Greetings: This information provided here will certainly assist me in doing this part of my Family History and I appreciate it very much. This message in addition to a few others the last couple of days have truly been a great in my understanding now what I need to do to investigate my European Ancestors and Canadian as well in their quest to come to America. Sincerely, Mary A. Christiansen Sorry to include such a lengthy subject and answers replies but I needed to keep the information..If there is a better way to do this please let me know,by that I mean not deleting parts of the message??? Mary A. Christiansen -----Original Message----- From: theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:19 PM Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Overland or by Ship query (Sue Swiggum) 2. Re: Overland or by Ship query (jwyze1@gmail.com) 3. Re: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 (Ann Serb) 4. Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland (C Kluz) 5. Re: Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland (Sue Swiggum) 6. Apprentices in the Royal Navy 1804 (Jenny Fawcett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:25 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: "jwyze1@gmail.com" <jwyze1@gmail.com>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060914112201.027c3898@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello Jill, The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S. 1912-01-17 T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-03-20 T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S. 1912-04-10 T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-11-19 (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for the family. Sue -- At 02:50 PM 2006-09-14 +0100, jwyze1@gmail.com wrote: >Hello List >I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know >the answer. > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have >continued by sea to the Port of St John >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but >recently considered that perhaps she >went by sea. > >Any information would be useful. > >-- >Regards, Jill ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:02:36 +0100 From: "jwyze1@gmail.com" <jwyze1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Cc: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d9bccb8b0609140802u38d24ff0r3da4892a4b60087a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Sue Thank you for this information. Amy Armstrong travelled on the T-4745 arriving on 1912-11-19. I have a copy of the Canadian Manifest ie the landing details, but do not have a copy of the front summary page, which is a shame. However, having just read the very small print in one of the last > Hello Jill, > > The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four > Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). > > T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-01-17 > T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-03-20 > T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-04-10 > T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-11-19 > (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" > > The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have > taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It > would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the > passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of > the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that > railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for > the family. > > Sue > -- > > . > > > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal > Edward > >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate > >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey > have > >continued by sea to the Port of St John > >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different > >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to > >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > > > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), > but > >recently considered that perhaps she > >went by sea. > > > >Any information would be useful. > > > >-- > >Regards, Jill > ------------------------------ theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (Hoskins) 2. Scottish Emigrants to South Western Ontario in 1818 (Harry Dodsworth) 3. Re: Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (PAUL NICHOLS) 4. namibia (Ilana & Stephan) 5. SS Scotia (Indi Barat) 6. Re: Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (Harry Dodsworth) 7. NAME OF SHIP ESSEX (GMR7815@aol.com) 8. Re: namibia (Ted Finch) 9. (no subject) (Karen Ard) 10. Overland or by Ship query (jwyze1@gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:28:42 -0400 From: "Hoskins" Subject: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: Message-ID: <001401c6d78c$5aa53e90$783e0448@YOURC9649576F1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would like info on the Ida Kiss that arrived in New York, 10 January 1850, from Newport, Wales. My gggrandmother was a passenger, arriving with her children, to join my gggrandfather in NE Pennsylvania. The internet only shows one arrival for this ship. Is there any info on this voyage or ship....time taken, size of ship, etc ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: af877@freenet.carleton.ca (Harry Dodsworth) Subject: [TSL] Scottish Emigrants to South Western Ontario in 1818 To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914003827.4EDE124747@smeagol.ncf.ca> Montreal Gazette, July 7, 1819 To the Emigrants who arrived at Quebec in the summer of 1818, and who came in the Jane of Greenock, and the Carlow of London, from the parishes of Comera, Balyhidder, Weems, and Killice in Perthshire, North Britain [1]. When we parted from you at Montreal for this part of the Country, we promised to inform you of the advantages, which we might find it to possess. You are probably so scattered about now, that we cannot inform you in any other way than by addressing you a letter in a newspaper; and we earnestly hope, that the Editors of other papers, will be kind enough to give our letter one insertion, that you may all have the opportunity of hearing from us. We have been of the party of Colonel Burwell, and assisted him to Survey about seventy thousand acres of land, in the Township of London, which we have just completed, and Colonel Talbot has just located us upon one hundred acres each. The Township of London is bounded in front by the river Thames, and is well watered by the north branch of it, and a great many smaller branches which intersect every Concession in the Township; some of which are very excellent for Mill seats. The land is of the finest quality we ever saw. The soil is generally very black and deep; and at the same time, intermixed with a small quantity of white sand. The Timber is Sugar Maple, Elm, white Oak, Butternut, Cherry, and Basswood. We have not passed through a lot, but that we have seen some Butternut trees, under which, the ground was frequently almost covered with Butternuts at this season of the year. The pack-men of our party have often gathered, and brought quantities of them, to where we have encamped at night, and cracked as many as we wished. Towards the last of April, and the first of this month, they have been as fine and dry amongst the leaves of last year, as though they had been kept in a house. Several persons who have removed from the Eastern part of this Province, and now live near this place, have informed us, that the wintering of Cattle and Horses does not cost more than half as much here as there. When we left Scotland, the Ministers of our parishes begged us to settle near each other, which we sincerely wish and hope, that such of you as are not settled to your satisfaction, will come to this part of the Province, and now live near this place. You will certainly like the country when you see it. We have had no trouble in getting our lands. When we made choice of them, we applied to Colonel Talbot, and we have two years to perform the Settlement duties in, which is all to our own advantage. Several of our friends are now here, and every new Settler who has money, or is industrious, can buy provisions from our neighbours on Talbot Road, and in Westminster, on the opposite side of the River Thames, to last until they can grow them from their own farms. We remain your friends, JAMES MCFARLANE, ARCHIBALD MCFARLANE, JAMES CAMPBELL, JOHN CARMICHAELL. London (U. C.) 20th, May, 1819 Notes. 1. Sue Swiggum identified the ships as the Jane and the Curlew, and the parishes as Comrie, Balquhidder, Weem and Killin. 2. Colonel Talbot was a long serving, but controversial, emigration agent who did much to encourage settlement of South Western Ontario, between London and the Detroit River. Colonel Burwell surveyed the area. 3. Almost all of the Carolinian forest has been stripped from SW Ontario. The land is used for various types of farming, depending on its quality. 4. The names of many passengers on the Curlew were listed in Colonial Office papers and have been transcribed by Sue on http://www.theshipslist.com John Carmichael is listed on the Curlew but the other signatories of the letter are not; perhaps they were on the Jane. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:25 -0700 From: "PAUL NICHOLS" Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: Message-ID: <034d01c6d79a$fb50f4c0$250110ac@Pauli007> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) has a nice section on their web site that explains immigration records, where and how to find them (with links), that is a great place to start -- http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:57 -0300 From: Ilana & Stephan Subject: [TSL] namibia To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060913222721.027c7cc0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed To whom it may concern We are in the process of restoring the old jettie in Swakopmund Namibia utilized by the Woermann Linie. Does the Woermann Linie still exist or what does it operate now , who bought them out? Kind regards Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:20:26 +1000 (EST) From: Indi Barat Subject: [TSL] SS Scotia To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914022027.40861.qmail@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Ted This is what I have been waiting for... a BIG thank you for your help. Warm regards Indi --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: af877@freenet.carleton.ca (Harry Dodsworth) Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914025006.CEC0224747@smeagol.ncf.ca> "Hoskins" posted: >> Would like info on the Ida Kiss that arrived in New York, 10 January 1850, from Newport, Wales. My gggrandmother was a passenger, arriving with her children, to join my gggrandfather in NE Pennsylvania. The internet only shows one arrival for this ship. Is there any info on this voyage or ship....time taken, size of ship, etc. >> Basic arrival reports can be obtained after September 1851 from the New York Times. There may be a similar report in the New York Herald for the 1850 arrival but I don't have access to that newspaper. Certainly the Magellan list of New York arrivals suggests the Ida Kiss only made one arrival. The ship is not listed in the American registers (1857+) at the Mystic Seaport site. There is a note about an Austrian ship Ida Kiss landing at Albany, Western Australia in 1853 on Mariners list (2005). This queries the method of calculating tonnage. Apparently the Ida Kiss was entered at Albany as 594 tons while the Austrian Maritime Register listed her as 735 tons. Either figure is low for a ship in 1850. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:39:03 EDT From: GMR7815@aol.com Subject: [TSL] NAME OF SHIP ESSEX To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Would there be someone who possibly could do a lookup of the ship ESSEX that arrived in New Orleans about March 1848-1850. I am almost sure that a Sigmund Rapp is listed in the passenger list, I would like to also know where i could get a picture of the ship and possibly a description of it. Thank you ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:42:08 +0100 From: "Ted Finch" Subject: Re: [TSL] namibia To: "Ilana & Stephan" , Message-ID: <006f01c6d7d9$aafb7880$0d7186d9@finch96fpe5ia0> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Stephan, I believe that Woermann Line was taken over by SAFMARINE, Capetown, now part of the Moller-Maersk group of companies. Suggest a call to Safmarine to confirm this. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilana & Stephan" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [TSL] namibia > > To whom it may concern > > We are in the process of restoring the old jettie in Swakopmund > Namibia utilized by the Woermann Linie. > > Does the Woermann Linie still exist or what does it operate now , who > bought them out? > > Kind regards > > Stephan > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:31:52 -0700 From: Karen Ard Subject: [TSL] (no subject) To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Karen Ard Message-ID: <6AAB9A13-4388-11DB-8BD7-000A95E3FF98@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subscribe ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:53 +0100 From: "jwyze1@gmail.com" Subject: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello List I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know the answer. In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have continued by sea to the Port of St John NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to St John? Also, how long would the journey take? I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but recently considered that perhaps she went by sea. Any information would be useful. -- Regards, Jill ------------------------------ End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 ****************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: C Kluz <cjkluz@prodigy.net> Subject: [TSL] Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914182021.53514.qmail@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I match one person coming in there is: First Name:Antoni Last Name:Jakubiak Ethnicity:Russia, Polish Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel:Potsdam Port of Departure:Rotterdam Manifest Line Number:0023 The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time and help. Cindy Williams-Kluz cjkluz@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:52:16 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland To: C Kluz <cjkluz@prodigy.net>, theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060914203847.028d4e38@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Cindy, How about this one? First Name: Anastazi Last Name: Jakatjak Ethnicity: Russian-Polish Last Place of Residence: Pleni, Russia Date of Arrival: May 22, 1913 Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Giessen Port of Departure: Bremen Manifest Line Number: 0006 Going to his brother-in-law Wladyslaw S_____ in Detroit. Jakatjak definitely isn't the correct spelling . . not a t anyway. He leaves behind his wife Katerzyna ? Maybe he got to Detroit about May 28 ? Sue -- At 11:20 AM 2006-09-14 -0700, C Kluz wrote: >Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: > > >I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to >the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he >boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY >on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is >stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that >day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar >to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's >manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I >match one person coming in there is: > >First Name:Antoni >Last Name:Jakubiak >Ethnicity:Russia, Polish >Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia >Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 >Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M >Ship of Travel:Potsdam >Port of Departure:Rotterdam >Manifest Line Number:0023 > > >The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but >nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a >manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. > >If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for >your time and help. > >Cindy Williams-Kluz >cjkluz@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:32:55 +1000 From: "Jenny Fawcett" <jfawcett@genseek.net> Subject: [TSL] Apprentices in the Royal Navy 1804 To: <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <023701c6d8a1$8b957540$7a1f8aca@USER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" from the Sydney Gazette, January 22, 1804 A new Regulation is about to take place in the manner of taking Apprentices inthe Royal Dock Yards, which, if carried into effect, will be highly advantageous to the Service. In future, instead of Apprentices being taken indiscriminately, they are to be the sonsof Commissioned or Warrant OFficers inthe Royal navy, or the sons of Artificers in the naval Arsenals. The Pay and Allowance to a Master for his Apprentice are rather complained of; as it is proposed, by way of encouragement, to allow one third of his earnings to be applied to the use of his parents or guadians for his board and lodgings. cheers Jenny Fawcett Genseek Genealogy www.genseek.net ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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