Sharon, You look for other males that are from other locations on your family tree that might be representative of your family. It is not a secret that Leslie Thomas had her husband tested and that he goes back to the Thomas line in what is now Mitchell County, NC. I know from looking at the Thomas DNA Results that he and two other men connect back to my oldest known Thomas Ancestor. I have over the years exchanged research with Leslie and I am very comfortable that their family tree is connected to my tree as well as I know the connection. For my purposes he is close enough for me to be happy with his genetic signature besides there are two others that confirm the line and they are from other spots on the tree that are far enough away for me to be even happier. It is always a comforting feeling in DNA testing when you see the confirmation that is spread out and not grandfather, father and son - that proves nothing than the 3 are really related and to see what type of mutations may have happened. It is really upsetting to be in charge of a project and the results come back not as expected - I have two brothers that are not just different DNA's they are different Haplogroups. This is why you desire DNA confirmations from different spots on the tree. I would like to see some of the Thomas line from VA to also be tested. I need some that marry into the Lewis line as in the Fielding Lewis line. I think I have the Thomas group on my father's side in Albemarle County, Virginia before they are in Kentucky and then die in Clarksville, Montgomery County, Tennessee. I have not looked to see who all has been tested but I will say that the Thomas Project has done much better at sharing the lines and the results than I have done with the Silver and Cowan Projects. Now sometimes the people in the project are not as open with their research as you would like, but many times the project administrator can tell you if a line is hidden within the results. So go look for males that are from lines above your grandparents. I find that many times people forget to look farther out on the tree when their line has daughtered out. Laura At 11:05 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: >I've sort of been following the DNA testing that has been going on and now >have some questions. >(1) What do all the numbers mean in the chart? (2) My grandparents had no >male heirs, therefore, we don't have any men who can be tested. How do I >find out if we are related to any of those who have participated in the >testing? (3) Just an observation here: I noticied on the list of >participants that none of them had Thomas' ending up in Virginia. As a >result of the participants listed, how do I find out if I am related to >them in any way? Their pedigrees ended everywhere but in VA. > >Thanks, >Sharon > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN lauracowancooper@comcast.net

My father's DNA matched with someone in Australia! Of all places, who knew where in Ireland his ancestor was likely from. Now we have pooled resources to search for common threads. So don't give up. You may want to upload your results to YSearch.com - they take DNA testing from any source not just FamilyTreeDNA, and provide matching and surname information. -----Original Message----- From: thomas-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:thomas-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GNEOLOG@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:30 AM To: thomas@rootsweb.com Subject: [THOMAS] DNA match In a message dated 3/27/2008 2:12:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thomas-request@rootsweb.com writes: The 2nd test was for another Thomas family, not related to mine. So far in 4 years no one has matched him. but we are prepared to wait. Our paper trail here has run out. I had never heard of the person that my brother matched with but we were able to combine our trees which was so exciting. We now visit each other and talk frequently. He had his results sitting in Thomas DNA project FIVE YEARS waiting for a cousin. NEAT. Without DNA I never would have known of him or his family. Take care. Marilyn **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all of you who sent a message.I must confess I dont have a good relationship with computers & internet stuff,but I probably expected too much.Time will tell.Thanks again.Rory> From: rbethomas99@hotmail.com> To: thomas@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:54:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test> > > Hello Leslie,thank you for your message.Yes I did the test via the Thomas DNA project.Perhaps I expected too much from it.> From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:55:05 -0400> To: thomas@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test> > I am sorry to hear you had a negative result. Yes it does take a > scientist to understand all the scientific jargon. But it is > interesting no less. Inconclusive results just means not enough > people have done the tests for them to combine the results so that it > makes sense to you... it makes sense to them - which doesn't help you > I know.> > I gather you did not do the test through the THOMAS DNA project? > http://thomasdna.home.comcast.net/~thomasdna/ For many this test > has been a confirmation of the line that they descend from. Perhaps > you can still submit you results. You can compare your results with > others by clicking on the link "test results".> > You should have also gotten an email telling you who you conn!> ect to > and a log in code for the family tree dna website to connect to those > people.> > Leslie Thomas> V.P. Georgia Chapter of the Trail of Tears Association> Communication Chair GATOTA> President Gilmer County Historical Society> > 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his > branches?' --Doyle M Davis> > > > > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Rory Thomas wrote:> > > For general infomation.> I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some > expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally > inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific > jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject > in an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would > suggest to the authors that they produce future reports in what is > called "Plain English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from > it,even the suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an > unverified speculation.I do n!> ot recomend this test.> R.Thomas> ____________________________________> _____________________________> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it > now!> http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Explore the seven wonders of the world> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

Hello Leslie,thank you for your message.Yes I did the test via the Thomas DNA project.Perhaps I expected too much from it.> From: aeriehollow@ellijay.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:55:05 -0400> To: thomas@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test> > I am sorry to hear you had a negative result. Yes it does take a > scientist to understand all the scientific jargon. But it is > interesting no less. Inconclusive results just means not enough > people have done the tests for them to combine the results so that it > makes sense to you... it makes sense to them - which doesn't help you > I know.> > I gather you did not do the test through the THOMAS DNA project? > http://thomasdna.home.comcast.net/~thomasdna/ For many this test > has been a confirmation of the line that they descend from. Perhaps > you can still submit you results. You can compare your results with > others by clicking on the link "test results".> > You should have also gotten an email telling you who you connect to > and a log in code for the family tree dna website to connect to those > people.> > Leslie Thomas> V.P. Georgia Chapter of the Trail of Tears Association> Communication Chair GATOTA> President Gilmer County Historical Society> > 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his > branches?' --Doyle M Davis> > > > > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Rory Thomas wrote:> > > For general infomation.> I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some > expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally > inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific > jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject > in an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would > suggest to the authors that they produce future reports in what is > called "Plain English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from > it,even the suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an > unverified speculation.I do not recomend this test.> R.Thomas> _________________________________________________________________> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it > now!> http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

In a message dated 3/27/2008 2:12:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thomas-request@rootsweb.com writes: The 2nd test was for another Thomas family, not related to mine. So far in 4 years no one has matched him. but we are prepared to wait. Our paper trail here has run out. I had never heard of the person that my brother matched with but we were able to combine our trees which was so exciting. We now visit each other and talk frequently. He had his results sitting in Thomas DNA project FIVE YEARS waiting for a cousin. NEAT. Without DNA I never would have known of him or his family. Take care. Marilyn **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Rory, I am so sorry that you feel this way, but I can understand it. FTDNA is a very good company and you get the best information back from them - true it often causes more questions than it explains and can be very disappointing. It is a tool and a wise investment if you are a researcher. First you have the Genetic Signature at the highest level of your Thomas line and for another Thomas to be part of your line, they have to genetically match your results or be reasonable close. This is what you DNA looks line at 67 different places. Now, it may not match any one.........but with Haplogroup J2, I would think that you might be close to my line; however, same Haplogroups along with same surname does not mean a match. The DNA is deep ancestry that the modern world is using as a tool to help find connections for a time period that is within the say last 200 years to present. In the Cowan Surname Project, we have sorted a lot of men - we can't prove the paper trail but I can tell you that if your Genetic Signature does not match the line that you have been researching then you need to look else where. I have sawed off several branches off of well researched lines and taken their brothers with them since I could prove the brothers thanks to early court records. That doesn't mean that the line in question did not have a Samuel, Nathaniel or James BUT it was not this group of men with the same name. I have seen the answer as to why people can not connect their paper trail to other Cowan lines in the same area. The Wythe County, Virginia line looks like it should match the Russell County, Virgina group that were running around at the same time.What is worse is that the Russell County, Virginia group were living in Cowan's Fort and other areas around there while my personal Cooper line was getting themselves killed there. Then my husband's Wythe County, Virgina line was running around Russell County, Virginia at the same time but the genetic signature for both Cowan lines and both Cooper lines are not anywhere close as well as being different Haplogroups. All I managed to prove is that at the same period in time all four of these groups could have known each other and probably thought they were kin due to the common last names which is what started all the mixed up genealogies in the beginning. The other thing is that the testing told us why the paper trail can't be established in such a way that the researchers can get any where - they are not kin and we now know it genetically. Doesn't tell us much but it does tell us what Cowan lines not to try to connect together. Yes, the results are a little much and I am still missing a lot of pieces to the big picture so I accept that a lot of this is stuff that I have to accept that this is just the way it works and the way it works is why it is helpful in genealogy. To stop and think that your DNA sample is a representative sample of your father and your grandfather and his father all the way back until you run out of Thomas men is to me one of the neatest concepts around. When other Thomas men tested and were from my Thomas line it was the greatest gift that they could have given me. These Thomas men are last time I checked 3 in number and are close enough in my tree to make me happy. I have Thomas cousins that could be tested but these will work since I would rather have my Buchanan 1st cousin to be tested since he would be a representative sample of my mother's brother and my grandfather or I would rather have mt-DNA from my Aunt on my father's side since she would be a representative sample of the mt-DNA that my father carried since they are brother and sister. Suggestion to the Haplogroup does have some meaning since there are those that are not even suggested. I don't think that they suggest unless they are pretty sure that they are correct. I have just had a friend that is Italian get his results back and he knows his grandfather and grandmother immigrated from Italy but his Haplogroup was not anything I was expecting - he was Haplogroup Q and his mt-DNA was I. So what do we do now and he has no matches at all with his y-DNA. You now have a tool that says, you are my line this is the genetic signature you have to match. Do you have a male Thomas in your family that can be tested to see if we are kin since the paper trail points us in the right direction??? You really don't have to understand it to use it and no matter how much I study DNA, I find that I am missing the piece that will make all the hours I have devoted to trying to understand things turn on the light bulb. You genetically now know what the signature was for your male ancestors and all of your male descendents - we know that there are changes and there are sometime issues in our non-perfect world BUT in theory we know that your the DNA signature of Rory Thomas is a representative sample of the past, present and future of the Thomas men that are in a straight line in your family tree. I express it this way since I know that have other Thomas lines on my father's side that are probably not kin to the Thomas line on my mother's side. I don't think that you have wasted your money - you have lots of answers, we just don't understand all that we are being told and with more time, we will get more answers. The Thomas Project is a large active group and with more time and more testing we will get more answers along with more questions. Once again, I am sorry that you are disappointed, I know that my friend was beyond upset over his results and expressed very much what you have shared with the list. Thanks for taking the time to tell us your feelings on your testing. 67 markers is a large gift to us as researchers that have the Thomas surname in our heritage - Thomas is a more common name than some of the other surnames so you have to expect a lot of different non-related lines. Laura At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: >For general infomation. >I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some >expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally >inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific >jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject in >an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would suggest to >the authors that they produce future reports in what is called "Plain >English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from it,even the >suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an unverified speculation.I >do not recomend this test. >R.Thomas >_________________________________________________________________ >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN lauracowancooper@comcast.net

I have had two Thomas persons take the DNA test for the Thomas surname. One of them was a male cousin of mine. His results match several already on there, and I have had connections to previously unknown relatives. The 2nd test was for another Thomas family, not related to mine. So far in 4 years no one has matched him. but we are prepared to wait. Our paper trail here has run out. Donna Thomas Bray Donna Bray Braydon29@kc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Thomas" <aeriehollow@ellijay.com> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test >I am sorry to hear you had a negative result. Yes it does take a > scientist to understand all the scientific jargon. But it is > interesting no less. Inconclusive results just means not enough > people have done the tests for them to combine the results so that it > makes sense to you... it makes sense to them - which doesn't help you > I know. > > I gather you did not do the test through the THOMAS DNA project? > http://thomasdna.home.comcast.net/~thomasdna/ For many this test > has been a confirmation of the line that they descend from. Perhaps > you can still submit you results. You can compare your results with > others by clicking on the link "test results". > > You should have also gotten an email telling you who you connect to > and a log in code for the family tree dna website to connect to those > people. > > Leslie Thomas > V.P. Georgia Chapter of the Trail of Tears Association > Communication Chair GATOTA > President Gilmer County Historical Society > > 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his > branches?' --Doyle M Davis > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Rory Thomas wrote: > > > For general infomation. > I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some > expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally > inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific > jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject > in an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would > suggest to the authors that they produce future reports in what is > called "Plain English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from > it,even the suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an > unverified speculation.I do not recomend this test. > R.Thomas > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it > now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am sorry to hear you had a negative result. Yes it does take a scientist to understand all the scientific jargon. But it is interesting no less. Inconclusive results just means not enough people have done the tests for them to combine the results so that it makes sense to you... it makes sense to them - which doesn't help you I know. I gather you did not do the test through the THOMAS DNA project? http://thomasdna.home.comcast.net/~thomasdna/ For many this test has been a confirmation of the line that they descend from. Perhaps you can still submit you results. You can compare your results with others by clicking on the link "test results". You should have also gotten an email telling you who you connect to and a log in code for the family tree dna website to connect to those people. Leslie Thomas V.P. Georgia Chapter of the Trail of Tears Association Communication Chair GATOTA President Gilmer County Historical Society 'If man cares not for his roots, then how can he care for his branches?' --Doyle M Davis On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Rory Thomas wrote: For general infomation. I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject in an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would suggest to the authors that they produce future reports in what is called "Plain English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from it,even the suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an unverified speculation.I do not recomend this test. R.Thomas _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For general infomation. I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject in an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would suggest to the authors that they produce future reports in what is called "Plain English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from it,even the suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an unverified speculation.I do not recomend this test. R.Thomas _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

And there are black Swedes. Don't know much abt. them though. pat smith

And don't forget, many of the the Irishmen living in the western third of the island are descended from post-Ice Age folks who probably walked across the land bridge from Europe. It's certainly possible that they made it up from Iberia or southern "Celt lamd." The Viking and the Norman invasions only happened "recently." With each wave of invaders, the original dark-skinned, dark-haired folks were compacted even further to the west. But then my Scot-Irish ancestors from Ulster had dark hair as well. All the best, Bill Massey Lewisburg, TN **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Wanda, Offer to pay for the testing and see if they become more interested. It would sure answer the question as to is there an already tested Thomas line to give you some leads. At 11:15 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: >Virginia, I'm in Tri Cities WA. Hi! From what I've been reading on the >List, I don't think I connect to the same Thomas family, at least with >Kathleen or Sue - yet we never know. I'm dead ended with Reuben Thomas b >abt 1730/40, and he was in Washington Co VA about Rev War times. I've >always thought he was b. VA, but now I'm wondering if he could be from NC. >I need more research. > >I have a few male Thomas cousins who could do the DNA test, but so far, they >aren't interested. Will keep trying. It just takes one break to get things >rolling. > >Wanda > >On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Virginia <vdach@verizon.net> wrote: > > > I've done the DNA thing. The irony is that the only person that comes > > close > > to matching is apparently unrelated! So we are out there all alone. I > > sure > > wish someone would match up and soon! > > > > Virginia in Seattle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathleen Van Heuit" <willapa@willapabay.org> > > To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Black Irish > > > > > > > I've always understood my father to have been a typical 'Black > > > Irishman'--he was fair-skinned, but had black hair and green eyes. > > > His maternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic immigrant from Derry > > > County named Sarah O'Neill. I'd heard that the black hair seen in > > > Ireland was a souvenir of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. I've also > > > heard that that story is a bunch of malarkey. Maybe DNA research will > > > solve that question. > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > > > > > > > I've read that the Black Irish go way back into Ireland. > > > > Occasionally, an > > > > Irish child is born who has dark eyes, hair, and skin color and is > > > > slightly > > > > darker than general Irish; thus, they're called Black Irish. I > > > > don't know > > > > about Black Dutch. > > > > > > > > Melungeons are believed to have developed in this country, pre- > > > > colonization, > > > > by a group of Portuguese shipwrecked sailors and others, off the > > > > coast of > > > > the Carolinas. The Indians in the area accepted them, intermarried > > > > with > > > > them, and those offspring were darker in color. Their descendants > > > > spread > > > > throughout Appalachia. Like Sue said, there are many web sites > > > > about > > > > them. To find one - 'Google' *Melungeon *in the search box, > > > > click go, and > > > > take your pick of the sites that will come up. The same process > > > > could be > > > > done with Black Dutch, etc. > > > > Wanda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >-- >For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN lauracowancooper@comcast.net

Hi Wanda, It is really nice to meet a Thomas that is "close by". How is the weather over there? It is rainy and windy tonight, but actually it hasn't really been to terribly bad. I remember it being damp and cold when I was a kid but I guess a lot of people here don't. I also remember when we moved back out here I wanted to get over the pass before the end of October. ( I didn't do snow then and I still don't). We made it and if I remember correctly it started snowing sometime in December and it stuck around for weeks. At least you are further back than I am. I cannot get past 1820 for sure and possibly to back to 1783, both in Virginia> I have one "Reuben", William Reuben Thomas son of Ephraim Newton Thomas. He was born in 1899. His father (EN) is the brother to my gggg grandfather, William Robert Thomas. I also stumbled onto something this afternoon about a Seaborn Jones Thomas on the Rootsweb Trees, There was similarity in the fact that I had read somewhere that my WR Thomas (born 1820) had been the owner or partner in a Grist Mill and Salt Mill. This Seaborn Jones had come back from the war and he had a Grist Mill in Georgia. Now, I may be shooting at straws (and don't we all start doing a little of that), but it seems to me that in those days a lot of skills were handed down. I will have to look at it a bit closer sometime. William Robert also had a cousin, Christopher Columbus Thomas, that was also born in 1820 in either Virginia, Texas or Georgia. Don't you just love multiple choices like this!!!! Anyway, no one from the CC side of the family has done any DNA testing to date either. I was so disappointed when nothing really matched up after I had it done. It has been only a little over a year, so I guess there is still plenty of time. Good luck, maybe there will be a connection. Where did your Thomases go when they left Virginia? Mine went to Tennessee and then, supposedly, Kentucky,. I say supposedly, because I really wonder if they moved to the other state or if the state came to them??? Gotta go, Virginia in Seattle --- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Flesher" <w.flesher@gmail.com> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Black Irish > Virginia, I'm in Tri Cities WA. Hi! From what I've been reading on the > List, I don't think I connect to the same Thomas family, at least with > Kathleen or Sue - yet we never know. I'm dead ended with Reuben Thomas b > abt 1730/40, and he was in Washington Co VA about Rev War times. I've > always thought he was b. VA, but now I'm wondering if he could be from NC. > I need more research. > > I have a few male Thomas cousins who could do the DNA test, but so far, they > aren't interested. Will keep trying. It just takes one break to get things > rolling. > > Wanda > >

Virginia, I'm in Tri Cities WA. Hi! From what I've been reading on the List, I don't think I connect to the same Thomas family, at least with Kathleen or Sue - yet we never know. I'm dead ended with Reuben Thomas b abt 1730/40, and he was in Washington Co VA about Rev War times. I've always thought he was b. VA, but now I'm wondering if he could be from NC. I need more research. I have a few male Thomas cousins who could do the DNA test, but so far, they aren't interested. Will keep trying. It just takes one break to get things rolling. Wanda On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Virginia <vdach@verizon.net> wrote: > I've done the DNA thing. The irony is that the only person that comes > close > to matching is apparently unrelated! So we are out there all alone. I > sure > wish someone would match up and soon! > > Virginia in Seattle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Van Heuit" <willapa@willapabay.org> > To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Black Irish > > > > I've always understood my father to have been a typical 'Black > > Irishman'--he was fair-skinned, but had black hair and green eyes. > > His maternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic immigrant from Derry > > County named Sarah O'Neill. I'd heard that the black hair seen in > > Ireland was a souvenir of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. I've also > > heard that that story is a bunch of malarkey. Maybe DNA research will > > solve that question. > > > > Kathleen > > > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > > > > > I've read that the Black Irish go way back into Ireland. > > > Occasionally, an > > > Irish child is born who has dark eyes, hair, and skin color and is > > > slightly > > > darker than general Irish; thus, they're called Black Irish. I > > > don't know > > > about Black Dutch. > > > > > > Melungeons are believed to have developed in this country, pre- > > > colonization, > > > by a group of Portuguese shipwrecked sailors and others, off the > > > coast of > > > the Carolinas. The Indians in the area accepted them, intermarried > > > with > > > them, and those offspring were darker in color. Their descendants > > > spread > > > throughout Appalachia. Like Sue said, there are many web sites > > > about > > > them. To find one - 'Google' *Melungeon *in the search box, > > > click go, and > > > take your pick of the sites that will come up. The same process > > > could be > > > done with Black Dutch, etc. > > > Wanda > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America

Sue, I'm descended from the Thomas family that lived in Carter co. Tn, Yancey co. N.C., Mitchell co. N.C., Avery Co. N.C., and Swain co. N.C. Charlie Thomas born about 1885 in Carter co. Tn, and died around 1937 in Swain co. N.C. John Thomas born about 1860 , married Nancy whitehead in 1880 in Carter co. Tn, lived at Shell creek in Carter Co. Tn, and have been told that he died around 1920 and is buried at a Gouge Cemetery near buladeen in Mitchell co. n.c. Also seeking information on Strawberry Thomas born 1840 in North Carolina, lived in Carter Co. Tn, married first to a Woman by the last name of Phillips, and his second wife was modena Perry Whitehead, they eventually settled at Cranberry in Avery Co. N.C., where Strawberry Thomas died in 1911. I have been told that the Thomas Family was mixed with indian ancestry.... My grandfather Charlie Thomas was a dark complexioned man.... Jeff Beard --- Laura Cowan Cooper <lauracowancooper@comcast.net> wrote: > Sue, > > I find it interesting that you remember the "Black > Dutch" term from your > childhood. I had always heard "Spanish" or > "Portyghee" to explain darker > skin found in the Thomas Family. Even Monroe Thomas > tells us that he thinks > the name may have been Tomas and have Spanish > Heritage. > > http://www.blackdutch1.webs.com/ > http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/flanders.htm > > Several years ago, I went to the big Melungeon > Gathering to meet the other > Co-Administrator of the Cowan Surname DNA Project - > I felt that if she > could pay $900 to test 9 Cowan men that I selected, > that I could drive 90 > miles and spend the money to attend the conference > she was attending. I had > in other genealogy programs had presenters that did > sessions on Our Mixed > Heritage, etc. Well, before I left the gathering, I > knew that my shovel > teeth, buckle Buttons and the Central Asian Crainal > Rdge had meaning. > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/melungeons.htm > and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon > > Anyway, I am now treated for a modern version of > Familiar Mediterranean > Fever which Dr. Chris Morris, MD in Kingsport, TN > thinks is something that > many of the "mountain" people suffer with - like it > has developed into a > condition that is a result of their heritage. I will > not go into all the > details, but getting treatment has made a big > difference in my > life. > http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=familialmediterraneanfever > > The Cowan genetic markers came back with Central > Asian Heritage and I know > that the Minor line is often called "Black Dutch" > and "Portyghee" so I felt > that I had enough heritage on both sides of my tree > to at least consider FMF. > > So I don't know if Melungeon is the correct term for > the Thomas Heritage, > but I know that from what I knew about my family > nudged me to look for > heritage reasons why I don't do milk products and > hurt all over often > feeling like I was fighting a round of flu. I take > colchicine and when I > feel a spell coming on, I up my dose. It is from a > plant called the Autumn > Crocus which grows in the Mediterranean. It sure has > solved a lot of my > medical issues. > http://www.melungeonhealth.org/experiences.html > > I have added the links so as not to end up writing a > book to answer the > questions. > > If we could corner some of the older Thomas family > members, we might be > able to get some answers but I am afraid that many > of them are unwilling to > talk about it or have by now forgotten what they > were told. I am blonde > with blue/green eyes so I would have never thought > about my heritage being > what it have proven to be thanks to genealogy and > the genetic signatures > provided by relatives that are close enough to my > tree to count. <g> > > I often feel that we will not get any farther back > than the mountains of > Western NC on this Thomas line, but the answers > provided by the genetic > signatures were worth the wait. > > This Jobe Thomas line, I have run into several > others from the line, but > over the years have lost contact with them - I know > that one researcher > said her mother had this huge rolled paper document > that had all the family > history on it, but she would not let her see if very > often. > > Sure would like to get the members of this Thomas > line to head to the > mountains of Mitchell County, NC during the Silver > Reunion that is set for > July 26 and 27, 2008. I know that this is the same > weekend of the > Decoration at the Thomas Family Cemetery at Gouges > Creek. For those that do > not know the family line and are reading the post, > the mother of Monroe > Thomas was a Silver. Also this same weekend use to > be the Stewart Family > Reunon, but I have not seen them the last few years. > Anyway, the Silver > Reunion is an open reunion and we have a lot of > information in the archives > on this Thomas Family. Just make note of the date > and if you desire more > information, I will be glad to tell you all about it > as well as post the > announcement nearer time. > > The Thomas Line that we have been talking about has > a rich mountain > heritage and about every family that ties to modern > day Mitchell County, > North Carolina has a few in their tree. > > Sue is your father the one that use to take care of > one of the older Thomas > Cemeteries in Yancey County or the Roses Branch > area?? > > At 06:56 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: > >I'm jumping in here to say that I'm sorry to hear > that you have been ill, > >and I hope that you are now well on the way to > recovery, if not already! > >Also, my grandmother, Susan Americus Thomas, was > born in 1850 in Coosa Co., > >AL, to John Q. Thomas and Amanda M. (Brown) Thomas. > When I was just a small > >child (Susan died in 1944, when I was 8 years old), > I remember her saying > >that we were "Black Dutch". Now, whether that > means Melungeon or not, I > >don't know. Have you heard of Black Dutch before? > > > >Sue (Johnson) Howard > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <SewzArt@aol.com> > >To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:21 PM > >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Aaron THOMAS (1776-1883) > > > > > > > Have been seriously ill don`t know if I answered > or not. > > > I am desc. from a son or grandson of Aaron > Thomas and wfe Hunsaker. > > > throughone Jobe Thomas who went to Knox Co. Ky. > > > and either the father or the son "Jobe" Thomas > fathered my grgrandmother, > > > America Mecci, dau, of Barbara Barton Dugger. > > > My grgrandmother went by "Dugger" all of her > life but she was of this > > > Thomas > > > line. > > > Have you heard anything about the Thomas line > being Melungeon origin. > > > Nat`l Geographic article many yrs. ago. about > 1956 I think... > > > Sue Engle Drake in Al. > > > > > > > > Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN > lauracowancooper@comcast.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Sue, I find it interesting that you remember the "Black Dutch" term from your childhood. I had always heard "Spanish" or "Portyghee" to explain darker skin found in the Thomas Family. Even Monroe Thomas tells us that he thinks the name may have been Tomas and have Spanish Heritage. http://www.blackdutch1.webs.com/ http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/flanders.htm Several years ago, I went to the big Melungeon Gathering to meet the other Co-Administrator of the Cowan Surname DNA Project - I felt that if she could pay $900 to test 9 Cowan men that I selected, that I could drive 90 miles and spend the money to attend the conference she was attending. I had in other genealogy programs had presenters that did sessions on Our Mixed Heritage, etc. Well, before I left the gathering, I knew that my shovel teeth, buckle Buttons and the Central Asian Crainal Rdge had meaning. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/melungeons.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon Anyway, I am now treated for a modern version of Familiar Mediterranean Fever which Dr. Chris Morris, MD in Kingsport, TN thinks is something that many of the "mountain" people suffer with - like it has developed into a condition that is a result of their heritage. I will not go into all the details, but getting treatment has made a big difference in my life. http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=familialmediterraneanfever The Cowan genetic markers came back with Central Asian Heritage and I know that the Minor line is often called "Black Dutch" and "Portyghee" so I felt that I had enough heritage on both sides of my tree to at least consider FMF. So I don't know if Melungeon is the correct term for the Thomas Heritage, but I know that from what I knew about my family nudged me to look for heritage reasons why I don't do milk products and hurt all over often feeling like I was fighting a round of flu. I take colchicine and when I feel a spell coming on, I up my dose. It is from a plant called the Autumn Crocus which grows in the Mediterranean. It sure has solved a lot of my medical issues. http://www.melungeonhealth.org/experiences.html I have added the links so as not to end up writing a book to answer the questions. If we could corner some of the older Thomas family members, we might be able to get some answers but I am afraid that many of them are unwilling to talk about it or have by now forgotten what they were told. I am blonde with blue/green eyes so I would have never thought about my heritage being what it have proven to be thanks to genealogy and the genetic signatures provided by relatives that are close enough to my tree to count. <g> I often feel that we will not get any farther back than the mountains of Western NC on this Thomas line, but the answers provided by the genetic signatures were worth the wait. This Jobe Thomas line, I have run into several others from the line, but over the years have lost contact with them - I know that one researcher said her mother had this huge rolled paper document that had all the family history on it, but she would not let her see if very often. Sure would like to get the members of this Thomas line to head to the mountains of Mitchell County, NC during the Silver Reunion that is set for July 26 and 27, 2008. I know that this is the same weekend of the Decoration at the Thomas Family Cemetery at Gouges Creek. For those that do not know the family line and are reading the post, the mother of Monroe Thomas was a Silver. Also this same weekend use to be the Stewart Family Reunon, but I have not seen them the last few years. Anyway, the Silver Reunion is an open reunion and we have a lot of information in the archives on this Thomas Family. Just make note of the date and if you desire more information, I will be glad to tell you all about it as well as post the announcement nearer time. The Thomas Line that we have been talking about has a rich mountain heritage and about every family that ties to modern day Mitchell County, North Carolina has a few in their tree. Sue is your father the one that use to take care of one of the older Thomas Cemeteries in Yancey County or the Roses Branch area?? At 06:56 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >I'm jumping in here to say that I'm sorry to hear that you have been ill, >and I hope that you are now well on the way to recovery, if not already! >Also, my grandmother, Susan Americus Thomas, was born in 1850 in Coosa Co., >AL, to John Q. Thomas and Amanda M. (Brown) Thomas. When I was just a small >child (Susan died in 1944, when I was 8 years old), I remember her saying >that we were "Black Dutch". Now, whether that means Melungeon or not, I >don't know. Have you heard of Black Dutch before? > >Sue (Johnson) Howard > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <SewzArt@aol.com> >To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:21 PM >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Aaron THOMAS (1776-1883) > > > > Have been seriously ill don`t know if I answered or not. > > I am desc. from a son or grandson of Aaron Thomas and wfe Hunsaker. > > throughone Jobe Thomas who went to Knox Co. Ky. > > and either the father or the son "Jobe" Thomas fathered my grgrandmother, > > America Mecci, dau, of Barbara Barton Dugger. > > My grgrandmother went by "Dugger" all of her life but she was of this > > Thomas > > line. > > Have you heard anything about the Thomas line being Melungeon origin. > > Nat`l Geographic article many yrs. ago. about 1956 I think... > > Sue Engle Drake in Al. > > > > Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN lauracowancooper@comcast.net

Laura, I remember that when I was in grammar school (this was in Clarksdale, Mississippi), everybody in my class had to tell what their ethnic background was. I had always said I was Swedish because I thought "Johnson" - which was my maiden name - sounded like a Swedish name So I asked my mother, and she told me that my grandmother (her mother) had always said that we were Black Dutch. Now at that time, I thought she was referring to the Gilbert surname, because we always called her "Grandmaw Gilbert", but in reality, that was her married name and her maiden name was Thomas, so I believe, now, that she might have been referring to the Thomas family as being "Black Dutch". Is that confusing enough?!! <lol> So, just for your info, the Thomas name is on my mother's side of the family, and the Cowan name (remember I'm related, though very distantly, to Betty Frazier and Becky who lives in Alaska) is from my father's side of the family Thanks for all your information on the Black Dutch and the links. I hope that you are feeling okay and are able to deal with this Familiar Mediterranean Fever. Sue (Johnson) Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Cowan Cooper" <lauracowancooper@comcast.net> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Aaron THOMAS (1776-1883) > Sue, > > I find it interesting that you remember the "Black Dutch" term from your > childhood. I had always heard "Spanish" or "Portyghee" to explain darker > skin found in the Thomas Family. Even Monroe Thomas tells us that he > thinks > the name may have been Tomas and have Spanish Heritage. > > http://www.blackdutch1.webs.com/ > http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/flanders.htm > > Several years ago, I went to the big Melungeon Gathering to meet the other > Co-Administrator of the Cowan Surname DNA Project - I felt that if she > could pay $900 to test 9 Cowan men that I selected, that I could drive 90 > miles and spend the money to attend the conference she was attending. I > had > in other genealogy programs had presenters that did sessions on Our Mixed > Heritage, etc. Well, before I left the gathering, I knew that my shovel > teeth, buckle Buttons and the Central Asian Crainal Rdge had meaning. > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/melungeons.htm and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon > > Anyway, I am now treated for a modern version of Familiar Mediterranean > Fever which Dr. Chris Morris, MD in Kingsport, TN thinks is something that > many of the "mountain" people suffer with - like it has developed into a > condition that is a result of their heritage. I will not go into all the > details, but getting treatment has made a big difference in my > life. http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=familialmediterraneanfever > > The Cowan genetic markers came back with Central Asian Heritage and I know > that the Minor line is often called "Black Dutch" and "Portyghee" so I > felt > that I had enough heritage on both sides of my tree to at least consider > FMF. > > So I don't know if Melungeon is the correct term for the Thomas Heritage, > but I know that from what I knew about my family nudged me to look for > heritage reasons why I don't do milk products and hurt all over often > feeling like I was fighting a round of flu. I take colchicine and when I > feel a spell coming on, I up my dose. It is from a plant called the Autumn > Crocus which grows in the Mediterranean. It sure has solved a lot of my > medical issues. > http://www.melungeonhealth.org/experiences.html > > I have added the links so as not to end up writing a book to answer the > questions. > > If we could corner some of the older Thomas family members, we might be > able to get some answers but I am afraid that many of them are unwilling > to > talk about it or have by now forgotten what they were told. I am blonde > with blue/green eyes so I would have never thought about my heritage being > what it have proven to be thanks to genealogy and the genetic signatures > provided by relatives that are close enough to my tree to count. <g> > > I often feel that we will not get any farther back than the mountains of > Western NC on this Thomas line, but the answers provided by the genetic > signatures were worth the wait. > > This Jobe Thomas line, I have run into several others from the line, but > over the years have lost contact with them - I know that one researcher > said her mother had this huge rolled paper document that had all the > family > history on it, but she would not let her see if very often. > > Sure would like to get the members of this Thomas line to head to the > mountains of Mitchell County, NC during the Silver Reunion that is set for > July 26 and 27, 2008. I know that this is the same weekend of the > Decoration at the Thomas Family Cemetery at Gouges Creek. For those that > do > not know the family line and are reading the post, the mother of Monroe > Thomas was a Silver. Also this same weekend use to be the Stewart Family > Reunon, but I have not seen them the last few years. Anyway, the Silver > Reunion is an open reunion and we have a lot of information in the > archives > on this Thomas Family. Just make note of the date and if you desire more > information, I will be glad to tell you all about it as well as post the > announcement nearer time. > > The Thomas Line that we have been talking about has a rich mountain > heritage and about every family that ties to modern day Mitchell County, > North Carolina has a few in their tree. > > Sue is your father the one that use to take care of one of the older > Thomas > Cemeteries in Yancey County or the Roses Branch area?? > > At 06:56 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >>I'm jumping in here to say that I'm sorry to hear that you have been ill, >>and I hope that you are now well on the way to recovery, if not already! >>Also, my grandmother, Susan Americus Thomas, was born in 1850 in Coosa >>Co., >>AL, to John Q. Thomas and Amanda M. (Brown) Thomas. When I was just a >>small >>child (Susan died in 1944, when I was 8 years old), I remember her saying >>that we were "Black Dutch". Now, whether that means Melungeon or not, I >>don't know. Have you heard of Black Dutch before? >> >>Sue (Johnson) Howard >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <SewzArt@aol.com> >>To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Aaron THOMAS (1776-1883) >> >> >> > Have been seriously ill don`t know if I answered or not. >> > I am desc. from a son or grandson of Aaron Thomas and wfe Hunsaker. >> > throughone Jobe Thomas who went to Knox Co. Ky. >> > and either the father or the son "Jobe" Thomas fathered my >> > grgrandmother, >> > America Mecci, dau, of Barbara Barton Dugger. >> > My grgrandmother went by "Dugger" all of her life but she was of this >> > Thomas >> > line. >> > Have you heard anything about the Thomas line being Melungeon origin. >> > Nat`l Geographic article many yrs. ago. about 1956 I think... >> > Sue Engle Drake in Al. >> > >> > > > Laura Cowan Cooper - Kodak, TN > lauracowancooper@comcast.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I've done the DNA thing. The irony is that the only person that comes close to matching is apparently unrelated! So we are out there all alone. I sure wish someone would match up and soon! Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Van Heuit" <willapa@willapabay.org> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Black Irish > I've always understood my father to have been a typical 'Black > Irishman'--he was fair-skinned, but had black hair and green eyes. > His maternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic immigrant from Derry > County named Sarah O'Neill. I'd heard that the black hair seen in > Ireland was a souvenir of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. I've also > heard that that story is a bunch of malarkey. Maybe DNA research will > solve that question. > > Kathleen > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > > > I've read that the Black Irish go way back into Ireland. > > Occasionally, an > > Irish child is born who has dark eyes, hair, and skin color and is > > slightly > > darker than general Irish; thus, they're called Black Irish. I > > don't know > > about Black Dutch. > > > > Melungeons are believed to have developed in this country, pre- > > colonization, > > by a group of Portuguese shipwrecked sailors and others, off the > > coast of > > the Carolinas. The Indians in the area accepted them, intermarried > > with > > them, and those offspring were darker in color. Their descendants > > spread > > throughout Appalachia. Like Sue said, there are many web sites > > about > > them. To find one - 'Google' *Melungeon *in the search box, > > click go, and > > take your pick of the sites that will come up. The same process > > could be > > done with Black Dutch, etc. > > Wanda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eventually, we'll know. Only legendary stories tell about the Melungeons. Perhaps it's so with Black Irish as well. I've found that my family's traditional stories, for the most part, have been 'just' stories. One was, that my gr gr grandfather and grandmother Wagers (integrated into my Thomas line), met on the boat coming over from France - fell in love - and married. Truth is - it may have happened with a much earlier generation, but not with my gg greats. Their families were well established in this country before they were born. As a child, I was told that my gr grandfather Thomas came from Ireland. Again, our Thomas family was well established in the Colonies before he was born. It's always best to do the research and at least get the connections/info right. Wanda On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Kathleen Van Heuit <willapa@willapabay.org> wrote: > I've always understood my father to have been a typical 'Black > Irishman'--he was fair-skinned, but had black hair and green eyes. > His maternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic immigrant from Derry > County named Sarah O'Neill. I'd heard that the black hair seen in > Ireland was a souvenir of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. I've also > heard that that story is a bunch of malarkey. Maybe DNA research will > solve that question. > > Kathleen > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > > > I've read that the Black Irish go way back into Ireland. > > Occasionally, an > > Irish child is born who has dark eyes, hair, and skin color and is > > slightly > > darker than general Irish; thus, they're called Black Irish. I > > don't know > > about Black Dutch. > > > > Melungeons are believed to have developed in this country, pre- > > colonization, > > by a group of Portuguese shipwrecked sailors and others, off the > > coast of > > the Carolinas. The Indians in the area accepted them, intermarried > > with > > them, and those offspring were darker in color. Their descendants > > spread > > throughout Appalachia. Like Sue said, there are many web sites > > about > > them. To find one - 'Google' *Melungeon *in the search box, > > click go, and > > take your pick of the sites that will come up. The same process > > could be > > done with Black Dutch, etc. > > Wanda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America

I've always understood my father to have been a typical 'Black Irishman'--he was fair-skinned, but had black hair and green eyes. His maternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic immigrant from Derry County named Sarah O'Neill. I'd heard that the black hair seen in Ireland was a souvenir of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. I've also heard that that story is a bunch of malarkey. Maybe DNA research will solve that question. Kathleen On Mar 16, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > I've read that the Black Irish go way back into Ireland. > Occasionally, an > Irish child is born who has dark eyes, hair, and skin color and is > slightly > darker than general Irish; thus, they're called Black Irish. I > don't know > about Black Dutch. > > Melungeons are believed to have developed in this country, pre- > colonization, > by a group of Portuguese shipwrecked sailors and others, off the > coast of > the Carolinas. The Indians in the area accepted them, intermarried > with > them, and those offspring were darker in color. Their descendants > spread > throughout Appalachia. Like Sue said, there are many web sites > about > them. To find one - 'Google' *Melungeon *in the search box, > click go, and > take your pick of the sites that will come up. The same process > could be > done with Black Dutch, etc. > Wanda > >