Harry Item was in Marine Intelligence but not as an arrival. It was under "Miscellaneous". Marj At 12:44 AM 9/20/2006, Harry Dodsworth wrote: > Jeffrey Mills <jamills@mac.com> posted: > >> >Another member of the list was kind enough to forward this to me: > > From the NY Times of Nov 27, 1869 in the Marine Intelligence column > >Ship Hudson, Pratt, from London Oct. 23, and Isle of Wight 26th, with >mdse. and 293 passengers, which arrived 25th, and anchored outside >the Bar, came up to the City this P.M., and reports having had fine >weather up to the Banks, since mostly W. and N.W. gales; been 15 ds. >to the westward of the Banks; Nov. 12, was in co. with ship Edith, >(*Br.,) from Liverpool for New York. > > From it, though, I have a couple of questions about what things >might mean. > >what is "anchored outside the bar" at the port of New York or New >York City? > >the ship Edith is followed by (*Br.,)...any idea what that might mean? > >> > > Marj Kohli posted this extract from the online NYT version. >I was also interested in it and tried to check it on the microfilm >version but I could not find it in Marine Intelligence of the >given date. > > The Hudson River brings down huge quantities of silt. This is >deposited at the river mouth. The harbor was filled with sand banks >and a bar. These have to be dredged continuously today to allow big >ships to use the port. > In the 1850s, ships would wait for the tide to cross the bar. > > The usual suffix (Br.,) means that the ship Edith was British flag. >In co. usually means in company, that is sailing together. This is more >common at a departure port than in mid-Atlantic. > I was wondering, in view of the original question, if it meant >in collision in this case, so I wanted to see the original reference >and also the arrival notice for the Edith. I found neither. > >-- >Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca >---------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message