Hello, I get clues for my search from the smallest things. What does the sentence below mean,,,how do I do that? "requesting a search from the INS". I took this from your reply to SmithinDC@aol.com dated 06 June . My grandmother and her mother came from Hamburg and I cannot find them. All my information is from my grandmother. " I was 6 months old when I came over with my mother". "I was born in Hamburg Germany , 23-12-1884". So I assume that she came over mid 1885. Her name was Tillie to me but on a court document I read she was Ottilie.. which is the same. On a 1910 and 1920 census she gives her age to agree with her birthdate. Her mother was always known as Helen but on a SS application her son made, he wrote she was Helene Katherina ( last name unknown ). That was a blow since I kept trying to figure out the last name and never saw what the words really said. I have Helen's death certificate and I have a grave by her husband but it has only one word on the cemetery plot card....KLINE... Now I have another name and don't know what it means. There is no other mention anyplace of Kline and knowing how things are written it could have been KLIEN OR KLEIN. Then a second child was born in Wisconsin in July of 1886. That would reinforce the arrival date..of mid 1885. So, I know several things but can prove nothing since the surname is GRANT and I believe it was Americanized. So, my hope is to get the indexes from Hamburg ordered and look for a mother of 28 yrs. and child of 6 months named Ottilie..Maybe the last name will be on there and then I will have something. (I know the ggrandfather came as a stowaway sometime within 15 months of the wife and child..) That is a lot of looking and a lot of waiting since the last records I ordered from the LDS arrived not as indexes but passenger lists in German. I ordered the wrong thing. Any other suggestions while I wait for new films to arrive? You can see how the Hamburg lists and the starting years is a blow also..Waiting again.The family has something that they are trying to hide,, and all the family papers and naturalization was trashed to keep me from finding( what?). I hope I find it before they are all gone. It is my history also ,, does not just belong to those in their 80's. I am the person who had the "73 FAMILY RELATED BUSEHLEHNERS CAME OVER AT THE SAME TIME ON THE SAME SHIP IN 1893". I hope I have some luck soon. Betty in North Carolina -------------------------------- End of TheShipsList-D Digest V00 Issue #534 ******************************************* From TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com Fri Jul 28 19:24:29 2000 Return-Path: <TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6T2OTw29809 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:24:29 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6T2OUN06136 for indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:24:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:24:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200007290224.e6T2OUN06136@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: TheShipsList-D Digest V00 #534 X-Loop: TheShipsList-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TheShipsList-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/534 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: TheShipsList-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain TheShipsList-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 534 Today's Topics: #1 [TSL] Ship names beginning with Co ["Bruce Holm" <bholm@ihug.co.nz>] #2 [TSL] Alien Registration Form, was [SmithinDC@aol.com] #3 [TSL] Liverpool/London to Halifax [Priscilla Pollman <ppollman@libby.] #4 Re: [TSL] Boston arrival ["jack murphy" <jjmurphy@earthlink.] #5 Re: [TSL] S.S. 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