I'm a Thomas, but also a Wells on the maternal side. The Wells Family Research Association has been engaged in the DNA testing program for some time and the results can be seen at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnaproje/results1.html. My Thomas line is an "orphan" line, as I and two male cousins have no male children, and can find no living male relative among all those born after about 1830 except ourselves. My interest in the DNA project is to try to find a link between my family and some of the rest of you, hoping that knowing that will enable me to find a convential link with documentation. It would sure help those of us with common names to have a target family and location to aim at. There's a good description of the DNA project within the Wells home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html Sincerely, Jim Thomas

My line (John Thomas, Sr. b. 1710, Henrico County, VA and Winifred Dameron) has been pretty well researched. Is the anybody out there who is trying to connect to my line? In other words. will my participation actually benefit anyone? Bonnie Thomas Chaffin wrote: > Ok... so far I have the following names as being interested in participating. Please send any additions or corrections to my email: [email protected] > > Jim Thomas Bill Thomas > Barb Thomas Fitzmaurice Judy Thomas Snowden > Marta Nina Harkey > Wayne Thomas Carrie Thomas-Dominquez > Michael Thomas Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > Some maybe's: > Julie Hesson > Jack Thomas > Richard Thomas > > PLEASE let me know what other questions everyone might have. If I don't know the answer or can't find it, I'll find someone who does know. > > Bonnie > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > If you're not already a Rootsweb member, please join with us! > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html -- "Be careful how you live. You may be the only Bible some people will ever read". If you can't explain it to your mother or grandmother, don't do it. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA http://home.pacbell.net/wthomas1/ Wayne <><

Hi All Thank you Sam & Candy for the concerns and for the points of concern. I am certainly interested in hearing all that can be said (pro & con) about this idea before we jump in and do it. I am the one who wrote to the list asking if there was any interest. My only motivation is that I have seen good results in my Drake family (see results at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdrake71053/DrakeDnaResults.html ). I would love to find a way to find possible links between the 2-3 east Tennessee THOMAS families and suggested this as a possibility. I am in no way affiliated with FamilyTreeDNA.com and only understand as much about the process as is posted on their site. As the volunteer group admin. of the project....IF we choice to participate, I have received information as to how we should proceed. I will type that up and send it along to the list within the next hour. Thank you again for all the thoughts and comments. Bonnie Thomas Chaffin ----- Original Message ----- From: "candywagner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Y-DNA Testing for Paternal Determination > I agree with Sam, and would like to add that coincidentally (?) there has > also been a sudden surge in soliciting DNA interest on my Cain-L list. Not > sure where the interst originated on either list, but we ought to be sure > there isn't someone actively stirring up the Rootsweb lists over this. I am > not a big believer in coincidences. > On the plus side, this is the most activity on this list in years, and I > have heard from Thomas descendents that I didn't realize were out there. > Candy > > >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:59:50 -0400 Sam Thomas <[email protected]th.net> > wrote. > >I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS list. > There are pros and cons to this. > > > >1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 > marker test. > > > >2. And, certainly, the 25 marker test is more accurate [99.999 There, > however, still remains a 1 in 100,000 person mismatch or 10 in 1 million or > 3650 in 365 million. So, totally conclusive it is NOT! If you have evidence, > from census or other record, that you are the descendant of "JOHN DOE", you > probably are. DNA testing would simply confirm it ... if ... > > > >3. And to the end of that confirmation, one has to have a valid, ancestors > DNA sample for testing. > >OK .... so, who is going to have grandpa and great grandpa exhumed? :-) > >And, at what cost, both financially and in family discontent? This level of > DNA testing is, obvious, NOT inexpensive. > > > >4. These are PATERNITY tests, requiring a test sample from a male member of > the family. If you are male descendant, or have a living brother or cousin, > you have a chance. The farther off of the main family line you are or your > sample donor is, the lower the probability of accuracy. > > > >5. OK! So now you have your DNA charter with 25 markers. So, what do you do > with the charter? What lab is going to do the matching? More importantly, > "WHO" is doing the matching? A qualified genetics professional is required > for this and this is NOT a lab technician. These people carry a PhD behind > their name and specialize in this field, and not in art, music or business. > These are medical research professionals. > > > >In today's marketplace, whatever you do, exercise due caution in conduct of > business over the internet. Know who you are dealing with and what you are > going to receive for what you pay. There are some real scams and > scam-artists out there, just waiting to collect the money from those who do > not heed these words of warning. Don't be a victim! > > > >Otherwise, I hope each person, that participates in this DNA endeavor, > enjoys the outcome of this endeavor in good health and spirit. > > > >A concerned cousin ... > >List Administrator, ROOTSWEB.COM > > > > > > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > If you're not already a Rootsweb member, please join with us! > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > >

Hi Sam and all, And by the way, I am just a researcher of my family tree. I have no affiliations with any company, lab, advertising, nor do I even work anymore in my profession. I believe that like most all of us it is interesting to read of this development into DNA testing in genealogy. I don't know a lot about it myself and am probably one of the major doubting Thomas'. I have openly posted my hard work on my Thomas line on the Internet and I have also witnessed abuse of my information. But I think I have helped more and sure found a lot of long lost cousins, so it has been rewarding to me in that sense. Many of us shared our information, and never charged for the information. We love looking into the history of our family. I appreciate Sam's concerns and I think we all have them. We don't want to waste money on something that may be a scam, done by unscrupulous people. Some of us have looked into this and some have had the testing done and felt it opened doors for them. By us checking into the various labs and communicating with others it has helped us to learn more about the testing. And what to expect. But I do encourage people to check into this and understand it before making a decision. It is important that everyone do their own research and if you have doubts about a company or think this might not be of value than ask questions, let us know your concerns, and ultimately you may not wish to participate. Check into the lab. Check in person if you are able. I am also dubious of lab work because I know there are real bad labs out there that are used routinely for medical testing. We sometimes never have a choice in who performs the testing that we undergo to determine a specific diagnosis. Are mistakes made? You bet! Are their labs out there only to line their pockets and could care less if they contaminate samples. No doubt, because some are caught. We don't have to have anyone exhumed. We are not going to that level. At least my intentions are not to do that! We need samples from direct male descendants and most of us have done the paperwork to know which line they are in. But, we are in hopes that we can further distinguish those cousins who we think are part of the family tree but we have not being able to tie in with the paper work we have. For example, I have a George Thomas that I cannot find to be the son of my Jacob Thomas. We have about 3 George Thomas' that might fit as his son, but unable to prove which one might be a descendant and the DNA testing might rule out 2 of the George's leaving us with one that may be the direct ancestor. On a broader scale, this might also reveal that all 3 George's have a connection to Jacob. This would tie in to a larger picture that all the 3 George Thomas lines might have a common ancestor. It may not be 100% conclusive but may be enough to determine if any of the lineages do connect or do not connect. This DNA testing has been used for many years now to help fathers determine their paternity, for example. I hope that we can make use of this science to help us in deterring our Thomas lines. There is no substitute for good research and following the paper trail in old documents. This is not a short-cut by any means. A few of us heard about the DNA testing through other related families doing this. In my case a potential cousin or two or three.... e-mailed back and forth for years trying to connect our lines and then we wondered about the Y-DNA test and if this could help us? I didn't have a company solicit me. And I am not trying to drum up business for any company or individual. Thanks, Sam for pointing out things that are so important. Barb http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/KinshipofJThomas1.html http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/index.html and http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=barbfitz&id=I0783 -----Original Message----- From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS list. There are pros and cons to this. 1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 marker test. 2. And, certainly, the 25 marker test is more accurate [99.999%]. There, however, still remains a 1 in 100,000 person mismatch or 10 in 1 million or 3650 in 365 million. So, totally conclusive it is NOT! If you have evidence, from census or other record, that you are the descendant of "JOHN DOE", you probably are. DNA testing would simply confirm it ... if ... 3. And to the end of that confirmation, one has to have a valid, ancestors DNA sample for testing. OK .... so, who is going to have grandpa and great grandpa exhumed? :-) And, at what cost, both financially and in family discontent? This level of DNA testing is, obvious, NOT inexpensive. 4. These are PATERNITY tests, requiring a test sample from a male member of the family. If you are male descendant, or have a living brother or cousin, you have a chance. The farther off of the main family line you are or your sample donor is, the lower the probability of accuracy. 5. OK! So now you have your DNA charter with 25 markers. So, what do you do with the charter? What lab is going to do the matching? More importantly, "WHO" is doing the matching? A qualified genetics professional is required for this and this is NOT a lab technician. These people carry a PhD behind their name and specialize in this field, and not in art, music or business. These are medical research professionals. In today's marketplace, whatever you do, exercise due caution in conduct of business over the internet. Know who you are dealing with and what you are going to receive for what you pay. There are some real scams and scam-artists out there, just waiting to collect the money from those who do not heed these words of warning. Don't be a victim! Otherwise, I hope each person, that participates in this DNA endeavor, enjoys the outcome of this endeavor in good health and spirit. A concerned cousin ... List Administrator, ROOTSWEB.COM

Richard W.Thomas 814 Forestdale Road Royal Oak,Michigan 48067 USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: Richard William Thomas Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Thomas Hi Tammy, I am from the Welsh Thomas branch. Rees Thomas married Ann Solomon in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Wales 27 August 1852 in the parish church(Church of Wales). He was born 5 April 1821 and she 15 October 1827. His parents on his death certificate are listed as John Thomas and Martha Powell. Have no idea where Rees born or parents from. Her parents George Solomon and Mary Erasmus lived in Pembrey at the time of Ann's birth. Rees and Ann had two children in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales. Margaret born 11 October 1853 and John in 4 December 1855. Rees, Ann and the children moved to Lobo Township, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada after landing in New York City 2 July 1857. In 1870 the family with more children( Martha, Shadrach, Lydia and Hannah) moved to Kenockee Township, St. Clair County, Michigan, USA. Have much family in St. Clair and Sanilac County. Do not know about Saginaw. Richard Richard W.Thomas 814 Forestdale Road Royal Oak,Michigan 48067 USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Thomas Do you have any family in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan? I have John Thomas who married Christina Dayhle. John was born about 1830 in Prussia. Thanks for any help. Tammy Whitman Hemlock, Michgian [email protected]

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS list. > There are pros and cons to this. > > 1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 marker > test. rootsweb surname groups are getting the test kits for $99 and $169 respectively. Again, the 12 marker is useless for this purpose. Kaye in Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

I have not followed the entire thread on this exchange on the DNA testing, but have great interest in the results as well as hoping that some of my Thomas men will someday be tested. I help with the Cowan, Cowen, Cowin,Etc. DNA Project. We now have 25 kits returned with two more ordered out today. Our testing is being done by Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and the group rates make the testing within reason. The "collection" in the beginning of money is usually for the 1st 6 men - aftger the project is started, the tests can be ordered directly. To start a group project and get the group rate, you must have 6 men. I did not have to do that part of it, Bennett Greenspan took our list and fixed it. <g> We had a grant that paid for 9 men. When the grant money dried up and as interest grew each person paidfor their testing. Be sure to let people know that they pay postage on the kit both ways. The 12 marker test is nice, but you are not going to be happy with that over a long period of time so it saves $20 by doing the 25 marker test to start. Besides you then have one waiting peorid for results intead of two. It is a long long long wait even if it is only 4 to 6 weeks - the results can never seem to get to you quick enought. At this point, it is not a scam. FTDNA is just starting to get the word out about their testing and have arranged a way to let people know about them when you do surname searches at Ancestry.com - there will be a link to let you know that there is a surname project for you surname. There are over 11,000 kits that have been ordered. You learn as you go with this project, it is a private as you desire it to be and you can share as much info as you desire. You can elect to be compared with the entire DNA Database that grows daily or you can be compared only within your project. It is a well run business and appears to be a well run lab with good standards. If you have any real questions about them http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com will probably have the answer on their webpages that will help you. I know that I have had every question answered that I have ever had - as I said it is well run. The more people taking part in the tesing, the larger the database for your DNA to be compared. This is Y-DNA and they are only looking at a set group of markers, but they look at those same markers for each person. Our Cowan Project has had a lot of non-surname matches with in several of the groups. We have 4 main groups and of course one of those is the group that doesn't match any of the others. We have 10 men that make up our "large" group and they are all close matches and some exact matches, but many of them have no idea where they should connect - they are at brick walls and have been some for 50 plus years. At least now we know all of these men are kin. So it has made a big difference just knowigg what groups every one appears to fall within. It is wise to seak information about the project and we have been very pleased with FTDNA. I think that it is wonderful that you all are now thinking about a Thomas DNA Project. You need to also understand that some of the information gives results long before we desire to know or have a paper trail. I know where my Cowan line was before Ireland and Scotland - where we started early on in the world. I would of never thought that I had Centeral Asian markers, but my cousin tested out with them. If I were to place a bet and find me a male Thomas to be tested, I would bet that I will see Spainish and Centeral Asian results in the section where you look in early early history. Maybe even "Portagee" in the Tomas/Thomas Line. I am sure that there are those that have had a bad experience with DNA testing, but our Project has been wonderful. A well set up one to view to see how the results can be used is to go to http://www.familytreeDNA.com and look around to find the spot where you can type in a surname to see if there is a project - type Mills and follow their links. They have town down a lot of brick walls with their DNA testing. I just wish that some of my older family memberw were still alive so that they could take part in the testing. I will follow your Thomas DNA Project with great interest. Laura Cowan Cooper Laura Cowan Cooper Kodak, Tennessee [email protected]

Here is an example. Go to this site http://www.livingston.net/hilldna/ Then click the Frequently Asked Questions link. Question #5 may answer your question. Kaye in Texas --- Candy <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a little confused about what the project will prove, other than who in > this generation is related to who. There isn't any DNA available for our > elusive ancestors to sort out which line we are from. What is it that we > end up with, a confirmation that Joe Thomas in Arkansas is descended from > the same Thomas line as John Thomas in NC? > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [THOMAS] Re: DNA genealogy project > A couplefew comments. > > 1. You do not want to waste the money on the 12 marker test, since it's too > common among the population. Do the 25. > > 2. Sometimes if necessary, one can "sponsor" a participant that can't really > afford the test. > > 3. The project probably needs a coordinator for the surname group, or at > least > that's what I've seen done on other surname DNA projects. A web page, > perhaps > freepage at rootsweb, to publish results. Someone to set standards of one or > another sort, say of having a genealogy established back to some cutoff date > minimum. Often it's 1800. The coordinator may even be the one to order the > test > so that results are returned to him/her AND the test participant. Volunteer? > > (not me) (I have no known male Thomas anyway) > > Kaye in Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS list. There are pros and cons to this. 1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 marker test. 2. And, certainly, the 25 marker test is more accurate [99.999%]. There, however, still remains a 1 in 100,000 person mismatch or 10 in 1 million or 3650 in 365 million. So, totally conclusive it is NOT! If you have evidence, from census or other record, that you are the descendant of "JOHN DOE", you probably are. DNA testing would simply confirm it ... if ... 3. And to the end of that confirmation, one has to have a valid, ancestors DNA sample for testing. OK .... so, who is going to have grandpa and great grandpa exhumed? :-) And, at what cost, both financially and in family discontent? This level of DNA testing is, obvious, NOT inexpensive. 4. These are PATERNITY tests, requiring a test sample from a male member of the family. If you are male descendant, or have a living brother or cousin, you have a chance. The farther off of the main family line you are or your sample donor is, the lower the probability of accuracy. 5. OK! So now you have your DNA charter with 25 markers. So, what do you do with the charter? What lab is going to do the matching? More importantly, "WHO" is doing the matching? A qualified genetics professional is required for this and this is NOT a lab technician. These people carry a PhD behind their name and specialize in this field, and not in art, music or business. These are medical research professionals. In today's marketplace, whatever you do, exercise due caution in conduct of business over the internet. Know who you are dealing with and what you are going to receive for what you pay. There are some real scams and scam-artists out there, just waiting to collect the money from those who do not heed these words of warning. Don't be a victim! Otherwise, I hope each person, that participates in this DNA endeavor, enjoys the outcome of this endeavor in good health and spirit. A concerned cousin ... List Administrator, ROOTSWEB.COM

I agree with Sam, and would like to add that coincidentally (?) there has also been a sudden surge in soliciting DNA interest on my Cain-L list. Not sure where the interst originated on either list, but we ought to be sure there isn't someone actively stirring up the Rootsweb lists over this. I am not a big believer in coincidences. On the plus side, this is the most activity on this list in years, and I have heard from Thomas descendents that I didn't realize were out there. Candy >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:59:50 -0400 Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote. >I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS list. There are pros and cons to this. > >1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 marker test. > >2. And, certainly, the 25 marker test is more accurate [99.999 There, however, still remains a 1 in 100,000 person mismatch or 10 in 1 million or 3650 in 365 million. So, totally conclusive it is NOT! If you have evidence, from census or other record, that you are the descendant of "JOHN DOE", you probably are. DNA testing would simply confirm it ... if ... > >3. And to the end of that confirmation, one has to have a valid, ancestors DNA sample for testing. >OK .... so, who is going to have grandpa and great grandpa exhumed? :-) >And, at what cost, both financially and in family discontent? This level of DNA testing is, obvious, NOT inexpensive. > >4. These are PATERNITY tests, requiring a test sample from a male member of the family. If you are male descendant, or have a living brother or cousin, you have a chance. The farther off of the main family line you are or your sample donor is, the lower the probability of accuracy. > >5. OK! So now you have your DNA charter with 25 markers. So, what do you do with the charter? What lab is going to do the matching? More importantly, "WHO" is doing the matching? A qualified genetics professional is required for this and this is NOT a lab technician. These people carry a PhD behind their name and specialize in this field, and not in art, music or business. These are medical research professionals. > >In today's marketplace, whatever you do, exercise due caution in conduct of business over the internet. Know who you are dealing with and what you are going to receive for what you pay. There are some real scams and scam-artists out there, just waiting to collect the money from those who do not heed these words of warning. Don't be a victim! > >Otherwise, I hope each person, that participates in this DNA endeavor, enjoys the outcome of this endeavor in good health and spirit. > >A concerned cousin ... >List Administrator, ROOTSWEB.COM > > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > If you're not already a Rootsweb member, please join with us! > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hi THOMAS Clan~ This DNA project sounds exciting! Can links be recognized even tho I haven't been able to trace my James THOMAS ancestors back to CT -- let alone what country is their homeland--Scotland or Wales? Anyone possibly from this family? Searching James THOMAS, b.Abt 1822 in CT. m.25 Jul 1841 Litchfield Co., CT Spouse:Harriet EDGET / EDGITT, b.Abt 1825 in CT Children of James and Harriet: (that I know of) Ellen THOMAS, b.9 Apr 1844 in CT. m.Isaac MANCHESTER THOMAS ancestry possibly Scotland? EDGET ancestry possibly WALES?? Searching for these grammas is certainly difficult! Any help / comments greatly appreciated~ Marcia

I am a little confused about what the project will prove, other than who in this generation is related to who. There isn't any DNA available for our elusive ancestors to sort out which line we are from. What is it that we end up with, a confirmation that Joe Thomas in Arkansas is descended from the same Thomas line as John Thomas in NC? -----Original Message----- From: K Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [THOMAS] Re: DNA genealogy project A couplefew comments. 1. You do not want to waste the money on the 12 marker test, since it's too common among the population. Do the 25. 2. Sometimes if necessary, one can "sponsor" a participant that can't really afford the test. 3. The project probably needs a coordinator for the surname group, or at least that's what I've seen done on other surname DNA projects. A web page, perhaps freepage at rootsweb, to publish results. Someone to set standards of one or another sort, say of having a genealogy established back to some cutoff date minimum. Often it's 1800. The coordinator may even be the one to order the test so that results are returned to him/her AND the test participant. Volunteer? ( not me) (I have no known male Thomas anyway) Kaye in Texas > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:53:29 -0400 > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA project > > I'm excited that we seem to have a good number of people interested in the > DNA project. I have written to Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDNA for the > answer to some of our questions. He was their representative who helped with > the project for another of my family names. > > Once I have more information, I will post it to the list. The recent test > that I did on my CRISP family was $101.00 for the 12-marker test and I > believe we were quoted $169 + mailing costs for the 25-marker test. > > In the meantime, checkout www.familytreedna.com for answers to other > questions. > > I have started a list of names of those willing to participate.... let us > know who you are if interested. Also, I'd be happy to coordinate this. > Maybe Bruce Bennett will give me some advice/assistance in setting up a site > such as the one he has for his Bennett family??? > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== Need list assistance? Please contact: [email protected] List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D

Hi Judy, I can't say for sure one way or another if your Henry Thomas could be related to my line or not. I wonder who all his brother's and sister's were? His parents? Uncles and Aunts? Cousins? I am stuck on my Jacob Thomas who died in 1804 in Blount Co, TN and most likely was born in PA. I do not know who his siblings or his parents were, nor really confirmed his birth in PA. He had sons, George, John, Henry, who I don't even have birthdates or birth order on. He had a son Adam b. 1770, Jacob b.c 1780 and a daughter Margaret born c 1762-3. Margaret was the name of his wife and I do not know her maiden name. This was from Will of 1804, his Inventory of his Estate filed in 1804 and information from court records and deeds in Blount Co., TN. Blount Co., TN was formed from Knox Co., TN in 1795. If any of the family stayed in VA area before this time I am not sure. They could have. I would like to find more on Jacob's sons, John, Henry and George but I don't know what happened to them. They sort of disappear from Blount Co., TN and who knows which direction they went. We have had leads, but can't prove up or discount if some of the George's, Henry's or a John could be the missing sons. A Henry Thomas we think was in Blount Co. for a number of years and then left with his family for Ohio. Not sure if this could be a brother to old Jacob or not. We don't think it is his son because his age didn't quite jive. This DNA testing might rule this in or out if there is match on some of the Thomas lines that are still looking for parents. Or even prove up that the connection they have guessed on is not correct. I hope you can persuade your brother to participate in the DNA swab. It might give us an idea if we do have any relationships to your line. Bonnie is checking on all of this. It sounds like the price may be around $170. But she will let us know. If others from your line would help pitch in on the costs it would help. I know that is what I will be offering to do so that one person doesn't have to pay for the whole thing themselves. It costs a lot to research and I don't think some realize this cost. But I think this could help us connect and confirm some of the research we have already done and maybe save us some research costs in the end. At least I hope it can! Barb http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/KinshipofJThomas1.html http://www.geocities.com/blynnfitzz/index.html and http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=barbfitz&id=I0783 -----Original Message----- From: Judy Snowden [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:08 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [THOMAS] DNA Project Hello all, I caught your discussion about a Thomas DNA project. I have a brother living in Seattle, a direct descendant of a Thomas line. We go back to Henry Thomas b. ca 1736 in VA, his son Walker Thomas b. ca 1770 in VA. I understand Henry's son John Thomas moved to Iredell Co. NC and his many children spread out to Kentucky and on westward. Also, wouldn't be surprised if some ended up in Tennessee. I just haven't followed that lilne, as it isn't directly mine, but there is alot of info on it. Just wondering if any of you Tennesse-Thomas descendants think it might tie into this Henry Thomas line and how much it cost to be one of the participants. I think my brother would do it if I asked and it isn't too much money. It is a very interesting idea. Judy (Thomas)Snowden [email protected]l.com >From: "Barbara Fitzmaurice" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [THOMAS] DNA Project >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:51:04 -0400 > >I think this is a good idea but I have question. Or rather want to confirm >what I think. > >The males that are tested have to be from the paternal side and the direct >male descendant? Father, son, grandson, gr-grandson, gr-gr-grandson? A >direct line of male descendants? And someone mentioned that this could go >on >to maybe 30 generations down the line? > >I am going to have to dig up some male cousins that will do this, since my >brother has already passed away. My sons wouldn't fit the criteria. Has to >be direct male descendants if I have this right. I think I can find someone >to pitch in here. > >Can someone find out what the costs would be assuming we have over 9 >volunteers so we can get that better rate? > >It would also be good to have someone head up the project that has the time >and understands how it works. Some have been through this with their other >branches like Bruce for the Barretts so he may know a little more and give >us a hand? > >Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice >Michigan >Jacob Thomas line - died 1804 Maryville, Blount Co., TN > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce P Barrett [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:50 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > >Hi, >You can see the Barrett Surname Project by going to >http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project2.htm > >Bruce P. Barrett >[email protected] >Heath, OH USA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > Hi Virginia, > > > > My (Bonnie) name comes from my mother who is also a Bonnie. She is >Bonnie > > Kate, named for Bonny Kate, wife of the first Governor of Tennessee ( >John > > Sevier). > > > > The best place to look for information is on the www.familytreedna.com > > website. The test requires a male as it is a Y-chromosome test. The > > Y-chrom. is passed from father to son to son, etc. without any mutation > > within about 30 generations (I think). Therefore, in our case, it will >be >a > > THOMAS male as the line cannot be broken. > > > > It is not a complete DNA test. From what I understand, only those >markers > > that show the genealogical ties? FamilyTreeDNA posts the results on >their > > site, but only by number. Unless we share those results with each >other, > > the names are not known. > > > > My DRAKE family had a separate site where only those names were posted. > > They were identified by the progenitor of that line, based on the > > researchers work. We were able to connect several lines, not previously > > known to relate. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Virginia A." <[email protected]> > > To: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > Hello Bonnie, > > > > > > What happens to the DNA results after this is done? Do you know why >it > > can > > > only be a male? I am going to try to work on one of my brothers and >see >if > > > he will do it for me. I don't know if he will or not. > > > > > > Just a side note: My mother wanted to name me Bonnie. My father's >middle > > > name was Bonnell. He hated it so I got named Virginia instead. > > > > > > Virginia (Thomas) in Seattle > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:44 AM > > > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA Project > > > > > > > > > > Has there been any discussion on the THOMAS list of participating in >the > > > DNA > > > > project? I would be happy to volunteer a brother. > > > > > > > > This might help link some of these groups... particularly the three >East > > > > Tennessee clans which might possibly have a common ancestor. > > > > > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > > > THOMAS Family Mail List Archives: > > > > courtesy of Rootsweb, our gracious host! > > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > Just type in the mail list's name: THOMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > > Need list assistance? Please contact: > > [email protected] > > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D > > > > > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Need list assistance? Please contact: > [email protected] > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 > > >==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Thank you for your generous financial support of Rootsweb! >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003

Carrie, I am descended from Arthur Thomas of Union County, South Carolina around 1790's. His son, John H. Thomas, moved to Pike County, Alabama around the time your James B. Thomas moved there. Have we communicated before? Do either of my Thomases sound familiar to you? Rex Jones

The website with more information on the DNA project is at: www.familytreedna.com Bonnie Thomas Chaffin [email protected] has volunteered to be our administer for the Thomas DNA project and Bonnie is monitoring the Thomas List to get everyone's name so you can be included. I volunteered to help if more hands are needed. Barb Fitzmaurice [email protected] But I suggest you post to our Thomas List so we can all share in this project and know who and where our Thomas' are that will participate. [email protected] I think the plan will be to set up some sort of website for us too eventually. Anyway, as Bonnie gets more squared away we will get directions on how to proceed. I believe she is getting everything set up for us through The Family Tree DNA organization - www.familytreedna.com Don't start ordering kits until we get the ok from Bonnie so that we are organized as a group. Hopefully we will get this out to many of our Thomas cousins and they can persuade the direct male descendant from our lines to swab his cheek. It sure may help a lot to see if we can connect more lines or even rule out what line we are not part of. From what I have seen of the names so far we might have a good representation of a lot of Thomas families already. So keep bugging your Thomas contacts to join in. It won't hurt to have two or more males from each line either, just in case we get more interested. I know we have Thomas' all over the world so this should be a very interesting and productive project. Thanks, Barb (Thomas) Fitzmaurice

Is anyone on this list right now, from the Owen Thomas died in Orange County, NC? Would like to know if they are, or have participated in the project? Mamie

I would like to know more about the testing myself...costs for kits, tests etc. involved. Is there a website where I can direct him to read about all of this? Maybe I can convince my brother to do this for me. I have to date been unsuccessful in tying my James to any Thomas lines. James b. 1781, NC. married Mary West and raised his family in Horry Co., SC. About 1837 my Thomas lines migrated to Pike Co., AL. and remained there until about 1870 or 1880. My direct lines then went on to Arkansas and some of the other brothers/ sisters went to Florida. I would love an opportunity to maybe break through this brick wall. Carrie Thomas-Dominguez Kansas

I am a direct male descendant of John Thomas, Sr. b. 1710, Henrico County, VA and Winifred Dameron. I would be interested in participating if it might help anyone else. K Powell wrote: > A couplefew comments. > > 1. You do not want to waste the money on the 12 marker test, since it's too > common among the population. Do the 25. > > 2. Sometimes if necessary, one can "sponsor" a participant that can't really > afford the test. > > 3. The project probably needs a coordinator for the surname group, or at least > that's what I've seen done on other surname DNA projects. A web page, perhaps > freepage at rootsweb, to publish results. Someone to set standards of one or > another sort, say of having a genealogy established back to some cutoff date > minimum. Often it's 1800. The coordinator may even be the one to order the test > so that results are returned to him/her AND the test participant. Volunteer? ( > > not me) (I have no known male Thomas anyway) > > Kaye in Texas > > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:53:29 -0400 > > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA project > > > > I'm excited that we seem to have a good number of people interested in the > > DNA project. I have written to Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDNA for the > > answer to some of our questions. He was their representative who helped with > > the project for another of my family names. > > > > Once I have more information, I will post it to the list. The recent test > > that I did on my CRISP family was $101.00 for the 12-marker test and I > > believe we were quoted $169 + mailing costs for the 25-marker test. > > > > In the meantime, checkout www.familytreedna.com for answers to other > > questions. > > > > I have started a list of names of those willing to participate.... let us > > know who you are if interested. Also, I'd be happy to coordinate this. > > Maybe Bruce Bennett will give me some advice/assistance in setting up a site > > such as the one he has for his Bennett family??? > > > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== > Need list assistance? Please contact: [email protected] > List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D -- "Be careful how you live. You may be the only Bible some people will ever read". If you can't explain it to your mother or grandmother, don't do it. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA http://home.pacbell.net/wthomas1/ Wayne <><

A couplefew comments. 1. You do not want to waste the money on the 12 marker test, since it's too common among the population. Do the 25. 2. Sometimes if necessary, one can "sponsor" a participant that can't really afford the test. 3. The project probably needs a coordinator for the surname group, or at least that's what I've seen done on other surname DNA projects. A web page, perhaps freepage at rootsweb, to publish results. Someone to set standards of one or another sort, say of having a genealogy established back to some cutoff date minimum. Often it's 1800. The coordinator may even be the one to order the test so that results are returned to him/her AND the test participant. Volunteer? ( not me) (I have no known male Thomas anyway) Kaye in Texas > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:53:29 -0400 > From: "Bonnie Thomas Chaffin" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [THOMAS] DNA project > > I'm excited that we seem to have a good number of people interested in the > DNA project. I have written to Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDNA for the > answer to some of our questions. He was their representative who helped with > the project for another of my family names. > > Once I have more information, I will post it to the list. The recent test > that I did on my CRISP family was $101.00 for the 12-marker test and I > believe we were quoted $169 + mailing costs for the 25-marker test. > > In the meantime, checkout www.familytreedna.com for answers to other > questions. > > I have started a list of names of those willing to participate.... let us > know who you are if interested. Also, I'd be happy to coordinate this. > Maybe Bruce Bennett will give me some advice/assistance in setting up a site > such as the one he has for his Bennett family??? > > Bonnie Thomas Chaffin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

I'm excited that we seem to have a good number of people interested in the DNA project. I have written to Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDNA for the answer to some of our questions. He was their representative who helped with the project for another of my family names. Once I have more information, I will post it to the list. The recent test that I did on my CRISP family was $101.00 for the 12-marker test and I believe we were quoted $169 + mailing costs for the 25-marker test. In the meantime, checkout www.familytreedna.com for answers to other questions. I have started a list of names of those willing to participate.... let us know who you are if interested. Also, I'd be happy to coordinate this. Maybe Bruce Bennett will give me some advice/assistance in setting up a site such as the one he has for his Bennett family??? Bonnie Thomas Chaffin