So, are you saying that since my Thomas line matched a Fox line exactly' that I shouldn't discount them, which I was since their last name was Fox? In addition, although they were from NC, they were a few counties away. Should I take a closer look at this family? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Carole Kane <ckane2@cfl.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:42:18 To:thomas@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test Rory, A twelve marker match would be more significant ... if the match bore the same surname. Too bad your match hasn't updated his DNA test to include more markers than twelve! It's always interesting to see if the match continues at more markers. Just in case ... Rory, check your "Preference Settings" on your personal page provided by Family Tree DNA. You may have them set to only include matches within the THOMAS DNA Project. If this is the case ... change the setting to include ALL matches from Family Tree's data base. Rory, it may not seem like it now, but DNA testing is well worth the expense & frustration. For me personally, it was well worth it just to eliminate a Thomas line found in the same Georgia County, to whom, I had tried diligently for far too many years, to attach to my Thomas line. Alas, our DNA did NOT match. Thanks to DNA testing, I could FINALLY for all times disregard the other Thomas line as having any familial connection. With Sincere Regard, Carole Thomas Kane On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Rory Thomas wrote: > > Thank you all for your replys to my last message.Can i ask advice from > those of you that seem to understand this DNA thing.I followed advice > & uploaded my family tree DNA to YSEARCH,com.After browsing it showed > a link with another person,However I had a 67 point test done,& the > other person only appeared to have a 12 point test which matched > exactly the first 12 tests of my 67 points.Are these 12 matches > significant?The other male has a diffent Surname.I have emailed him > but would appreciate any advise on understanding the linc if any.Thank > you. > Rory Thomas> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:28 -0400> To: > thomas@rootsweb.com> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thank you all for your replys to my last message.Can i ask advice from those of you that seem to understand this DNA thing.I followed advice & uploaded my family tree DNA to YSEARCH,com.After browsing it showed a link with another person,However I had a 67 point test done,& the other person only appeared to have a 12 point test which matched exactly the first 12 tests of my 67 points.Are these 12 matches significant?The other male has a diffent Surname.I have emailed him but would appreciate any advise on understanding the linc if any.Thank you. Rory Thomas> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:28 -0400> To: thomas@rootsweb.com> From: lauracowancooper@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test> > Rory,> > I am so sorry that you feel this way, but I can understand it.> > FTDNA is a very good company and you get the best information back from > them - true it often causes more questions than it explains and can be very > disappointing. It is a tool and a wise investment if you are a researcher.> > First you have the Genetic Signature at the highest level of your Thomas > line and for another Thomas to be part of your line, they have to > genetically match your results or be reasonable close. This is what you DNA > looks line at 67 different places. Now, it may not match any > one.........but with Haplogroup J2, I would think that you might be close > to my line; however, same Haplogroups along with same surname does not mean > a match. The DNA is deep ancestry that the modern world is using as a tool > to help find connections for a time period that is within the say last 200 > years to present.> > In the Cowan Surname Project, we have sorted a lot of men - we can't prove > the paper trail but I can tell you that if your Genetic Signature does not > match the line that you have been researching then you need to look else > where. I have sawed off several branches off of well researched lines and > taken their brothers with them since I could prove the brothers thanks to > early court records. That doesn't mean that the line in question did not > have a Samuel, Nathaniel or James BUT it was not this group of men with the > same name. I have seen the answer as to why people can not connect their > paper trail to other Cowan lines in the same area. The Wythe County, > Virginia line looks like it should match the Russell County, Virgina group > that were running around at the same time.What is worse is that the Russell > County, Virginia group were living in Cowan's Fort and other areas around > there while my personal Cooper line was getting themselves killed there. > Then my husband's Wythe County, Virgina line was running around Russell > County, Virginia at the same time but the genetic signature for both Cowan > lines and both Cooper lines are not anywhere close as well as being > different Haplogroups. All I managed to prove is that at the same period in > time all four of these groups could have known each other and probably > thought they were kin due to the common last names which is what started > all the mixed up genealogies in the beginning. The other thing is that the > testing told us why the paper trail can't be established in such a way that > the researchers can get any where - they are not kin and we now know it > genetically. Doesn't tell us much but it does tell us what Cowan lines not > to try to connect together.> > Yes, the results are a little much and I am still missing a lot of pieces > to the big picture so I accept that a lot of this is stuff that I have to > accept that this is just the way it works and the way it works is why it is > helpful in genealogy. To stop and think that your DNA sample is a > representative sample of your father and your grandfather and his father > all the way back until you run out of Thomas men is to me one of the > neatest concepts around. When other Thomas men tested and were from my > Thomas line it was the greatest gift that they could have given me. These > Thomas men are last time I checked 3 in number and are close enough in my > tree to make me happy. I have Thomas cousins that could be tested but these > will work since I would rather have my Buchanan 1st cousin to be tested > since he would be a representative sample of my mother's brother and my > grandfather or I would rather have mt-DNA from my Aunt on my father's side > since she would be a representative sample of the mt-DNA that my father > carried since they are brother and sister.> > Suggestion to the Haplogroup does have some meaning since there are those > that are not even suggested. I don't think that they suggest unless they > are pretty sure that they are correct. I have just had a friend that is > Italian get his results back and he knows his grandfather and grandmother > immigrated from Italy but his Haplogroup was not anything I was expecting - > he was Haplogroup Q and his mt-DNA was I. So what do we do now and he has > no matches at all with his y-DNA.> > You now have a tool that says, you are my line this is the genetic > signature you have to match. Do you have a male Thomas in your family that > can be tested to see if we are kin since the paper trail points us in the > right direction??? You really don't have to understand it to use it and no > matter how much I study DNA, I find that I am missing the piece that will > make all the hours I have devoted to trying to understand things turn on > the light bulb.> > You genetically now know what the signature was for your male ancestors and > all of your male descendents - we know that there are changes and there are > sometime issues in our non-perfect world BUT in theory we know that your > the DNA signature of Rory Thomas is a representative sample of the past, > present and future of the Thomas men that are in a straight line in > your family tree. I express it this way since I know that have other > Thomas lines on my father's side that are probably not kin to the Thomas > line on my mother's side.> > I don't think that you have wasted your money - you have lots of answers, > we just don't understand all that we are being told and with more time, we > will get more answers. The Thomas Project is a large active group and with > more time and more testing we will get more answers along with more questions.> > Once again, I am sorry that you are disappointed, I know that my friend was > beyond upset over his results and expressed very much what you have shared > with the list. Thanks for taking the time to tell us your feelings on your > testing. 67 markers is a large gift to us as researchers that have the > Thomas surname in our heritage - Thomas is a more common name than some of > the other surnames so you have to expect a lot of different non-related lines.> > Laura> > At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:> > >For general infomation.> >I recently had a 67 marker test done through family tree DNA at some > >expence.The results are disapointing in that they are totally > >inconclusive,but mainly i found them to be written in scientific > >jargon,which I found meaningless,despite buying a book on the subject in > >an attempt to seek clarifycation on the whole report.I would suggest to > >the authors that they produce future reports in what is called "Plain > >English"(or American,obviosly).I gained nothing from it,even the > >suggestion that I belong to"Haplogroup J2" was an unverified speculation.I > >do not recomend this test.> >R.Thomas> >_________________________________________________________________> >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. 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Yes, They moved to Miami Co., OH and then to surrounding Co.s; Montgomery and Darke. Your Thomas' seem to have followed the Mennonites from VA to OH. Pretty much the same time and approx. the same counties, although they spread across OH following Zane's Trace (sort of the same route as I-70 today). That is a basic explanation of a complicated move. A few of my husband's Thomas family members from the Rocky Mount area were Brethren. Jan Thomas Vrgfdonna@aol.com wrote: > Jan, do you know what county they went to in Oh.? My THOMAS family went to > Fairfield & Perry Counties in about 1811 from Rockingham Co., Va., which is > not really very far from Bedford Co., especially when you consider county > changes. I don't know of a John related to mine, but there may have been one. > My line: > Rees THOMAS 1690 Wales > Evan THOMAS 1743 Va. > Aaron THOMAS 1772 Va. > David THOMAS ca 1807 Rockingham Co., Va. > Martha THOMAS 1836 Perry Co., Oh. > Thanks, > Velma > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 11:16:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > textique@aol.com writes: > > I can trace my husband's Thomas family to John and Polley (Mary) Thomas > of Bedford Co., VA. Their son - who family legend says was adopted > (unproven) - Thomas Tate Thomas was born there in 1851-2 (different > records and gravestone). He married Mary Elizabeth Divers in Franklin > Co. at her parents' home and his descendants lived there in Rocky Mount > and surrounds until approx. 1913 and moved to OH. No records, to date, > have uncovered anything about John and Polley who are listed as his > parents on his marriage certificate. > > Jan Thomas > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since we are discussing Ohio Thomas families, does anyone have Thomases who went to Ashland, Wayne or Richland counties in the early 1800s, before 1830? Don L. Fox FoxeyDL@q.com

Oh, how interesting! Can you give us the names in your line? Do you know where in Oh. they went? Velma In a message dated 3/30/2008 11:56:32 AM Central Daylight Time, GNEOLOG@aol.com writes: Hmmmm two Marilyn's on this group with Thomas family from Virginia. I am going to be Marilyn in Mississippi to keep myself straight. <smile> My Thomas line Spottsylvania, Orange, Culpeper -- they did not move -- just the county lines changed One branch to NC -- Guilford/Rockingham My branch-- Ky Fayette and surrounding counties 1760 then on to Ohio by 1810 with twigs going onto Indiana Probably the only German THOMAS family known to man -- started out as THOMA. <smile> Take care. Marilyn in Mississippi **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Jan, do you know what county they went to in Oh.? My THOMAS family went to Fairfield & Perry Counties in about 1811 from Rockingham Co., Va., which is not really very far from Bedford Co., especially when you consider county changes. I don't know of a John related to mine, but there may have been one. My line: Rees THOMAS 1690 Wales Evan THOMAS 1743 Va. Aaron THOMAS 1772 Va. David THOMAS ca 1807 Rockingham Co., Va. Martha THOMAS 1836 Perry Co., Oh. Thanks, Velma In a message dated 3/30/2008 11:16:56 AM Central Daylight Time, textique@aol.com writes: I can trace my husband's Thomas family to John and Polley (Mary) Thomas of Bedford Co., VA. Their son - who family legend says was adopted (unproven) - Thomas Tate Thomas was born there in 1851-2 (different records and gravestone). He married Mary Elizabeth Divers in Franklin Co. at her parents' home and his descendants lived there in Rocky Mount and surrounds until approx. 1913 and moved to OH. No records, to date, have uncovered anything about John and Polley who are listed as his parents on his marriage certificate. Jan Thomas **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hello Mandy, That depends entirely on how many markers you're talking about. Do you match the FOX line exactly at sixty seven markers? If so, then absolutely, take a closer look at them. Do not disregard a significant match because of a difference in surnames. The key word is ... Significant Match ... a twelve marker match to another twelve marker match doesn't really tell us too much. For anyone that's only tested at twelve markers ... as your budget allows ... consider upgrading to more markers. Carole Thomas Kane On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:54 PM, MandyPerro@aol.com wrote: > So, are you saying that since my Thomas line matched a Fox line > exactly' that I shouldn't discount them, which I was since their last > name was Fox? In addition, although they were from NC, they were a > few counties away. Should I take a closer look at this family? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Kane <ckane2@cfl.rr.com> > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:42:18 > To:thomas@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA test > > > Rory, > > A twelve marker match would be more significant ... if the match bore > the same surname. Too bad your match hasn't updated his DNA test to > include more markers than twelve! It's always interesting to see if the > match continues at more markers. > > Just in case ... Rory, check your "Preference Settings" on your > personal page provided by Family Tree DNA. You may have them set to > only include matches within the THOMAS DNA Project. If this is the case > ... change the setting to include ALL matches from Family Tree's data > base. > > Rory, it may not seem like it now, but DNA testing is well worth the > expense & frustration. For me personally, it was well worth it just to > eliminate a Thomas line found in the same Georgia County, to whom, I > had tried diligently for far too many years, to attach to my Thomas > line. Alas, our DNA did NOT match. Thanks to DNA testing, I could > FINALLY for all times disregard the other Thomas line as having any > familial connection. > > With Sincere Regard, > Carole Thomas Kane > On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Rory Thomas wrote: > >> >> Thank you all for your replys to my last message.Can i ask advice from >> those of you that seem to understand this DNA thing.I followed advice >> & uploaded my family tree DNA to YSEARCH,com.After browsing it showed >> a link with another person,However I had a 67 point test done,& the >> other person only appeared to have a 12 point test which matched >> exactly the first 12 tests of my 67 points.Are these 12 matches >> significant?The other male has a diffent Surname.I have emailed him >> but would appreciate any advise on understanding the linc if any.Thank >> you. >> Rory Thomas> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:28 -0400> To: >> thomas@rootsweb.com> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue, There are times & circumstances where we may have very relevant matches to another / different surname. Examples would be, if there existed an unknown adoption or an out of paternity event. Also, for those of us with a family tradition of Welch heritage ... we can definitely have very significant matches to a different surname. The Welch didn't adopt the use of surnames until later than some other countries. Consequently, when they did start using surnames ... there could be within one extended family different surnames. They used the Patronymic system of naming, so for example, if two brothers had the given names of Thomas & John. The brothers Thomas & John both had male children; say Thomas had a son named David ... he would have been called David Ap Thomas. While brother John had a son named William ... he would have been called William Ap John. When the two first cousins took surnames, they probably or possibly could have been known as David Thomas & William Jones. If we tested the descendants of these two cousins Y chromosome DNA today ... they would likely be an exact match. With Sincere Regard, Carole Thomas Kane On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Carolyn S. Howard wrote: > Rory, I don't really know very much about DNA testing, except that I > do know > that it has to be a male doing the testing, and he has to be testing > for HIS > surname; for example, my brother's last name is "Johnson", so > therefore, if > he would do the DNA testing (well, he hasn't agreed to it yet), it > would be > for the surname, Johnson - not Thomas, not Gilbert, not Clark, or any > of the > other names we're related to. This is all I know, but you mentioned > that > other person not having the surname of Thomas. Well, then, you can't > go by > him, I don't think. Am I right on this, everybody? > > Sue Howard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rory Thomas" <rbethomas99@hotmail.com> > To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: [THOMAS] test > > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it >> now! >> http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rory, A twelve marker match would be more significant ... if the match bore the same surname. Too bad your match hasn't updated his DNA test to include more markers than twelve! It's always interesting to see if the match continues at more markers. Just in case ... Rory, check your "Preference Settings" on your personal page provided by Family Tree DNA. You may have them set to only include matches within the THOMAS DNA Project. If this is the case ... change the setting to include ALL matches from Family Tree's data base. Rory, it may not seem like it now, but DNA testing is well worth the expense & frustration. For me personally, it was well worth it just to eliminate a Thomas line found in the same Georgia County, to whom, I had tried diligently for far too many years, to attach to my Thomas line. Alas, our DNA did NOT match. Thanks to DNA testing, I could FINALLY for all times disregard the other Thomas line as having any familial connection. With Sincere Regard, Carole Thomas Kane On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Rory Thomas wrote: > > Thank you all for your replys to my last message.Can i ask advice from > those of you that seem to understand this DNA thing.I followed advice > & uploaded my family tree DNA to YSEARCH,com.After browsing it showed > a link with another person,However I had a 67 point test done,& the > other person only appeared to have a 12 point test which matched > exactly the first 12 tests of my 67 points.Are these 12 matches > significant?The other male has a diffent Surname.I have emailed him > but would appreciate any advise on understanding the linc if any.Thank > you. > Rory Thomas> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:28 -0400> To: > thomas@rootsweb.com> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rory, I don't really know very much about DNA testing, except that I do know that it has to be a male doing the testing, and he has to be testing for HIS surname; for example, my brother's last name is "Johnson", so therefore, if he would do the DNA testing (well, he hasn't agreed to it yet), it would be for the surname, Johnson - not Thomas, not Gilbert, not Clark, or any of the other names we're related to. This is all I know, but you mentioned that other person not having the surname of Thomas. Well, then, you can't go by him, I don't think. Am I right on this, everybody? Sue Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Thomas" <rbethomas99@hotmail.com> To: <thomas@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: [THOMAS] test > > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 3/30/2008 2:13:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, th omas-request@rootsweb.com writes: Where in Va. were your THOMASES? Mine were in Augusta/Rockingham Co., Va. before moving on to Fairfield and Perry Counties, Ohio. Hmmmm two Marilyn's on this group with Thomas family from Virginia. I am going to be Marilyn in Mississippi to keep myself straight. <smile> My Thomas line Spottsylvania, Orange, Culpeper -- they did not move -- just the county lines changed One branch to NC -- Guilford/Rockingham My branch-- Ky Fayette and surrounding counties 1760 then on to Ohio by 1810 with twigs going onto Indiana Probably the only German THOMAS family known to man -- started out as THOMA. <smile> Take care. Marilyn in Mississippi **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

I can trace my husband's Thomas family to John and Polley (Mary) Thomas of Bedford Co., VA. Their son - who family legend says was adopted (unproven) - Thomas Tate Thomas was born there in 1851-2 (different records and gravestone). He married Mary Elizabeth Divers in Franklin Co. at her parents' home and his descendants lived there in Rocky Mount and surrounds until approx. 1913 and moved to OH. No records, to date, have uncovered anything about John and Polley who are listed as his parents on his marriage certificate. Jan Thomas Colorado Springs Marilyn I Cherrone wrote: > I will check with my sister tomorrow. She has a little more information then > I do right now. I have gotten behind on things this year. > Marilyn > I know they then came to Indiana > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Vrgfdonna@aol.com > Date: 03/29/08 15:54:59 > To: thomas@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] A DNA story > > Marilyn, > Where in Va. were your THOMASES? Mine were in Augusta/Rockingham Co., Va. > before moving on to Fairfield and Perry Counties, Ohio. > Velma > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol > com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I will check with my sister tomorrow. She has a little more information then I do right now. I have gotten behind on things this year. Marilyn I know they then came to Indiana -------Original Message------- From: Vrgfdonna@aol.com Date: 03/29/08 15:54:59 To: thomas@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [THOMAS] A DNA story Marilyn, Where in Va. were your THOMASES? Mine were in Augusta/Rockingham Co., Va. before moving on to Fairfield and Perry Counties, Ohio. Velma **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, Where in Va. were your THOMASES? Mine were in Augusta/Rockingham Co., Va. before moving on to Fairfield and Perry Counties, Ohio. Velma **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

And where did the Irish come from? We do need to keep in mind that a lot of old genealogies are fraudulent. At one time (maybe still???) it was "fashionable" to be able to produce your family tree. Wealthier people would pay to have their family tree created. I'm sure some of those are still floating around in spite of the few centuries that have passed.. That's why sources are so important. It's my understanding that any family history beyond the year 1000A.D. is questionable because the few records that are, are hard to access. It doesn't mean that no genealogies before 1000 A.D. are valid - just that valid ones are probably rare, or unprovable. I've heard people say their family has been traced back to Adam. Even in our recent times, there was a man who lived between (aprx) 1890 and 1942 who made quite a good living producing genealogies for wealthy people. I have his name and the list of some family histories he produced. Caution is strongly advised when using these pedigrees. A couple of my family lines are among that list. When I come across the article, I'll pass along more info for any one interested. I try to remember to pray for grumps. They need all the help they can get to bring some joy into their lives. Maybe prayer would turn this man's heart. ??? You may have more male cousins hidden out there. Keep searching. I thought I only had 5 male Thomas cousins through which we might get a sample DNA. I decided to check further, and found that I actually have quite a few. It's just that they live in areas I'm not familiar with, and I don't know them, or their parents who are my closer cousins. None-the-less, if my close cousins won't do the DNA test, I can pursue the one's whom I don't know (as you did). Please don't give up because of the grump. Wanda On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:18 AM, <GNEOLOG@aol.com> wrote: > My Thomas line goes back to Virginia but they left by 1765 going on to Ky, > and NC. > > A funny/sad story. My only maternal uncle died about 4 years ago --no > childr > en, the only son of an only son of an only son etc. back to 1860. My > goal > was to start back there and locate a living male descendant for DNA > testing. > After many hours of work, I finally found one living in Georgia and gave > him a > call to introduce myself. He was not only NOT the least bit interested in > genealogy but told me that someone had already traced his family back to > Jesus > -- and the funny part-- my mom's family is Irish. So in case you did not > know > that Jesus was Irish-- now you do. The sad thing is -- I still don't have > a > DNA sample. Oh and of course, he did not bother to hang onto the paper > with > all this proof. I sent him a follow up letter with documentation for his > family, with a return stamped envelope and -- not even a thank you. Take > care all. > Marilyn > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > ( > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America

i have thomas in va,ky i have been looking for the parents of Joseph thomas who married sophia elizabeth harris d/o william harris and catherine ely, joseph thomas is said to have been born abt 1823 in va GNEOLOG@aol.com wrote: My Thomas line goes back to Virginia but they left by 1765 going on to Ky, and NC. A funny/sad story. My only maternal uncle died about 4 years ago --no childr en, the only son of an only son of an only son etc. back to 1860. My goal was to start back there and locate a living male descendant for DNA testing. After many hours of work, I finally found one living in Georgia and gave him a call to introduce myself. He was not only NOT the least bit interested in genealogy but told me that someone had already traced his family back to Jesus -- and the funny part-- my mom's family is Irish. So in case you did not know that Jesus was Irish-- now you do. The sad thing is -- I still don't have a DNA sample. Oh and of course, he did not bother to hang onto the paper with all this proof. I sent him a follow up letter with documentation for his family, with a return stamped envelope and -- not even a thank you. Take care all. Marilyn **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THOMAS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.

My Thomas line goes back to Virginia but they left by 1765 going on to Ky, and NC. A funny/sad story. My only maternal uncle died about 4 years ago --no childr en, the only son of an only son of an only son etc. back to 1860. My goal was to start back there and locate a living male descendant for DNA testing. After many hours of work, I finally found one living in Georgia and gave him a call to introduce myself. He was not only NOT the least bit interested in genealogy but told me that someone had already traced his family back to Jesus -- and the funny part-- my mom's family is Irish. So in case you did not know that Jesus was Irish-- now you do. The sad thing is -- I still don't have a DNA sample. Oh and of course, he did not bother to hang onto the paper with all this proof. I sent him a follow up letter with documentation for his family, with a return stamped envelope and -- not even a thank you. Take care all. Marilyn **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

I've sort of been following the DNA testing that has been going on and now have some questions. (1) What do all the numbers mean in the chart? (2) My grandparents had no male heirs, therefore, we don't have any men who can be tested. How do I find out if we are related to any of those who have participated in the testing? (3) Just an observation here: I noticied on the list of participants that none of them had Thomas' ending up in Virginia. As a result of the participants listed, how do I find out if I am related to them in any way? Their pedigrees ended everywhere but in VA. Thanks, Sharon