Mandy, You've described my experience with my Thomas line DNA, too. My donor have a scant match to only one other Thomas. Our others & only close matches are to the surnames Crow, Mangum & Bird/Byrd. We also have a family tradition of American Indian heritage through our Thomas'. Our Haplogroup was determined to be G2 ... not indicative of American Indian heritage or least not through the Thomas males. Carole Thomas Kane On Apr 16, 2007, at 5:19 PM, MandyPerro@aol.com wrote: > Tom > > Are you saying that your Thomas DNA comes back linked to another > surname? > If so, that is exactly what happened to us. We came back identical > to FOX. > Long way from Thomas. Our only match-up is a known ancestor--no other > matches--nothing even close. > > I am about to think that my ggg grandfather hid out in the caves > during the > trail of tears, then re-surfaced when he thought the coast was clear. > > Mandy > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mandy: I'm not Tom, but yes, the Thomas DNA is linked to many other names. This is what surprised us as well, in the beginning. This is a very complicated study of the human being and the origin of man. It is a SCIENTIFIC study and deviates from the religious theory and so is not believed by many. However, even the scientists have a problem with its complexities sometimes. If you really want to get a hint of how it works, we found a terrific CD/DVD that clarified some of the mysteries, and gave us a better understanding of it. It was called "The Journey of Man". We can't remember the author, but it is also in book form. (Both were loaned to us and so I can't go look it up) The blood lines go back to thousands of years before there were surnames. The markers denote true blood lines to one another, by coded numbers, but sometimes with a few mutations along the way. One can have the same ancestor linked to another person, but this might be ten generations apart or even 50 or more generations. Google DNA results or ancestry and see what you come up with. There is much on-line, but none clarified it nearly as well for us as the above. Ask your local library if they have a copy to borrow. We found one in the Thomas DNA List who traces back to my husband's same ancestor who fought in the Revolution. I think it's 7 or 8 generations back. He was/is a Thomas, but there are others. My husband has the exact same markers as a man who can trace his lineage back to Robert the Bruce in Scotland. Other exact markers go back to Finland, Germany, Switzerland, etc. as was said in my previous post. Daisy

Tom Are you saying that your Thomas DNA comes back linked to another surname? If so, that is exactly what happened to us. We come back identical to FOX. Long way from Thomas. Our only match-up is a known ancestor--no there matches--nothing even close. I am about to think that my ggg grandfather hid out in the caves during the trail of tears, then re-surfaced when he thought the coast was clear. Mandy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Daisy, I have also done the DNA test and I am on the Thomas project list. Oddly enough, the best matches for me come from people surnamed Walters/Waters. This could be one of those stories with a surprise ending for me. Meanwhile, I keep searching for the Thomas roots. I just received this link from a researcher in Wales. It is a listing of persons in Parishes in and around Pembroke in 1670 gathered for purposes of assessing a hearth tax. As you will see, there are lots of Thomas surnames. If I only knew the name of Rees Thomas' father it might be useful to me. Anyway, maybe this is helpful to you or others. I have not looked around at the full genebooks.com site yet. http://www.genebooks.com/pembroke/hearth1670/ Tom >From: fred e thomas <Daisythomas@compuserve.com> >Reply-To: thomas@rootsweb.com >To: "thomas@rootsweb.com" <thomas@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Thomas named Rees >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:19:33 -0400 > > >Tom: > >I have the same problem. My husband's immigrant? ancestor, James Thomas, >first shows up in his wife's father's distribution of estate in 1666 in NH. > We're guessing he was born ca 1640-45. There is nothing to be found in >any of the earlier records. We don't know if he was born in this country >or immigrated with family or ???? We've been searching for more than 30 >years. I was told it would be next to impossible to trace him in Wales, >UNLESS I knew the specific parish/area he came from. We don't even know >for sure if he is Welsh, but that is what my father-in-law was told and is >the family tradition in a couple of other lines. > >My Husband took the DNA test hoping to find clues. So far he's determined >that he's related to people in Scotland, Finland, Germany, and ??? No one >from Wales so far. We continue to search for him though..... > >There was a Rees Thomas who was in Wells, Maine in the mid-1600s as well. >Kept thinking there was a tie, but if there was they were not associating >with one another. Nothing in wills, deeds or other important papers on >either man shows ties, though there was one minor court case between them >that didn't amount to anything I guess, since there was no follow-up on the >original that I could find. (Rees owed James money, and apparently paid >the debt) As far as I can find, Rees only had daughters and there was no >interaction with our James through them or their husbands either. > >I have a theory that our James was one of Cromwell's prisoners from their >Civil War and was transported over here to get rid of him. (probably a >real rabble-rouser) Unfortunately, not all prisoners were named in the >lists. Our James is one of those mentioned after several names that ends >in "and others"..... [grrrrr]. > >Daisy > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE

In a message dated 4/15/2007 3:22:15 PM Central Daylight Time, braydon29@kc.rr.com writes: > I am curious about the fact that many Thomas families have a son named Rees > > or Reese or Reece. > > Is there some way to know where this comes from?? > I have run into the same situation. When I discovered that Rees was not part of my lineage, I stopped searching, but I wondered at the time if Reese/Rees might not have been the maiden name of his mother. You'd need a birth certificate or marriage license to document the relationship first. good luck! Kasha ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Rhys is still a very common forename in Wales, as is THOMAS a fairly common surname and so there are probably many Rhys Thomas's walking the streets today - and the 'ap' format is still alive and kicking although rare these days! I am sure I read somewhere (perhaps on a demographics site) that most Thomas's in Wales originated in Glamorgan, and until fairly recently that is where the majority of them still resided. My THOMAS family are from the Gower, in Mid Glamorgan. Usually the name changes when it has formed into a surname - Reece Rice etc. Emma Monmouth/Trefynwy (Wales)

My grandfather is Rice Thomas, 1883-1966. He was born in Laurel County, KY and died in Russell County, VA. Fred South Walterboro, SC ----- Original Message ---- From: Kirk & Emma <ty.copyn@virgin.net> To: thomas@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:19:25 AM Subject: [THOMAS] Rhys THOMAS Rhys is still a very common forename in Wales, as is THOMAS a fairly common surname and so there are probably many Rhys Thomas's walking the streets today - and the 'ap' format is still alive and kicking although rare these days! I am sure I read somewhere (perhaps on a demographics site) that most Thomas's in Wales originated in Glamorgan, and until fairly recently that is where the majority of them still resided. My THOMAS family are from the Gower, in Mid Glamorgan. Usually the name changes when it has formed into a surname - Reece Rice etc. Emma Monmouth/Trefynwy (Wales) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am new to this list and am hoping there might be a connection to my Catherine Thomas b. abt 1803 in NC and Married abt 1823 or 4 James Adams b. 1799 NC. They had 3 children in NC 1. John Quincy Adams b. 1825 in NC 2. Samuel Madison Adams b. 1826 NC 3. Barsheba Adams b. 1831 in NC the rest were born in Ray County MO. 4. Mary Jane Adams b. 1835 5. Benjamin Franklin Adams b. 1839 6. Cleopatra Ann Adams b. 27 Aug 1841 7. Henry Clay Adams b. 1843 8. George Washington Adams b. 20 Feb 1847. I have a lot of information on these folks, I am trying to find Catherine Thomas' parents and James Adams parents in NC. Any help would be thrilling! Rose in CA.

Tom: I have the same problem. My husband's immigrant? ancestor, James Thomas, first shows up in his wife's father's distribution of estate in 1666 in NH. We're guessing he was born ca 1640-45. There is nothing to be found in any of the earlier records. We don't know if he was born in this country or immigrated with family or ???? We've been searching for more than 30 years. I was told it would be next to impossible to trace him in Wales, UNLESS I knew the specific parish/area he came from. We don't even know for sure if he is Welsh, but that is what my father-in-law was told and is the family tradition in a couple of other lines. My Husband took the DNA test hoping to find clues. So far he's determined that he's related to people in Scotland, Finland, Germany, and ??? No one from Wales so far. We continue to search for him though..... There was a Rees Thomas who was in Wells, Maine in the mid-1600s as well. Kept thinking there was a tie, but if there was they were not associating with one another. Nothing in wills, deeds or other important papers on either man shows ties, though there was one minor court case between them that didn't amount to anything I guess, since there was no follow-up on the original that I could find. (Rees owed James money, and apparently paid the debt) As far as I can find, Rees only had daughters and there was no interaction with our James through them or their husbands either. I have a theory that our James was one of Cromwell's prisoners from their Civil War and was transported over here to get rid of him. (probably a real rabble-rouser) Unfortunately, not all prisoners were named in the lists. Our James is one of those mentioned after several names that ends in "and others"..... [grrrrr]. Daisy

Donna: Rees/Reese/Reece is a derivative, I believe, of Rhys. Also Rice may came from that. There is an ancient male figure in Welsh History called Rhys ap Thomas, who may have been the originator of the name in Wales, but don't make me swear an oath to that statement. Said to have slain the vicious Richard the Lionhart.... Rhys ap ??? was/is a common Welsh name, or so I've been told, tho the ap (meaning son/of has long disappeared) Please, do not inundate me with Welsh history, so I know next to nothing about it. (I German) This is just something passed down to me. Daisy

Thanks, I remember the book Sir Rhys ap Thomas, and his multitude of descendants Donna Bray Braydon29@kc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "fred e thomas" <Daisythomas@compuserve.com> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] THOMAS of Eglwysilan parish / Web-site > > > Donna: > > Rees/Reese/Reece is a derivative, I believe, of Rhys. Also Rice may came > from that. There is an ancient male figure in Welsh History called Rhys > ap > Thomas, who may have been the originator of the name in Wales, but don't > make me swear an oath to that statement. Said to have slain the vicious > Richard the Lionhart.... Rhys ap ??? was/is a common Welsh name, or so > I've been told, tho the ap (meaning son/of has long disappeared) > > Please, do not inundate me with Welsh history, so I know next to nothing > about it. (I German) This is just something passed down to me. > > > Daisy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: Eglwysilan parish Where is this? In the USA?? In some foreign country???? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Donna, My 6th great grandfather was a Rees Thomas born in Pembroke, Wales in 1690 according to his family bible. He moved to the colonies in the early 1700s. There is superb detail on this family line in a Rootsweb page assembled by Rev. Christos Christou Jr. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=christos&id=I757 I would love to find more about Rees and his family in Wales, but I am told that there is little available info from that far back. Tom Thomas tsquizzled@msn.com >From: "Donna Bray" <braydon29@kc.rr.com> >Reply-To: thomas@rootsweb.com >To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] THOMAS of Eglwysilan parish / Web-site >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:06 -0500 > >I am curious about the fact that many Thomas families have a son named Rees >or Reese or Reece. > >Is there some way to know where this comes from?? > > >Donna Bray >Braydon29@kc.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: <RonLThomas@aol.com> >To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:38 PM >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] THOMAS of Eglwysilan parish / Web-site > > > > > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ > > > > > > > > Jo, I thoroughly enjoyed reading through your web site. It is very >well > > done. There may be a connection between our Thomas families through the > > Rees? My > > Thomas Thomas, born 1824, married Hannah Rees in Landybie, > > Carmarthenshire, > > Wales in Jan. 1842. This family emigrated to Wilkes-Barre, Pa in 1849 > > from > > Mountain Ash, Wales. Hannah Rees, born 1820, is the eldest daughter of > > Wyrewood and Sarah Rees. Hannah has six siblings: Wyrewood, Sarah, >Rees, > > William, > > Mary and Rachel all born from 1822 to 1834. > > > > I don't see a connection, but we are close with the Thomas' and Rees'. > > > > Take Care, Ron > > > > Ron L Thomas > > > > 440 892-4344 H; 440 667-4421 C > > RonLThomas@aol.com > > > > 31084 Riviera Lane > > Westlake, OH 44145 > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=CF83+4BH&title=Eglwysilan+Parish+Church+&+St+Peters+Church+Senghenydd&scale=25000 MARINELLRE@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > Eglwysilan parish > > > Where is this? > In the USA?? > In some foreign country???? > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I don't see a connection. Take Care, Ron Ron L Thomas 440 892-4344 H; 440 667-4421 C RonLThomas@aol.com 31084 Riviera Lane Westlake, OH 44145 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am curious about the fact that many Thomas families have a son named Rees or Reese or Reece. Is there some way to know where this comes from?? Donna Bray Braydon29@kc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonLThomas@aol.com> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] THOMAS of Eglwysilan parish / Web-site > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ > > > > Jo, I thoroughly enjoyed reading through your web site. It is very well > done. There may be a connection between our Thomas families through the > Rees? My > Thomas Thomas, born 1824, married Hannah Rees in Landybie, > Carmarthenshire, > Wales in Jan. 1842. This family emigrated to Wilkes-Barre, Pa in 1849 > from > Mountain Ash, Wales. Hannah Rees, born 1820, is the eldest daughter of > Wyrewood and Sarah Rees. Hannah has six siblings: Wyrewood, Sarah, Rees, > William, > Mary and Rachel all born from 1822 to 1834. > > I don't see a connection, but we are close with the Thomas' and Rees'. > > Take Care, Ron > > Ron L Thomas > > 440 892-4344 H; 440 667-4421 C > RonLThomas@aol.com > > 31084 Riviera Lane > Westlake, OH 44145 > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ Jo, I thoroughly enjoyed reading through your web site. It is very well done. There may be a connection between our Thomas families through the Rees? My Thomas Thomas, born 1824, married Hannah Rees in Landybie, Carmarthenshire, Wales in Jan. 1842. This family emigrated to Wilkes-Barre, Pa in 1849 from Mountain Ash, Wales. Hannah Rees, born 1820, is the eldest daughter of Wyrewood and Sarah Rees. Hannah has six siblings: Wyrewood, Sarah, Rees, William, Mary and Rachel all born from 1822 to 1834. I don't see a connection, but we are close with the Thomas' and Rees'. Take Care, Ron Ron L Thomas 440 892-4344 H; 440 667-4421 C RonLThomas@aol.com 31084 Riviera Lane Westlake, OH 44145 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

My Thomas folks came to Clearfield Co from Union -Snyder Co in eastern Pa. They are my grandad Abe, s/o James Harrison, s/o John, s/o Johann. John was born18/06/1818 in Union Co. I have a copy of his baptismal certificate. Very ornate and written in German. He married Susanna Bilger. They lived in Bloom Twp. Clfd Co. PA. He died03/05/1904. John's mother was Maria Hagenburg. Ring any bells? Thanks and God Bless RonLThomas@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:58:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk writes: http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ Jo, I thoroughly enjoyed reading through your web site. It is very well done. There may be a connection between our Thomas families through the Rees? My Thomas Thomas, born 1824, married Hannah Rees in Landybie, Carmarthenshire, Wales in Jan. 1842. This family emigrated to Wilkes-Barre, Pa in 1849 from Mountain Ash, Wales. Hannah Rees, born 1820, is the eldest daughter of Wyrewood and Sarah Rees. Hannah has six siblings: Wyrewood, Sarah, Rees, William, Mary and Rachel all born from 1822 to 1834. I don't see a connection, but we are close with the Thomas' and Rees'. Take Care, Ron Ron L Thomas 440 892-4344 H; 440 667-4421 C RonLThomas@aol.com 31084 Riviera Lane Westlake, OH 44145 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Hi all, I've just put up a bit about the three THOMAS families (ok, 2 and a half) that I have information on that resided for some time in Eglwysilan parish, if anyone is interested. I've also done a bit on the related family of SANSOMs, originally from Horsley in Gloucestershire. If you find any mistakes, glaring errors or even like it, please let me know! Regards, Jo Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Donna, in the 1860 & 1870 census they were located in Claiborne County TN, William was born in VA, Alameeda was born in KY. Their son Joseph P. Thomas was my g-grandfather (maternal). thanks John H. Crabtree -----Original Message----- From: thomas-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:thomas-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Donna Bray Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:17 AM To: thomas@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [THOMAS] William Thomas John, do you have a location for this Thomas familiy?? Donna Bray Braydon29@kc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Crabtree" <johncrabtree1@comcast.net> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: [THOMAS] William Thomas > I'm having difficulty determining the parents of William Thomas B: @ 1837 > M: Alameeda (I think her last name was Sowder. I located a marrage on May > 8, 1858 for William THomas and A. Sowder. Are there others who have > identified and/or researching this line? Any assisitance would be > appreciated. > > John H. Crabtree > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message