------=_Part_220_14327460.1068554459531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_Part_220_14327460.1068554459531 Content-Type: message/rfc822; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> Received: from ms-mta-02 (ms-mta-02-mss [10.24.10.6]) by ms-mss-03.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <[email protected]> for candywagner%[email protected]; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from vamx03.mgw.rr.com (vamx03.mgw.rr.com [24.28.193.149]) by ms-mta-02.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <[email protected]> for [email protected] (ORCPT [email protected]); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.adelphia.net (mta1.adelphia.net [68.168.78.175]) by vamx03.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAAEQvOP025278 for <[email protected]>; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.54.176.25]) by mta1.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <[email protected]> for <[email protected]>; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:30:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:28:34 -0500 From: "Marsha H. Moses" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Evan THOMAS Nathaniel THOMAS and Lewis THOMAS To: Candy <[email protected]> Reply-to: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine References: <[email protected]> Original-recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Thanks, Candy for the below. I have looked at both books before....I will reread what you have sent as soon as I can....but I have a busy two days-- today and tomorrow. The last time that I was looking at the books that you mention below, I think that I remember that I began suspecting that I descend from the Edward Thomas who is mentioned in your #7 note below. Why did I think that? As I recall the following clues came to me: Edward's wife's name was Sarah. My Sarah Thomas McKinsey (Sarah is my brick wall) could possibly have been named after a mother.... I have found Edward's land in SC living among the following Thomas men: Nehemiah, Thomas, Isaac and Timothy. There are also many Quaker names that I recognize. I would be happy to send those names along if it would be helpful. I believe that Edward sold his land and moved to the area near Guilford County, NC again among Quaker families there. I believe that Edward had a son named Edward as he is mentioned in Nehemiah Thomas's will. I think that it is quite possible that Sarah had married George McKinsey by the time that Edward and his family moved to NC and thus stayed behind in SC. Sarah died before the rest of the family moved to Warren County, OHio in the mass migration of the Quakers out of the south and into Ohio and Indiana in the first decade of the 1800's. But the fact that George and Sarah Thomas McKinsey remained extremely close to the childless couple, Nehemiah and Abigail Thomas and by the fact that Abigail is called aunt-in-law in her will when she leaves everything to George and his children in Ohio (she was living on land that she had bought from George at the time)....makes me think that Nehemiah is a brother to Sarah. Some of this information is fact--based on documentation....some of it is wild guesses that I am making. When I get more time, if you would like more precise information, I'll try to clean this paragraph up so that you will see what is documented fact and what is speculation. Sorry, that's all the time that I have this morning. Thanks a million for taking the time to send along all of the below! You are welcome to post anything that is helpful from my e-mail to the Thomas list. I just feel as if my undocumented information is not that helpful to archive....I have posted more than once questions looking for someone who descends from either of the two Edwards in NC and recieved no response. Marsha in WV Candy wrote: > > I am descended from the THOMAS family in Frederick VA, whom I believe is the > same as the Evan THOMAS family everyone is talking about. I can share the > following two excerpts on the family of Evan THOMAS, in hopes someone might > make a connection (and perhaps help me make a connection!). Please copy all > replies to the list, the more we share the more we know: > 1. Historical Records of Old Frederick and Hampshire Counties, Virginia > (Revised)" by Wilmer L. Kerns, Ph.D. > p. 357 "Evan THOMAS was born in Wales circa 1685 and died in Frederick > County, Va. on 'the 4th day of the second month 1755, aged about seventy > years.' * Born into the Church of England, Evan later became a Quaker > convert and minister. His former house still stands along US Route 11 just > north of Winchester Va." > The quote is appparently footnoted, but I only have a few pages of the book > and no footnotes unfortunately. > > 2. Evan's relationship to Lewis THOMAS (my ancestor) is pure speculation > based on the following facts from "Pioneers of Old Frederick Co. VA" by > Cecil O'Dell, but the facts in this book are very well documented and > detailed on the early Evan THOMAS family and their land records, and may > help someone. There is a bit of info about the John Smith and John Hardin > lines intermixed as they marry into my Lewis THOMAS family, but keep reading > for the THOMAS details: > 1. John Hardin is first recorded in Orange Co. VA on 11-22-1740 when he > purchases 380 acres of land from Nathaniel THOMAS. John Hardin and > Nathaniel THOMAS share tract 55, Map no. 7 (Winchester area to Opechon > Creek). > 2. John above executed the carpentry and joyner's work on the 12 foot > square log Court House for Frederick County. > 3. He sold this land, bought another tract, sold it to Thomas Ashby, then > bought 285 acres of William Vestal's patent land in partnership with George > Johnston who also had land dealings with Lewis THOMAS. > 4. John Hardin and wife Catherine sold this land and moved to Hampshire Co > VA by 5-7-1765. By 1773 he has moved to Bedford Co. PA (40 miles north) > where he received his Fairfax grant for 100 acres on Patterson Creek. His > son John Hardin Jr. received a Fairfax grant also surveyed for Mark Hardin. > By virtue of 1 through 5 above, I place this John Hardin as husband of > Catherine Marr, and father of Mary Hardin who marries Owen THOMAS, son of > Lewis THOMAS. > In this history there are also many references to William Penn and the > Quaker beginnings of PA, Goshen Twp., Chester Co PA and Hopewell Meeting > House in Frederick VA. This is relayed as background for the following. > 6. John Smith of Cecil County Maryland and wife Jane, with daughter Jane > Jr.(?) were witnesses at a wedding on the 11th of Dec. 1735 at their public > meeting at Hopewell in Orange Co VA. John and Jane were both Quakers and > are mentioned in the Chester Monthly Meeting Minutes. John Smith after > selling his land in Cecil Co MD buys land in the Opequon Creek area and > lives near John Hardin on Tract 11 Map 4. > 7. John Smith Jr inherits this land from his father, and sells it to an > Edward THOMAS. John Smith and Edward have several land transactions between > them. Edward THOMAS and wife Sarah sell this land in addition to their own > Fairfax grant and move eventually to S. Carolina. > 8. Evan THOMAS was born in Wales c. 1685 and came to Philadelphia Co. PA > abt. 1719. He and his wife Catherine moved to Goshen Monthly Meeting in > Chester Co. PA. abt. 1724. Sometime before 10-18-1734 and after 1726, Evan > moves to VA to the Frederick Co. land which John Hardin and John Smith are > living on on 1040 acres on west side of Opechon. On 12 Nov 1735 he > receives a patent from the Colony for 1014 acres (Tract 63 Map 4). This > land is located in Frederick Co VA on Turkey Run (a branch of Opequon > Creek). > 9. Evan THOMAS dies by 4-1-1755 when his will is proved. He lists sons > Evan Jr., John, Thomas and Enos, and daughter Martha. Evan is known to have > other children not listed in the will, a daughter Mary for certain who > marries John Hiatt Jr. > 10. This Enos THOMAS is the Enos who marries Rachel. He inherits a portion > of his father's land in Frederick. He and wife Rachel have children > Catherine, Evan, and Phebe. He dies on 23 March 1763. > 11. John THOMAS, son of Evan also inherits a portion of the land. His wife > is named Else. They sell their land and move to North Carolina. > 12. Lewis THOMAS is first mentioned in the records on 23 April 1734. He is > living in Orange County. He purchases land from Josh Hite (Tract 90 Map 4). > Lewis then sells the land to George Johnston (see John Hardin above also > deals with George Johnston) who then sells it to Geo. Washington. This land > is on the North Fork (Tract 90B) > 13. Lewis THOMAS mortgages horses and cattle to John Smith on Aug 4 1746. > 14. On 8 Jan 1752, an Owen THOMAS listed as son of Lewis THOMAS receives a > Fairfax grant for 400 acres adjacent Capt. George Johnston and Benjamin > Grub, surveryed by Mr. George Washington. This land is adjacent west of > Tract 76 Map 3, and adjacent south of Lewis THOMAS Tract 90A Map 4. Owen > and Mary have sold all of their land by 7 Aug. 1771. > 15. An Owen THOMAS is described as deceased in Orange Co. NC by April 1769 > with wife Mary and six small children. Listed children: Hester, Joana, > Lewis, Jonathon, John, Elizabeth and older sons William, James, George and > Mikle, older daughters Mary Hood and Ann Wicks. Connection is not made to > previous Owen, unknown. > 16. On 24 Oct 1735 Isaac THOMAS had 200 acres surveyed and received a > Fairfax grant on 9 May 1752. This land is located on Back Creek at the > mouth of Isaac's Creek, which was named for THOMAS (Tract 196, Map 5) Isaac > was in Orange Co VA by 10-19-1736 when he was paid by the Court for one wolf > head, certified by Josh Hite. > 17. Nathaniel THOMAS b. c. 1710 received a patent for 380 acre tract from > the Colony on 12 Nov. 1735. This land was located on Redbud Run a branch of > the Opequon Creek. (Tract 55, Map 7). On 22 Nov 1755 Nathaniel sells this > land to John Hardin for 42 pounds. He moves to another tract of 850 acres, > Tract 147A Map 8. This land is near the head of the Opequon Creek on > Frederick Co. Highway 622 present day near Winchester VA. He also buys land > from Josh Hite and receives Fairfax grants. He is deceased by March 1 1763 > when his will is proved in Frederick court. He lists as sons Isaac and > Jonathon, daughters Catherine Emrey, Rachel, Elizabeth and Mary THOMAS. > > Candy Wagner > Thomas, Hardin, Cain, Witten, Cecil, Stuteville, Clements, Boarman, Nave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha H. Moses [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [THOMAS] William, son of Evan THOMAS > > Do we have anyone on our list who is a documented descendent of the > Evan Thomas that I mention below? > > Well, I'm adicted, too....when you start talking about Evan Thomas's, > you get my attention. My Brick wall on my Thomas line is Sarah Thomas > who marries George McKinsey--probably in SC some time before 1781. I > have tried over and over to prove that she is descended from the Evan > Thomas who is born circa 1691 who we see moving to Hopewell Monthly > meeting with his family [and with Alexander Ross and others (including a > Nathaniel Thomas)] in Frederick County, Virginia about 1730. I do not > have a proven relationship with this man....so my research is not as > extensive as someone who actually knows for sure that they > descend....but just in my data base I find a son named Evan Thomas and > a grandson named Evan Thomas. And there is no doubt that the family > spread down into the south in the next generations as the ones that I > have are in SC...Some of the line remained in SC....some moved north to > Ohio and Indiana with the mass migration of the Quakers out of the south > in the first decade of the 1800's. > > OK remember that these are my theories....do not take them for gospel. > And it seem to me that the big problem is that the records burned in > Hopewell about the time we should have records for these people. > > But certainly I suspect that the Evan Thomases below may have had a > (?gr)-grandfather named Evan. And the born in Virginia only supports my > hypothesis. > > Marsha in WV > > > > > Oh hey, look, 3 Evan Thomases in 1850 TN, at ancestry.com. I wonder which > is > > about age 35? And is his papa close by ... I can't help it, I'm addicted. > Well, > > didn't see him in KY, but one of those Evans was age 60 and born VA. > > > > Kaye in Texas > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html ------=_Part_220_14327460.1068554459531--