In a message dated 3/8/2010 3:28:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Incoming U.K. Lists (Sue Swiggum) 2. Re: Crowley's arrival (Sue Swiggum) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:56:40 -0400 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Incoming U.K. Lists To: Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20100307114504.00c2bec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Bobbi, The 1810-1811 and 1826-1869 aren't actually passenger lists, just lists of aliens arriving and the dates are just start and end year with very big holes in between. The years of surviving records vary with each port of arrival. >> This data collection contains lists of aliens (non-British citizens) arriving in England between 1810 and 1869. Information listed on the records generally includes: name of alien, port and date of arrival, ship. country of origin, age, and profession. << The UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 are passenger lists and are far more comprehensive .... not just aliens. These records are consistant from 1890 ----->>> . To learn more about these records, read the article Debbie Beavis wrote for TheShipsList. http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/ukrecords.html As with most of us ... "Murphy" is always alive and well for at least one ancestor :-} Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 12:20 AM 2010-03-07 -0500, Bobbi wrote: >Hi, > >Could anyone tell me why there are breaks in the lists of incoming alien >passengers? > >I looked at Ancestry and they have the following: >1810-11 & 1826-69 >1878-1960 > >Of course, the time I would be looking for would be between 1870 & 1872. > >Bobbi ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:08:26 -0400 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Crowley's arrival To: eleanor crowley <eleanorc@eastlink.ca>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20100307183518.00c22570@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Eleanor, In Daniel F. Johnson's book "Irish Emigration to New England Through the Port of Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada," there are some Crowley mentions ... 2 for a Cornelius and 3 for a John. None of the dates match each other. One Cornelius was admitted to the Lunatic Asylum for one month in 1843, but although he was from Cork (Cobh), he was 31. The other was from Cork, age 20, and was admitted to the Alms House in 1847. The first John died in 1842, age 24 .. the 2nd age 28 also from Cork arrived on the PALLAS in 1845 and was admitted to the Alms House in 1846 ... the 3rd, also from Cork, age 70 died in 1847, aboard the WARD CHIPMAN. So, you see, something pretty drastic had to happen to you to rate a mention in the surviving records. Have you checked the New Brunswick Archives ? http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/default.aspx?culture=en-CA Your oral family history most likely has a lot of truth, they all do and although they are often embellished or misremembered, they may be the only 'record' we have which brings us closer to the truth. It is quite feasible that your Crowley's walked to Pugwash, NS from Saint John NB. There should be a record of the emigration in the newspapers on each end, naming ship and date(s), but there would be no surviving information about passenger emigration from 1841. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:33 AM 2010-03-03 -0400, eleanor crowley wrote: >Our family left Ireland 1841 from Cobh ( they were from Dunmanway). The >father John (age 52) and son Cornelius ( age 17) boarded ship on St. >Patrick's Day but didn't sail until April 1st due to unfavourable sailing >conditions. They arrived in St. John, N.B. on May 25th and from there >walked to Pugwash, N.S. and forward the story goes. I can't find any >records for this. I know St. John lost the records that include these >years but where would I look for Ships Boarding records? There should >be a record of the ship since we know the date of departure but I am >having no luck there either. Everything I know ( which could be like >other oral family histories) seems to be enclosed in a black hole >somewhere as I am having no luck. HELP Eleanor ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 53 *******************************************