Hi All Am trying to find when and how an ancestor, Elizabeth Harriet Gee, emigrated from the UK to eventually arrive in North Ogen, Weber County, Utah, USA. She was born in England in Dec 1875 and according to the US census arrived in the US in 1907. The following year she married William Youngman (who was also born in England) in North Ogden. On the 1930 census Elizabeth stated that she was born c1881 and William c1876. The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his brother but they were sent back to England. Their second attempt to enter the States through Canada was successful. However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I go about finding any records, and what are my chances of success? Chris

On 3 Aug 2006 at 11:12, Chris Moore wrote: > The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his > brother but they were sent back to England. Their second > attempt to enter the States through Canada was successful. > However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. > > Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I > go about finding any records, and what are my chances of > success? So you are looking for Canadian arrivals between 1876 and 1907? The National Archives of Canada (NAC) holds immigration records from 1865 to 1935. Unfortunately the records before 1925 are not indexed. To find a passenger you will need to know an exact date of arrival. There is no easy way to search Canadian arrival records for the unindexed period other than reading microfilm. Ships are on the reel, in order of arrival. You can find the details at this URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html If you want to order filmed passenger lists (remember they aren't indexed!), a list of NAC microfilm numbers for passenger lists to Canada 1865-1922 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_can1865.shtml If you are patient, you will soon (?) be able to search these unindexed years! Library and Archives Canada plans to digitize passenger lists for 1865 to 1935 as part of their new Moving Here, Staying Here online exhibition at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/immigrants/index-e.html ********************** What's Available Online in Passenger Lists If you want to try your luck searching transcribed ships passenger lists online, passenger lists for Ships to Canada after 1865 are freely available at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml Nanaimo Family History Society has a Passenger List Indexing Project for 1900-1921 online at http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/ ********************** There are search engines to search online free databases on multiple websites for ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml The Ontario Archives has an index to the assisted immigration registers created by the Toronto Emigrant Office between 1865 and 1883. Over 29,000 entries have been transcribed from the registers. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm ********************** Miscellaneous Websites with Immigration Information on Ships to Canada after 1865 The Ships List http://www.theshipslist.com/ Ships Passenger Lists Online http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ Finding Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://shipslists-online.rootschat.net/canada/ Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 1865-1930 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hi Chris, At 11:12 AM 2006-08-03 +0100, Chris Moore wrote: >Hi All > >Am trying to find when and how an ancestor, Elizabeth Harriet Gee, >emigrated from the UK to eventually arrive in North Ogen, Weber County, >Utah, USA. > >She was born in England in Dec 1875 and according to the US census arrived >in the US in 1907. The following year she married William Youngman (who >was also born in England) in North Ogden. On the 1930 census Elizabeth >stated that she was born c1881 and William c1876. I think you have a lot of info from the census records (I looked at 1910 & 1920 too, and they agree 100% with 1930). Don't forget that census info is age next birthday, so where they have Harriet ca. 1882, that seems to squarely place her birth year at 1881. People were known to lie, even on marriage certificates. My ggrandfather was 10 years older than his wife, but lost 4 years for his marriage and the birth of their children, but he gained them back on his death certificate. If you have proof she was born in 1875, then maybe she told William she was younger . . amazing that she remembered consistantly for so many years . . great memory. The 1930 census does state that she was 26 and William 31, when they married. Simple subtraction makes that 1908, however seeing it was "age next birthday" for the census, it could be 1907 ! As they both consistantly show emigration year as 1907, they may have been married in England, so you may be looking for an Elizabeth Youngman, rather than a Gee. >The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his brother but they >were sent back to England. Their second attempt to enter the States >through Canada was successful. >However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. > >Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I go about >finding any records, and what are my chances of success? It would be strange that they would be sent back from Canada, as they were British, but they may have been denied entry by the US for something such as LPC. ...LPC, stands for "Likely Public Charge." The LPC exclusion was introduced to US immigration law in 1891 and was the most common cause of detention and grounds for exclusion/deportation. Immigrants were most likely considered a likely public charge if they had little money AND no family, friends, or prospects, OR if they were disabled in some way that would prevent them from earning their own living. The majority of LPC exclusions were overcome during the Special Inquiry process, usually when friends, family, or some Immigrant Aid organization came and vouched for the person or posted a bond for them. ... My suggestion is to work backward to the Canadian record. As you have some indication that at least William arrived via Canada, then go to the CAN-US border records, the St. Albans lists. Begin with the index for the passenger manifests for the CAN-US border records, the St. Albans lists. US via Canada http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#St.Albans M-1461 Soundex Index to Canadian Border Entries through the St. Albans, VT, District After you locate the NARA microfilm number, make sure you check the link called "Immigration Microfilm CATalog Converter" to check the LDS film numbers for the same microfilm. The card index will tell you lots of details should you locate William & / or Elizabeth. If you find him / them, you will be pointed toward the arrival manifest NARA M-1464, which will tell you the ship and port of arrival, so then you can also go after the Canadian record for the same arrival. If they did arrive via Canada in transit to the US, you stand to be able to acquire 3 documents for him / them, because with ship name, British port of departure (probably Liverpool) and date of departure, you can then take a trip to Kew to search their British outbound lists. Those are original documents, unindexed and unfilmed, so with specific information even if you have to hire a researcher if you can't go to London yourself, it will keep the cost down. :-} Both the Canadian arrival records and the US border index and passenger manifests are available through the LDS, so you should be able to have them brought to your local LDS Family History Centre. You can be thankful you are searching for Youngman and / or Gee, rather than Smith or Jones. :-} Good luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/