FAO: Sue Swiggum Sue, Had some tremendous luck my great aunt Dorothy Abraham (Nee Allard) wrote a small book called 'Lone Cone', it was her journal of going across to Canada to Tofino BC as a war bride with her husband. Here is a quote from the book answering the matter of which ship and when: At Southampton we arrived at the boat, which was the Olympic, at that time the largest ship afloat. She looked enormous. It was the last time she was used as a troop ship, taking home the last load of troops, who hailed mostly from Nova Scotia. I shall never forget the send off that they had, the docks were black with people, bands playing, people singing and speeches, a stirring sight. There were very few other passengers so we had plenty of room, amongst them were the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire, the former at that time Governor General of Canada, a few army officer and their wives, some nurses, and a few civilians. There was a strike on at the time, and the ship gallantly took her own way out without a tug. we were off. Canada next Stop! It then goes on about the voyage and arriving six days later at Halifax to a tremendous reception. The date I feel, but would love your confirmation, must of been around the middle of May 1919, as she says they applied in November 1918 and the telegram arrived one day in May giving them 1 weeks notice to sail. Her mother and father Percy William Allard & Elizabeth Allard sailed in 1920 I would imagine after April as that was their other daughters wedding day in UK so presumably there must be a Form 30A somewhere to be able to check their dates and ship. They I feel would of done a similar journey. Thanks Graham Allard

Graham The Times of March 18, 1891states that the Olympic was leaving Southampton "to-day with 207 officers and 5,170 men of the Canadian 3rd Division. The men are being brought from France to England at the rate of 1,000 a day, and Sir Edward Kemp, the Canadian Oversea Minister of Militia, who is here to speed the men upon their way, estimates that by the end of this month 85,000 men will have been brought back from France and 100,000 men embarked for Canada." In the April 15, 1919 paper is noted another sailing "The Olympic, which was to have sailed from Southampton yesterday, will leave this morning. She will have about 6,000 passengers, of whom 5,600 are officers and men of the Canadian forces." Olympic is noted in the May 2, 1919 paper as sailing from Halifax on her way home to Southampton. This is followed on May 12 with this item: Canadians Homeward Bound Olympic's Start Without Tugs (note: the tugboat men were on strike) The unwonted sight was seen at Southampton Docks on Saturday of the Olympic, which is usually towed out by seven tugs, starting her voyage to Halifax under her own steam. She had on board, besides many civilian passengers, the first body of Canadian troops of the Second Division to return to Canada. The unusual manner of the Olympic's departure was due to the strike of tugboat men at Southamton. Only a combination of luck and determination enabled her to start at all. The help of tugs, though accepted by great ships as a matter of course, is not indispensable in all kinds of weather, and Commander Hayes, of the Olympic, determined, if the weather made it possible, to take the ship out under he own steam. The Canadian troops on board had not seen their native land for several years, and he said their return should not be delayed if he could help it. The decision was characteristic of the man. Commander Hayes is an officer of well-known experience and resource, which had earned for him the complimentary nickname of the "Fox of the Atlantic." During the war he has made 34 voyages and has carried troops numbered by the hundred thousand. On one occasion the Olympic encountered the dangers of a minefield. But, Commander Hayes has brought his ship successfully through every difficulty, and all this has been done in a remarkable spirit of selfreliance. The Olympic has never been convoyed. Thousands of townspeople, with the Mayor of Southampton at their head, had gathered at the docks, and cheered again and again. The great vessel itself was crowded from end to end with Canadian soldiers. The total number of officers and men on board the Olympic was 5,600. The commander of the division, Major-General Sir Henry Burstall, was present to bid them farewell. Among the troops were men belonging to practically every part of British North America, from Nova Scotia to Vancouver. Their war service dates from September, 1915. More than half the Canadian troops have now gone back to Canada. There were four fighting divisions in Europe at the time of the armistice. Of these the First and Third have already returned home. The last contingent of the Second Division will embark at Liverpool on the 14th, and then there will only remain the Fourth Division. The rate at which the men are being sent home is considered by General Burstall to be satisfactory." So, your Aunt was correct -- there was a big sendoff. Regards... Marj At 08:03 PM 4/29/2006, Graham Allard wrote: >FAO: Sue Swiggum > >Sue, >Had some tremendous luck my great aunt Dorothy Abraham (Nee Allard) wrote >a small book called 'Lone Cone', it was her journal of going across to >Canada to Tofino BC as a war bride with her husband. Here is a quote from >the book answering the matter of which ship and when: > >At Southampton we arrived at the boat, which was the Olympic, at that time >the largest ship afloat. She looked enormous. It was the last time she was >used as a troop ship, taking home the last load of troops, who hailed >mostly from Nova Scotia. I shall never forget the send off that they had, >the docks were black with people, bands playing, people singing and >speeches, a stirring sight. There were very few other passengers so we had >plenty of room, amongst them were the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire, the >former at that time Governor General of Canada, a few army officer and >their wives, some nurses, and a few civilians. >There was a strike on at the time, and the ship gallantly took her own way >out without a tug. we were off. Canada next Stop! > >It then goes on about the voyage and arriving six days later at Halifax to >a tremendous reception. The date I feel, but would love your confirmation, >must of been around the middle of May 1919, as she says they applied in >November 1918 and the telegram arrived one day in May giving them 1 weeks >notice to sail. Her mother and father Percy William Allard & Elizabeth >Allard sailed in 1920 I would imagine after April as that was their other >daughters wedding day in UK so presumably there must be a Form 30A >somewhere to be able to check their dates and ship. They I feel would of >done a similar journey. > >Thanks > >Graham Allard > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:TheShipsList-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:TheShipsList-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Leave Subject Line empty * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Graham The Toronto Globe and Mail also tells the story of the send off for the Olympic (Tuesday May 13, 1919). It also states that another party "sailed on the Scandinavian on Saturday for Quebec with 25 officers from London, 10 warant officers, 33 sergeants and 231 other ranks from Buxton, with their dependents, 416 wives, 150 children and 42 repatriated officers from Bramshott." On May 17, 1919 it carries the arrival at Halifax, at 3pm, story and states the Duchess of Devonshire and her daughter were on board. Regards.. Marj At 08:03 PM 4/29/2006, Graham Allard wrote: >FAO: Sue Swiggum > >Sue, >Had some tremendous luck my great aunt Dorothy Abraham (Nee Allard) wrote >a small book called 'Lone Cone', it was her journal of going across to >Canada to Tofino BC as a war bride with her husband. Here is a quote from >the book answering the matter of which ship and when: > >At Southampton we arrived at the boat, which was the Olympic, at that time >the largest ship afloat. She looked enormous. It was the last time she was >used as a troop ship, taking home the last load of troops, who hailed >mostly from Nova Scotia. I shall never forget the send off that they had, >the docks were black with people, bands playing, people singing and >speeches, a stirring sight. There were very few other passengers so we had >plenty of room, amongst them were the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire, the >former at that time Governor General of Canada, a few army officer and >their wives, some nurses, and a few civilians. >There was a strike on at the time, and the ship gallantly took her own way >out without a tug. we were off. Canada next Stop! > >It then goes on about the voyage and arriving six days later at Halifax to >a tremendous reception. The date I feel, but would love your confirmation, >must of been around the middle of May 1919, as she says they applied in >November 1918 and the telegram arrived one day in May giving them 1 weeks >notice to sail. Her mother and father Percy William Allard & Elizabeth >Allard sailed in 1920 I would imagine after April as that was their other >daughters wedding day in UK so presumably there must be a Form 30A >somewhere to be able to check their dates and ship. They I feel would of >done a similar journey. > >Thanks > >Graham Allard > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:TheShipsList-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:TheShipsList-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Leave Subject Line empty * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Hi Graham, At 09:03 PM 2006-04-29 -0300, Graham Allard wrote: Marj has found you some great newspaper items . . . <snip> >It then goes on about the voyage and arriving six days later at Halifax to >a tremendous reception. The date I feel, but would love your confirmation, >must of been around the middle of May 1919, as she says they applied in >November 1918 and the telegram arrived one day in May giving them 1 weeks >notice to sail. Her mother and father Percy William Allard & Elizabeth >Allard sailed in 1920 I would imagine after April as that was their other >daughters wedding day in UK so presumably there must be a Form 30A >somewhere to be able to check their dates and ship. They I feel would of >done a similar journey. Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks T-14795 OLYMPIC Southampton, England 1919-05-10 Halifax, N.S. 1919-05-16 (WSD) White Star Line / White Star-Dominion Line, Liverpool, etc., U.K. (M): Returning Military - Nominal Roll of Officers and Men Master: Bertram F. Hayes The 1920 arrival of the parents may or may not be on Form 30A, as there could be a regular passenger list . . I have no way of knowing if they would be duplicated on a manifest _and_ Form 30A Quebec, PQ continued big sheet manifests until 1921-07-13 Halifax, NS continued big sheet manifests until 1922-10-02 Saint John, NB continued big sheet manifests until 1922-09-30 Immigration Form 30A, Ocean Arrivals, 1919-1924 (RG 76 C1j): List of Microfilm Reel Numbers http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-908.004.01-e.html The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow these reels on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS now have copies of the post-1900 Canadian arrivals, so check here for links and details http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#lds Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/