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At 04:27 PM 2006-04-25 -0400, Shirley Benshoff wrote: >I believe my great grandfather, Robert Knox, sailed from Londonderry to >Quebec April 18, 1872. But his wife, Ann Knox and two children, Robert and >James, did not accompany them. Does anyone have any info on this ship or >passenger list? If a married man was traveling alone, would the ship's >documents show him as being married or single? Hello Shirley, Here are the passenger list details for that sailing Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks C-4527 SCANDINAVIAN Liverpool, England 1872-04-18 / Londonderry, Ireland 1872-04-19 Quebec, Que. 1872-04-29 / Montreal, Que. 1872-05-05 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (U): Mr. Stiperlay, Bristol (6) & (U): National Emigration League (3) & (U): Rev. Mr. Fletcher, Devon (5) & (U): Rev. Mr. Herring, London (99) List Number: 1; Gold-headed Cane, Capt. W. Ballantine All things being equal, the passenger list should indicate Robert's marital status. The passenger manifest format for that period includes a field, four columns wide, headed Age of each adult of 12 years and upward ........then a double column under that Married | Single ........then four columns below that M | F | M | F It was a very common practise for "dad" to arrive first, to find a job, a home for the family and get settled before 'mum and the children' arrived. The Scandinavian was the first passenger ship to arrive at the port of Montreal for the 1872 shipping season, which is why Captain Ballantine won the coveted "gold-headed cane." Ann and the children likely arrived a little later in the season . . maybe even on the same ship, or at least on another from the same shipping line http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/allan.html We have the ship description and voyage history for SCANDINAVIAN here http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsS.html The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their number LDS number 0889447 ~ 1872 ~ port of Quebec I see you have a Canadian email address. Here find a list of institutions in Canada who also have copies of this microfilm. You may have one close by http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-903-e.html Good Luck Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

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Can you help- I am trying to trace an ancestor who was transported to Australia on the Prince Regent which left Portsmouth June 1827, arriving NSW Sept 1827. His name was Thomas Cooling (alias Cooke) from Dunston, Lincolnshire. I have made this enquiry before & was told he not seen on any list- just that 180people left England & 180 arrived! As he was a criminal (he stole 7 chickens!) i don't know whether he would count as passenger or cargo? I have rechecked all the court detail & they confirm the ship & dates & state the ships master as William Richards. I have no idea where to look next- please can anyone help? Thankyou. Julie x

I have passenger list for ship that my Gfather came from Scotland to Port of New York and can read it all but column after number of pieces of luggage. Could someone with better eye sight make out the name of this column?Joan

On 25 Apr 2006 at 16:27, Shirley Benshoff wrote: > I believe my great grandfather, Robert Knox, sailed from > Londonderry to Quebec April 18, 1872. But his wife, Ann > Knox and two children, Robert and James, did not accompany > them. Does anyone have any info on this ship or passenger > list? The National Archives of Canada (NAC) holds immigration records from 1865 to 1935. Ships are on the reel, in order of arrival. You can find the details at this URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html If you want to order filmed passenger lists (remember they aren't indexed!), a list of NAC microfilm numbers for passenger lists to Canada 1865-1922 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_can1865.shtml -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Greetings, Try 'The Great Liners', 'The Atlantic Crossing', both by Time Life Books, The Seafarers. Peter dolores desideri wrote: > Now that I have established that my Priban Great Grandparents arrived > in New York on the Bark Olbers out of Bremen in 1867, I would like to > read more about the living conditions aboard these ships. I read mega > amounts about my Italian Grandparents voyage and their Ellis Island > experience, but nothing about the sailing ships. > > Please tell me what sites and books would be best. > > > dolores desideri > > Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, > Janecek, and Antos. > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

On 22 Apr 2006 at 22:31, Jim Cullen wrote: > Looking for the passenger list of the Bark Asia that arrived > in Philadelphia on September 5, 1833. You're in luck, because PA ships lists have been kept, and are on microfilm, as far back as 1800 There are indexes you can use to search for the surname you are interested in For a complete list of film numbers for ships going to PA after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_pa.shtml Find the film you need and write down the NARA or Family History Centre film number you need. Then you can order the film in to your nearest FHC or have NARA do the lookup for you. The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee If you want to try your luck ONline, there is a custom search engine that will search most Internet sites with ships going to PA. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ and choose PENNSYLVANIA from the state choices. Scroll down to the yellow search engine. Lorine http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_pa.shtml Passenger Lists to PA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchpaships.shtml Custom Search Engines Internet-wide for Ships to PA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_pa.shtml NARA & FHC film nos. from 1820 for immigration

On 22 Apr 2006 at 22:42, Sandy Morrey wrote: > > Most documentation says the ship landed 18 June 1827, other > documentation suggests 1828. > > I would like to know the name of this ship, There are 2 separate indexes for Baltimore for the years 1833-1866. One lists passengers on federal lists, the second lists passengers on city lists. You can't just check one - if you check one and don't find your ancestor, you have to check the other one. If you are sure your ancestor arrived before 1833, you can find him/her on filmed indexes. For a list of Film Numbers for Ships to Maryland, after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_baltmd.shtml For online Ships to Maryland see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_md.shtml If you want to search multiple websites at once for passenger lists, there is a custom search engine for Ships going to Maryland at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchmdships.shtml **Search over 5,000 Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml ** Naturalization Records at http://naturalizationrecords.com/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ otg@csolve.net

On 22 Apr 2006 at 22:01, Sandy Morrey wrote: > Peter M. Yager arrived in New Orleans in 1852. You can also search OR browse 281 ships and their passengers to New Orleans from Jan to July 1851 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_la1820.shtml For a complete list of NARA and FHC microfilm numbers for LA, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_louisiana.shtml To find a ship to LA after 1820 you can search ONline transcriptions or OFFline microfilm records. Ships to Louisiana after 1820 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_la1820.shtml To use custom search engines to search multiple websites at once, see the page "Search FREE Ships Passenger Lists to Louisiana" (528 ships as of last week) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchlaships.shtml Also see http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ Choose LOUISIANA from the menu choices Good luck! Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

on April 25, 2006 8:00 PM Sue replied to Ron Faulkner > > Many thanks for your wonderful site the 'Ships List'. I am trying to > locate > information of the last journey of the RMS Alaunia 1. > I know from your information that the ship was mined and sank in 1916. I > would like to find out where the boat was headed at the time of her > sinking. > I believe that my Grandmother was on that ship and that she had lost two > of > her children - 'buried at sea'. > Any help that you could offer would be very much appreciated. Thanks very much. We do have a description and voyage history here, http://theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsA.html . . however, this site answers all your questions, including that the two deaths were crew members, not passengers. http://www.shipwrecksofscotland.com/RMS_Alaunia.htm >>>>>>>>>> It is by no means impossible that the two youngsters had died earlier on the fateful voyage - indeed "buried at sea" implies a deliberate consignment to the deep. If Ron could give the names of the children - or at least their family name - there should be a record. Unfortunately as an inbound vessel from the US, there is probably no surviving passenger list (outward from New York because they didn't keep them, and inward to London as she didn't arrive) David Asprey

I checked Ancestry again looking for a departure date from Bremen for my Great Grandfather's immigration trip. The manifest for the Bark Olbers which arrived in N.Y. on July 30, 1867 does not show a departure date. Is there any way that I can find when the ship left Germany. I really want to know how long it was at sea. dolores desideri Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, Janecek, and Antos.

On 25 Apr 2006 at 16:20, Bill Hetherman wrote: > Looking for info re: (above subject) sailing out of Limerick > in May or June l848 and arriving in Boston, MA. on 19 June > 1848. Many thanks. You should be able to find what you want on microfilmed lists. For a complete list of film numbers for ships going to Mass. after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_mass.shtml Find your date (year, month, day if known) and write down the NARA or Family History Centre film number you need. Then you can order the film in to your nearest FHC or have NARA do the lookup for you. The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee but you must know the name of the ship, the date of arrival, and the port of arrival. To obtain a search request form, write to: General Reference Branch (NNRG), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408 and request NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. To find your nearest FHC you can go to http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp To search many online ships lists to Massachusetts go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/ and select MASSACHUSETTS from the state choices. Scroll down to the yellow search box under IMMIGRATION on that page. From that search engine you can search over 500 online ships for your ancestors. -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Sue Mmmmm....no, I think this one was very utilitarian, not a crafted keepsake, like that lovely Norwegian one. A basic wooden box, painted black all over, with black-painted iron straps. Zinc-lined, probably rather to keep out bugs from things like feather beds (I know my great grandmother used to travel with hers, but I am not sure if it was in this trunk or not....story goes she had a trunk just for the feather bed!), although I suppose it could have been used for food. Ireland was not a family name on this side of the family, that's why I was inclined to think it was a ship's name. Mary Anne Sue Swiggum wrote: > Hi Mary Anne, > > At 06:46 PM 2006-04-24 -0400, A. S. Mackenzie & M. A. Sharpe wrote: > >> I have an old trunk that belonged to my great great grandmother, who >> lived in Canada between 1844 and 1943, and possibly also to her >> Mother, who was born in Ireland, emigrated to Canada and died in >> 1892, aged about 90. The trunk is a plain wooden box, really, lined >> with zinc, and with iron hinges and straps on the outside, the whole >> painted black, and with the following stencilled on the lid: >> >> "H.S. Ireland" >> >> I am not sure whether this may have been a transatlantic ship, or one >> that was used on the Great Lakes. I would be grateful for any >> information anyone might have about a ship called the Ireland. What >> does "H.S." stand for, anyone know? > > > I would be inclined to think it was someones initials ? I wonder if > the trunk was a food-chest which emigrants used to have to carry for > long transatlantic voyages ? > > This is a link to Norway Heritage site (in English) > http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/voyages.asp?articleid=20&zoneid=6 > > > The first picture shows emigrants below deck, with one sitting on an > initialed chest. If you scroll down further to "Food and drink" you > see a photograph of a beautiful "Rosemåled" Chest, which was used for > that purpose. > > Just a guess. > > Sue

Anyone care to hazard a guess which ship this was? ……………….. From ‘The Illustrated London News’, September 29th, 1849 We copy the following singular narrative from the Dublin Evening Mail: The colliers, which frequent the southern ports of Ireland, frequently take passengers to England or Wales at a very low rate―such as half-a-crown a head. In April, one of those vessels took in sixty passengers in a small southern port and, fortunately for them, also took in a large number of sheep. Shortly after the vessel had sailed, she encountered heavy adverse gales, which drove her down the Channel and into the Atlantic, where she was tossed about for several days, steering at random, the worthy skipper being in utter ignorance of his position. The sheep were slaughtered to save the crew and passengers from starvation. At length the wanderers fell in with a ship, and, like the celebrated navigator who sought Fingal, they discovered where they were. They were informed that a perseverance for two days, not in a nor-east but in a nor-west course, would bring them to New York, and there they arrived with all the passengers, save the sheep, safe. The half-crown men were delighted to find that their voyage terminated under the Star-Spangled Banner. The families of those who thus unexpectedly crossed the Atlantic had given them up for lost, but have lately received letters informing them of their safe arrival in America, and that they would shortly send money to enable their friends to join them in a country as yet―happily for themselves―unskilled in the science of political economy, and so selfish as to deem it better to support their own citizens than encourage and reward the industry of foreigners. Awaiting the expected remittances, the several families retired into lodgings in a union workhouse. ………………… Good job the passengers weren’t Welshmen. The sheep wouldn't have been fit to eat. ……………….. Regards,Tony (Wales)

I believe my great grandfather, Robert Knox, sailed from Londonderry to Quebec April 18, 1872. But his wife, Ann Knox and two children, Robert and James, did not accompany them. Does anyone have any info on this ship or passenger list? If a married man was traveling alone, would the ship's documents show him as being married or single? Thanks for your help. Shirley

Looking for info re: (above subject) sailing out of Limerick in May or June l848 and arriving in Boston, MA. on 19 June 1848. Many thanks. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

Hi List My ancestors John And Alice Doherty/Dougherty and children John And Catherine came from Longford to settle in Prescot Lancs early 1800's my questions are where would they sail from and how do I find where in Longford they came from Cheers George Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: At 06:46 PM 2006-04-24 -0700, robin mullaney wrote: >I'm looking for ancestors who came over from Sligo Ireland in 1869. There >are ports in Sligo Ireland but I never see a ship list/manifest from >there. I mostly see ships from Liverpool via Queenstown or Limerick or >Glasgow. Has anyone ever seen a ship list from a Sligo port? Hi Robin, As Harry noted, by 1869 even if an individual came from Sligo, it is highly unlikely they sailed from that port. I agree that Londonderry would be the most likely port of departure for people from Sligo in 1869. As Harry also noted, there were several place names for departure from different parts of that area . . . <> You don't say where your ancestors were sailing to . . or where they settled, but for instance, in 1869 there were 32 direct sailings from Liverpool via Londonderry, to Quebec, Canada. If you are interested in the port of Sligo itself, if you go to http://www.theshipslist.com/ scroll to the bottom of the page and type Sligo into the search box, you'll find 63+ pages where that name appears. either on a passenger list or a newspaper report &c. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Cheers George

Hi Ron, On 4/25/06, Ron F <orian1@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Many thanks for your wonderful site the 'Ships List'. I am trying to locate > information of the last journey of the RMS Alaunia 1. > I know from your information that the ship was mined and sank in 1916. I > would like to find out where the boat was headed at the time of her sinking. > I believe that my Grandmother was on that ship and that she had lost two of > her children - 'buried at sea'. > Any help that you could offer would be very much appreciated. > Regards, > > Ron Faulkner. > email orian1@bigpond.net.au Thanks very much. We do have a description and voyage history here, http://theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsA.html . . however, this site answers all your questions, including that the two deaths were crew members, not passengers. http://www.shipwrecksofscotland.com/RMS_Alaunia.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

At 12:02 PM 2006-04-25 -0500, dolores desideri wrote: >Now that I have established that my Priban Great Grandparents arrived in >New York on the Bark Olbers out of Bremen in 1867, I would like to read >more about the living conditions aboard these ships. I read mega amounts >about my Italian Grandparents voyage and their Ellis Island experience, >but nothing about the sailing ships. Delores, The site I just posted to Mary Anne might be of interest to you too http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/voyages.asp?articleid=20&zoneid=6 It is the Norway Heritage site (in English), but the "The Transatlantic Crossing" written by Børge Solem gives a wonderful description of the transatlantic voyage through the ages. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/