Sandra J Hawley wrote: > Are there any Erie Canal passenger lists? Beginning in 1820 the U.S. federal government began to regulate passenger ships arriving in U.S. ports, requiring that they keep passenger lists, in part to alleviate overcrowding. This is why passenger lists for travel from Europe were created. The federal government has no authority to regulate intra-state travel, so those regulations did not apply to the Erie Canal. New York State required Erie Canal passenger lists from 1827 to 1829, and those are available at the New York State Archives: http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_trans_recrds_list.shtml Good luck! Kathy

Hi, Are there any Erie Canal passenger lists? Thanks, Sandy

HI, I am trying to search various ships my ancestors were possibly on. One question I have is - Was there some sort of naming limitation of a vessel? - By this I mean could there only be ONE vessel with a particular name ie MARY at one time or was it was it more restricted to one per registration port??????? Does that make sense?? Thank you Pat

Hello Pat, No, there were no regulations on ship's names. However, after 1855 all British ships were issued with an individual Official Number which never changed regardless of name changes, unless the ship was re-registered under a foreign flag. With a name like MARY, there would have been literally dozens!! regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <TheShipsList@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: [TSL] Ships registrations > > HI, > > I am trying to search various ships my ancestors > were possibly on. > > One question I have is - Was there some sort of > naming limitation of a vessel? - By this I mean > could there only be ONE vessel with a particular > name ie MARY at one time or was it was it more > restricted to one per registration port??????? > > Does that make sense?? > > > Thank you > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3225 - Release Date: 10/28/10 18:34:00

At 04:26 AM 10/30/2010, Ted Finch wrote: >With a name like MARY, there would have been literally dozens!! Ted makes an excellent point. That was true of many ships' names over several centuries. For example, there were a number of Mayflowers in the 1600s, and the one that came to Plymouth in 1629 was not the same ship as the 1620 Mayflower. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

HELLO EVERYONE: I WANTED THAT THEY WERE HELPING ME WITH THE FOLLOWING THING: THE NAME OF THE SHIPS AND LIST OF PASSENGERS, GIVE THE ITALIAN EMIGRANTS WHO CAME TO COLOMBIA, BETWEEN THE YEAR 1850 AND 1900. I AM GRATEFUL TO THEM VERY MUCH FOR HIS NICE COLLABORATION. REGARDS, LIZ TORRES LIZ > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:20:53 +0000 > From: nj55turtle@comcast.net > To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TSL] SS Russia, 1890 > > > > The SS Russia, arrived in NYC on May 9, 1890. The manifest notes a number of passengers are going to Baltimore, Md. > > > > Question #1; I have not been able to find out if the SS Russia ever docked in Baltimore, Md., after it left NYC? > > Question #2; If it went to Baltimore, is there a list of passengers that got off there? > > > > Steve Pickholtz > > New Jersey > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for October 2010 is . . . o Passengers Steamboats: o Chambly - 1st trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 25th May 1832 o Chambly - 2nd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 30th May 1832 o Chambly - 3rd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 5th June 1832 . . nearly 525 passengers These are the first CHAMBLY steamboat passenger lists for 1832. So far, I am really pleased with the Chambly lists .. 368 passengers on the 1st trip, 230 on the 2nd trip and nearly 525 on the 3rd. 1832 was a really huge emigration year, with 66,339 emigrants from UK to British North America (Canada) and 32,872 emigrants from UK to the United States. (many of those 66,000 to Canada continued into the US after landing at Quebec). It is too bad their are only TWO surviving steamboat lists for 1832. The season was really late, with the first ships arriving May 4th (versus April 16 in 1831) o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1832 (in progress) It was with much delight that I now have the 1832 newspapers. I had earlier learned of a blog out an individual's ancestor who had emigrated from Whitby on the Columbia which arrived at Quebec on May 27th ; I found them on the 2nd Chambly trip, May 30th. I added links to the blog and to the arrival of the Columbia. Also on the 2nd Chambly trip, several passengers had their passage paid by "Capt. Younger," who I found sailed from Leven, Fifeshire on the Urania, which also arrived May 27th, so I added a link to that arrival (plus links from the ships' arrivals back to the steamboat). As I transcribed that newspaper issue I learned that a surgeon and his wife, from Whitby, had lost three of their young children on passage to Quebec. They buried their children at Quebec on May 25th and they an their other children were also aboard 2nd Chambly trip. It was easy to research that family ... John Mewburn, MD 1788 - 1861 & Henrietta Chilton 1786 - 1876 ..... and their children. (their arrival vessel is unknown) I don't think I've ever had so many links from/to any one single steamboat list before. There are another three web pages to be added to the 1832 newspapers, so I hope I find other great connections to the passengers. The first of the Petworth Emigrants arrive in 1832, with the Eveline arriving May 28th. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Kathy, Thank you very much for the information and the link. gary -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:01 AM To: ships list Subject: Re: [TSL] Fw: 1800's INS Form question Gary wrote: > Kathy, > I am looking at a copy of the card. On the bottom it says > US Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Services. Form > N-35 (Old 1-IP). > It has under the Date of Naturalization- Dec. 14, 1854 That’s where I got > the date from. There's an image of a From 1-IP here: <http://books.google.com/books?id=Jw3kn_AgNTkC&pg=PA408&lpg=PA408&dq=immigration+naturalization+service+form+%221-IP%22&source=bl&ots=2L1B-ts9SA&sig=iMcPIAYdia6DTNDqfASAAFD1Qwg&hl=en&ei=1qHHTNWlMoO78gbH4dke&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%221%20-IP%22&f=false> p. 408 It's not an INS document; it's an index card created by the WPA. It should show you where you can obtain the original naturalization documents. Good luck! Kathy ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary wrote: > Kathy, > I am looking at a copy of the card. On the bottom it says > US Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Services. Form > N-35 (Old 1-IP). > It has under the Date of Naturalization- Dec. 14, 1854 That’s where I got > the date from. There's an image of a From 1-IP here: <http://books.google.com/books?id=Jw3kn_AgNTkC&pg=PA408&lpg=PA408&dq=immigration+naturalization+service+form+%221-IP%22&source=bl&ots=2L1B-ts9SA&sig=iMcPIAYdia6DTNDqfASAAFD1Qwg&hl=en&ei=1qHHTNWlMoO78gbH4dke&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%221%20-IP%22&f=false> p. 408 It's not an INS document; it's an index card created by the WPA. It should show you where you can obtain the original naturalization documents. Good luck! Kathy

Kathy, I am looking at a copy of the card. On the bottom it says US Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Services. Form N-35 (Old 1-IP). It has under the Date of Naturalization- Dec. 14, 1854 That’s where I got the date from. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:12 PM To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TSL] 1800's INS Form question Gary wrote: > I was asked by my aunt (marriage) what was on the back side of an > Immigration and Naturalization Service form N-35 (old 1-IP) card. On > the bottom of the front it says “Over” She never got the back side. > On the front of the card is Family name, Given name, address, > Certificate No, Title and location of Court, Country of birth, Date > of Naturalization, Name and address of witnesses > > This card is dated from 12/14/1854 I'm not sure what you have that supposedly is dated 1854 and is an Immigratiion and Naturalization Service form, but the INS didn't even exist with that name until 1933. No U.S. federal immigration service existed at all until 1891. See: http://immigration.about.com/od/usimmigrationhistory/f/INS_USCIS.htm http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/about/history/legacy/ins_history.xml You might want to take another look at the document, and let us know more about what you find. Good luck! Kathy ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary wrote: > I was asked by my aunt (marriage) what was on the back side of an > Immigration and Naturalization Service form N-35 (old 1-IP) card. On > the bottom of the front it says “Over” She never got the back side. > On the front of the card is Family name, Given name, address, > Certificate No, Title and location of Court, Country of birth, Date > of Naturalization, Name and address of witnesses > > This card is dated from 12/14/1854 I'm not sure what you have that supposedly is dated 1854 and is an Immigratiion and Naturalization Service form, but the INS didn't even exist with that name until 1933. No U.S. federal immigration service existed at all until 1891. See: http://immigration.about.com/od/usimmigrationhistory/f/INS_USCIS.htm http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/about/history/legacy/ins_history.xml You might want to take another look at the document, and let us know more about what you find. Good luck! Kathy

I was asked by my aunt (marriage) what was on the back side of an Immigration and Naturalization Service form N-35 (old 1-IP) card. On the bottom of the front it says “Over” She never got the back side. On the front of the card is Family name, Given name, address, Certificate No, Title and location of Court, Country of birth, Date of Naturalization, Name and address of witnesses This card is dated from 12/14/1854 Thanks in advance, Gary Gordon

The NY Times of May 10, 1890 does report the arrival: SS Russia, (Ger.,) Reuter, Hamburg 12 ds., with mdse. and passengers to R.J. Cortis. Arrived at the Bar at 5 45 A.M. In the same paper dated May 13, 1890 the Russia is reported sailing for Hamburg. There is no mention of the ship going on to Baltimore and it seems rather tight for the ship to make such a voyage. Regards.. Marj At 09:20 PM 10/25/2010, nj55turtle@comcast.net wrote: >The SS Russia, arrived in NYC on May 9, >1890. The manifest notes a number of >passengers are going to Baltimore, Md. Question >#1; I have not been able to find out if the SS >Russia ever docked in Baltimore, Md., after it >left NYC? Question #2; If it went to >Baltimore, is there a list of passengers that >got off there? Steve Pickholtz New Jersey >------------------------------- visit >TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- To unsubscribe >from the list, please send an email to >THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The SS Russia, arrived in NYC on May 9, 1890.  The manifest notes a number of passengers are going to Baltimore, Md. Question #1;  I have not been able to find out if the SS Russia ever docked in Baltimore, Md., after it left NYC?  Question #2;  If it went to Baltimore, is there a list of passengers that got off there? Steve Pickholtz New Jersey

MargM and Mick Thank you for your replies re Joseph Virgo Ref came from family member who has stated in his book about the Simms family that our GGrand Father Joseph Simms came to Australia in 1856 as a Baker (crew member) I could not find any details about the Joseph Virgo or Joseph Simms re Joseph Somes This vessel also has been mentioned in the family re Joseph Simms in Australia The late 1850's when he was supposed to arrive in Australia Thank you also I have found the Clip website very helpful Nan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Wallace" <wallace.nan@gmail.com> To: <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [TSL] re Joseph Virgo > I am looking for help with finding > > the "Joseph Virgo" > > Vessel said to have been in Aust in 1856 but I have been unable to > find her Hi Nan Not coming up in http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y What ref do you have that says this ? > Also looking for vessel no for the "Joseph Somes" > When/ which State ? Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Hi I am looking for help with finding the "Joseph Virgo" Vessel said to have been in Aust in 1856 but I have been unable to find her Also looking for vessel no for the "Joseph Somes" From Nan

Thanks, Sue! Andrea, I looked up the digitised newspaper index in the National Library of Australia website Trove <trove.nla.gov.au>, and found via "Pope, 10 Nov-31 Dec 1844 "a note in the Launceston Examiner Wed 11 Dec 1844 " Revolt in the high seas" citing Pope as the leader of the 3 T Hughes seamen demanding better bread. They were committed for trial, so ou might find more by extending your search after 1844. You never know what shipping information you might find in Trove! Best wishes, Bess Flores -----Original Message----- From: theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:theshipslist-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Swiggum Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 1:45 AM To: Andrea Balcombe; theshipslist@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TSL] The barque "Thomas Hughes" arr. Melb 23 Nov 1844; insubordination on the high seas Hi Andrea, You might want to consider joining our sister list, MARINERS, to ask about seamen. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/Mariners.html Mariners Website http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ On TheShipsList, there are two items from the Sydney Shipping Gazette about that vessel in 1844, about 3/4 of the way down the page, added in the paper as if by after-thought, about mid December. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1844d.htm ... unfortunately, no discussion about "Pope." Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 11:19 PM 2010-10-24 +1000, Andrea Balcombe wrote: >Hi everyone, > >The barque "Thomas Hughes" sailed from Liverpool on 18th July 1844 and >arrived Port Phillip, Melbourne on Nov 23 1844. > >Captain Butler brought 3 seamen, named Pope, Evans and O'Hea/O'Hare to be >charged with insubordination on the high seas. > >I am wondering if seaman POPE is possibly my ancestor John Richard POPE b. >1823 Bristol, Gloucestershire, UK. > >The timeframe is right; he m. Jane Morgan on 13 July 1846 in Melbourne, Vic. >Bapt of son in 1848 has his occupation listed as sailor; sons baptism and >death cert 1849 & 1851 give occupation as mariner. From then on he was >miner or digger. (All in Vic.) > >Does anyone have more info re this ship and would records give POPEs >christian name/s (or even list him/crew at all) or has anyone come across >my man please? > >Cheers, Andrea. ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nan You should try the Clip website http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalpha.php The Clip database includes every British registered ship from 1855 to the early 1950s with official numbers 1 to 200000. When you find your vessel it will also provide you with links to other sources of info .. Their are 3 entries for Joseph Somes but none for Joseph Virgo . Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nan Wallace To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:39 AM Subject: [TSL] re Joseph Virgo

Hi everyone, The barque "Thomas Hughes" sailed from Liverpool on 18th July 1844 and arrived Port Phillip, Melbourne on Nov 23 1844. Captain Butler brought 3 seamen, named Pope, Evans and O'Hea/O'Hare to be charged with insubordination on the high seas. I am wondering if seaman POPE is possibly my ancestor John Richard POPE b. 1823 Bristol, Gloucestershire, UK. The timeframe is right; he m. Jane Morgan on 13 July 1846 in Melbourne, Vic. Bapt of son in 1848 has his occupation listed as sailor; sons baptism and death cert 1849 & 1851 give occupation as mariner. From then on he was miner or digger. (All in Vic.) Does anyone have more info re this ship and would records give POPEs christian name/s (or even list him/crew at all) or has anyone come across my man please? Cheers, Andrea.