Can anyone point me to somewhere I can get a crew list for the crew of the Pamelia when it left Calais in Maine USA in 1852. If I can establish my 2X Grandfather with a name with many various spellings of VALEEN, WHALENE, WHALEN etc was on that ship many pieces of my family history would fall into place. Information provided by one of the respondents to an earlier enquiry on TSL states the Pamelia was built in Calais in 1852 which suggests that the Pamelia commenced its maiden voyage from Calais in MAINE USA to NY in 1852 where it loaded cargo and left for South Australia in Jan 1853. I have the newspaper cuttings of its arrival in NY and subsequent journey to Adelaide in South Australia, but I have not been able to get a crew list so that I can finally establish the my 2X Grandfather was on that ship. Sincerely John Lange

Hi Allan, I can only offer an FYI. My educated-guess is that a James CLARK / CLARKE is an ancestor. Beyond that, he is one of my concrete-block walls. He "appears" in RI / US in ~1827 and marries in a nearby MA town in 1829. He fathers a daughter there in 1836, and then "disappears" during 1840's. A fellow researcher in CT for this same, extended family found out there were "ship records" at the New Bedford (MA) Library. She found out that a James CLARK got on a ship in New Bedford as a greenhand in 1844. The ship was heading out to the Indian Ocean for a 4-yr. voyage. James "deserted" in NSW, Australia, in 1845. Nothing is known about him after that. I found out about this 4-5 yrs. ago, and I think I tried to find the record again at the New Bedford Library last year and wasn't successful. I think they had changed their web site. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) FYI: Someone found a record of a James CLARK being on a small ship in the St. Lawrence River in Canada in ~1825. If that was my James, he was "a travelin' man." We have no idea where he was born or where he came from when he arrived in RI. But, I have a suspicion he was from a southern New England family. James' daughter, Mary, married a man from CT and they lived there for many years. They had 3 daughters but lost 2. ~1888 they moved to MA and in 1892 they adopted a little girl. That little girl grew up to become my grandmother. To make a long story short, my educated-guess is the married daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in 1888, so the DEXTER couple were my grandmother's grandparents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Bruse" <a.bruse@bigpond.com> To: <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:46 AM Subject: [TSL] Ship Deserter An ancestor (by marriage) of mine was said to have deserted his ship in South Australia. He was a Danish seaman (I assume merchant seaman) named Jacob Maag. I'm only estimating the time of the incident to be the late 19th century. Can anyone suggest how I might obtain information about the man or his ship, please? Regards, Allan Bruse

----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Bruse" <a.bruse@bigpond.com> To: <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: [TSL] Ship Deserter > An ancestor (by marriage) of mine was said to have deserted his ship in > South Australia. He was a Danish seaman (I assume merchant seaman) named > Jacob Maag. I'm only estimating the time of the incident to be the late > 19th century. Can anyone suggest how I might obtain information about the > man or his ship, please? Hi Allan The National Archives have a naturalisation file for a Jacob MAAG . No idea if he is the same person , but shouldn't think there were that many Jacob MAAGs about in South Australia http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx There is also a brief newspaper ref to this same Jacob MAAGs in the Adelaide Advertiser Mar 1912 http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Hello Allan, It is helpful to have such a name spelling with a known location, South Australia. As Marg mentions, the newspapers are great and I learned a bit about this fellow, such as his name was Jacob Nissen Maag ... he settled in the Coromandel Valley and he died at the age of 63, on 25th April 1918 .. his wife was Sarah and he had six daughters and three sons .. they had lost their 9 year old (elder) son, Victor Jacob on 15 May 1902 .. their eldest daugher Carolina married on 6th May 1908 ... their fifth daughter Adelaide S. married on 31st August 1915 All that good stuff, but not covering the later 19th century ... yet. They will be adding more years in future. The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1858-1889) http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/7 [only 1850s and 1860s scanned so far] The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889-1931) http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/34 [only 1900s and 1910s scanned so far] The Naturalization looks like the same fellow ... in was 18th April 1890 at age 34 ... 14 years in South Australia which would make his arrival roughly 1876 .. it says he was a Market Gardener. It does says he was a native of A____ade, Germany though. If this is your chap at least you have him surrounded. I also noticed this file at the National Archives site [I searched simply Ship Deserters ] Series number D11 Title Rough register of ships crew reported as deserters at Port Adelaide Accumulation date range 1 Jan 1873 - 25 Aug 1975 Contents date range 18 Mar 1873 - 25 Aug 1975 I also checked the Danish emigration archives for the name MAAG and it didn't return a one, just Maagensen or Maagaard for example. Good luck! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 04:46 PM 2010-05-04 +0800, Allan Bruse wrote: >An ancestor (by marriage) of mine was said to have deserted his ship in >South Australia. He was a Danish seaman (I assume merchant seaman) named >Jacob Maag. I'm only estimating the time of the incident to be the late >19th century. Can anyone suggest how I might obtain information about the >man or his ship, please? >Regards, >Allan Bruse

An ancestor (by marriage) of mine was said to have deserted his ship in South Australia. He was a Danish seaman (I assume merchant seaman) named Jacob Maag. I'm only estimating the time of the incident to be the late 19th century. Can anyone suggest how I might obtain information about the man or his ship, please? Regards, Allan Bruse

Any idea how to find the name of the ship that fits the information above? Thanks, Tom Dempsey _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Congratulations on your successes. I am tracking 2 captains, one English and one Norwegian, both of whom wound up in Galveston, Texas, and so far it seems that hurricanes and the stresses of a developing region have left us with very little record. I'm not giving up.

Hello Everyone I have been very successful in tracing The Ships & Voyages of my GG-Grandfather, CAPTAIN JAMES NEISH , who was a Free Mariner. Licensed by EIC (not actually an employee of the East India Company but would work as an officer on privately owned ships) active in the so-called "country trade" - i.e. trade in waters east of the Cape of Good Hope. He first went out in 1807 and Captained various Ships until about 1826 when he took Command of the SHIP FORT WILLIAM and remained with her until he retired from the sea about 1838 or 1839. The Fort William was, perhaps, the largest of the Country Traders and was (at least initially) owned by, or in part, by the celebrated Parsee businessman and philanthropist Jamsetjee Jeejeebhoy. My old Grandfather's connection with The Fort William was a close one as when he retired ashore and built his home in Broughty Ferry (Dundee), Scotland, he named it 'Fort William House' (now The Royal Tay Yacht Club). My quest is to find out what interest or shares in The Fort William James owned. I know the family had an interest as I found mention of his brother Thomas Neish selling his shares in 1840. I also find my James Neish having financial business dealings (of some sort) with Jamsetjee Jeejeebhoy as late as 1842. My questions is - Is there ever a record kept of the division of shares and/or the dates when these shares are sold ? Much obliged Barbara Neish Bermuda

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for April 2010 is . . . o Passengers: o John Molson - Crew List - 1831 o John Bull - 1st trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 13th September 1831 o John Bull - 2nd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 26th September 1831 o John Bull - 3rd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 2nd October 1831 o John Bull - 4th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 9th October 1831 o John Bull - 5th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 14th October 1831 o John Bull - 6th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 20th October 1831 o ... o barque Helene, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 27th June 1854 o ship Wandrahm, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 8th August 1854 o brig Reiherstieg, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 26th October 1854 o ship J.W.A. Lorentzen, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 4th November 1854 o ship Steinwaerder, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 5th November 1854 We are lucky to have a crew list for the steamboat JOHN MOLSON 1831 ... interesting comments. We only have the month of April for the 1831 newspapers, so they won't help with the steamboat JOHN BULL passengers, but the rest of the 1831 papers will be coming later in the year ... I can't wait. I want to learn about the "White Party" and why Mr. Douglass paid the fare for a bunch of "cabin" passengers. Although many of the JOHN BULL cabin passenger names are illegible (or nearly), the steerage names aren't too bad. .... The last five passenger lists for 1854 assisted Germans to South Australia. Many sources have been checked to try and get these passengers as correct as possible, but if anyone can add to what Robert and I have put online, or offer corrections or omissions, please contact Robert or myself. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Listers, Many late 19th century and early 20th century settlers to the western United States and Canadian prairies first built sod-houses (affectionally called "soddies") on their "quarter sections." Quite by accident, I found this fascinating article about a famous soddy called "The Addison House," which still stands and has been designated as a Canadian national historic site. I decided to post the link here for anyone who might be interested regardless of whether their ancestors settled on the prairies or not. LAST OF THE SODDIES http://www.legionmagazine.com/en/index.php/2010/04/the-last-of-the-soddies/ Enjoy Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Dear List, Seeking info about this shipwreck. Families aboard were John LAWSON & wife Janet (YOUNG ) LAWSON & James MCNALL. These folks intended to settle in Pennsylvania, USA but were shipwrecked off the coast of Nova Scotia. They found their way to Worcester, Mass., where they lived a short time before moving to Union, CT. Would love to find out about this ship. The name, where it sailed from, why it was wrecked. Or any other information about the ship & those who were aboard. The LAWSONS were from Linlithgow, Scotland & are my ancestors. Thanks in advance for any information. Sincerely, Emily Young Lancaster, Ohio USA ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bd636155667e59deam01vuc

My grandfather Samual Chajt and his 2 sister's (Itte, Liea), brother (Nachem) and mother arrived at Ellis Island on the Westernland. They departed Antwerp and arrived in NY 15 Sep 1897. Originally from Bila Tserkov Ukraine (the Russian Empire at that time). Any information about this family, please reply. Thanks in advance, Allison

Hello, I want to ask you if someone heve already transcribed the passenger list of the Pennland who arrived on March 14, 1889 in New York. He came from Antwerp. Who knows the departing date? I'm very interested because I found nothing on the Internet. Hans Faber The Netherlands

In March I posted a message regarding the Brig Neptun(e) which arrived Baltimore 14 Jul 1840 from Bremen. H. Hilken, Jr., Master. I want to thank those that responded but am still curious to know if anyone knows the history of this ship or of it's master H. Hilken? Any guesses as to when this ship left Bremen? I appreciate any help. Sharon

Hello Mary, I can't find a HARMONIA in 1882 - could this be the HAMMONIA? Did she sail from Germany? regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Dess" <kendess@comcast.net> To: <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [TSL] Harmonia > > My g grandmother arrived in NY 1 Nov 1884 on the ship HARMONIA. Does > anyone have any information on this ship or perhaps a picture? Thanks. > Mary > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2832 - Release Date: 04/24/10 06:31:00

Mary As Sue and Ted have noted the ship was Harmmonia. From the NY Times of Oct 22, 1884 is this: LATEST FOREIGN SHIPPING NEWS. HAVRE, Oct. 21.--The Hamburg-American Line steamship Hammonia, Capt. Schwenzen, from Ham- burg, sld. [sailed] hence to-day for New-York. Next she appears Oct 29: INCOMING STEAMSHIPS. ... DUE SATURDAY, NOV. 1. City of Berlin, Land, Liverpool, Oct. 23. Hammonia, Schwensen, Hamburg, Oct. 19. Holland, Milligan, London, Oct. 16. Katie, Petrowsky, Gothenburg, Oct. 18. Next mention of her was that she was due to sail back to Europe on Nov. 6. I also checked the London Times and got this in the shipping news of Oct 21, 1884: DOVER, Oct. 20.--The North German Lloyd steamer Rhein, from Bremen for New York; the Hamburg- American steamer Gellert, from New York for Hamburg; the Hamburg-American steamer Hammonia, from Ham- burg for New York; the Nederland-American steamer Maasdam, from Rotterdam for New York; and the Belgian Red Star Line steamer Do Ruyter, from New York for Antwerp, passed here to-day. Regards.. Marj At 11:56 AM 4/24/2010, Ken Dess wrote: >My g grandmother arrived in NY 1 Nov 1884 on the ship HARMONIA. Does >anyone have any information on this ship or perhaps a picture? Thanks. >Mary >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, I think you'll find that this was the HAMMONIA (note spelling) ... the third vessel of that name for the Hamburg-American Line http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/hamburg.html On TheShipsList website, we don't have her description or a picture yet. [that is your cue Ted] Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:56 AM 2010-04-24 -0400, Ken Dess wrote: >My g grandmother arrived in NY 1 Nov 1884 on the ship HARMONIA. Does >anyone have any information on this ship or perhaps a picture? Thanks. >Mary

My g grandmother arrived in NY 1 Nov 1884 on the ship HARMONIA. Does anyone have any information on this ship or perhaps a picture? Thanks. Mary

Hello List, I am researching a William GRIFFIN, born 1 April 1832 in Ireland (location unknown) to a William and Ann (maiden name unknown) GRIFFIN. The family (father, mother and five children) emigrated from Ireland via Liverpool to NYC aboard the ship St. George, arriving on 1 June 1844. William married (time and place in USA unknown) a Honora GARVEY (also born in Ireland in 1832), and had six children: John, Michael, James, Maurice, Edward and Margaret). The family was known to live in or near Memphis, TN from about 1860 to 1874, San Francisco, CA from about 1875 to 1884 where William Griffin was enumerated erroneously as John Griffin in the 1880 US Census, and he sailed trading vessels between San Francisco and the Sandwich Islands in addition to working as a stone mason. Honora GRIFFIN died about 1885 (time and place unknown). Then William GRIFFIN lived as a rancher in Ponil Park, Colfax County, NM with his eldest son, John, and his daughter, Margaret from about 1885 to his death in 1902 in Raton, Colfax County, NM (he was enumerated correctly as W.R. GRIFFIN in the 1900 US Census). William GRIFFIN was survived by his sons, John J. GRIFFIN, Maurice S. GRIFFIN, Edward E. GRIFFIN and his daughter, Margaret H. Ashbaugh. Any information regarding William GRIFFIN in Ireland and/or the USA would be most welcome. Thank you all for your time, interest and help. John Griffin _GriffInn1@aol.com_ (mailto:GriffInn1@aol.com)

Thanks both to Les Fin and Martyn Smith who have both replied with very helpful information :-) I am very grateful :-) Best wishes, June :-) ________________________________ From: "theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com" <theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com> To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 21 April, 2010 9:01:24 Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 79 Today's Topics: 1. Loomer / Lomer (june wayland) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:03:40 +0000 (GMT) From: june wayland <lanc5696_42@yahoo.com> Subject: [TSL] Loomer / Lomer To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <77378.23355.qm@web27207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi I am researching the LOOMER / LOMER names. They spread far and wide, including Canada and USA. In 1820, a John Loomer was convicted of theft and sentenced to death, which was changed to transportation to Australia. He arrived in Sydney in 1822. I note the LOOMER family (himself with wife and children), were living in Sydney in 1828 and he was a servant to a Captain, location, Darling Harbour. His life would have been considerably better I think than what he had in the East End of London at that time. I'm interested if there are any LOOMER / LOMER descendents in Sydney and area, who would like to enlarge on the family history. John left England as John LOOMER but was recorded in Sydney as John LOMER. So I guess all the descendents will bear the name LOMER. My ancestors in East London bore the LOOMER name. As yet, I cannot find a positive link for John with my family in the same district of the East End. John Lomer / Loomer was born c.1799, so records are not always available on the internet. I presume he was single when convicted and met and married in Australia. I have to seek out what I found for the Australian record, as it was some years ago that I found it in the Family Records Centre in Kensington, London. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Because I am too far from the British or Australian archives, I have to use the internet. Many thanks, June :-) ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 79 *******************************************