*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for July 2010 is . . . o Passengers: o John Molson - 13th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 26th July 1832 o John Molson - 14th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 1st August 1832 o John Molson - 15th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 7th August 1832 o ... o barque Helene, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 23rd January 1856 o ship Europa, from Hamburg, to Port Adelaide 25th June 1856 Three more JOHN MOLSON steamboat passenger lists for 1832. We again see Emigration Society tickets for some of the settlers on these three trips, plus the notation "Captain of the Othello to pay" for some families on the 15th trip up. I'm anxious to get the 1832 newspapers to learn where they were from. I'll then go back over these lists and add the information and newspaper links. The first two German passenger lists to South Australia for 1856. It is really interesting to find that so many of these Hamburg departures were destined to both Adelaide and Melbourne. The HELENE is a great list with good arrival information from both ports, the EUROPA was a little more of a task because the numbers disembarking at Adelaide and Melbourne were skewed by the fact that two familes, (Wood and Kennedy) embarked at Adelaide, for Melbourne, but we got them sorted out. :-} Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Sue, How wonderful to have such a Diary ... I checked the Baltimore arrivals and on Steve Morse's site I saw this ... Series | Roll | Year | Month | Frame | Ship M255 | 5 | 1847 | June | 687 | Pieter Floris I looked at the manifest on Ancestry.com and it actually looks to be spelled PIETER FLORISZ ... T.A. Begeman Sielzes was the Master. They filed the manifest on June 12th 1847. I think that are on the last page (of eight) with husband / father listed simply as L. Michael and mother and children as Verbeek / Verbeck I was looking for confirmation of when they sailed from Amsterdam ... I'm sure your Diary is the best source for that. In places the list is lovely, other places very damaged ... on the summary (of a sort) they refer to the vessel as the Ship Florisz in the front page they refer to "Ship Pieter Florisz," but they neglected to include "burthen ____" (tonnage) ... it carried 280 passengers. it only appeared to have made that one Baltimore arrival so I can't check other manifests for additional details. There does appear to be an additional voyage to New York in July 1849 "Ship Pieter Floris" (no z) but is had almost no information Ship-rigged http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/shipsrigging.htm http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ship.htm This is the best I can do about the vessel, that it seems that it was ship-rigged, so looks like the diagram at the above link. I googled and learned that Pieter Florisz was a Dutch Admiral who died in battle 1658 ...and found this from Iowa history http://iagenweb.org/marion/PieterFloris.htm ...and this http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=29 You shold try googling with quotes with various spellings ... I think there is more out there to learn about the voyage. Sue -- -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 05:23 PM 2010-07-23 -0500, Robert McCormick wrote: >I have a translation of a "diary entry" about the 1847 journey of my gg >Grandparents, with children, from Aalburg, Netherlands to St. Louis. The >ocean part of this voyage would start from Amsterdam or Belvoot, >Netherlands. From the diary, the family arrived in Amsterdam April 8 "and >the 11th of the same departed and the 13th of the same arrived in Belvoot >and Monday 20 same went to sea." They had a choppy voyage through the >Channel which they "came out of" on May 1. … "The 11th [of June] we came >to the city of Baltimore. The 14th we left the ship." > >The family consists of Lambert Michael, his wife Johanna Verbeek, with >Petronella (b, 1835), Gijsbertha (b. 1837), Anna (b. 1839), Bartha >[Barta] (b. 1841), and Yenneke Maria (b. 1844). Petronella was my great >Grandmother. A distant relative in the Netherlands said the ship was the >"Peitre Flores." (I've requested information on that ship at earlier >times, but I had no information to accompany the request.) > >I would appreciate any help with finding information on this voyage. I'm >VERY new at following the emigration/immigration routes, and really don't >have the faintest ideas where to start. > >Sue McCormick.

I have a translation of a "diary entry" about the 1847 journey of my gg Grandparents, with children, from Aalburg, Netherlands to St. Louis. The ocean part of this voyage would start from Amsterdam or Belvoot, Netherlands. From the diary, the family arrived in Amsterdam April 8 "and the 11th of the same departed and the 13th of the same arrived in Belvoot and Monday 20 same went to sea." They had a choppy voyage through the Channel which they "came out of" on May 1. … "The 11th [of June] we came to the city of Baltimore. The 14th we left the ship." The family consists of Lambert Michael, his wife Johanna Verbeek, with Petronella (b, 1835), Gijsbertha (b. 1837), Anna (b. 1839), Bartha [Barta] (b. 1841), and Yenneke Maria (b. 1844). Petronella was my great Grandmother. A distant relative in the Netherlands said the ship was the "Peitre Flores." (I've requested information on that ship at earlier times, but I had no information to accompany the request.) I would appreciate any help with finding information on this voyage. I'm VERY new at following the emigration/immigration routes, and really don't have the faintest ideas where to start. Sue McCormick.

I have not received any emails from your site for about a week. Am I doing something wrong please or are you on holidays? Barbara in sunny Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com> To: <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 135 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. WARSAW/1844/UK>NYC (Barbara) > 2. SS Pisa (Natalie McGowan) > 3. Re: WARSAW/1844/UK>NYC (Marj Kohli) > 4. Ship Warsaw (Barbara) > 5. Re: SS Pisa (Sue Swiggum) > 6. Re: "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? (Janice Doughty) > 7. Re: "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? (vicki evans) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:26:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Barbara <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com> > Subject: [TSL] WARSAW/1844/UK>NYC > To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <747281.17933.qm@web57208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi everyone, > > I need help in finding out information about the Ship Warsaw which saw > service in 1844 from Liverpool to NYC. I have the manifest and immigrants > but would like to know more about the ship's history. Would anyone on > this list know or is there another list that would be more likely to be of > help? I have tried various lists of ships and fleets to no avail. > > Many thanks! > Barbara Braswell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:06:14 -0700 > From: Natalie McGowan <nj_mcgowan@hotmail.com> > Subject: [TSL] SS Pisa > To: <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY150-w53022044B9FBE5B421492EABE0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Wondering where I can find the passenger list for this ship that left > Hamburg, Germany April 1/1912 sailing to Saint John, NB . My grandfather > and his parents were on this ship. Ivan and Euphemia Soroka, son Walter > from Sokal, Ukraine. Arrived Canada April 17, 1912. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734385 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:36:43 -0400 > From: Marj Kohli <marj@uwaterloo.ca> > Subject: Re: [TSL] WARSAW/1844/UK>NYC > To: Barbara <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201007181836.o6IIaoMH020714@jubilation.uwaterloo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Barbara she a ship by this name is sailing in Aug 22, 1840 Times > shipping news has her going from Mobile to Liverpool. Oct 16, 1840 > > A ship by this name is reported: > > Londonderry, Oct 13.--The Warsaw, from Sweden to New York, put into > this river on the 11th inst., having sprung a leak. > > Mar 6, 1843 a ship by this name is reported sailing from Charleston for > Havre. > > Sept 1, 1843 sailing from the Clyde on Aug 28 to Boston. > > April 1, 1844 she was spoken to by another ship on her way to Havre. > > I cannot seem to find an ad for her. > > Regards.. > > Marj > > At 10:26 AM 7/18/2010, Barbara wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> >>I need help in finding out information about the Ship Warsaw which >>saw service in 1844 from Liverpool to NYC. I have the manifest and >>immigrants but would like to know more about the ship's >>history. Would anyone on this list know or is there another list >>that would be more likely to be of help? I have tried various lists >>of ships and fleets to no avail. >> >>Many thanks! >>Barbara Braswell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>visit TheShipsList Website >>http://www.theshipslist.com/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Barbara <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com> > Subject: [TSL] Ship Warsaw > To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <485759.85616.qm@web57201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Many thanks for everyone's kind help. > > Barbara > > http://westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/BarbBraswell/Stewart/default.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:46:30 -0300 > From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [TSL] SS Pisa > To: Natalie McGowan <nj_mcgowan@hotmail.com>, > theshipslist@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20100718164015.03733790@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Natalie, > > Just go to Library and Archives Canada (LAC) > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html > > Go to search and type in PISA and 1912 and click on the ship name for the > April arrival > > Next page just click "View Image" there are 40 pages. A hint is to > click > on the image to make it larger, however, you'll have to hit the back > button > on your browser to be able to move to another image. > > They aren't searchable at the LAC, but they are at Ancestry.com if you > have > a subscription. > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > At 09:06 AM 2010-07-18 -0700, Natalie McGowan wrote: >>Wondering where I can find the passenger list for this ship that left >>Hamburg, Germany April 1/1912 sailing to Saint John, NB . My grandfather >>and his parents were on this ship. Ivan and Euphemia Soroka, son >>Walter from Sokal, Ukraine. Arrived Canada April 17, 1912. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:52:50 +1000 > From: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>, <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com>, > "Marj Kohli" <marj@uwaterloo.ca> > Message-ID: <268AE524710048E1AA079F95788F8A86@ADOUGHTY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Good morning Marj and Listers, > > I would love a copy of the write up Marj, that would be great. > > I with to thank Marj and everyone else on the List who have so kindly > responded to my enquiry regarding the "Demosthenes" with great information > about the ship, the Captain, the crew she carried and also about the > Hudson > family. > > I suppose we will never discover why Barbara Irene Hudson's age was give > as > 9 months, when in fact she was 15 months old when the ship sailed from > England on 1st Sept 1911 and 17 months old when the family disembarked in > Brisbane on 23rd October 1911, once on board no one would check out a > child's age, with the ship carrying so many passengers. > > One suggestion was that a child under one would have travelled free and > maybe the family was short of funds at the time. Another was that the > Barbara born in 1910 may have died and a second daughter was born and > given > the same name. However, there was not enough time for Jessie to have > another child and also my friend Pat, who I am helping to research her > family, has her mother's birth certificate and she was definitely born on > 15th May 1910. > > Once again thank you for such great information, this is a very helpful > List > and some Listers went to a great deal of time and trouble, especially Sue. > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marj Kohli" <marj@uwaterloo.ca> > To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>; "Janice Doughty" > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > > >> Hi Janice, >> >> London Times has an item March 8, 1911 about the launches and trial trips >> of the Demosthenes. Her first sailing was in an ad of June 9, and she was >> due to sail Aug 31. On Aug 18, the Times reported she was "lying in the >> royal Albert Docks preparatory to her departure for South Africa and >> Australia on the 31st of this month." She was 11,300 tons with a >> displacement of 20,000 tons. It says she would make the trip to Australia >> in 40 days and carry 100 first, 1,200 third-class passengers. This was >> some fancy ship. If you would like the write up let me know. >> >> Regards.. >> >> Marj >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:26:23 +0000 > From: vicki evans <vickievans909@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > To: <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>, <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>, > <theshipslist@rootsweb.com>, <marj@uwaterloo.ca> > Message-ID: <BAY128-W1814A2D78189512FD158E7EEBE0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi > > > > Just one thought on the date of birth, I found someone else with my > grandmother in their tree and the date of birth they had was about 5 > months out and had her born in 1911 and not December 13th 1910 which I > knew to be true. Turns out her birth was not registered until May 1911, > so the person researching my Grandmother had taken this as her date of > birth. Maybe its a similar thing and the 9 months on the ships manifest > is based on when her birth was registered rather than her actual birth. > > > > Vicki > >> From: adoughty01@optusnet.com.au >> To: swig@ns.sympatico.ca; THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com; marj@uwaterloo.ca >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:52:50 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? >> >> Good morning Marj and Listers, >> >> I would love a copy of the write up Marj, that would be great. >> >> I with to thank Marj and everyone else on the List who have so kindly >> responded to my enquiry regarding the "Demosthenes" with great >> information >> about the ship, the Captain, the crew she carried and also about the >> Hudson >> family. >> >> I suppose we will never discover why Barbara Irene Hudson's age was give >> as >> 9 months, when in fact she was 15 months old when the ship sailed from >> England on 1st Sept 1911 and 17 months old when the family disembarked in >> Brisbane on 23rd October 1911, once on board no one would check out a >> child's age, with the ship carrying so many passengers. >> >> One suggestion was that a child under one would have travelled free and >> maybe the family was short of funds at the time. Another was that the >> Barbara born in 1910 may have died and a second daughter was born and >> given >> the same name. However, there was not enough time for Jessie to have >> another child and also my friend Pat, who I am helping to research her >> family, has her mother's birth certificate and she was definitely born on >> 15th May 1910. >> >> Once again thank you for such great information, this is a very helpful >> List >> and some Listers went to a great deal of time and trouble, especially >> Sue. >> >> Regards, >> Janice >> Belrose - Sydney >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marj Kohli" <marj@uwaterloo.ca> >> To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>; "Janice Doughty" >> <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? >> >> >> > Hi Janice, >> > >> > London Times has an item March 8, 1911 about the launches and trial >> > trips >> > of the Demosthenes. Her first sailing was in an ad of June 9, and she >> > was >> > due to sail Aug 31. On Aug 18, the Times reported she was "lying in the >> > royal Albert Docks preparatory to her departure for South Africa and >> > Australia on the 31st of this month." She was 11,300 tons with a >> > displacement of 20,000 tons. It says she would make the trip to >> > Australia >> > in 40 days and carry 100 first, 1,200 third-class passengers. This was >> > some fancy ship. If you would like the write up let me know. >> > >> > Regards.. >> > >> > Marj >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> visit TheShipsList Website >> http://www.theshipslist.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to > THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 135 > ********************************************

Hi Barb, You can see by the archives .... http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/by+date ... that we usually go in "fits and starts" at different times of year. It is summertime in the Northern hemisphere, which might account for no messages ... but the opposite often happens when it is too hot 'somewhere in the world' or too cold 'somewhere in the world' So, no, you are doing anything wrong and, the list doesn't go on holidays ...... just the list members :-} Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 06:19 PM 2010-07-22 +1000, Barb Baker wrote: >I have not received any emails from your site for about a week. Am I doing >something wrong please or are you on holidays? > >Barbara in sunny Oz

I was going some notes made about 30 years ago recently about the travels of my great grandfather and his family from Galicia. They travelled by train from SE of Lvov to Hamburg and then by boat to Quebec City. The Oldest Uncle I was talking to said that there were a lot of animals on the ship as well and that the smell was terrible. Two questions: 1. Is there a source of information on the rail systems in Galicia / Austria and Germany about 1890-1900? 2. Is there a source of information on the cargo carried by vessels such as the Hamburg America Line SS Arabia on its May 1897 trip to Quebec City? Thanks Arvid Edmonton, AB T6R 3L6 Canada

Good morning Marj and Listers, I would love a copy of the write up Marj, that would be great. I with to thank Marj and everyone else on the List who have so kindly responded to my enquiry regarding the "Demosthenes" with great information about the ship, the Captain, the crew she carried and also about the Hudson family. I suppose we will never discover why Barbara Irene Hudson's age was give as 9 months, when in fact she was 15 months old when the ship sailed from England on 1st Sept 1911 and 17 months old when the family disembarked in Brisbane on 23rd October 1911, once on board no one would check out a child's age, with the ship carrying so many passengers. One suggestion was that a child under one would have travelled free and maybe the family was short of funds at the time. Another was that the Barbara born in 1910 may have died and a second daughter was born and given the same name. However, there was not enough time for Jessie to have another child and also my friend Pat, who I am helping to research her family, has her mother's birth certificate and she was definitely born on 15th May 1910. Once again thank you for such great information, this is a very helpful List and some Listers went to a great deal of time and trouble, especially Sue. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marj Kohli" <marj@uwaterloo.ca> To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>; "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > Hi Janice, > > London Times has an item March 8, 1911 about the launches and trial trips > of the Demosthenes. Her first sailing was in an ad of June 9, and she was > due to sail Aug 31. On Aug 18, the Times reported she was "lying in the > royal Albert Docks preparatory to her departure for South Africa and > Australia on the 31st of this month." She was 11,300 tons with a > displacement of 20,000 tons. It says she would make the trip to Australia > in 40 days and carry 100 first, 1,200 third-class passengers. This was > some fancy ship. If you would like the write up let me know. > > Regards.. > > Marj >

Hi Just one thought on the date of birth, I found someone else with my grandmother in their tree and the date of birth they had was about 5 months out and had her born in 1911 and not December 13th 1910 which I knew to be true. Turns out her birth was not registered until May 1911, so the person researching my Grandmother had taken this as her date of birth. Maybe its a similar thing and the 9 months on the ships manifest is based on when her birth was registered rather than her actual birth. Vicki > From: adoughty01@optusnet.com.au > To: swig@ns.sympatico.ca; THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com; marj@uwaterloo.ca > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:52:50 +1000 > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > > Good morning Marj and Listers, > > I would love a copy of the write up Marj, that would be great. > > I with to thank Marj and everyone else on the List who have so kindly > responded to my enquiry regarding the "Demosthenes" with great information > about the ship, the Captain, the crew she carried and also about the Hudson > family. > > I suppose we will never discover why Barbara Irene Hudson's age was give as > 9 months, when in fact she was 15 months old when the ship sailed from > England on 1st Sept 1911 and 17 months old when the family disembarked in > Brisbane on 23rd October 1911, once on board no one would check out a > child's age, with the ship carrying so many passengers. > > One suggestion was that a child under one would have travelled free and > maybe the family was short of funds at the time. Another was that the > Barbara born in 1910 may have died and a second daughter was born and given > the same name. However, there was not enough time for Jessie to have > another child and also my friend Pat, who I am helping to research her > family, has her mother's birth certificate and she was definitely born on > 15th May 1910. > > Once again thank you for such great information, this is a very helpful List > and some Listers went to a great deal of time and trouble, especially Sue. > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marj Kohli" <marj@uwaterloo.ca> > To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>; "Janice Doughty" > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > > > > Hi Janice, > > > > London Times has an item March 8, 1911 about the launches and trial trips > > of the Demosthenes. Her first sailing was in an ad of June 9, and she was > > due to sail Aug 31. On Aug 18, the Times reported she was "lying in the > > royal Albert Docks preparatory to her departure for South Africa and > > Australia on the 31st of this month." She was 11,300 tons with a > > displacement of 20,000 tons. It says she would make the trip to Australia > > in 40 days and carry 100 first, 1,200 third-class passengers. This was > > some fancy ship. If you would like the write up let me know. > > > > Regards.. > > > > Marj > > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

Hi Natalie, Just go to Library and Archives Canada (LAC) http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html Go to search and type in PISA and 1912 and click on the ship name for the April arrival Next page just click "View Image" there are 40 pages. A hint is to click on the image to make it larger, however, you'll have to hit the back button on your browser to be able to move to another image. They aren't searchable at the LAC, but they are at Ancestry.com if you have a subscription. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:06 AM 2010-07-18 -0700, Natalie McGowan wrote: >Wondering where I can find the passenger list for this ship that left >Hamburg, Germany April 1/1912 sailing to Saint John, NB . My grandfather >and his parents were on this ship. Ivan and Euphemia Soroka, son >Walter from Sokal, Ukraine. Arrived Canada April 17, 1912.

Barbara she a ship by this name is sailing in Aug 22, 1840 Times shipping news has her going from Mobile to Liverpool. Oct 16, 1840 A ship by this name is reported: Londonderry, Oct 13.--The Warsaw, from Sweden to New York, put into this river on the 11th inst., having sprung a leak. Mar 6, 1843 a ship by this name is reported sailing from Charleston for Havre. Sept 1, 1843 sailing from the Clyde on Aug 28 to Boston. April 1, 1844 she was spoken to by another ship on her way to Havre. I cannot seem to find an ad for her. Regards.. Marj At 10:26 AM 7/18/2010, Barbara wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I need help in finding out information about the Ship Warsaw which >saw service in 1844 from Liverpool to NYC. I have the manifest and >immigrants but would like to know more about the ship's >history. Would anyone on this list know or is there another list >that would be more likely to be of help? I have tried various lists >of ships and fleets to no avail. > >Many thanks! >Barbara Braswell > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for everyone's kind help. Barbara http://westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr http://familytrees.genopro.com/BarbBraswell/Stewart/default.htm

Good morning Dennis, Thank you so much for the information below, I will copy and paste it into the FTM for Pat. Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: "Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild" <Ships07@aol.com> Cc: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Marpesia, 1879 Liverpool>Melbourne > >>From The Argus (Melbourne), 23 February 1880 - > > FOR LONDON DIRECT-The well-known and > favourite iron clipper ship > MARPESIA, > 1443 tons, AA1 at Lloyd's, > T. STOREY, Commander, > Now lying at the Sandridge Railway Pier. > As large engagements of cargo have been made for this fine ship, > shippers are requested to make early applications for disengaged space. > J. H. WHITE and Co., 49 William-street. > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers A rellie of mine, John McCALL, arrived in Victoria, Australia on the "Empire of Peace" in May 1860. As the arrival was listed in the Shipping Intelligence of the "Argus" on 2nd May, it must have arrived on 1st May. I have this info from the "Argus": Empire of Peace, ship, 1,540 tons,T. Calvert, from Liverpool 28th December. Passengers-cabin : Rev. James Reid, Rev. J. Henderson, Mr. F. Hankey ; and 108 in the intermediate and steerage. Swire Brothers, agents.". The abovenamed John McCALL was most likely steeerage even though he was an unassisted immigrant. His wife and family followed the following year. My questions - 1) Is the above info from the "Argus" correct? 2) As John McCALL was Scottish, could the "Empire of Peace' have started in, say, Glasgow, calling in later at Liverpool? Or would JMc have had to travel south to Liverpool to board? Any info about this voyage gratefully received. Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Wondering where I can find the passenger list for this ship that left Hamburg, Germany April 1/1912 sailing to Saint John, NB . My grandfather and his parents were on this ship. Ivan and Euphemia Soroka, son Walter from Sokal, Ukraine. Arrived Canada April 17, 1912. _________________________________________________________________ Turn down-time into play-time with Messenger games http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734385

Hi everyone, I need help in finding out information about the Ship Warsaw which saw service in 1844 from Liverpool to NYC. I have the manifest and immigrants but would like to know more about the ship's history. Would anyone on this list know or is there another list that would be more likely to be of help? I have tried various lists of ships and fleets to no avail. Many thanks! Barbara Braswell

Pam There is an ad for her in the London Times of Dec 5, 1859 and she was a White Star Clipper ship. She was to sail on Dec 20 from Liverpool to Melbourne so I would suggest your relative took the train south as many emigrants did. Regards.. Marj At 08:37 PM 7/17/2010, PMR wrote: >Hello Listers > > A rellie of mine, John McCALL, arrived in Victoria, Australia on >the "Empire of Peace" in May 1860. As the arrival was listed in the Shipping >Intelligence of the "Argus" on 2nd May, it must have arrived on 1st May. > > I have this info from the "Argus": Empire of Peace, ship, 1,540 >tons,T. Calvert, from Liverpool 28th December. Passengers-cabin : Rev. James >Reid, Rev. J. Henderson, Mr. F. Hankey ; and 108 in the intermediate and >steerage. Swire Brothers, agents.". The abovenamed John McCALL was most >likely steeerage even though he was an unassisted immigrant. His wife and >family followed the following year. > > My questions - > 1) Is the above info from the "Argus" correct? > 2) As John McCALL was Scottish, could the "Empire of Peace' have >started in, say, Glasgow, calling in later at Liverpool? > Or would JMc have had to travel south to Liverpool to board? > > Any info about this voyage gratefully received. > > Many thanks. > > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janice, London Times has an item March 8, 1911 about the launches and trial trips of the Demosthenes. Her first sailing was in an ad of June 9, and she was due to sail Aug 31. On Aug 18, the Times reported she was "lying in the royal Albert Docks preparatory to her departure for South Africa and Australia on the 31st of this month." She was 11,300 tons with a displacement of 20,000 tons. It says she would make the trip to Australia in 40 days and carry 100 first, 1,200 third-class passengers. This was some fancy ship. If you would like the write up let me know. Regards.. Marj At 08:47 PM 7/16/2010, Sue Swiggum wrote: >Hi Janice, > >The Ancestry index says (don't know why it says Victoria) > >Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839­1923 >about Miss B Hudson >Name: Miss B Hudson >Estimated birth year: abt 1911 >Age: 9 Months >Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1911 >Arrival Port: Brisbane, Australia >Departure Port: London >Ship: Demosthenes >Nationality: English > >This looks like the right Barbara but the age doesn't make sense because it >would take so long for a Feb 1911 London departure to arrive in Brisbane. >..... confusing > >Findmypast has them listed twice, once for London and once for Plymouth >departure, but only Brisbane destination. (I don't have a sub so I can't >check the details) > >HUDSON B 1911 F 1911 London Australia Brisbane >HUDSON B 1911 F 1911 Plymouth Australia >Brisbane >HUDSON J 1876 F 1911 London Australia Brisbane >HUDSON J Unknown >F 1911 Plymouth Australia Brisbane >HUDSON R 1883 M 1911 London Australia Brisbane >HUDSON R Unknown >M 1911 Plymouth Australia Brisbane > >Barbara on FreeBMD > >Births Jun 1910 >HUDSON Barbara Irene Ormskirk 8b 906 > >Being born in the June quarter 1910 would have her sailing in Feb 1911 in >my mind, but the ship appears to have arrived at Melbourne, 9th October >1911, then to Sydney, then on to Brisbane. 950 passengers with provisions >for a voyage taking 54 to 65 days. > >Maybe someone can find the London sailing dates in newspaper reports. I >can't comment on the the age ... which _should_ be at the date of sailing >... has me wondering if she was 9 months old at the time of booking the >passage ... just a thought. With adults a year +/- wouldn't be too much >of a concern, but with an infant it can cause a lot of confusion. > >btw. the Demosthenes belonged to (new ship in 1911) > >Aberdeen Line / Aberdeen & Commonwealth Lines >http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/aberdeen.html > >Maybe Ted can dig up her info which would include her maiden voyage which >will probably nail down the voyage ... one website says five voyages to >Australia in 1911 ... I find that hard to credit. > >Sue >-- >TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ > >At 09:22 AM 2010-07-17 +1000, Janice Doughty wrote: > >Good morning Listers, > > > >I have a mystery I hope SKS can help me solve. > > > >I am assisting a friend to research her mother's side of the family. She > >told me her grandparents Richard and Jessie HUDSON, immigrated Down Under > >with her mother Barbara Irene HUDSON early in 1900. Her mother was born > >on 15th May 1910 in Southport in Lancashire. I searched the immigration > >Website records and found thier arrival in Australia on the Queensland > >website on the Card Index to Personal Files for Nominated Immigrants, > >1908-1922:- > > > >Arrival in Brisbane:- > >HUDSON Barbara Irene 9m 1911 "Demosthenes" Father HUDSON Richard > >HUDSON Jessie 35 1911 "Demosthenes" HUDSON Richard > >HUDSON Richard 28 1911 "Demosthenes" HUDSON Richard. > > > >Is the year 1911, the year the "Demosthenes" sailed from England, or the > >year she arrived in Brisbane? No matter how many Googles I carry out, I > >cannot find an actual date of her arrival. I will explain my > >dilemma. Barbara Irene HUDSON was either 9 months old when she sailed on > >the "Demosthenes" from England with her parents, or 9 months old when she > >arrived. So the ship either sailed in February 1911 or arrived in > >Australia in February 1911, I can see the "Demosthenes" arrived maybe a > >couple of times Down Under in 1911, however I would like to find the > >actual voyage the HUDSON family was one. I do hope someone can help > >me. Thank you > > > >Regards, > >Janice > >Belrose - Sydney > > > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with >the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue, Thank you very much for all this work you have put into my plea for help. As you say, it gets more confusing, however 1911 does pop up all the time and that was the year the Demosthenes was launched. Barbara's birthday was 15th May 1910, father Richard was born Dec Quarter 1883 and his wife Jessie was born Sept Quarter 1876. I must have missed them on the Victorian Website. A son was born either in Qld or NSW after the family arrived here, he was Jack R HUDSON. However, Jack died in Sydney in 1924, registered in Kogarah, he would have been around 10 to 13 years old at the time of his death. I have only been working on this family for my friend for the past three days and the information I am putting together, she had no knowledge of. As she has told me, she never listed to the grandparents stories as she was too young, and her mother was too young to know about life in England or anything about the voyage and the ship they arrived on. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] "Demosthenes" Austrlaia 1911? > Hi Janice, > > The Ancestry index says (don't know why it says Victoria) > > Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923 > about Miss B Hudson > Name: Miss B Hudson > Estimated birth year: abt 1911 > Age: 9 Months > Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1911 > Arrival Port: Brisbane, Australia > Departure Port: London > Ship: Demosthenes > Nationality: English > > This looks like the right Barbara but the age doesn't make sense because > it would take so long for a Feb 1911 London departure to arrive in > Brisbane. ..... confusing > > Findmypast has them listed twice, once for London and once for Plymouth > departure, but only Brisbane destination. (I don't have a sub so I can't > check the details) > > HUDSON B 1911 F 1911 London Australia Brisbane > HUDSON B 1911 F 1911 Plymouth Australia Brisbane > HUDSON J 1876 F 1911 London Australia Brisbane > HUDSON J Unknown F 1911 Plymouth Australia > Brisbane > HUDSON R 1883 M 1911 London Australia Brisbane > HUDSON R Unknown M 1911 Plymouth Australia > Brisbane > > Barbara on FreeBMD > > Births Jun 1910 > HUDSON Barbara Irene Ormskirk 8b 906 > > Being born in the June quarter 1910 would have her sailing in Feb 1911 in > my mind, but the ship appears to have arrived at Melbourne, 9th October > 1911, then to Sydney, then on to Brisbane. 950 passengers with provisions > for a voyage taking 54 to 65 days. > > Maybe someone can find the London sailing dates in newspaper reports. I > can't comment on the the age ... which _should_ be at the date of sailing > ... has me wondering if she was 9 months old at the time of booking the > passage ... just a thought. With adults a year +/- wouldn't be too much > of a concern, but with an infant it can cause a lot of confusion. > > btw. the Demosthenes belonged to (new ship in 1911) > > Aberdeen Line / Aberdeen & Commonwealth Lines > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/aberdeen.html > > Maybe Ted can dig up her info which would include her maiden voyage which > will probably nail down the voyage ... one website says five voyages to > Australia in 1911 ... I find that hard to credit. > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > At 09:22 AM 2010-07-17 +1000, Janice Doughty wrote: >>Good morning Listers, >> >>I have a mystery I hope SKS can help me solve. >>

I am looking for a passenger list for the General W. G. Haan that sailed from Bremerhaven, Germany on July 31, 1949 and arrived in Boston on August 9 or 10, 1949. Thanks! Andy -- Spring, TX

Good morning Listers, I have a mystery I hope SKS can help me solve. I am assisting a friend to research her mother's side of the family. She told me her grandparents Richard and Jessie HUDSON, immigrated Down Under with her mother Barbara Irene HUDSON early in 1900. Her mother was born on 15th May 1910 in Southport in Lancashire. I searched the immigration Website records and found thier arrival in Australia on the Queensland website on the Card Index to Personal Files for Nominated Immigrants, 1908-1922:- Arrival in Brisbane:- HUDSON Barbara Irene 9m 1911 "Demosthenes" Father HUDSON Richard HUDSON Jessie 35 1911 "Demosthenes" HUDSON Richard HUDSON Richard 28 1911 "Demosthenes" HUDSON Richard. Is the year 1911, the year the "Demosthenes" sailed from England, or the year she arrived in Brisbane? No matter how many Googles I carry out, I cannot find an actual date of her arrival. I will explain my dilemma. Barbara Irene HUDSON was either 9 months old when she sailed on the "Demosthenes" from England with her parents, or 9 months old when she arrived. So the ship either sailed in February 1911 or arrived in Australia in February 1911, I can see the "Demosthenes" arrived maybe a couple of times Down Under in 1911, however I would like to find the actual voyage the HUDSON family was one. I do hope someone can help me. Thank you Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney