Does anyone anywhere know how I would find information about ships and passengers in the 1700s? I've been trying for years to locate a 'Brig Mary' that supposedly sailed from Liverpool (may have originated in Dublin) to Baltimore (Port Tobacco) around 1709 (1700-1710) carrying a passenger named Thomas Delany and family but have not had any luck. I've been a member of the list for many years and I think I've only had one response in all that time saying how scarce this information is. I definitely agree but I thought I would inquire one more time before leaving the list as so much information has been made available in the interim I was hoping someone might have a clue or two I could follow up on. Thomas Delany was my immigrant and family lore would take me back 200 years more but his father ('said to be' Gideon Delaune) is the missing link that ties it all together and I can't deal with 'gossip' or 'it is said' and I would like to close in on this to complete the lines that I have. The Delany/Dulany family is well documented after their arrival in America ca. 1700-1710 (his 3 sons preceeded him aroud 1700-1704 and the Delaune family is well documented in England but so far Delany/Delaune connection has not be provable by documentation and there is another faction who believes this connection is false and his line goes back to the ancient septs. I happen to be in the Delaune camp because of stories handed down by my grandmothers over the generations but we all know that that is not exactly factually reliable over time. The fact that most Irish records were destroyed has not helped at all and the family from Delaune back were Huguenots and I have not found any of those registers either. Well, I digress, please respond with any threads that I might follow for the Brig Mary around 1708/9... Hopefully, Barbara DULANEY Engel OKC, OK, USA ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Deaths at sea, obtaining certificates (Sally Haden) > 2. *new* for TheShipsList website (Sue Swiggum) > 3. Unsubscribe (Cindy Burgwin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:09:05 +0000 > From: Sally Haden <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Deaths at sea, obtaining certificates > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi folks, > A few people seem to be asking how to find deaths at sea and how to > get a certificate. > > I am new to the list and this was/is my problem. All I can > contribute is what I have found so far, and that is as regards the > deaths at sea of English people, from a British-registered ship. > > On Findmypast you can do a free search, then pay for whatever you find. > http://www.findmypast.com/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp > > When you are there, > you can go to Deaths at sea 1854-1890 (assuming that covers it) for a > handwritten records which the GRO made when the RGSS (Register > General of Shipping and Seamen) notified them of deaths at sea, as it > was obliged to do. > > and/or > > you can go to Deaths - British overseas, by date, where you can get > the GRO number to order a certificate. > > Personally I didn't want to have to pay the minimum subscription > because I subscribe for most of my material elsewhere, so I went to a > local library where there were British Overseas deaths on fiche and > got the registration number. The GRO told me that you need > "Overseas" then within that "Marine", and of course the ship and > people, name and date. Not all local resources have the "Overseas" > section in their collection of BMD, so it's best to find out before > going. > > Ancestry do not have the Overseas BMD! At least not according to my > searches, my library's searches and the searches of other people. > > I have yet to order a certificate for the death at sea that I want, > because I am a little unclear whether it is going to tell me anything > more than I already know. I am going to ask the GRO themselves if > they can tell me what the certificate headings are. The RGSS sent > some inaccurate data to the GRO in the case of the family I am > following (Christian names and ages are very loose), so I would like > to see if this was corrected in the certificates, or if the > certificates just blindly copied what the RGSS sent them, without > following up the information to establish who these people were > (which seems a little bizarre for an official "death certificate"?). > > As you may already know, you can get a death certificate in different > ways. The GRO will send you one through an internet or phone order. > They charge according to whether you have the required GRO reference > numbers or not, and whether you want it in the post or online. > > The Overseas>Marine Deaths index appears to provide only one GRO > reference number. For a death in England and Wales you get a > registration district number and a page number. In the case I have > followed up on Overseas>Marine, there is only a page number. I guess > they don't have/need a registration district number for this because > it's one volume, "Marine". > > If, before all this, you have problems with the date or other > details, then you can first try The Times archive, for which you will > need to pay a minimum subscription to search. But if you find the > event there, you may have lots of additional interesting information. > > My apologies if I have any of this wrong! When I hear back from the > GRO, I will post to the list again. > > Regards > Sally > in Yorkshire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:30:37 -0300 > From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] *new* for TheShipsList website > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own > page(s) > Find them on the front page in between the big arrows > --------------> <--------------- > > At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous > month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth > between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of > *new* page links on the Home page. New for October 2008 is . . . > > o Fleets: > o Commonwealth Line (Australia) > o Atlantic Steam Navigation Company 1946-1971 > o Zuid Hollandsche Scheepvaart Maatschappij 1917-1968 &c. > > Three more Fleets bringing our Fleets to over 30,000 ships. > > o Arrivals: > o Ships to Quebec 1830 (completed ...4 pages) > > Have finally finished the 1830 papers. The last page contains interesting > items such as that two of the ships, the brig MALAY from Tobermory, brought > 50 settlers to Quebec, but had first stopped at Cape Breton, NS and > disembarked 211 passengers there. Also, the brig CROWN, from Glasgow, > doesn't mention any passengers for Quebec, but had left 209 passengers at > Cape Breton. > As usual, lots of interesting news items, with so very many settlers some > even arriving as late in the season as October 31st !! Usually the > latest you see settlers arriving, is mid September. > btw. I'm beginning the 1830 steamboat lists, so hopefully we'll be able to > see at least some of those tens of thousands of settlers. > > o Passengers: > o barque Duchess of Northumberland, from Southampton to Port > Adelaide 29th February 1856 > o ship Amazon, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 8th April 1856 > o barque Violet, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 13th April 1856 > o barque Aurora, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 22nd May 1856 > > Four more ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856, we > now have nine for that year. I'm noticing ships which are much more mixed > than large regional groups of passengers which we've seen in the > past. There are also a lot more single men than before, especially more > than in 1855. > > If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) > to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or > myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for > Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, > so it can be added as a note to the list. > > Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list > to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those > list members (in other words, on-topic). > > Enjoy ! > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cindy Burgwin <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Unsubscribe > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Unsubscribe > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:02 AM > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Chris Woods) > 2. "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details (Sally > Haden) > 3. Ship Iris ([email protected]) > 4. Re: "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) (Betty) > 5. John Forster - Stockton on Tees (Ethel Howell) > 6. Christiana (gordon) > 7. Re: Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Christine Miller) > 8. Death at sea (Edna Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:06:38 -0000 > From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > > > > Dear Christine, > > came in late on this one: > > HESTIA 118 tons, Steam, first registered Greenock, 31st. March 1876 > so > fits nicely between the REGARD and the DIANA > > There are no documents for this ship at the National Archives.# > > Various documents from the Registrar General of (British) Ships and Seamen > for 'HASTIA' O.N. 72046 at the Memorial University, Newfoundland, up > to > and including 1884: > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php > > For the 1885 documents, if they have survived, you should try Greenwich, > ensuring you include her Official Number > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/ > > If the ship was lost, you might try: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/SHIPWRECK.html > > Chris > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:02:59 +0000 > From: Sally Haden <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi folks, > > Have any of you got a death certificate for a person who was drowned > at sea? > > I would like to know what differences there are between one of those > and a normal England/Wales Death certificate, please. > > I finally have the GRO reference after following the GRO's > instructions. I needed the "Overseas" section of their indexes, then > > within that "Marine, deaths". > > I just don't know if it worth sending for. So what columns are there > on a "Marine" (drowned at sea, overseas) death certificate? > > Cheers, > Sally > in chilly Yorkshire this morning > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:52:40 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [TSL] Ship Iris > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Looking for the ship Iris which arrived Galveston, Texas Dec. 1856. My > gggrandfather, Michael Nienast ( Neunast/Nehnast) and several of his children > > including my ggrandmother Ottillie and her husband Karl Pietsch, were > passengers. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you, Marilyn > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's > Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:25:21 -0400 > From: "Betty" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > To: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > I don't know what your query was. But, I can mention that I tried to find > > information on-line about the "Lyon" last week and wasn't very > successful. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:05 AM > Subject: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:35 +0000 > From: Ethel Howell <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] John Forster - Stockton on Tees > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > My great great grandfather, John Forster, was born about 1805 at > Stockton on Tees, UK. I believe there is an entry for his death in > "Deaths at Sea 1837-1845" , perhaps before 1842. Can anyone please > tell > me the Index Number of this entry so that I can obtain a death > certificate? His wife's name was Martha, and their last child was born > in 1835. I believe he was possibly an Only Mate, and might have sailed > on the ship "Packet" from Stockton. > > I would be grateful for any help as I have been searching for him for a > long time. > > Ethel Howell. > -- > Ethel Howell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0500 > From: "gordon" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Christiana > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I wonder if anyone has info or picture of the ship Christiana? My GGrandparents > came over from England in 1856. The ship arrived in New York in December of > 1856. > Gordon > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:03:22 -0000 > From: "Christine Miller" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > To: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Chris, > > Thankyou for that. Since then, I have found that the Mrs ORR reported as > drowned, was in fact a Mr. David ORR, me misreading Mr for Mrs. (Should > have gone to SpecSavers)! However, this may help someone else looking for > Hestia in the future. > I appreciate your help. > > Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06 AM > Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:50:34 +1200 > From: Edna Young <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Death at sea > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Can anyone tell me if and where I would be able to find info about a young man > who drowned at sea in 1845. He was Septimus Levering Cartwright born in 1826. > Septimus was the son of Thomas CARTWRIGHT AND Mary TREEN. The family lived in > Kent England. I am only guessing that perhaps he was a seaman on a ship. > > Ednda Young > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 > ******************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 290 > ********************************************