Hi Joy, At 02:27 PM 2006-07-20 -0400, JKersteter@aol.com wrote: >I need someone to "check" my logic. > >According to the passenger list in the archives of the Police Chamber of >Goteborg, Vol EIX:4:299:1654, Ingar Petersdotter, and her daughter Johanna >Johansdotter left Sweden on Sept 30, 1870 on the ship Orlando (Orlando 1, >Wilson >Line) for Hull, England, her destination was Duluth, Minnesota. The >emigrant agent >was Frederick Nelson. In checking information at Sweggate.com he represented >the Inman line. We have a write-up about the *new* Wilson Line ships Rollo and Orlando, from the Illustrated London News, 2nd April 1870 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/rollo.html >Would it be safe to assume that she sailed to the US on an Inman ship since >her agent represented that line? It should be, but because of the year and her destination, I wonder whether Nelson was also agent to other lines? I thought that Nelson was only Inman agent 1868-1869 . . but 1870 wasn't such a stretch and my info may not be 100% on agent dates as I have John Odell as Inman agent 1871-1890. >The Inman ship sailing from Liverpool closest to the date of Ingar's leaving >Goteborg is the Etna, which sailed Oct 10, 1870 from Liverpool, arrived at >Halifax, Oct 21, 1870. It says it also went to New York and Philadelphia. The >chart on theshipslist.com shows the Etna leaving New York, Nov 4 and >arriving in >"Queenstown" November 16. You are right about the closest Inman Line ship to her Swedish emigration date being the ETNA. Coincidently, it was her last trip by that name http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsE.html . . . that also gives this route . . . and started her last Liverpool - Queenstown - Halifax - Boston - New York sailing on 8/10/1870. (date format is ddmmyyyy) I DO see an October 1870 Boston arrival (no day shown) but I see no New York arrival for that trip. >Does anyone know if the route was Liverpool/Queenstown - Halifax - New York - >Philadelpha. Any ideas on how long it took from Hallifax to New York? Given the route above, I checked the October 1870 Boston arrival and they weren't aboard. Halifax did not begin to archive passenger lists before 1881, but regardless, it would be difficult to continue to Duluth from Halifax in 1870. The railway wasn't connected through via Quebec/Montreal until 1876. If I were you, I would definitely consider a Quebec arrival because of their destination. Quebec was a very common route to the US midwest during this period. I show David Lyon as the Allan Line agent in Gothenburg 1868-1871, so having Frederick Nelson shown as Agent does pose a problem . . still, my "Agent" list is far from complete. Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks C-4526 PRUSSIAN Liverpool, England 1870-10-06 / Londonderry, Ireland 1870-10-07 Quebec, Que. 1870-10-17 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (U): National Emigration League (4) List Number: 120; Captain J.E. Dutton C-4526 ST. DAVID Glasgow, Scotland 1870-10-04 Quebec, Que. 1870-10-18 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) List Number: 121; Captain Joseph Ritchie; Another date appears on manifest as: "6 Oct. 1870" C-4526 NESTORIAN Liverpool, England 1870-10-13 / Londonderry, Ireland 1870-10-14 Quebec, Que. 1870-10-25 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (J): Mount St. Bernard Reformatory, Leicestershire (3) List Number: 123; Captain A.D. Aird C-4526 ST. ANDREW Glasgow, Scotland 1870-10-11 Quebec, Que. 1870-10-26 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) List Number: 124; Captain Hugh Wylie Make sure you check the Glasgow lists too, as Swedes often used that port, arriving first at the port of Leith, although you do say that Orlando was destined to Hull, so Liverpool would make more sense. In the Illustrated London News article, it says the crossing time was about forty hours (this would be about the same from Gothenburg or Christiania) which fits with what I advise, that the trip from either of those cities to Hull was about 3 days. The trip by rail from Hull only took about 7 hours, so adding it all up, the PRUSSIAN from Liverpool on October 6th is a definite _maybe_ :-} The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their number LDS number 0889445 ~ 1870 ~ port of Quebec Good luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/