I am trying to find info on the ship Chippewa which visited Nw Orleans in 1848. How many trips to the city in 1848. Any possible photos or images of this ship? Thank you...Tom

David, I've been thinking a bit about your query and did find her departure from Stockholm, with a registration date of 29th April 1887 .... this does NOT mean she departed on that actual date. I was puzzling over the departure port, as most Swedes would emigrate through Göteborg. She was from Rasbo, Uppsala, so it would be an easy train trip to that port. The fewer who did depart from Stockholm did seem to have gone from there to an eastern European port to embark on a transatlantic ship. Yesterday I looked at the US (New York) arrivals and saw a "Jensine Eriksson" the right age, on the ADRIATIC arriving June 4th, however she had originated at Göteborg. Today I had another look and found a "Jenny Eriksson" age 23, travelling with a male called Wilh. Eriksson, age 21 on the ROTTERDAM, from Rotterdam, arriving NY on May 27th 1887. The trouble is that she is indicated as from "Hungary" with ditto marks for Wilh. That seemed most unlikely, as there were Swedes on the page, but a variety of nationalities, so the compiler might have made an error. I decided to test the theory that they were Swedes, so checked the Swedish records again and BINGO, I found "Wilhelmina Eriksson" born about 1866 from exactly the same place, registered on exactly the same day with an archive number just one digit higher that Jennys. I am convinced they are the same two I found on the ROTTERDAM. Now ... did the purser make THREE errors and they were both Swedes (not Hungarian) and that "Wilh." was a female (not a male) and a labourer in the male compartment, ... OR, did the Swedish indexer confuse the sex of the 21 year old and that she "Wilhelmina" was actually a he "Wilhelm?" You would know best whether your g-grandmother had a younger sister or a younger brother .. "Wilh." :-} Unfortunately, as with New York passenger lists of that period ... there is no other useful passenger information. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:55 AM 2010-03-22 -0400, David E. Cann wrote: >Thank you for the information. I am going to try once again searching for >the ship and passenger list here myself as well, but I've not done very well >at all in past attempts, so I am hesitant to predict any results. Hers has >been a difficult trail to follow, partially because it goes through at least >three countries, so that fact has not been very helpful either. > > >David E. Cann >decann@infionline.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bobbi >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:03 PM >To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TSL] Looking for an arrival in New York > >Hi David, > >I found her leaving Sweden. But so far unable to find her entering the U.S. >I will send what I found directly to you. > >Bobbi > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David E. Cann" >To: "The Ships List Posting" <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:21 PM >Subject: [TSL] Looking for an arrival in New York > > > > > > Name - Jenny Wilhelmina Eriksson (surname could be listed as Eriksdottir) > > > > DOB - 30 Dec 1863 > > > > Port of departure - Stockholm, Sweden > > > > Date of departure - 24 April 1887 > > > > Planned destination - New York

Thank you for the information. I am going to try once again searching for the ship and passenger list here myself as well, but I've not done very well at all in past attempts, so I am hesitant to predict any results. Hers has been a difficult trail to follow, partially because it goes through at least three countries, so that fact has not been very helpful either. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bobbi Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TSL] Looking for an arrival in New York Hi David, I found her leaving Sweden. But so far unable to find her entering the U.S. I will send what I found directly to you. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" To: "The Ships List Posting" <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: [TSL] Looking for an arrival in New York > > Name - Jenny Wilhelmina Eriksson (surname could be listed as Eriksdottir) > > DOB - 30 Dec 1863 > > Port of departure - Stockholm, Sweden > > Date of departure - 24 April 1887 > > Planned destination - New York ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, I found her leaving Sweden. But so far unable to find her entering the U.S. I will send what I found directly to you. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" To: "The Ships List Posting" <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: [TSL] Looking for an arrival in New York > > Name - Jenny Wilhelmina Eriksson (surname could be listed as Eriksdottir) > > DOB - 30 Dec 1863 > > Port of departure - Stockholm, Sweden > > Date of departure - 24 April 1887 > > Planned destination - New York

Okay folks, I am about to venture back into an attempt at finding immigration information on another ancestor after my first attempts at doing so turned into a complete flop. I don't know what my mental block is with this, but while I've done genealogy research more than twenty years I seem to have a heck of a time with ships manifests, ships, and such. Now, armed with some new information I just received, following are the basic facts as I know them, and below that is my question: Name - Jenny Wilhelmina Eriksson (surname could be listed as Eriksdottir) DOB - 30 Dec 1863 Port of departure - Stockholm, Sweden Date of departure - 24 April 1887 Planned destination - New York This lady is my g-grandmother, and her surname is spelled as it was given to me, but please note that due to customary European naming conventions her surname may be spelled one of two different ways. I am not necessarily looking for someone to look it all up for me, but I would sure be grateful if someone did. I would be tickled to death if someone could simply give me some guidance and the direction to locate the following: 1. Name of ship and date of arrival in New York 2. Ship's passenger manifest (did she arrive alone or with her family?) 3. Any other pertinent information available the voyage, ship, passengers or crew. I'm about to begin a search on my own, because I need to learn how to do this hopefully without the frustration I keep hitting in the past, but I welcome any information or guidance some kind soul out there might have to offer. I thank you in advance. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Hello everyone My GG-Grandfather, Captain James NEISH was a mariner who went to India under the license of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, as a free mariner, in about 1807. I have been able to record most of his Ships and Voyages from then until about 1840 when he retired from the sea and made his home in Dundee, Scotland. . His wife and family always sailed with him and all the children were born in Asia. My question is not so much about him but about his eldest son, Thomas NEISH, born July 26, 1817 - In Bengal, India. While I was able to continue the Family History from 1840 onward in Scotland, no mention of the Son Thomas was ever included. My Captain died in 1867 and it was evident by his Last Will that the family had lost track of Thomas - as - he made provision for his son Thomas, adding "if he be in life". I have always hoped to be the one to find the missing son but to no avail - until to-day when I found an entry that has given me a glimmer of hope. It reads :: Algoa Bay - APAME Brig 167 - T. NEISH - from London July 12 to this port Oct. 1847 I have also been able to ascertain that The Brig APAME was Dundee Registered. Might someone be able to point me in the direction to take me a step further ? Much obliged for any and all direction Barbara Neish Bermuda

Hi Vicki I'm sure you're question will be answered regarding the routing of ships from Shanghai to the UK. My experience from my own research shows people travelled either via San Francisco, then New York then UK OR via Vancouver then the UK. However, There are two free online newspapers that you can try and do searches on. One is the Hong Kong newspapers which has ships arriving and departing from Hong Kong via Shanghai along with passenger lists and can be found on this link http://hkclweb.hkpl.gov.hk/hkclr2/internet/eng/html/frm-adv_srch.html The Hongkong newspapers take a while to become familiar with the search engine, as it can be a little tricky to make it do what you want it to do! The other is the Singapore newspapers, again, if you are patient and prepared to search, will come up with passenger lists. The link is http://newspapers.nl.sg/Default.aspx good Luck Liz Chater Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to www.chater-genealogy.com.

HI Can anyone tell me the route likely to of been taken by a ship sailing from Shanghai to the UK please between 1881 and 1891. I am trying to trace my Great grandmother's passage to North Wales. I know she was born in Shanghai, c1873, and she appears on the 1891 census with an aunt in Wales. I can find no trace of her on passenger lists however, so am not sure how she arrived. Would a ship sail direct to the UK from Shanghai or would it sail to the US and then would they come from the US to the UK? This is really puzzling me, and something I have been trying to track down for a long while. Her name is Minnie Nelson, I know her father was Andrew Nelson but I dont know what nationality he was and he is not on the 1891 census with her. The aunt she is with in 1891, was married to a master mariner Captain William Thomas, but I am unsure if he was still sailing. If she came across to the UK from Shanghai as a guest of the Captain, would she of been on the ships manifest? I hope someone can help, like I say I have had no luck finding her on passenger lists. Many thanks Vicki

Hi All, This is my first posting to Ships List but I have been reading the '[TSL] manifests process & "missing" child' postings with interest. Since 'my' ship and passengers were travelling in earlier times than the ship in the above discussion, I am not sure if the conclusions about the accuracy of the manifests applies in my case. I have a situation where only one child was listed as travelling with the parents on the ship's manifest. However I think that there should have been two children travelling with the parents, either all or part of the way. The ship departed England in Sept 1823 & arrived in Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land (aka Tasmania Australia) in April 1824. The ship had pulled in at the Cape of Good Hope for about 6 weeks on its way to VDL. It is possible that the second child was born on board the ship or even at the Cape. My questions are: 1) Am I right in thinking that the Ship's Manifest was written up before the ship departed? 2) If a child was born on board or at a port of call along the way (say Cape of Good Hope), was the manifest updated to show the new passenger? 3) How did the local reporter for the Shipping News section of the newspaper in, say, Hobart Town get the names of the Arrivals from a particular ship? Was he given a copy of the manifest, for instance? Or did he do a head count of his own, asking names as each family group disembarked? Looking forward to your help, Regards, Ailsa

Thank you, Sue, for your analysis and insights. You clearly spent some time looking into the question and I really appreciate it. Your opinion that "Katerzina Stumphold" is my Katharina is useful to me, because I was beginning to doubt my own interpretation (due to the lack of her child Josephine accompanying her). There certainly seem to be plenty of specifics confirming that Katharina and Katerzina are one and the same. Indeed I have the Hermann Stumfal/Stumfel records for the 1907 Kroonland arrival. Hermann, Katharina, and Josephine were together in Ottawa, La Salle County, Illinois in the 1920 census. Hermann and Katharina both died there later in that decade. Much of what I know about Hermann's family is from a probate court in La Salle. It's hard to read, but I think the 1910 Lapland manifest indicates that Katerzina/Katharina's final destination was with her husband Hermann at Galesburg, Illinois (spelled more like Galesbierg in the manifest). If this is Galesburg, it is about 75 miles southwest of Ottawa, in a different county. I particularly appreciate your opinion that it is unlikely that Katharina would be travelling with her 3-year-old daughter Josephine and that this fact would be omitted from the manifest. Obviously, this is critical to determining what actually transpired. The family "story" is that Katharina travelled with daughter Josephine to join Hermann in Illinois, leaving another daughter (Karoline) behind in Austria/Romania with an aunt. Then at some point Hermann supposedly travelled back to Romania to bring Karoline to the US with him, but the aunt insisted that Karoline stay with her, and Hermann returned empty-handed. I have been unable *so far* to locate a later travel record for Hermann and/or Josephine, for what that's worth. Based on what I have found from the manifests, the family story appears to be incorrect as to Josephine travelling with Katharina. If I can find a later record of Josephine travelling to the US by herself or with her father (or anyone else), then that would certainly confirm that key parts of the story are incorrect. Thanks again. Maybe I'm not going crazy after all... :-) Mark Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:45:31 AM, Sue wrote: > Hi Mark, > I'm sure that you have found Katharina "Stumpold." The missing Josephine > is a puzzle to me too. btw. she was going to husband Hermann. She was 37 > .. it was overwritten, but the 7 has a slash through it (check the others > on the page.) Her Mum's name looks more like Anna Silvolka ;-} > I looked up Hermann's emigration in 1907 and as he travelled on the > KROONLAND (same shipping line) from Antwerp (same port of departure) it > would follow that his family would take the same route. I expect you've > found him before, but if not, HERMANN STUMFAL/ STUMFEL arrived at New York > on August 6th 1907, entered twice ... (wrongly indexed as 71, then > correctly as 41, where he was held for one day as a "likely public charge. > [LPC]") ... he was leaving behind Katherina Stumfal at "..Gurohomura..?" > ... there is too much written over who he as going to, for me to be able > to figure it out. Likely someone vouched for him, for him to be held for > one day only. > I think it is highly unlikely that the child would have been omitted from > the list. Even if they'd missed including her with her mother, there > would have been cross-references. They were very good at making > relationship notes. At only 3 in 1910, I don't think she would have > any/many memories of such a trip. I wonder if she stayed with Grandma and > that Mum went back later, to get her ...or, she arrived later with a friend > or relative. In the 1900's to would expect her to be travelling under > her own name, listed as niece for example. My ggrandmother had gone to > Australia with her aunt in 1862 and was not listed under her own name, but > collectively under her aunt's married name and age 7 rather than 9 ... took > a while to prove that one, the final step being that aunt's death > certificate showing "no issue." > Going to northern IL ... Johnsburg? ... there is a possibility of Canadian > arrival too. > I looked at the family in the 1920 census and it shows 1910 for both > Josephine and her mother ... curiously father says he emigrated in 1896, > however, on the 1907 manifest, it says he had never been in the US > before. I wonder who answered the questions? The actual Emigration Year > on both naturalization (for those who arrived prior to 1906) and on census > forms is the most misremembered part of the date ... usually by 1 to 3 > years ... 11 years is a bit of a stretch. > btw. you are right about how many spellings of the surname ... wow ! > Sue

Hi Mark, I'm sure that you have found Katharina "Stumpold." The missing Josephine is a puzzle to me too. btw. she was going to husband Hermann. She was 37 .. it was overwritten, but the 7 has a slash through it (check the others on the page.) Her Mum's name looks more like Anna Silvolka ;-} I looked up Hermann's emigration in 1907 and as he travelled on the KROONLAND (same shipping line) from Antwerp (same port of departure) it would follow that his family would take the same route. I expect you've found him before, but if not, HERMANN STUMFAL/ STUMFEL arrived at New York on August 6th 1907, entered twice ... (wrongly indexed as 71, then correctly as 41, where he was held for one day as a "likely public charge. [LPC]") ... he was leaving behind Katherina Stumfal at "..Gurohomura..?" ... there is too much written over who he as going to, for me to be able to figure it out. Likely someone vouched for him, for him to be held for one day only. I think it is highly unlikely that the child would have been omitted from the list. Even if they'd missed including her with her mother, there would have been cross-references. They were very good at making relationship notes. At only 3 in 1910, I don't think she would have any/many memories of such a trip. I wonder if she stayed with Grandma and that Mum went back later, to get her ...or, she arrived later with a friend or relative. In the 1900's to would expect her to be travelling under her own name, listed as niece for example. My ggrandmother had gone to Australia with her aunt in 1862 and was not listed under her own name, but collectively under her aunt's married name and age 7 rather than 9 ... took a while to prove that one, the final step being that aunt's death certificate showing "no issue." Going to northern IL ... Johnsburg? ... there is a possibility of Canadian arrival too. I looked at the family in the 1920 census and it shows 1910 for both Josephine and her mother ... curiously father says he emigrated in 1896, however, on the 1907 manifest, it says he had never been in the US before. I wonder who answered the questions? The actual Emigration Year on both naturalization (for those who arrived prior to 1906) and on census forms is the most misremembered part of the date ... usually by 1 to 3 years ... 11 years is a bit of a stretch. btw. you are right about how many spellings of the surname ... wow ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 08:55 PM 2010-03-14 -0400, mark-toss wrote: >I searched the archives and didn't see anything similar to my question, so >I thought I would post it here. If there is a better place for me to >look, please let me know. > >My father heard stories from his mother Josephine regarding her trip (with >her mother Katharina) from Eastern Europe to New York in the 1910-1913 >timeframe. Katharina & Josephine Stumpholl travelled from the little town >of Gura Humora (aka Gura Humorolui) in the Suceava, Bukovina region of >greater Austria, in what is now northern Romania. Around 1880, Gura Humora >had around 3,000 residents. There might have been twice that number >living there in 1910. The family were native German speakers. Katharina >and child were emigrating to join her husband, Hermann Stumpholl, in >northern Illinois. By the way, there are many spellings of the surname, >including Stumvoll, Stumfol, Stumpal, etc. > >I think I have found my Katharina Stumpholl on the SS Lapland, sailing >from Antwerp 7 May 1910 and arriving at New York on 16 May 1910. Line 2 >of the manifest has a Katerzina Stumphold, "race or people" German, last >permanent residence "Gorahumora", travelling to Illinois to join her >husband (name unreadable, unfortunately). The age of this passenger has >been hand-corrected and is hard to read, but it could be 34 -- *my* >Katharina would have been 37 when the ship sailed. This passenger's >nearest relative in the country of origin appears to be given as "Anna >Sibrolks". The mother of my Katharina is named in a Romanian probate >document as Anna Szyprowski. This passenger on the Lapland certainly >looks like a good match with my great-grandmother. > >Here's the problem... There is no child listed as traveling with her. I >quickly read through each of the manifest images -- roughly 1,000 names -- >in case her daughter Josephine/Josepha Stumpholl was not listed on the >same page. I did not see Josephine anywhere. I should note that >Josephine would have been only 3-1/2 years old in 1910, so her later >memories of the trip were probably augmented by stories from her mother, >but I don't know of any alternative to her travelling with her mother to >the US in the right time period. > >And here's the question... Is is likely or even possible that a 3 year >old child could have travelled with her mother on the Lapland without >being listed on the manifest? > >Many thanks in advance. This has me really puzzled. > >Mark Klan >Knoxville, Tennessee

I searched the archives and didn't see anything similar to my question, so I thought I would post it here. If there is a better place for me to look, please let me know. My father heard stories from his mother Josephine regarding her trip (with her mother Katharina) from Eastern Europe to New York in the 1910-1913 timeframe. Katharina & Josephine Stumpholl travelled from the little town of Gura Humora (aka Gura Humorolui) in the Suceava, Bukovina region of greater Austria, in what is now northern Romania. Around 1880, Gura Humora had around 3,000 residents. There might have been twice that number living there in 1910. The family were native German speakers. Katharina and child were emigrating to join her husband, Hermann Stumpholl, in northern Illinois. By the way, there are many spellings of the surname, including Stumvoll, Stumfol, Stumpal, etc. I think I have found my Katharina Stumpholl on the SS Lapland, sailing from Antwerp 7 May 1910 and arriving at New York on 16 May 1910. Line 2 of the manifest has a Katerzina Stumphold, "race or people" German, last permanent residence "Gorahumora", travelling to Illinois to join her husband (name unreadable, unfortunately). The age of this passenger has been hand-corrected and is hard to read, but it could be 34 -- *my* Katharina would have been 37 when the ship sailed. This passenger's nearest relative in the country of origin appears to be given as "Anna Sibrolks". The mother of my Katharina is named in a Romanian probate document as Anna Szyprowski. This passenger on the Lapland certainly looks like a good match with my great-grandmother. Here's the problem... There is no child listed as traveling with her. I quickly read through each of the manifest images -- roughly 1,000 names -- in case her daughter Josephine/Josepha Stumpholl was not listed on the same page. I did not see Josephine anywhere. I should note that Josephine would have been only 3-1/2 years old in 1910, so her later memories of the trip were probably augmented by stories from her mother, but I don't know of any alternative to her travelling with her mother to the US in the right time period. And here's the question... Is is likely or even possible that a 3 year old child could have travelled with her mother on the Lapland without being listed on the manifest? Many thanks in advance. This has me really puzzled. Mark Klan Knoxville, Tennessee

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for March 2010 is . . . o Fleets: o Delmas-Vieljeux, subsidiary companies added. o Munson Steamship Line The Delmas-Vieljeux subsidiary companies' ships have now been added. Munson SS line sailed from New York to Cuba, Mexico and the Gulf ports, first just cargo, with passenger service to the east coast of South America added after WW I. o Passengers: o Quebec to Montreal o St. Lawrence - 16th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 10th July 1829 o St. Lawrence - 17th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 15th July 1829 o St. Lawrence - 18th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 22nd July 1829 o St. Lawrence - 19th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 28th July 1829 o St. Lawrence - 20th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 2nd August 1829 o Germany to South Australia o barque Caesar Goddefroy, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 2nd January 1854 o ship John R. Moller, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 7th February 1854 o brig Iserbrook, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 13th March 1854 Five more passenger lists for the steamboat SAINT LAWRENCE, for 1829. Still seeing a lot of new settlers as well as 'local' passenger traffic. The first three 1854 assisted Germans to South Australia. The Caesar Goddefroy had the most. That vessel also carried on to Sydney and it is most interesting to see how those Sydney destined passengers' names were spelled in 3 different records ... the SA newspaper, the Sydney newspaper and the "Mariners and ships in Australian Waters" original scan. No wonder it is so hard to find some of our ancestors. :-} If anyone is able to help fill in the missing information for some of the families, it will be most appreciated. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

I'm trying to find a passenger list for a trip by La Savoie from New York to Havre, arriving at Havre on or about August 14, 1908. Lists of arrivals in New York are easy to find, but I've been unable to find any passenger lists for ships that departed New York for Havre. My grandfather, a Swiss immigrant living in the U.S. at that time, may have made a trip back to Europe on La Savoie. I'm trying to verify whether he did so. We believe he left America with one wife and possibly an infant, then returned two years later with a different (and pregnant) wife; thus the mystery. Passengers of interest to me are: Adolph Schlatter, age about 44 Louise Kleiner(t) Schlatter, age about 31 They may have had an infant, also named Louise Their ultimate destination would have been Switzerland, probably St. Gallen Any suggestions on how to find this passenger list would be greatly appreciated.

In a message dated 3/8/2010 3:28:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Incoming U.K. Lists (Sue Swiggum) 2. Re: Crowley's arrival (Sue Swiggum) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:56:40 -0400 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Incoming U.K. Lists To: Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20100307114504.00c2bec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Bobbi, The 1810-1811 and 1826-1869 aren't actually passenger lists, just lists of aliens arriving and the dates are just start and end year with very big holes in between. The years of surviving records vary with each port of arrival. >> This data collection contains lists of aliens (non-British citizens) arriving in England between 1810 and 1869. Information listed on the records generally includes: name of alien, port and date of arrival, ship. country of origin, age, and profession. << The UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 are passenger lists and are far more comprehensive .... not just aliens. These records are consistant from 1890 ----->>> . To learn more about these records, read the article Debbie Beavis wrote for TheShipsList. http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/ukrecords.html As with most of us ... "Murphy" is always alive and well for at least one ancestor :-} Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 12:20 AM 2010-03-07 -0500, Bobbi wrote: >Hi, > >Could anyone tell me why there are breaks in the lists of incoming alien >passengers? > >I looked at Ancestry and they have the following: >1810-11 & 1826-69 >1878-1960 > >Of course, the time I would be looking for would be between 1870 & 1872. > >Bobbi ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:08:26 -0400 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Crowley's arrival To: eleanor crowley <eleanorc@eastlink.ca>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20100307183518.00c22570@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Eleanor, In Daniel F. Johnson's book "Irish Emigration to New England Through the Port of Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada," there are some Crowley mentions ... 2 for a Cornelius and 3 for a John. None of the dates match each other. One Cornelius was admitted to the Lunatic Asylum for one month in 1843, but although he was from Cork (Cobh), he was 31. The other was from Cork, age 20, and was admitted to the Alms House in 1847. The first John died in 1842, age 24 .. the 2nd age 28 also from Cork arrived on the PALLAS in 1845 and was admitted to the Alms House in 1846 ... the 3rd, also from Cork, age 70 died in 1847, aboard the WARD CHIPMAN. So, you see, something pretty drastic had to happen to you to rate a mention in the surviving records. Have you checked the New Brunswick Archives ? http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/default.aspx?culture=en-CA Your oral family history most likely has a lot of truth, they all do and although they are often embellished or misremembered, they may be the only 'record' we have which brings us closer to the truth. It is quite feasible that your Crowley's walked to Pugwash, NS from Saint John NB. There should be a record of the emigration in the newspapers on each end, naming ship and date(s), but there would be no surviving information about passenger emigration from 1841. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:33 AM 2010-03-03 -0400, eleanor crowley wrote: >Our family left Ireland 1841 from Cobh ( they were from Dunmanway). The >father John (age 52) and son Cornelius ( age 17) boarded ship on St. >Patrick's Day but didn't sail until April 1st due to unfavourable sailing >conditions. They arrived in St. John, N.B. on May 25th and from there >walked to Pugwash, N.S. and forward the story goes. I can't find any >records for this. I know St. John lost the records that include these >years but where would I look for Ships Boarding records? There should >be a record of the ship since we know the date of departure but I am >having no luck there either. Everything I know ( which could be like >other oral family histories) seems to be enclosed in a black hole >somewhere as I am having no luck. HELP Eleanor ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 53 *******************************************

Hi Eleanor, In Daniel F. Johnson's book "Irish Emigration to New England Through the Port of Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada," there are some Crowley mentions ... 2 for a Cornelius and 3 for a John. None of the dates match each other. One Cornelius was admitted to the Lunatic Asylum for one month in 1843, but although he was from Cork (Cobh), he was 31. The other was from Cork, age 20, and was admitted to the Alms House in 1847. The first John died in 1842, age 24 .. the 2nd age 28 also from Cork arrived on the PALLAS in 1845 and was admitted to the Alms House in 1846 ... the 3rd, also from Cork, age 70 died in 1847, aboard the WARD CHIPMAN. So, you see, something pretty drastic had to happen to you to rate a mention in the surviving records. Have you checked the New Brunswick Archives ? http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/default.aspx?culture=en-CA Your oral family history most likely has a lot of truth, they all do and although they are often embellished or misremembered, they may be the only 'record' we have which brings us closer to the truth. It is quite feasible that your Crowley's walked to Pugwash, NS from Saint John NB. There should be a record of the emigration in the newspapers on each end, naming ship and date(s), but there would be no surviving information about passenger emigration from 1841. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:33 AM 2010-03-03 -0400, eleanor crowley wrote: >Our family left Ireland 1841 from Cobh ( they were from Dunmanway). The >father John (age 52) and son Cornelius ( age 17) boarded ship on St. >Patrick's Day but didn't sail until April 1st due to unfavourable sailing >conditions. They arrived in St. John, N.B. on May 25th and from there >walked to Pugwash, N.S. and forward the story goes. I can't find any >records for this. I know St. John lost the records that include these >years but where would I look for Ships Boarding records? There should >be a record of the ship since we know the date of departure but I am >having no luck there either. Everything I know ( which could be like >other oral family histories) seems to be enclosed in a black hole >somewhere as I am having no luck. HELP Eleanor

Hi Bobbi, The 1810-1811 and 1826-1869 aren't actually passenger lists, just lists of aliens arriving and the dates are just start and end year with very big holes in between. The years of surviving records vary with each port of arrival. >> This data collection contains lists of aliens (non-British citizens) arriving in England between 1810 and 1869. Information listed on the records generally includes: name of alien, port and date of arrival, ship. country of origin, age, and profession. << The UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 are passenger lists and are far more comprehensive .... not just aliens. These records are consistant from 1890 ----->>> . To learn more about these records, read the article Debbie Beavis wrote for TheShipsList. http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/ukrecords.html As with most of us ... "Murphy" is always alive and well for at least one ancestor :-} Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 12:20 AM 2010-03-07 -0500, Bobbi wrote: >Hi, > >Could anyone tell me why there are breaks in the lists of incoming alien >passengers? > >I looked at Ancestry and they have the following: >1810-11 & 1826-69 >1878-1960 > >Of course, the time I would be looking for would be between 1870 & 1872. > >Bobbi

Could someone check the manifest of the SS Mauetania sailing from Cherbough to NYC arriving June 28, 1929? I am looking for a Solomon Aberbach.  What I want to find out is where he was from, where he was going, and if it might say he had been in the USA before. Thank you. Steve Pickholtz New Jersey

Hi Steve, Sending the information to your private e-mail. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: "TheShipsList" <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: [TSL] ship Mauetania > > > Could someone check the manifest of the SS Mauetania sailing from > Cherbough to NYC arriving June 28, 1929? > > > > I am looking for a Solomon Aberbach. What I want to find out is where he > was from, where he was going, and if it might say he had been in the USA > before. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Steve Pickholtz > > New Jersey >

Hi, Could anyone tell me why there are breaks in the lists of incoming alien passengers? I looked at Ancestry and they have the following: 1810-11 & 1826-69 1878-1960 Of course, the time I would be looking for would be between 1870 & 1872. Bobbi