I would like to ask about the Thomas DNA project. We have done it for our Harkey/Herche genealogy with wonderful results.... those that we thought matched did! Also part of one for the Berry family, my dad is a Berry. Granted, Thomas and Berry are much harder to trace than Herche/Harkey, but there are matches in any case. This is a little different. I have been searching in vain for Edward Thomas from Jackson, MS to no avail. Have not even found anyone that has this man in their line or knows anything of him. Here is what little I know. Edward Thomas (middle initial either G , E or I ). Born somewhere between 1921 and 1926, possibly. He was in the army, last stationed at Frankfurt - Höchst. Seems he was with Supply, his rank is assumed to have been 1st Sergeant or Master Sergeant. His stripes were three up, three down and "something" in the middle. He was stationed there from 1960 until Oct 31-Nov1 1962 when he left Germany and went to Fort Dix to seperate. He left an address behind in Jackson MS, PO something or other. No one remembers. He recieved mail there until the spring of 1963, after that his mail was returned as undeliverable. Last thing heard from him was that his health was not good and he was having trouble finding work. I am an adoptee who has searched and found birth parents, in that search I found my half brother, Edward Thomas is his father. The boy was given the name Thomas, after his father. Last name was Bornkessel. He was born November 4, 1962. Edward had been sending $$ for his son's upkeep until he just disappeared. It was said he was married and had 2 children, in 1961/2 they would have been 13 and 15, a boy and a girl, no idea of the birth order. Odd thing was, in the 2 years he was stationed in Germany he never once went to the states to see his kids, nor did his family ever visit. Who knows if its even true at all, his marriage et al. I know the name was right, thats what his military name plate said. No way to fudge that. In any case, could my brother toss his DNA into the ring and see if anyone matches? He lives in Germany but I don't think that matters at all. Since we have had no luck finding Edward, maybe he matches someone and can start from there? I know this can be very sensitive.... TIA, Nina

Here are two female Thomas marriages in Putnam Co., Georgia: Sarah E. Thomas married William Fears on July 13, 1855 Polly Thomas married Benjamin Lacey on December 19, 1820 Sue Howard

Hello all, I caught your discussion about a Thomas DNA project. I have a brother living in Seattle, a direct descendant of a Thomas line. We go back to Henry Thomas b. ca 1736 in VA, his son Walker Thomas b. ca 1770 in VA. I understand Henry's son John Thomas moved to Iredell Co. NC and his many children spread out to Kentucky and on westward. Also, wouldn't be surprised if some ended up in Tennessee. I just haven't followed that lilne, as it isn't directly mine, but there is alot of info on it. Just wondering if any of you Tennesse-Thomas descendants think it might tie into this Henry Thomas line and how much it cost to be one of the participants. I think my brother would do it if I asked and it isn't too much money. It is a very interesting idea. Judy (Thomas)Snowden [email protected] >From: "Barbara Fitzmaurice" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [THOMAS] DNA Project >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:51:04 -0400 > >I think this is a good idea but I have question. Or rather want to confirm >what I think. > >The males that are tested have to be from the paternal side and the direct >male descendant? Father, son, grandson, gr-grandson, gr-gr-grandson? A >direct line of male descendants? And someone mentioned that this could go >on >to maybe 30 generations down the line? > >I am going to have to dig up some male cousins that will do this, since my >brother has already passed away. My sons wouldn't fit the criteria. Has to >be direct male descendants if I have this right. I think I can find someone >to pitch in here. > >Can someone find out what the costs would be assuming we have over 9 >volunteers so we can get that better rate? > >It would also be good to have someone head up the project that has the time >and understands how it works. Some have been through this with their other >branches like Bruce for the Barretts so he may know a little more and give >us a hand? > >Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice >Michigan >Jacob Thomas line - died 1804 Maryville, Blount Co., TN > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce P Barrett [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:50 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > >Hi, >You can see the Barrett Surname Project by going to >http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project2.htm > >Bruce P. Barrett >[email protected] >Heath, OH USA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Hi Virginia, > > > > My (Bonnie) name comes from my mother who is also a Bonnie. She is >Bonnie > > Kate, named for Bonny Kate, wife of the first Governor of Tennessee ( >John > > Sevier). > > > > The best place to look for information is on the www.familytreedna.com > > website. The test requires a male as it is a Y-chromosome test. The > > Y-chrom. is passed from father to son to son, etc. without any mutation > > within about 30 generations (I think). Therefore, in our case, it will >be >a > > THOMAS male as the line cannot be broken. > > > > It is not a complete DNA test. From what I understand, only those >markers > > that show the genealogical ties? FamilyTreeDNA posts the results on >their > > site, but only by number. Unless we share those results with each >other, > > the names are not known. > > > > My DRAKE family had a separate site where only those names were posted. > > They were identified by the progenitor of that line, based on the > > researchers work. We were able to connect several lines, not previously > > known to relate. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Virginia A." <[email protected]> > > To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > Hello Bonnie, > > > > > > What happens to the DNA results after this is done? Do you know why >it > > can > > > only be a male? I am going to try to work on one of my brothers and >see >if > > > he will do it for me. I don't know if he will or not. > > > > > > Just a side note: My mother wanted to name me Bonnie. My father's >middle > > > name was Bonnell. He hated it so I got named Virginia instead. > > > > > > Virginia (Thomas) in Seattle > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:44 AM > > > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in >the > > > DNA > > > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three >East > > > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > Need list assistance? Please contact: > > [email protected] > > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D > > > > > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Need list assistance? 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Here are some more female Thomas marriages in Gwinnett Co., GA: Mary C. Thomas married John S. Brand in 1883 Emma Thomas m. W. L. Burel in 1878 Dora E. Thomas m. George A. Campbell in 1885 Luvenia Thomas m. General Carter in 1895 Allie Thomas m. J. R. Garner in 1897 Leila Thomas m. J. H. Gresham in 1893 M. E. (female) Thomas m. F. M. Hamilton in 1899 Mary R. Thomas m. J. K. Hughes in 1882 Emma Thomas m. G. B. Knight in 1896 (same as above Emma Thomas - I don't know) Lucinda Thomas m. R. P. Martin in 1872 Mary Thomas m. J. A. Patillo in 1848 Ellen S. Thomas m. John T. Robins in 1896 W. M. Thomas (female) m. Manassas Sammon in 1847 Martha C. Thomas m. W. A. Truehart in 1898 C. E. Thomas (female) m. W. T. Wallis or Walis in 1879 Eula Thomas m. William Wilson in 1899 Sorry for the initials but that's the way they were listed. All the Thomas marriages I've given you today came from a book called "Gwinnett County Georgia Marriages - 1840 through 1900". Alphabetized by Mrs. Aldyne J. Maltbie of Atlanta, GA in 1977 (well, the male Thomas marriages were alphabetized). I quickly scanned each page for female Thomas marriages so hope I didn't miss any. Actually, I guess it was just an index, as the message in front of all these pages says, "We are indebted to Mrs. Maltbie for allowing us to publish her INDEX TO GWINNETT COUNTY MARRIAGES. This was apparently the Georgia Genealogical Society stating this. Sue Howard

Hi, Reading the Thomas DNA messages I happened to remember that there is a Jefferson D Thomas buried in the John Crisman Barrett Family Cemetery in Russell County, Virginia. I don't have the inscription but could probably get it if someone is interested. He probably died around 1900. Jefferson D Thomas (s/o Samuel B Thomas & Matilda J Pool, h/o Martha F Vermillion) (He was the father of Ira Thomas and grandfather of Jeff Thomas) Bruce P. Barrett [email protected] Heath, OH USA

Hi Barb, You are not the only Thomas in Michigan. It is beautiful here today! Richard Richard W.Thomas Royal Oak,Michigan USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Fitzmaurice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project Jacob Thomas, Blount Co. TN line

I was under the impression from another list that the price is $170 per test, no volume discount. Is this true for the Thomas project also? >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:50:06 -0400 Barbara Fitzmaurice <[email protected]> wrote. >I have my tester for the DNA project for our branch of the Thomas family so >all set for our participation. > >We need a descendant from Sullivan Co., TN line, Sevier Co., TN line yet I >think? And any others that are curious. Some know which lines they are in >and others don't. We need MD, PA, VA, GA, SC,.........all the different >areas where Thomas families settled. > >Any others that want to get in on this? Post to the list and let us all >know. It would be interesting to get as many as possible to see how and if >any of the lines do connect. I guess we need a count to see what the best >possible price will be. > >Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice >Michigan > http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/KinshipofJThomas1.html >http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/index.html > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

I found these Thomas individuals (don't know if they were a family or not) in NESHOBA COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI in 1860: John Thomas John S. Thomas Mary Thomas Susan W. Thomas I don't know anything else about them - age, where born - nothing. I just happened to have a list of people who lived in Neshoba County, MS in 1860. Sue Howard

Well, I decided to go ahead and skip to the "T's" on my list of marriages in Gwinnett County, Georgia. I am typing up marriages for Gwinnett Co., GA as a volunteer. Here they are and PLEASE DON'T ASK IF I HAVE ANY OTHER MARRIAGES ANYWHERE ELSE IN GEORGIA OR IN ANY OTHER STATE. It's not that I wouldn't be very happy to give them to you, but I just don't have them. Unfortunately, this list only gives the year - not the specific month and day. Also, a lot of them are just initials for the men. B. T. Thomas and Emma Clark married in 1877 (see what I mean?) Benjamin J. Thomas and Lucinda Puckett m. 1845 Benjamin L. Thomas and Eliza Helton m. 1883 David Thomas and Cora McElvaney m. 1897 David Thomas and Rachel Brooks m. 1879 Drury Thomas and Mary Holbrooks m. 1849 F. M. Thomas and M. C. Kagle m. 1863 (I think these are the same people as on the next line) F. M. Thomas and N. C. Kagle m. 1863 George L. Thomas and Mary Clack m. 1887 G. W. Thomas and S. A. Hadaway m. 1874 H. C. Thomas and Victoria Sudderth m. 1879 H. P. Thomas and Anne Pharr m. 1894 I. W. Thomas and Elizabeth P. Horton m. 1852 Isaac W. Thomas and Permelia Kilgore m. 1846 J. A. Thomas and Maggie Hale m. 1872 J. E. Thomas and Evie Shumake m. 1898 James M. Thomas and Cynthia J. Hazelrigs m. 1886 Lovick P. Thomas and Jane Peeples m. 1857 R. L. Thomas and Eufala Pickins m. 1897 Rufus J. Thomas and Ellie May Jones m. 1895 Scott Thomas and Caroline Sheals m. 1874 Thomas Thomas and Bell Crow m. 1899 W. H. Thomas and R. F. J. Brafberry m. 1880 W. S. Thomas and Mary Garman m. 1870 Okay, that was it for the male grooms with the Thomas. Now, I can go back and look for all the females who got married in Gwinnett Co. (mostly all in the 1850's through 1890's) - some earlier and some a little later. But this will take a little time. Sue Howard

I have my tester for the DNA project for our branch of the Thomas family so all set for our participation. We need a descendant from Sullivan Co., TN line, Sevier Co., TN line yet I think? And any others that are curious. Some know which lines they are in and others don't. We need MD, PA, VA, GA, SC,.........all the different areas where Thomas families settled. Any others that want to get in on this? Post to the list and let us all know. It would be interesting to get as many as possible to see how and if any of the lines do connect. I guess we need a count to see what the best possible price will be. Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice Michigan http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/KinshipofJThomas1.html http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/index.html

> think? And any others that are curious. Some know which lines they are in > and others don't. We need MD, PA, VA, GA, SC,.........all the different > areas where Thomas families settled. > Any others that want to get in on this? Post to the list and let us all > know. My THOMAS line is from Anthony Thomas, b 1797 at Windham co., CT. Not a Southern line, but many New Englanders, unwilling to be either Patriot or Tory, fled south just prior to the American Revolution. Some 200 families ended up in Vicksburg, MS, while others dropped off along the route, in SC, GA and AL. Might be a possible direction to look, for those of you who cannot get your lines back any further than the mid-1770's... Julie Hesson, author, "Mason County, WV, Marriages, 1806-1915"

I have hit a roadblock in finding the parents or other information on my ggggfather,, William Thomas and/or his spouse, Mary. William Thomas was born in New York on 2 Nov 1779 and died 20 March 1850 in Millstone Twp, Monmouth Co NJ. He married Mary (unknown) who was born 1785 Pennsylvania. We do not know where the marriage occurred, whether in PA or NY, or when it occurred. We do not know when the family migrated to NJ, but we have some records showing Ezekiel was born in NY in 1806 and Sarah was born in NJ in 1812. William and Mary Thomas' children were: Lucy Ann Thomas Ezekiel Thomas b. 13 Oct 1806, d 26 Sept 1889 Monmouth Co, NJ (my gggfather) Margaret Thomas b 10 Dec 1807 m Joseph Smires Charles Thomas b 16 Aug 1809 Rebecca Thomas b. abt 1811 Sarah Thomas b 21 Nov 1816 William Thomas Jr. b 3 Oct 1820 d. after 1880.

I think this is a good idea but I have question. Or rather want to confirm what I think. The males that are tested have to be from the paternal side and the direct male descendant? Father, son, grandson, gr-grandson, gr-gr-grandson? A direct line of male descendants? And someone mentioned that this could go on to maybe 30 generations down the line? I am going to have to dig up some male cousins that will do this, since my brother has already passed away. My sons wouldn't fit the criteria. Has to be direct male descendants if I have this right. I think I can find someone to pitch in here. Can someone find out what the costs would be assuming we have over 9 volunteers so we can get that better rate? It would also be good to have someone head up the project that has the time and understands how it works. Some have been through this with their other branches like Bruce for the Barretts so he may know a little more and give us a hand? Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice Michigan Jacob Thomas line - died 1804 Maryville, Blount Co., TN -----Original Message----- From: Bruce P Barrett [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project Hi, You can see the Barrett Surname Project by going to http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project2.htm Bruce P. Barrett [email protected] Heath, OH USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > Hi Virginia, > > My (Bonnie) name comes from my mother who is also a Bonnie. She is Bonnie > Kate, named for Bonny Kate, wife of the first Governor of Tennessee ( John > Sevier). > > The best place to look for information is on the www.familytreedna.com > website. The test requires a male as it is a Y-chromosome test. The > Y-chrom. is passed from father to son to son, etc. without any mutation > within about 30 generations (I think). Therefore, in our case, it will be a > THOMAS male as the line cannot be broken. > > It is not a complete DNA test. From what I understand, only those markers > that show the genealogical ties? FamilyTreeDNA posts the results on their > site, but only by number. Unless we share those results with each other, > the names are not known. > > My DRAKE family had a separate site where only those names were posted. > They were identified by the progenitor of that line, based on the > researchers work. We were able to connect several lines, not previously > known to relate. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia A." <[email protected]> > To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Hello Bonnie, > > > > What happens to the DNA results after this is done? Do you know why it > can > > only be a male? I am going to try to work on one of my brothers and see if > > he will do it for me. I don't know if he will or not. > > > > Just a side note: My mother wanted to name me Bonnie. My father's middle > > name was Bonnell. He hated it so I got named Virginia instead. > > > > Virginia (Thomas) in Seattle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:44 AM > > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in the > > DNA > > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three East > > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Need list assistance? Please contact: > [email protected] > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== Need list assistance? Please contact: [email protected] List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003

Hi, You can see the Barrett Surname Project by going to http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project2.htm Bruce P. Barrett [email protected] Heath, OH USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > Hi Virginia, > > My (Bonnie) name comes from my mother who is also a Bonnie. She is Bonnie > Kate, named for Bonny Kate, wife of the first Governor of Tennessee ( John > Sevier). > > The best place to look for information is on the www.familytreedna.com > website. The test requires a male as it is a Y-chromosome test. The > Y-chrom. is passed from father to son to son, etc. without any mutation > within about 30 generations (I think). Therefore, in our case, it will be a > THOMAS male as the line cannot be broken. > > It is not a complete DNA test. From what I understand, only those markers > that show the genealogical ties? FamilyTreeDNA posts the results on their > site, but only by number. Unless we share those results with each other, > the names are not known. > > My DRAKE family had a separate site where only those names were posted. > They were identified by the progenitor of that line, based on the > researchers work. We were able to connect several lines, not previously > known to relate. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia A." <[email protected]> > To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Hello Bonnie, > > > > What happens to the DNA results after this is done? Do you know why it > can > > only be a male? I am going to try to work on one of my brothers and see if > > he will do it for me. I don't know if he will or not. > > > > Just a side note: My mother wanted to name me Bonnie. My father's middle > > name was Bonnell. He hated it so I got named Virginia instead. > > > > Virginia (Thomas) in Seattle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:44 AM > > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in the > > DNA > > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three East > > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Need list assistance? Please contact: > [email protected] > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D > >

Hi Virginia, My (Bonnie) name comes from my mother who is also a Bonnie. She is Bonnie Kate, named for Bonny Kate, wife of the first Governor of Tennessee ( John Sevier). The best place to look for information is on the www.familytreedna.com website. The test requires a male as it is a Y-chromosome test. The Y-chrom. is passed from father to son to son, etc. without any mutation within about 30 generations (I think). Therefore, in our case, it will be a THOMAS male as the line cannot be broken. It is not a complete DNA test. From what I understand, only those markers that show the genealogical ties? FamilyTreeDNA posts the results on their site, but only by number. Unless we share those results with each other, the names are not known. My DRAKE family had a separate site where only those names were posted. They were identified by the progenitor of that line, based on the researchers work. We were able to connect several lines, not previously known to relate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia A." <[email protected]> To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > Hello Bonnie, > > What happens to the DNA results after this is done? Do you know why it can > only be a male? I am going to try to work on one of my brothers and see if > he will do it for me. I don't know if he will or not. > > Just a side note: My mother wanted to name me Bonnie. My father's middle > name was Bonnell. He hated it so I got named Virginia instead. > > Virginia (Thomas) in Seattle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:44 AM > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in the > DNA > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three East > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > > > >

Hi Bill, That would be great. In theory, yours should match my brother's dna. We just did this in my CRISP family. I believe we needed 9 participants to get the better pricing on the kits. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > Bonnie, > > As as far as I am aware no mention has been made of such a project, I would > agree to participate if enough members could found to get the project under > way. > > Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 PM > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in the > DNA > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three East > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > >

Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in the DNA project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three East Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. Bonnie Thomas Chaffin

Still looking for information on David Thomas, whose will was probated in Albemarle CO. Virginia in 1819. Wife Anne (Rodes/Rhodes?); children named in will were James, John, William A., Samuel, Eliza, Carver, Kemp, Rhodes and Archelaus. Archelaus was born 1796, married 1820 to Rachel Baber (daughter of George Baber and Rachel Dowell) He died in Rockbridge Co. Va. 1875 Kemp born ca. 1780, married 1805 to Nancy Baber (daughter of John and Mary Baber) He died in Wythe Co., Va. in 1865. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Pam Thomas

Somehow I never got Sam Thomas' message in my Thomas List digest, so I'll try to cover both messages in this one. 1. Isham Thomas and Emeline Wiggins marriage - The Randolph County. GA, records list this marriage twice: Isham Thomas & Emeline Wiggins - 7/10/1838 Isham Thompson & Emeline Wiggins - 7/10/1838 Evidently there is a question as to if the groom is a Thomas or a Thompson. Both surnames are in the 1840 census for the county, but only Thompson in the 1830 census. I have not pulled the original marriage record to try to decipher it myself, so I guess the question will remain. However, I think it is moot regarding Isham J. and Ivey A. Thomas as they almost certainly are not from that marriage even if it was my Isham. (see #3). 2. The Isham Thomas and kin I am referring to are "white" on the available records. 3. Isham J. Thomas and Ivey A. Thomas - These two are listed at the end of the Isham B. Thomas household on the 1860 Alachua County, FL, census and clearly out of order with the children of Isham B. and Mary. This indicates they are not Isham B.' children and merely people living there as was the other household member, William Hagler. Additionally, I have established that Ivey A.'s father was William M. Thomas of Madison County, FL, and Ivey was born there in 1840. Fortunately, there was a will in this case. Isham J. 's birth info is shown as 1844 in Tatnall County, GA on his Florida Confederate Pension Application. His father is listed as "William" on Isham J.'s death certificate and Isham J.'s birth information is again shown as 1844 in Tatnall County, GA.. The two fathers (William) do not *appear* to be the same person. Ivey's father's will specified his sons Ivey and William (yes, another William!) and made no mention of any other offspring. I also suspect that Isham J. and Ivey A. are probably related (nephews?) to Isham B. and joined him when he moved to Alachua County, FL, in 1850-51. But I have not been able to find out how. 4. Isham B. Thomas - date and place of birth The conflicting 1850 (Lowndes Co., GA) and 1860 (Alachua Co., FL) census information as to his birth date is further compounded by his tombstone. The tombstone shows he died December 18, 1868 at the age of 65 years, making his birth in about 1803. I suppose all that proves is that we have not 2 but now 3 notoriously unreliable sources showing his year of birth as 1815, 1812 and 1803 respectively. However, I suspect the time range is probably close. Isham B.'s place of birth is really up in the air. It is shown as Georgia on the census records. I have no documentation or even semi-firm additional evidence beyond that. Bulloch County, GA, is suspected only because of a real estate transaction there on June 6. 1835 giving land to his sister. That is the earliest record I have of him. The conveyance was for "good will, love and affection" (looks like a quit claim situation). His sister, Mary Odom, was married at the time of the conveyance. Mary Thomas was married in 1817 to James Odom in Bulloch County and her first surviving child was born in 1826. I'm guessing she was probably born around 1800 or so. If I had to bet, I would guess Isham B. was born closer to 1803 than 1815. There is also a son of Isham B. named George Bulloch Thomas. May or may not mean anything. Also, I do not know what the "B" in Isham B.'s name stands for. There is another researcher who believes Isham B. was born in Decatur County, GA, but I have not been able to contact her to evaluate her source(s). Her email is no longer valid. Maybe she will read this list! I agree with Sam that there are obviously two Isham Thomases in Georgia before 1835 and another (Isham J.) after 1844. Related? Probably. But as they say, the devil is in the details. It looks like Isham B. bounced all over the state: Bulloch County (east side) to Decatur County (west side) to Lowndes County (middle) and finally south to Alachua County, FL. that I know of. Isham B. wasn't afraid of moving, so it is entirely possible that the Franklin County (extreme northeast GA) Isham could be part of the footloose family. Again, what I have on these folks is online at http://www.thomasgenealogy.net so I won't repeat it all again here. Jeff Thomas On 12 Oct 2003 at 7:19, K Powell wrote: Date sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: K Powell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [THOMAS] Re: Isham B THOMAS Another thing or few. Apparently there were a *lot* of black Isham Thomases in GA early 1800s and then again later in the Alachua County FL. Another bit of lore I picked up (commonsense historically) for the couple I researched for my niece was made plain in the father's will - bequesting slaves and livestock. Those 2 young men mentioned at the end of the Isham B Thomas 1860 census, Isham and Ivey (name it looked like to me) may possibly have been mulatto slaves or even by an indian mother. By their ages my 1st instinct is to take them as sons or at least nephews of Isham. I gave a cursory, quick shot at trying to find them on 1850 under surnames Thomas and Wiggins, no luck. I'd thought maybe if their mother died, her parents or siblings took on those 2 boys while the papa got re-married and settled. I did not look for Wiggins outside of GA to AL AR MS, the next moves on the migration route from that time/place. At ancestry.com/rootsweb's family trees, I wasn't much surprised to find that Ishams also pop up in NC and VA, the beginning of the route. --- Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > APPLES & ORANGES ... apples in North Georgia ... oranges in Florida. > > DECATUR CO, GA and FRANKLIN CO., GA are at opposite ends and side of the > states, SOUTHWEST and NORTHEAST, respectively. > > We have established that ISHAM B. THOMAS was born between 1812 - 1815, as > evidenced by the 1850 & 1860 U.S. Federal Census. > > ISHAM THOMAS on the 1801 TAX LIST was a head of household, at least 18 years > old & born before 1793, and in north Georgia. He may have been the father of > your ISHAM B. THOMAS ... maybe! But there were CLEARLY two different ISHAM > THOMASes in Georgia between 1801 and 1850. > > So, if your ISHAM was born between 1812 - 1815, where was he born? He is > clearly not in BULLOCH CO. on the 1830 Census at the age of 15 - 18 years > old. So. let's have a look at the Census for all counties on a line from > Franklin Co. to Lowndes Co. Do you know with CERTAINTY ... not guess work > ... that he was born in BULLOCH CO., GA? He might have been on the 1820 > Census under a household at age 5 - 8 years old in Bulloch Co., GA. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Powell" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Isham B THOMAS > > > ancestry.com Georgia Marriages to 1850 > > > > Randolph County Georgia Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1838 > > Thomas Wiggins, Isham Emeline > > Spouse: Thomas, Isham > > Wiggins, Emeline > > > > Decatur County Georgia Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1846 > > Thomas Ulmer, Isham Mary > > Spouse: Thomas, Isham > > Ulmer, Mary > > > > Georgia Census, 1790-1890 (and who is this, 1801 - papa?) > > > > THOMAS, ISHAM > > State: GA Year: 1801 > > County: Franklin County Record Type: Tax List > > Township: Tax List 1801 Page: 004 > > Database: GA 1792-1819 Tax Lists Index > > > > THOMAS, ISHAM B. > > State: GA Year: 1850 > > County: Lowndes County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > > Township: 53rd Division Page: 385 > > Database: GA 1850 Federal Census Index > > > > 1860 census has these 2: > > THOMAS, ISHAM B. > > State: FL Year: 1860 > > County: Alachua County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > > Township: Division 17 Page: 087 > > Database: FL 1860 Federal Census Index > > (also, next page, following the younger children) > > THOMAS, ISHAM on Page: 088 > > *which may mean that Isham b abt 1843 and Ivey abt 1842 may be Emeline > Wiggins' > > sons. These 2 were not on the 1850 census with Isham and Mary. > > > > Kaye in Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ______________________________

I know there are millions of Thomas families, and after having been a member of the Thomas List for a couple of years, other than the messages I have put on about my own family, I have never seen anything close to them. Here it is once again, and I hope someone recognizes this family. Thank you. Albert James Thomas, my great grandfather, was born in Cheddar, Somerset, England on 1 September 1866. He married Louisa Maria Coombe in 1888, and she was from the Bath area. I have been told Albert James Thomas' parents were Elizabeth (no surname yet) and James Thomas. James was apparently from Cheddar and possibly Elizabeth was of Wedmore. James Thomas died about 1866. Elizabeth remarried to George Evans Jr. I believe Albert James Thomas had a brother named Arthur, born in 1863, who married a Miss King. Eventually Albert James Thomas and his wife, Louisa Maria Coombe, came to Cayuga County, NY, and had one daughter, Jennie Leonora - - my grandmother, b. in 1889. Albert James died in 1903, and Louis Maria died in 1907 They are buried in Owasco Rural Cemetery, Cayuga County, NY.