Good morning Mike, Well, sounds like your ship so I'd get a copy of those documents from Newfoudland. Probably cost around £30 but, assuming this is the vessel you are looking for, seems like they have everything you could ask for. Once you establish who the owner is, and where she was then registered, you might be able to find more from the records of her home port [see 'Stephen Watson' below]. By the way, the 'Agnes Jessie' 28889 187 t. Sail, was first registered in the port of Glasgow, 6.10.1860, her port registration number being 80:1860, although there is always a possibility that she was re-registered in another port, but the timescale suggests not. You might like to check the Clydeside archives: 'Stephen Watson' o.n. 2661 Signal Code letters H.Q.C.K. recorded in 1857 MN List (and therefore in others) 1st registered Sunderl;and, 240 t. sail 157._1838 This could be either her port number in 1838, or the 157th. day in 1838 You will need to check/clarify with Sunderland archives (I think they have a maritime museum) Don't forget to ask for their Ship Transaction Documents which they should have on fiche. They record a ship's owners during the period of her registration in that port, and can prove useful for further research into the lifr of a ship. These fiche were issued by the Registrar to those port museums and/or libraries that wanted them, a few years ago Some still have their original copies, which also might be found in County Archives {Essex is a good example of that] appears to have been "lost ??? 31/3/1866" but I might have misread this. Newfoundland has something for 1863: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=2661 I2 - (AC) Agreement and account of crew in a foreign-going ship. No official log present. So, another Foreign Going vessel so you might like to try the other sites, including Greenwith for 1865. As she was wrecked you might want to join the Shipwreck forum: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/SHIPWRECK.html By the way, the Mercantile Navy List for 1860 is readable on Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=0ekNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PT717&dq=The+Mercantile+Navy+List+1860#PPT1,M1 which includes some Masters and Mates but give little apart from O.N. and code signals for the ships. which you might like to explore for your ships. Do please let us know how you get on with your searches as everyone will benefit from learning which resources prove the most useful. I would suggest you keep the same title By the way, all of you looking into ship research should look at the C.L.I.P. project Chris > Chris, > > Many thanks for the details. I have found a couple of Arrivals in > Sydney Australis for the "Agnes Jessie". Lacks much detail but the > signatures fit the marriage certificate that came yesterday. There were > 50 arrivals logged between 1862 and 1882 in Sydney, so was obviously > kept busy. > > By the way how did you find the Official Number? I have his > father-in-law's 218 ton brig, the "Stephen Watson" out of The Wear to > sort out. > > People I can usually manage, but shipping is very new to me. > > Kind regards > > Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> To: "Mike YEGWART" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] Capt. Adam McDonald > Hi Mike, > > You might like to have a look at some of the sites here, to begin with: > http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm > > and if his ship visited America, he may well be found here: > http://library.mysticseaport.org/ > where you can search by Master's name, as well a sby ship's name.. > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch.cfm > > If you find what may be one of his ships, you will have to find her > Official Number. > This is essential for further research using a ship's name. For example, > someone recently was looking for a ship called the EMILY. Well, there > would literally have been hundreds built with that name, but their O.N. > is their unique identifier, and it is carved into her main beam, for > life (nowadays it is welded on). > > If you eventually identify any of his ships, we can then start searching > for their documents including crew lists, accounts of voyages and log > books, many of which survive. > > Can you give any indication at all as to where he might have sailed? > You need to consider whether he worked in Home Waters (i.e. UK and Near > Continent) in which case he might not have needed a Certificate of > Competency as a Master (which makes things rather difficult). There is > also the Middle Trade which extends from the Baltic to the Med., for > which he would need a 'ticket, and finally 'Foreign' which covers the > whole world. > > A word of caution - Master Mariner is a 'qualification' or level of > competance. Did he actually sail as Master? > > If you do find one of his ships's this can lead to a backward search > through his career as seamen had to declare the name of their previous > ship when first joining another, complete with date of leaving. > > and: > AGNES JESSIE Official Number 28889 One set of original document in > the Newfoundland archives: > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=28889 > which holds most of the British 'Registrar General of Ships and Seamen' > records. In this case it is a very useful: > J1 - List C. Account of crew of foreign going ship, to be delivered at the > end of the voyage to the shipping master at the "above" port. Official log > present. (For a partial image of the first page of a type List C "J" coded > crew list see Code J2 List C below.) or: > Schedule C. A list of the crew (including master and apprentices) > at the time of departure from a port in the United Kingdom. Official log > present > > If the date fits your man, you need to contact the Memorial Museum: > http://www.mun.ca/mha/ > > There are no documents for this ship at the National Archives (Kew). For > years ending with a 5, you might find something at Greenwich but I cannot > search their archives on line for you. > Chris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike YEGWART" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:00 PM > Subject: [TSL] Capt. Adam McDonald > > >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone come across a Master Mariner, Adam McDonald born about 1826, >> around the 1860's? Possibly working out of Sunderland, England. 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