Found the following Thomas individuals in Harris Co., GA (other than my own gg grandfather, Stephen Thomas: Samuel Thomas - found on pg. 220 of "History of Harris County, Georgia" 1827 - 1961 by Louise Calhoun Barfield - He was on "A List of Petit Jurors Drawn for Said Term, to-wit: 1832 James Thomas - 1 year old - Male - apparently living with the John F. Brown family on pg. 173 - Don't know if this family was connected to my Brown family or not yet another Thomas family found on pg. 157 John Thomas - 22 - Male - Teacher - born in GA Mary A. Thomas - 29 - Female - born in GA Cornelius D. Thomas - 3 - Male - born in GA Lorenzo D. Thomas - 1 - Male - born in GA An 1830 census index on pg. 114 shows Reuben Thomas On pg. 97, shows a Richard Thomas in the Sixth District - Fouth Section, Cherokee and it shows the number, 672 by his name (?) A Thomas marriage is on pg. 78: John S. Thomas and Kitty M. Cox on May 11, 1867 Another e-mail coming. Sue Howard

>From what I have been given, the children of Owen Thomas born ca. 1710-20, died 1769 Orange County, North Carolina was: William ca 1746, James, George, Michal ca. 1756, Mary, Ann(my line married Joseph Wicks/Weeks), Hester, Joana, Lewis, John, Elizabeth, and Johnathan 1762-1838 I have been given more on the Johnathan line, and I have my own research on the Ann line, but that's about all I have on them. Do not see a Gray, but he could be a descendant of any of these. Mamie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [THOMAS] Re: THOMAS-D Digest V03 #99 Mamie, Did Owen Thomas, Orange Co. NC have a son, Gray William Thomas b. abt 1807 who married Esther Marshburn in Wake Co. NC? (or variant spelling or Marshburn) Gava ______________________________

Since my maiden name was not Thomas, and my one brother's name was not Thomas, I guess that leaves me out of this DNA testing. If I could find a male Thomas cousin, I guess that would help, but I really don't know any personally. My Thomas connection is through my maternal grandmother whose maiden name was Thomas. I have corresponded with a couple of female Thomas-type cousins who apparently live still in Alabama (not sure about that), one of them being Diane Blackwell. Diane, are you on this list? Could you or do you have a male relative who would be willing to be tested? Diane and I descend from a Stephen and Jane Thomas, out of North Carolina. I figure this Stephen was probably born anywhere from 1800 to 1805, something like that. We don't know Jane's maiden name, although her middle initial was "H", and whether that was her middle name or whether it stood for her maiden name, we don't know. Diane said that they definitely were from North Carolina before moving t! o Harris County, Georgia. Not sure when they moved from Harris Co., GA but they ended up in Coosa Co., Alabama, where my grandmother, Susan Americus Thomas, was born in December 1850. Now, I was just looking at a copy of a list of Revolutionary War soldiers in North Carolina, and found a Stephen Thomas on the list, which I had not noticed before because I was looking for another ancestor - my gg grandfather, William Gilbert (which, later, the two names joined up as my grandmother, Susan A. Thomas, married a grandson of William Gilbert - John Fleming Gilbert.) This was copied from "Roster of North Carolina Soldiers in the American Revolution" and sent to me by another Gilbert searcher. At the top she wrote, "Appeared on State Records Vol. XVII of the Reg of N. C. commanded by Col. Samuel Jarvis, page 1060. Payroll - Capt. Wm. Brinkleys Co." Anybody know anything about this particular Stephen Thomas, RWS? He just MIGHT have been the father of my known ancestor, Stephen.! Thanks for any response. Sue Howard P.S. My known ancestor, Stephen Thomas, was murdered in Coosa Co. because they thought he was harboring deserters from the Civil War. He had voted for an Abolitionist, John C. Fremont, in 1856. Another name related to my Thomas family was Gillespie since one child of Stephen and Jane's - Emily Thomas married a Gillespie.

Mamie, Did Owen Thomas, Orange Co. NC have a son, Gray William Thomas b. abt 1807 who married Esther Marshburn in Wake Co. NC? (or variant spelling or Marshburn) Gava

As a few others have mentioned, there is no need to dig up grandpa. His DNA exists in all of his descendants. Surely, you know all of your first cousins or at least know of them. Since the Y-chromosome is passed on from father to son and only rarely mutates, your paternal lines should match exactly (with the exception of a few mutations along the way) with any other descendant of the same man. This is why it is not necessary to dig up grandpa - he lives in your DNA! In my case, I'd have to locate a male Thomas cousin. I've not found one yet! I also am not the person this was addressed to, but I have been involved with the Shelton DNA study for a year or so now, so thought I would add what I have discovered. Go here for more info (DNA 101) http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html Tina Hall -----Original Message----- From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [THOMAS] Y-DNA Testing for Paternal Determination Ok, Cousins .... NOBODY BIT THE BAIT QUESTION: WHO IS GOING TO GO DIG UP GRANDPA? :-) You have to compare a REFERENCE DNA pattern against the SAMPLE DNA pattern, both loci amplitude and incidence. GRANDPA is the REFERENCE. Randy Thomas, Being a geneticist, would you be so kind as to give us some insight into the probability factors and the overall process? How, for example, might I link to my G-G-G-G-G-G Grandfather, without a DNA sample from him? Other than locating cousins, what does one have to gain? Sam Thomas Roswell, Georgia 770-643-8880 ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== Need list assistance? Please contact: [email protected] List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D

....and you can visit my web site to view the results from the Shelton DNA test study at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/dna.html. My lines are SH-06 and a male cousin did the testing for a group of us who pitched in the cost of the kit for him. Tina Hall -----Original Message----- From: K Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [THOMAS] Re: DNA surname project I checked with some other lists I'm on. They all seem to use Family Tree DNA, another example here from the McKINNEY et al group http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/DNA/DNA_LABS.htm --- Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep ... sounds too good to be true! Which med lab is handling the > test? > > Sam Thomas > Roswell, Georgia > 770-643-8880 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Powell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:07 PM > Subject: [THOMAS] Re: DNA surname project > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > > > I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the > > > THOMAS > list. > > > There are pros and cons to this. > > > > > > 1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the > > > 25 > marker > > > test. > > > > rootsweb surname groups are getting the test kits for $99 and $169 > > respectively. Again, the 12 marker is useless for this purpose. > > > > Kaye in Texas

It is the locating of the cousins that provides the value. I am only just starting to see this. By linking with other Thomas lines you may find someone who has been lucky enough to have the research on their line proven further back than you are. Or find out you have been following the completely wrong line. I have been a "doubting Thomas" as it seems this is a way to take advantage of genealogists like us, eager to find any new lead. But if I was able to link to someone who has proof further than my Enos Thomas b. 1803, it would worth well more than the $170. I sure have spent that much on travel, research, books, document requests, etc etc. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [THOMAS] Y-DNA Testing for Paternal Determination Ok, Cousins .... NOBODY BIT THE BAIT QUESTION: WHO IS GOING TO GO DIG UP GRANDPA? :-) You have to compare a REFERENCE DNA pattern against the SAMPLE DNA pattern, both loci amplitude and incidence. GRANDPA is the REFERENCE. Randy Thomas, Being a geneticist, would you be so kind as to give us some insight into the probability factors and the overall process? How, for example, might I link to my G-G-G-G-G-G Grandfather, without a DNA sample from him? Other than locating cousins, what does one have to gain? Sam Thomas Roswell, Georgia 770-643-8880 ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== Need list assistance? Please contact: [email protected] List Adm for THOMAS-L and THOMAS-D

Hi Wayne, The testing might give me clue if my line is related to yours if we get back a match to someone in your line. Right now I am stuck. If my Jacob happened to be a cousin to your John, which we have no idea if they are or even could be, this might confirm they are from the same line. Then because there are some Thomas' that go back even further and if someone from one of those lines also does the testing we may end up tying my line and your line into another line that has been researched further back. Or it may rule out we don't have a match and we know not to look that way. I don't look for the testing to be the only way we establish our ancestors. I still will be looking into old documents, markers, military records and so on for my research. But it would be nice to know that part of my line might have landed in PA and some of the children went to VA, or TN or GA....etc. Heck, what if an Uncle, a brother or a cousin came over at a later time or some family stayed behind in their country of origin? So then we have cousins still in Wales, Germany, Spain or just about anywhere. If these cousins across the oceans were tested all the more information we would be collecting. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] My line (John Thomas, Sr. b. 1710, Henrico County, VA and Winifred Dameron) has been pretty well researched. Is the anybody out there who is trying to connect to my line? In other words. will my participation actually benefit anyone?

Richard W.Thomas 814 Forestdale Road Royal Oak,Michigan 48067 USA Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "THOMAS-L USA" <[email protected]>; "THOMAS-UK ENGLAND" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Fw: Thomas > > Richard W.Thomas > 814 Forestdale Road > Royal Oak,Michigan 48067 > USA > Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson > Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: Richard William Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: Thomas > > > Hi Tammy, > > I am from the Welsh Thomas branch. > > Rees Thomas married Ann Solomon in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, > Wales 27 August 1852 in the parish church(Church of Wales). He > was born 5 April 1821 and she 15 October 1827. His parents on his > death certificate are listed as John Thomas and Martha Powell. Have > no idea where Rees born or parents from. > > Her parents George Solomon and Mary Erasmus lived in Pembrey > at the time of Ann's birth. Rees and Ann had two children in Llanelly, > Carmarthenshire, Wales. Margaret born 11 October 1853 and > John in 4 December 1855. > > Rees, Ann and the children moved to Lobo Township, Middlesex > County, Ontario, Canada after landing in New York City 2 July 1857. > In 1870 the family with more children( Martha, Shadrach, Lydia and Hannah) moved to Kenockee Township, St. Clair County, Michigan, > USA. > > Have much family in St. Clair and Sanilac County. Do not know > about Saginaw. > > Richard > > > > Richard W.Thomas > 814 Forestdale Road > Royal Oak,Michigan 48067 > USA > Thomas,Badgerow,Ferrier,Stock,Bevins,Ferguson > Czokoly,Vincze,Kovach,Hess,Younglove > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Richard-William-Thomas-MI/index.html > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:08 PM > Subject: Thomas > > > Do you have any family in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan? I have John Thomas who married Christina Dayhle. John was born > about 1830 in Prussia. Thanks for any help. > > Tammy Whitman > Hemlock, Michgian > [email protected] > >

And, I come from a line of VA Thomas' located in the Shenandoah Valley of VA...in the area of Hinton, Montezuma and Singer's Glen. Marta Thomas Hudson

Aren't the comparisons of DNA material made against one another? We don't need Grandpa if some of him is in you and some of him is in one of my 1st cousin Thomas'. The test will just show how close you and my cousins relation is to grandpa. That's the way I'm reading it anyhow. Marta Thomas Hudson

Ok, Cousins .... NOBODY BIT THE BAIT QUESTION: WHO IS GOING TO GO DIG UP GRANDPA? :-) You have to compare a REFERENCE DNA pattern against the SAMPLE DNA pattern, both loci amplitude and incidence. GRANDPA is the REFERENCE. Randy Thomas, Being a geneticist, would you be so kind as to give us some insight into the probability factors and the overall process? How, for example, might I link to my G-G-G-G-G-G Grandfather, without a DNA sample from him? Other than locating cousins, what does one have to gain? Sam Thomas Roswell, Georgia 770-643-8880

Ok... so far I have the following names as being interested in participating. Please send any additions or corrections to my email: [email protected] Jim Thomas Bill Thomas Barb Thomas Fitzmaurice Judy Thomas Snowden Marta Nina Harkey Wayne Thomas Carrie Thomas-Dominquez Michael Thomas Bonnie Thomas Chaffin Some maybe's: Julie Hesson Jack Thomas Richard Thomas PLEASE let me know what other questions everyone might have. If I don't know the answer or can't find it, I'll find someone who does know. Bonnie

For the moment, no one needs to do anything about ordering their kit. Once I am sure we have enough interest, I will get a us a assigned a "surname project" and page. This will identify us for the special surname group pricing. I will publish a link to the list where you can order online is you like. The test is a type of cotton swab and a small tube of solution to store the completed swab into for return to the lab. The dna is obtained by scraping the inside of the cheek with the swab. I think it cost me $.60 to mail this back when I volunteered a CRISP cousin for that project.

The 12-marker test is $99 + about $2 for mailing the kit to you. The 25-marker test is $169 + about the same for mailing. If you choose the 12-marker test and then decide to upgrade it to 25-marker (same swab kit), the cost is $90 additional (total of $189). If we choose the 25-marker test, we would save $20 over doing the upgrade later. What is the difference: 12 markers are sufficient to determine whether or not two people are related. The value of the 25 marker test occurs when two participants are related based on the 12 marker test. The objective of the upgrade to the 25 marker test is to reduce the time frame of the common ancestor between the matching participants. Two individuals are considered related for the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, and sometimes with 10/12. In the first two situations, an upgrade to the 25 marker test is recommended. I have no preference as to which marker set we do in our initial testing. I would guess that individually we can make different choices. Some have suggested that because THOMAS is such a large population that we might end up using the 25 marker more often. I'm with the group on this decision. Bonnie

Our next step of the project is to set our project objectives. I'm sure we'd all come up with, "identify others who are related" or "solve brick walls in our research". Other possibilities are to prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors; determine a location for further research; and validate existing research. As Mr. Greenspan pointed out, these may change over time and as our results start accumulating. Personally, my own objective is to find a possible match to my line so that we both might be directed to a good location to look for that next generation back. I descend from George Thomas, b. 1781 in Tennessee (before statehood). Barb descends from Jacob Thomas in Blount Co. and she's been trying to identify several George's in her family. A common dna between her males and mine MIGHT help us both to pool our research and focus on an area to look for George & Jacob's parents. But understand that we may never know who that common ancestor is or how far back. I guess at this point, I'd be happy just to know which of these lines are connected to each other. Each of us has lots of research on our own line... that creates a great new resource once we know a link exists. There is no digging up our ancestors bones. If our research is well established and well proven, that is our history for comparison.

First of all, I will use several emails and specific descriptions in the subject so that those uninterested can delete what they don't want. The information I am supplying is in answer to my inquiry to Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDNA.com. The first thing we must do is choose a "group administrator". I will be happy to perform this function unless someone else in the group would like to step up and do this. My thoughts are to create a separate website where all of our results are posted together, along with an identity of our line - the progenitor, when & where he was born, etc. Additionally, FamilyTreeDNA will grant us a "Project Page" at Familytreedna. Step 2 to follow, Bonnie Thomas Chaffin

As a geneticist, and as a male Thomas descendent, I am exicited by the interest in this line of discussion. I descend from Benjamin S. Thomas (born 1822 TN), and I would be happy to participate in this study, as would my father, James H. Thomas (age 86). Cheers. Michael Thomas

Here are the results pages from 2 DNA surname projects to look over. Neither has any "50%" results. http://www.livingston.net/hilldna/results.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/KINNEY/Research/results.htm When you get DNA results groupings of 3 and more participants who've done their research and the results show this much similarity, the results appear to me to be worth it. DNA affirms your research. Kaye in Texas --- Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > It looks like the best they can do is a 50% match in 17.5 generations. I'll > stay with my computer, cemetery skulking, census and public records > techniques. > > Sam Thomas > Roswell, Georgia > 770-643-8880 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

I checked with some other lists I'm on. They all seem to use Family Tree DNA, another example here from the McKINNEY et al group http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/DNA/DNA_LABS.htm --- Sam Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep ... sounds too good to be true! Which med lab is handling the test? > > Sam Thomas > Roswell, Georgia > 770-643-8880 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Powell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:07 PM > Subject: [THOMAS] Re: DNA surname project > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sam Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > > > I am seeing a lot of interest in gene DNA testing here on the THOMAS > list. > > > There are pros and cons to this. > > > > > > 1. The basic cost is about $160 for the 12 marker and $250 for the 25 > marker > > > test. > > > > rootsweb surname groups are getting the test kits for $99 and $169 > > respectively. Again, the 12 marker is useless for this purpose. > > > > Kaye in Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com