Hi Tom, The OCEANIC definitely did have a June 1909 at New York . . in fact, two June arrivals. The June 30th arrival carried 189 first class, 277 second class and 1,016 third class passengers. The ZEELAND didn't actually have a late June arrival . . . although I found these entries below using Steve Morse's one-step pages http://www.stevemorse.org/ Series Roll Vol. Year Month Day Frame Ship Port FHL roll T715 1278 2816 1909 June 1 169 Zeeland Antwerp 1399962 T715 1294 2853 1909 June 30 157 Oceanic (Zeeland) Southampton 1399978 T715 1307 2882 1909 July 27 2 Zeeland Antwerp 1399991 T715 1280 2821 1909 June 3 553 Oceanic Southampton 1399964 T715 1294 2853 1909 June 30 157 Oceanic (Zeeland) Southampton 1399978 T715 1308 2884 1909 July 28 309 Oceanic Southampton 1399992 . . .I decided to take a look and found Agata on Frame 258. She definitely sailed from Southampton, on the OCEANIC. Some of the manifest pages (including 258) are rubber-stamped ZEELAND and from ANTWERP, but those are crossed out with OCEANIC from SOUTHAMPTON written in. It is curious, as the Oceanic sailed from Southampton on June 23rd, but the corrected pages show a sailing date of June 19th. Some of the corrected pages do also show the June 19th date corrected to June 23rd. Our Zeeland description and voyage history doesn't mention a "break-down" in 1909, http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsWZ.html ...but I suppose it is possible, with the passengers transferring to the Oceanic. The Cimorelli database is derived from the Morton Allan Directory and that does show all the sailings for both Oceanic and Zeeland as indicated above . . ie. no late June arrival for Zeeland. . . I think you transposed the ship names in your email below. Red Star Line and White Star Line entered into agreements from time to time and White Star actually chartered Zeeland for a time 1910-1911, so it isn't too surprising for White Star to have carried Red Star passengers in a pinch. Oceanic from Southampton, in 1909, used to carry about 300-400 third class passengers whereas Zeeland during that year was usually carrying 800-1000 third class from Antwerp, so the 1,016 passengers Oceanic carried for that particular trip was many hundred more than usual. Maybe another lister with access to newspapers &c. might be able to comment further on what happened to Zeeland in late June 1909. She had sailed back to Antwerp from New York on June fifth . . . her usual passage time westbound was 10 days +/- so the 19th June sailing date would fit with her normal turn-around time of 4 days. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:19 AM 2006-08-23 -0400, Sadauskas, Thomas, CIV, OASD\(HA\)/TMA wrote: >Greetings. Hope someone can help me with a mystery. > >My grandmother, Agata Karalute, is listed on one of the Ellis Island >Ship's Registers with two different ship names. > >It appears the original entry says the SS Zeeland sailing from Antwerp >on 19 June 1909. The entry is crossed out and replaced with the SS >Oceanic sailing from Southampton on 23 June 1909. > >I checked the Cimorelli Database which lists NO ENTRY for the SS Oceanic >arriving in New York City in June 1909. It lists NYC arrival dates for >the SS Oceanic on 5 May 1909 and 28 July 1909 but nothing in June. > >Does anyone have any information or suggestions for further research? > >Thanks in advance for the help. > >Tom > >Researching Ammutie(sp?)/Amulis(?), Baltramonaitis, Darlunas/Derliunas, >Draugelis, Geguz^is, Grauza, Ilgunas, Karalius, Kliokys/Klokis, >Mic^iunas, Moc^kus, Molius^is, Noreika, Pac^esa, Paulauskas, Prasauskas, >Puskorius, Sadauskas, Senkus, S^iugz^da/Z^iugz^da, Steponaitis, >Volungevic^ius