Jeffrey Mills <jamills@mac.com> posted: >> Another member of the list was kind enough to forward this to me: From the NY Times of Nov 27, 1869 in the Marine Intelligence column Ship Hudson, Pratt, from London Oct. 23, and Isle of Wight 26th, with mdse. and 293 passengers, which arrived 25th, and anchored outside the Bar, came up to the City this P.M., and reports having had fine weather up to the Banks, since mostly W. and N.W. gales; been 15 ds. to the westward of the Banks; Nov. 12, was in co. with ship Edith, (*Br.,) from Liverpool for New York. From it, though, I have a couple of questions about what things might mean. what is "anchored outside the bar" at the port of New York or New York City? the ship Edith is followed by (*Br.,)...any idea what that might mean? >> Marj Kohli posted this extract from the online NYT version. I was also interested in it and tried to check it on the microfilm version but I could not find it in Marine Intelligence of the given date. The Hudson River brings down huge quantities of silt. This is deposited at the river mouth. The harbor was filled with sand banks and a bar. These have to be dredged continuously today to allow big ships to use the port. In the 1850s, ships would wait for the tide to cross the bar. The usual suffix (Br.,) means that the ship Edith was British flag. In co. usually means in company, that is sailing together. This is more common at a departure port than in mid-Atlantic. I was wondering, in view of the original question, if it meant in collision in this case, so I wanted to see the original reference and also the arrival notice for the Edith. I found neither. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------