Somehow I never got Sam Thomas' message in my Thomas List digest, so I'll try to cover both messages in this one. 1. Isham Thomas and Emeline Wiggins marriage - The Randolph County. GA, records list this marriage twice: Isham Thomas & Emeline Wiggins - 7/10/1838 Isham Thompson & Emeline Wiggins - 7/10/1838 Evidently there is a question as to if the groom is a Thomas or a Thompson. Both surnames are in the 1840 census for the county, but only Thompson in the 1830 census. I have not pulled the original marriage record to try to decipher it myself, so I guess the question will remain. However, I think it is moot regarding Isham J. and Ivey A. Thomas as they almost certainly are not from that marriage even if it was my Isham. (see #3). 2. The Isham Thomas and kin I am referring to are "white" on the available records. 3. Isham J. Thomas and Ivey A. Thomas - These two are listed at the end of the Isham B. Thomas household on the 1860 Alachua County, FL, census and clearly out of order with the children of Isham B. and Mary. This indicates they are not Isham B.' children and merely people living there as was the other household member, William Hagler. Additionally, I have established that Ivey A.'s father was William M. Thomas of Madison County, FL, and Ivey was born there in 1840. Fortunately, there was a will in this case. Isham J. 's birth info is shown as 1844 in Tatnall County, GA on his Florida Confederate Pension Application. His father is listed as "William" on Isham J.'s death certificate and Isham J.'s birth information is again shown as 1844 in Tatnall County, GA.. The two fathers (William) do not *appear* to be the same person. Ivey's father's will specified his sons Ivey and William (yes, another William!) and made no mention of any other offspring. I also suspect that Isham J. and Ivey A. are probably related (nephews?) to Isham B. and joined him when he moved to Alachua County, FL, in 1850-51. But I have not been able to find out how. 4. Isham B. Thomas - date and place of birth The conflicting 1850 (Lowndes Co., GA) and 1860 (Alachua Co., FL) census information as to his birth date is further compounded by his tombstone. The tombstone shows he died December 18, 1868 at the age of 65 years, making his birth in about 1803. I suppose all that proves is that we have not 2 but now 3 notoriously unreliable sources showing his year of birth as 1815, 1812 and 1803 respectively. However, I suspect the time range is probably close. Isham B.'s place of birth is really up in the air. It is shown as Georgia on the census records. I have no documentation or even semi-firm additional evidence beyond that. Bulloch County, GA, is suspected only because of a real estate transaction there on June 6. 1835 giving land to his sister. That is the earliest record I have of him. The conveyance was for "good will, love and affection" (looks like a quit claim situation). His sister, Mary Odom, was married at the time of the conveyance. Mary Thomas was married in 1817 to James Odom in Bulloch County and her first surviving child was born in 1826. I'm guessing she was probably born around 1800 or so. If I had to bet, I would guess Isham B. was born closer to 1803 than 1815. There is also a son of Isham B. named George Bulloch Thomas. May or may not mean anything. Also, I do not know what the "B" in Isham B.'s name stands for. There is another researcher who believes Isham B. was born in Decatur County, GA, but I have not been able to contact her to evaluate her source(s). Her email is no longer valid. Maybe she will read this list! I agree with Sam that there are obviously two Isham Thomases in Georgia before 1835 and another (Isham J.) after 1844. Related? Probably. But as they say, the devil is in the details. It looks like Isham B. bounced all over the state: Bulloch County (east side) to Decatur County (west side) to Lowndes County (middle) and finally south to Alachua County, FL. that I know of. Isham B. wasn't afraid of moving, so it is entirely possible that the Franklin County (extreme northeast GA) Isham could be part of the footloose family. Again, what I have on these folks is online at http://www.thomasgenealogy.net so I won't repeat it all again here. Jeff Thomas On 12 Oct 2003 at 7:19, K Powell wrote: Date sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: K Powell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [THOMAS] Re: Isham B THOMAS Another thing or few. Apparently there were a *lot* of black Isham Thomases in GA early 1800s and then again later in the Alachua County FL. Another bit of lore I picked up (commonsense historically) for the couple I researched for my niece was made plain in the father's will - bequesting slaves and livestock. Those 2 young men mentioned at the end of the Isham B Thomas 1860 census, Isham and Ivey (name it looked like to me) may possibly have been mulatto slaves or even by an indian mother. By their ages my 1st instinct is to take them as sons or at least nephews of Isham. I gave a cursory, quick shot at trying to find them on 1850 under surnames Thomas and Wiggins, no luck. I'd thought maybe if their mother died, her parents or siblings took on those 2 boys while the papa got re-married and settled. I did not look for Wiggins outside of GA to AL AR MS, the next moves on the migration route from that time/place. At ancestry.com/rootsweb's family trees, I wasn't much surprised to find that Ishams also pop up in NC and VA, the beginning of the route. --- Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > APPLES & ORANGES ... apples in North Georgia ... oranges in Florida. > > DECATUR CO, GA and FRANKLIN CO., GA are at opposite ends and side of the > states, SOUTHWEST and NORTHEAST, respectively. > > We have established that ISHAM B. THOMAS was born between 1812 - 1815, as > evidenced by the 1850 & 1860 U.S. Federal Census. > > ISHAM THOMAS on the 1801 TAX LIST was a head of household, at least 18 years > old & born before 1793, and in north Georgia. He may have been the father of > your ISHAM B. THOMAS ... maybe! But there were CLEARLY two different ISHAM > THOMASes in Georgia between 1801 and 1850. > > So, if your ISHAM was born between 1812 - 1815, where was he born? He is > clearly not in BULLOCH CO. on the 1830 Census at the age of 15 - 18 years > old. So. let's have a look at the Census for all counties on a line from > Franklin Co. to Lowndes Co. Do you know with CERTAINTY ... not guess work > ... that he was born in BULLOCH CO., GA? He might have been on the 1820 > Census under a household at age 5 - 8 years old in Bulloch Co., GA. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Powell" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Isham B THOMAS > > > ancestry.com Georgia Marriages to 1850 > > > > Randolph County Georgia Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1838 > > Thomas Wiggins, Isham Emeline > > Spouse: Thomas, Isham > > Wiggins, Emeline > > > > Decatur County Georgia Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1846 > > Thomas Ulmer, Isham Mary > > Spouse: Thomas, Isham > > Ulmer, Mary > > > > Georgia Census, 1790-1890 (and who is this, 1801 - papa?) > > > > THOMAS, ISHAM > > State: GA Year: 1801 > > County: Franklin County Record Type: Tax List > > Township: Tax List 1801 Page: 004 > > Database: GA 1792-1819 Tax Lists Index > > > > THOMAS, ISHAM B. > > State: GA Year: 1850 > > County: Lowndes County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > > Township: 53rd Division Page: 385 > > Database: GA 1850 Federal Census Index > > > > 1860 census has these 2: > > THOMAS, ISHAM B. > > State: FL Year: 1860 > > County: Alachua County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > > Township: Division 17 Page: 087 > > Database: FL 1860 Federal Census Index > > (also, next page, following the younger children) > > THOMAS, ISHAM on Page: 088 > > *which may mean that Isham b abt 1843 and Ivey abt 1842 may be Emeline > Wiggins' > > sons. These 2 were not on the 1850 census with Isham and Mary. > > > > Kaye in Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ______________________________