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I am looking for ship's list for S.S. Lake Simcoe. It sailed from Liverpool and landed in Saint John's New Brunswick about March 14, or 15, l903. The names I am looking for are Samoila or Samoil. First name Trifu. thank you for your help. Diane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

dolores desideri <ddesideri@earthlink.net> posted: >> I have had the most amazing day of everything falling into place after a year of brick walls. It looks like my Great Grandfather Wenzl/Vaclav Priban and family immigrated on the ship Olbers. This is the information that I've received. "Baca book, Volume 4, New York 1867 Priban, Wenzl (37), Maria (33), Johan (8), Barbara (9mo) New York Passenger Lists, July 30, 1867, ship Olbers, destination Chicago Preban, Wenzl, Maria, Johan, Barbara" >> Can anyone confirm this date? I can't find the arrival in the New York Times and the Olbers doesn't seem to be listed in Germans to America around this date. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Tricia Pearcey <tricia.pearcey@ntlworld.com> posted >> I have been trying to track down a ship named "Independence" which sailed from London to New York. The ship arrived in New York on 11 February 1851 and the Master was Robert A Fletcher (780 tons). Ancestors of mine were listed as passengers but I am unable to find the ship listed on your site. Are you able to help please? >> It is true the Independence seems to have been missed on TheShipsList; no conspiracy, just nobody asked about her before :-) The ship was built in 1833/34 (by Smith & Dimon of New York, I think) and was the first packet ship over 700 tons (733 tons). She was owned by Fish, Grinnell & Company. Her first captain was Ira Bursley, (drowned 1850 in the wreck of the Hottinguer). She was captained for many years from 1836 by Eliza Nye, known for carrying a lot of sail and making fast passages. She went missing at sea in 1856, still operating, I think, in the packet trade. Source: Queens of the Western Ocean, Carl Cutler -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Sue Swiggum posted: >> btw. you questioned "John Hopkins Harlow" arriving via New York as an Canadian immigrant. Just one year later, my ggrandfather's [Sue's] older half brother Job and family arrived via New York, took the Hudson to Albany, then the Erie Canal to Rochester, then across Lake Ontario, to Cobourg, Ontario. Granted, they didn't then head down the St. Lawrence, although they could have, should they wished. Job was not a military officer nor a wealthy merchant, but a simple labourer who had been an indentured 'slave' from the age of 8 until 21. My objection was to someone travelling to Quebec City by way of New York, and not to someone going to other parts of Canada. Many immigrants to Canada did travel by American ports (although fares to Quebec were usually cheaper). Like much else in immigration, the details varied over time as conditions (cost, travel routes, opportunity) changed. I once saw figures that in one year as many people emigrated to Canada via the U.S. as emigrated to the U.S. by way of Canada :-) As it appears John Hopkins Harlow was not on the WEST POINT when she arrived in New York, I wonder if the situation was that he had gone ahead of his family, presumably in 1850, found work in Quebec, and then sent for his family. As Quebec was not open in March because of ice, they may have been sold tickets to New York, and possibly left on their own to cope with the overland journey to Quebec. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Julie, SINAIA 1924 8,567 gross tons, length 440ft x beam 56.1ft, two funnels, two masts, twin screw, speed 14 knots, accommodation for 132-cabin and 522-3rd class passengers. Launched on 19th Aug.1922 by Barclay, Curle & Co, Glasgow for the Fabre Line, Marseilles she started her maiden voyage from Marseilles to Naples and New York on 14th Oct.1924. She continued Mediterranean - New York until starting her last passenger voyage in Jun.1935 from Marseilles to Piraeus, Providence, New York and return to Marseilles. The world wide shipping slump caused the service to be discontinued. Nov.1942 seized by the Germans and converted to a hospital ship. Aug.1944 scuttled by Germans at Marseilles, 1946 raised and scrapped. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lazar1946@aol.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: [TSL] looking for a Ship > sirs, > looking for a description of the ship my mother came to US on, from > Persia. orginated at port in Beirut, Lebanon. > > Name is, "Sinaia" ship. 1932 arrival to RI. > > Julie Lazar Taylor > Flint, Michigan > lazar1946@aol.com > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Thanks Harry, I'd hoped you could enlarge on railway travel ca. 1851. btw. you questioned "John Hopkins Harlow" arriving via New York as an Canadian immigrant. Just one year later, my ggrandfather's older half brother Job and family arrived via New York, took the Hudson to Albany, then the Erie Canal to Rochester, then across Lake Ontario, to Cobourg, Ontario. Granted, they didn't then head down the St. Lawrence, although they could have, should they wished. Job was not a military officer nor a wealthy merchant, but a simple labourer who had been an indentured 'slave' from the age of 8 until 21 Curiously, John Hopkins Harlow doesn't show as arriving via New York at all and the only Harlow's on the WEST POINT were . . . Martha Harlow, 31 Anne Harlow, 6 Thomas Harlow, 5 William Harlow, 4 Mary Ann Harlow, inf . . . with the US as a destination. 'Uncle' Job had Canada as a destination. In closing . . this is interesting, Victoria county 1870 . . Thomas above must have been Edward Thomas vol 10, pg 125 (Victoria Co): Edward Thomas HARLOW, 25, widower, harness maker, England, Bobcaygeon, s/o Martha & John Hopkins HARLOW, married Elizabeth Ann MITCHEL, 19, Canada, Verulam, d/o James & Sarah, witn: Robert & Elinor Jane MITCHEL of Verulam, 9 Sept 1870 at Verulam Sue -- At 09:17 PM 2006-05-07 -0400, Harry Dodsworth wrote: > David (brenerda@aol.com) posted: > >> >What is the typical way the immigrants from England, who arrived in New >York City, would get from NYC to Point Levis, Quebec. Specifically, >John Hopkins Harlow and family arrived on the WEST POINT 29 Mar 1851. >No later than 26 Aug 1852, they are in Levis. They had no reason to linger >in New York. I think they went directly to Canada. Would they have boarded >another ship? Would they have travelled up via New York State by land? >Would the WEST POINT [have] continued on to Quebec? > >> > > I would be interested to know more about John Hopkins Harlow. In my >experience, only military officers and wealthy merchants travelled from >England to Quebec by the New York packets. Quebec City was not a usual >destination for immigrants and I find it odd that one would go there >via New York. > > I disagree with Sue Swiggum's suggestion that they might have travelled >to Quebec by the Erie Canal and then down the St. Lawrence. > > Here is an extract of an advertisement (Montreal Gazette, April 2 1851) >Winter Arrangements between MONTREAL, BOSTON, NEW YORK. >VERMONT CANADA and VERMONT CENTRAL RAILROAD >Opened from West Alburgh to New York and Boston. >Passengers for NEW YORK, BOSTON and BRITISH STEAMERS, will LEAVE MONTREAL >DAILY, at 8 o'clock A.M., by Stage, and connect at West Alburgh, (opposite >Rouse's Point), with the VERMONT CANADA and VERMONT CENTRAL RAILROAD, >and arrive at St. Albans at 7 o'clock P.M. to lodge; leave ST. ALBANS >at 6.30 A.M., next morning and arrive at BOSTON at 7 P.M., or at >NEW YORK the following morning at 5 A.M. > Passengers will find this the quickest and most comfortable route to >either of the above places, as there is but 48 miles of Staging. >N.B. the BRITISH MAIL, from and to Montreal via New York and Boston, >passes over this route. > > The mention of this being the quickest route suggests others, and indeed >the Rutland and Burlington Railroad had an advertisement for their route. >This involved a Stage to Plattsburg (N.Y.), a ferry to Burlington, and >then rail to Boston and New York. > The railroad apologized for previous problems caused by another railroad >(probably the above Vermont roads which were riddled with fraud) and in >another note said that their Lake Champlain steamers had reached Plattsburg >and in another day or two were expected to reach St. John's (Que; now >St. Jean-de-Richelieu) which was connected to Montreal by rail. > > So while it is not possible to give an exact route, I think it quite >likely that the Harlow family were able to travel from New York to >Montreal by one of the above Champlain valley routes. > > Note that in the 1850s railroads were expanding and the same route >might not have been available earlier, or might have been replaced later. >Indeed the history of the Vermont and Canada Railroad (Canadian National >Railways, Vol 1, G. R. Stevens) states that the line to Alburgh was only >opened in June 1851, which does not agree with the above advertisement. > >-- >Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca >----------------------------------------------------------------

The following note was in the Montreal Gazette (April 4, 1851) The Franklin which sails [from New York] on Saturday, for Southampton, goes out full of passengers, many of whom are on a visit to the World's Fair. This was the Great Exhibition of 1851, held in London. This is the earliest note that I recall about groups of tourists crossing the Atlantic Ocean. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

sirs, looking for a description of the ship my mother came to US on, from Persia. orginated at port in Beirut, Lebanon. Name is, "Sinaia" ship. 1932 arrival to RI. Julie Lazar Taylor Flint, Michigan lazar1946@aol.com

David (brenerda@aol.com) posted: >> What is the typical way the immigrants from England, who arrived in New York City, would get from NYC to Point Levis, Quebec. Specifically, John Hopkins Harlow and family arrived on the WEST POINT 29 Mar 1851. No later than 26 Aug 1852, they are in Levis. They had no reason to linger in New York. I think they went directly to Canada. Would they have boarded another ship? Would they have travelled up via New York State by land? Would the WEST POINT [have] continued on to Quebec? >> I would be interested to know more about John Hopkins Harlow. In my experience, only military officers and wealthy merchants travelled from England to Quebec by the New York packets. Quebec City was not a usual destination for immigrants and I find it odd that one would go there via New York. I disagree with Sue Swiggum's suggestion that they might have travelled to Quebec by the Erie Canal and then down the St. Lawrence. Here is an extract of an advertisement (Montreal Gazette, April 2 1851) Winter Arrangements between MONTREAL, BOSTON, NEW YORK. VERMONT CANADA and VERMONT CENTRAL RAILROAD Opened from West Alburgh to New York and Boston. Passengers for NEW YORK, BOSTON and BRITISH STEAMERS, will LEAVE MONTREAL DAILY, at 8 o'clock A.M., by Stage, and connect at West Alburgh, (opposite Rouse's Point), with the VERMONT CANADA and VERMONT CENTRAL RAILROAD, and arrive at St. Albans at 7 o'clock P.M. to lodge; leave ST. ALBANS at 6.30 A.M., next morning and arrive at BOSTON at 7 P.M., or at NEW YORK the following morning at 5 A.M. Passengers will find this the quickest and most comfortable route to either of the above places, as there is but 48 miles of Staging. N.B. the BRITISH MAIL, from and to Montreal via New York and Boston, passes over this route. The mention of this being the quickest route suggests others, and indeed the Rutland and Burlington Railroad had an advertisement for their route. This involved a Stage to Plattsburg (N.Y.), a ferry to Burlington, and then rail to Boston and New York. The railroad apologized for previous problems caused by another railroad (probably the above Vermont roads which were riddled with fraud) and in another note said that their Lake Champlain steamers had reached Plattsburg and in another day or two were expected to reach St. John's (Que; now St. Jean-de-Richelieu) which was connected to Montreal by rail. So while it is not possible to give an exact route, I think it quite likely that the Harlow family were able to travel from New York to Montreal by one of the above Champlain valley routes. Note that in the 1850s railroads were expanding and the same route might not have been available earlier, or might have been replaced later. Indeed the history of the Vermont and Canada Railroad (Canadian National Railways, Vol 1, G. R. Stevens) states that the line to Alburgh was only opened in June 1851, which does not agree with the above advertisement. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Have enjoyed the list....thanks for the info I received. Shirley

What route would you take to travel from the port of new york in 1826 to southern Oh Monroe, Co. Betty aber@kiski.net

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for May 2006 is . . . o Passengers: o Lady Sherbrooke - 22nd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 19th October 1824 o Lady Sherbrooke - 23rd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 27th October 1824 o Lady Sherbrooke - 24th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 3rd November 1824 o Lady Sherbrooke - 25th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 13th November 1824 Lady Sherbrooke lists now finally complete. The next 1824 passenger lists will be for the New Swiftsure, 29 lists, and they look nice and clear for the most part. o Fleets new: o China Navigation Company o Compagnie Maritime Belge (Lloyd Royal) / Compagnie Maritime Belge du Congo o Currie Line, Melbourne o Società Italo Platense Four new Fleets. Who could have imagined when we started "The Fleets" project that we would be able to represent SO many Fleets, of all types, geographic locations, periods and sizes . . . and we aren't even close to being finished. To date we have 257 Fleets and 24,483 ships represented, which is probably underestimated because we have several feeder-ship steamship lines grouped on four feeder line pages, which aren't totaled seperately in my database where I keep count. :-} Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

At 02:25 AM 2006-05-07 -0400, brenerda@aol.com wrote: >What is the typical way the immigrants from England, who arrived in New >York City, would get from NYC to Point Levis, Quebec. Specifically, John >Hopkins Harlow and family arrived on the WEST POINT 29 Mar 1851. No later >than 26 Aug 1852, they are in Levis. They had no reason to linger in New >York. I think they went directly to Canada. Would they have boarded >another ship? Would they have travelled up via New York State by >land? Would the WEST POINT continued on to Quebec? Any information would >be greatly appreciated. David, Fargo, ND Hi David, They would have taken a boat / barge up the Hudson River to Albany, then onto the Erie canal. Before 1830 there were even lateral canals opened, including the Champlain and the Oswego. They might have crossed Lake Ontario at Oswego, NY. Here is a terrific map, to illustrate http://www.canals.state.ny.us/maps/index.html In 1851, the Hudson River was opened to navigation for the season on February 25th and the Erie Canal. from Albany, on April 15th. There were plenty of Lake and River steamers to take them to Pointe Lévis. In 1851 there was some rail in Canada, but it wasn't wide-spread. By 1836 there was the Champlain and St. Lawrence Railroad which ran from Montreal to Saint Jean, where the Richelieu River flows into Lake Champlain, but not yet on to Qubec city, so I tend to lean toward a water route for them. The railway was extended to Rouses Point, New York, in 1851 and to St Lambert, Québec, in 1852. Harry Dodsworth can probably enlarge on the rail option . . or not. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Candida, His award appears on page 2 of the Second Supplement to the London Gazette of Friday 1 January 1943. He was awarded a Knight's Bachelorship, and is listed as "Captain Arthur Lewis Owens R.D., R.N.R. (Retd.), Master, Merchant Navy." At the time he was Master of the ORION (Orient Steam Navigation Company). The fact that his award was announced in the NYH suggests that it was for general good services rather than for a specific action. There is a history of the Orient Line - "Passenger Ships of the Orient Line" by Neil McCart. I found him mentioned also on a webpage that describes a collision between HMS REVENGE and ORION: http://www.pnc.com.au/~byceme/orion/anecdote.htm I hope this helps. Bernard de Neumann > -----Original Message----- > From: Candida Owens - Simmonds Ltd (Metal Trading) > [mailto:candida.owens@btinternet.com] > Sent: 05 May 2006 14:46 > To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TSL] Louis Arthur Owens > > Dear Sirs, > > I am trying to find information on the web about my grand father, Cmdr > Louis Arthur Owens of the Orient Steam Navigation Co. > > I would be very grateful if you could direct me to a web-site that > might give me some information on him. He was knighted for services > during the evacuation of Singapore during the second world war. > > I would greatly appreciate you help. > > Thank you. > > Kind regards > Candida Owens > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > TheShipsList Searchable Archives Database > http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/by+date > TheShipsList RootsWeb Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TheShipsList/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

What is the typical way the immigrants from England, who arrived in New York City, would get from NYC to Point Levis, Quebec. Specifically, John Hopkins Harlow and family arrived on the WEST POINT 29 Mar 1851. No later than 26 Aug 1852, they are in Levis. They had no reason to linger in New York. I think they went directly to Canada. Would they have boarded another ship? Would they have travelled up via New York State by land? Would the WEST POINT continued on to Quebec? Any information would be greatly appreciated. David, Fargo, ND

Pat, The London Times carried several items on this event. The one dated May 12, 1918 is very interesting and gives a great many details. There are 13 articles on the topic dating May 12-Nov 15. One of the items is a letter from an Arthur Whatman, who came with a relief effort (dated May 31). Regards.. Marj At 08:12 PM 5/4/2006, Pat Ruddell wrote: >I'm searching for an eyewitness account by a British Naval officer who >was on board a naval vessel anchored at St Pierre in Martinique on May >8th 1902. He wrote, in considerable detail of the horrific events of >the day, when Mont Pelee erupted and the town of St Pierre was wiped >out - some 29000 died. > >Now I know this acount exists. I came across it in a collection of >material on volcanoes published in a folder around 1975 (??) I don't >know who was the publisher, but I do recall that the name given to >series (there were many such folders on a wide range of topics) was >'Jachdaw' > >Can you assist in any way? I've Googled, without success - but it's >hard to know what to ask for! > >I write in hope > >Pat Ruddell > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* >REMEMBER - Posts to the list and/or digest MUST be sent to: > TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

"Steve" <tierneys1@verizon.net> posted: I am trying to trace the movements of the SS Tripoli arrived in the Port of New York - 3 April 1866 - from Liverpool-Queenstown-New York 1866. <questions snipped> Here is a reference and the arrival report from the New York Times. NYT April 3, 1866 The extra Cunard steamer Tripoli left Liverpool on the 20th [of March] for this port [New York]. [An extra steamer was one extra to the regular scheduled sailings, usually to cope with an unexpectedly high demand.] NYT April 4, 1866 Arrived New York, April 3 Steamship Tripoli, [captain] Harrison, Liverpool March 20, and Queenstown 21st, with mdse. and 229 passengers to [agent] E. E. Cunard. April 2, 208 miles E. of Sandy Hook, passed Norwegian ship Goochen, for New York. April 3, off Fire Island, passed bark Harriet, for New York. It is unusual that the NYT did not mention that the Tripoli was British. While most Cunard names ended in -ia, the Tripoli was built for a Mediterranean service and named accordingly. The following steamship in the arrival list had a unusual crossing. Steamship St. Patrick (Br.,) [captain] Trocks Glasgow March 7, Londonderry 9th, Halifax 27th, St. John, N.B., 31st., in ballast, and 100 passengers to [agents] Williams and Guion. This was presumably the St. Patrick of the Allan Line. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi, Details of CUZCO at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsCC.html regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.A. de Wit" <sigrid.dewit@xs4all.nl> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: [TSL] CUZCO - UK > SYDNEY - 1892 > Hello, > > I am looking for information on the voyage of the vessel Cuzco, travelling > from London to Sydney in 1892, arriving in Sydney on the 5th of June 1892. > > Any information is welcome, for example the date and/or time of departure, > the type and size of the ship, how many passengers it held and in which > classes (1st, 2nd or whatever that is called in shipping language), > etcetera. > > I would be very grateful for any information given! > > Thanks in advance, > > S. de Wit. > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Hello, I am looking for information on the voyage of the vessel Cuzco, travelling from London to Sydney in 1892, arriving in Sydney on the 5th of June 1892. Any information is welcome, for example the date and/or time of departure, the type and size of the ship, how many passengers it held and in which classes (1st, 2nd or whatever that is called in shipping language), etcetera. I would be very grateful for any information given! Thanks in advance, S. de Wit.