In a message dated 5/13/2006 8:49:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: mailto:TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com I am new to this, so I hope I am doing this right. I would like to know if any one knows of ships lists that deal with Rhode Island. I am looking for ships that came from Liverpool, to Rhode Island. Thank you... _ouraddition@aol.com_ (mailto:ouraddition@aol.com)

Does anyone know which were the principal ports for embarkation from the UK to South Africa in the 1890s please. I am trying to track an individual living in Liverpool in 1891/2 and then appearing in South Africa under a different name. All jolly good confusing stuff but thats the please of genealogy - or so I keep being told ! Regards Mike Say -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006

I have an interest in 19th century maritime health matters, and toothache at sea (as I know to my cost) can drive a man to drink. The following advertisement might have been appealing to those who could afford it: From The Illustrated London News, September 2nd 1843 ESSENTIAL FOR THOSE EMIGRATING: Loss of teeth supplied without Springs, Clasps, or Wires, Loose Teeth Fastened and Filling of Decayed Teeth with Mineral Marmoratum. LE DRAY AND SONS, SURGEON DENTISTS, 42 Berners Street, Oxford Street, continue to restore decayed Teeth with their celebrated Mineral Marmoratum, applied without pain, heat or perfume, preventing and curing the Toothache, and rendering the operation of extraction unnecessary. They also fasten loose Teeth, whether arising from age, neglect, the use of calomel, or disease of the gums. Incorrodible, Artificial, or Natural Teeth, of surpassing beauty, fixed, from one to a complete set, without extracting the roots, or giving any pain, at the following charges: A single Tooth, 10s; a Set, £5 5s.; a complete Set, £10 10s.; a complete set of Natural Teeth, beautifully mounted in gold, £15 15s.; an entire Set of their beautiful mineral Teeth, finished in the first style, on gold,£21. Arranged on the most approved principles, and restoring perfect articulation and mastication. ………. Perhaps it could be said of an emigrant sailing on an unseaworthy vessel, with rotten teeth, that his barque was worse than his bite? Regards, Tony

Based on what little I know (not much!) of 19th century dentistry, I am inclined to think the toothache could be better than going to the dentist. :-( David E. Cann decann@infionline.net davidecann@gmail.com (alternate) -----Original Message----- From: Gynander@aol.com [mailto:Gynander@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:04 PM To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TSL] Say cheese.... <snip> .... Perhaps it could be said of an emigrant sailing on an unseaworthy vessel, with rotten teeth, that his barque was worse than his bite? Regards, Tony

Hi, Listers: Can anyone tell me about the good ship Cornelia? My gg's and their 8 children arrived in New York on 24 June 1853, having sailed (in steerage) from Liverpool. I'm curious when they left Liverpool, which line the ship belonged to, what kind of sailing ship she was, and any other information about this particular voyage. A picture would be wonderful. TIA, Becky

At 09:03 PM 2006-05-13 +1000, Mokurai wrote: >Hi All, > >I have my family come out to Australia in 1854 onboard the ship FITZJAMES. >Could SKS tell me when this vessel left England and arrived in >Melbourne....and which Port she left from please. Hi Warren, I'll take a stab at this part of your query. I looked on Blaxland.com and found this . . arrival: Fitzjames Source: tsg:542 Origin: Liverpool Destination: 12th Sep 1854 Melbourne tsg:542 Ref: e-57490 . . not sure what the what the Source and Ref: mean, but you could check here http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/plist.htm With an arrival date I then went here . . National Library of Australia _ Australian Periodical Publications http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/ to search the . . The Shipping gazette and Sydney general trade list. http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html Volume 11, Number 542 (25 September, 1854) Page 183 . . . and found just a disappointing bare-bones report :-{ September 12: ......... Fitzjames ; John and Lucy ; Black Warrior, from Liverpool ......... It might be worthwhile to poke around to see if you can learn some more. However, this appears to be your ship http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/com-fi.htm >> The British ship FITZJAMES .... built at Richibucto, New Brunswick, in 1852, by John James Jardine ..... 15 June 1854, first voyage, Liverpool-Melbourne ..... Master: 1853/54-1856/57 - I. Hoyt ...... [belonged to] "Liverpool 'White Star' Line of Australian Packets" [not to be confused with "White Star Line" of Titanic fame] So to properly answer your first question ship FITZJAMES, sailed from Liverpool June 15th 1854 and arrived at Melboune September 12th 1854. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

First time for this. My ggrandfather and his wife and two children made Castle Rock. May, 1871, on the "Abyssynia" out of Liverpool. He came from Nassau, Germany, But we don't know from Where. Is there a means to tracking back from Liverpool to find out how he got there? Thanks for such a helpful means. Cas Endlein

Hi All, I am trying to trace a new family member. I have Austin POWER who was born in Plymouth, England about 1817. He is in the BT98s for 1836 to 1845, in Plymouth. At this time he seemed to come aboard the ship my Thomas POWER had just left and took over from him as the Mate. This happened a number of times. Then in 1844 I found that Thomas had become the Master Mariner of Richard & Ann of Plymouth...and his Mate was Austin. This suggested to me he must be either a brother or some cousin. On the DEVON-L list I was told there were two marriages of Austin POWERs. One was in Plymouth in 1844 and another in Marylebone, London in 1873. I ordered the Plymouth one and found I had a new ancestor. Austin was written down as a Mariner and his father was Mathew POWER, a Mariner. I have Mathew in the earlier Plymouth BT98s and he was born in Waterford, Ireland in about 1787. Doesn't look like I will get back any further with him though. And I have lost him when he is the Master Mariner on the! ship Providence of Plymouth in 1831. That's why I was looking at the 1836-45 years....not a sign of him. OK...I digress.... I was given the 1851 Census in Marylebone, London where Austin and his wife have moved from Plymouth. Austin is the Publican at the Crown Tavern, his wife Harriet BARDENS and his 1 year old son, Alfred. I was given another Austin in London too. He is staying with his Aunty, Elizabeth MANNING, and is 3 years old. I went to the local LDS and found their births in St Catherine's BDM. I now have: Austin William Bardens POWER in the December Quarter in Plymouth v 9, p 370. Alfred Mathew Edwin Manning POWER in the December Quarter in London v 2, p 2.... No one had been able to find the families in the 1861 Census...or 1871, 1881 Census so I am wondering if they may have moved overseas. Could SKS tell me the sites that might have the passenger Lists for Australia, Canada, USA please? Or if there is a way of putting in Austin's name and finding which country/ship he sailed on. Thank you for any help you can give me. Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi). Cattle die, Kinsmen die, But fame is ever lasting.

Hi, My name is Mary and I wanted to know where to find passenger list for my ancestries that came from Ireland to the US between the 1800 and 1900. Surname is Hughes and then they came to Illinois. Can you help me with any ships that came from Ireland? Thank You Mary

The Crescent City - US - Aspinwall, Panama to US - New York - 9 May 1885 Leonhard Dietrich - 28 - 1856 - Germany - New York - Missouri

Still searching for Clark family who according to tradition and census records arrived NYC or perhaps Montreal some time in 1852. Goodhand Clark and family left hamlet of Inch, town of Dunmanway, County Cork, Ireland to follow relatives who had earlier settled in or around Rochester, NY. Goodhand died coming across the pond - His widow, Eleanor Broadfield Clark, born 1813 and following children made the voyage and settled on the Genesee River in town of Caneadea, Allegany Co, NY: Goodhand, born 1825 John Thomas b 1833 Barbara Jane b 1835 or 1837 George b 1839 Catherine b 1842 William b 1844 Ellen b 1847 ELIZA ANNE b 24 Jun 1849 Please contact me at RJThoden@yahoo.com if you have any information on this family. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

----- Original Message ----- From: betty romito To: theshipslist-d@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: destination What route would you take to travel from the port of new york in 1826 to southern Oh Monroe, Co. Betty aber@kiski.net

I'm looking for any information on the Tierney Clan in Ireland. My G/G/G Grandparents are listed on the 4-3-1866 - SS Tripoli manifest # 131 - James Tierney - age: 24 - Country: Ireland and my G/G/G Grandmother # 132 - Mary (Grey) Tierney age: 23 - Country: Ireland. Their parents would have said goodbye to there newly married son and his wife leaving Queenstown to New York - March 20,1866 on the SS Tripoli. Any Help - suggestions - direction would be gratefully appreciated ... Steve Tierney

Hi Carol, Many thanks Carol. Yes, I have now found out a bit more information re stewardesses. A search in Google brought up a few items, including one which stated that the British Government ruled that ships to Australia and New Zealand about 1850ish should carry both doctors and stewardesses. An interesting site. ( ://southstreetseaportmuseum.org/magazine/articles/1996-03.shtm ) Hi Isobel I transcribe ships lists for an Australian site and yes there were stewardesses on board the ships. Carol **************************************************** **************************************************************** This email has been scanned by the Manxnet Mail Plus anti-virus system. http://www.manx.net/mailplus ****************************************************************

Karen Woodworth <karwood@shaw.ca> asked about the birth of Hector Ridout who was born on the Hector on June 5, 1872 but whose birth was registered in Toronto. I can add a little to Sue Swiggum's notes. For 1872 there is also an Ontario immigration manifest available. (Ontario had its own immigration officers at Quebec.) This gives a summary count of people going to various Ont. destinations. About 100 of 150 went to Toronto. The only interesting info is that the Hector was anchored in the river at Quebec and the passengers were taken ashore by tug. There is no reference to the birth on board. The birth registration is quite remarkable (just as Karen described it). The note about the child being born on the Hector on the Banks of Newfoundland is included in the Remarks field, which was usually used for the comment "Informant could not write", although sometimes retroactive changes were noted there. I really wonder why the family went to the trouble of registering the birth in Toronto. Registration was not taken very seriously at that time. It certainly makes for an interesting record. I couldn't find the birth on the British Board of Trade Register which was the usual route to the British Marine Birth Register. However it would be interesting to check the Marine Register as if the birth was registered there, it would be possible to get a British birth certificate as well as the Ontario one. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

on April 29, 2006 10:42 PM Keith Foster I have been lucky enough to obtain my Grand mothers memoirs re her trip Southampton to Panama leaving October 1913. However these bring up a number of queries. The memoirs also cover the trip from Panama to Talara in Peru. 1. Is there a passenger list available as she mentions other passengers by profession rather than name, eg the Danish Ambassador to the West Indies. 2. The ports she mentions leaving Southampton were Cherbourg, Barbados, Port of Spain (took on coal, Cartagena, Colombo then Colon in Panama. Can anyone help me where Colombo is between Cherbourg in Columbia Colon in Panama. Also has anyone any information on the monastery at Cartagena, it is supposedly situated on a high cliff overlooking the ocean. My Grand Father had made the same journey in June 1913. Did the Oruba leave Southampton in June for Panama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, there should be surviving outbound passenger lists at the National Archives in Kew (but these are not microfilmed, and personal or a hired researcher would be necessary). The relevant references for outbound Southampton passenger lists for 1913 are: BT 27/823 - June BT 27/825 and 826 - October David Asprey

on April 30, 2006 8:36 PM Caroline Holder wrote My request for help is for websites: there are plenty to search for US/Canadian/Italian migration, but little that I can find about people travelling to and from Buenos Aires during WWI and just after. I don't have names, unfortunately, but please don't give up on me yet, this is my reasoning: I've read a wonderful book about growing up in Patagonia (Mollie Robertson: The Sand, the Wind & the Sierras, Days in Patagonia, published 1964), and my project for the last 6 months has been to try to find out more about her. Robertson is her married name, she never wrote another book, and can't possibly be alive, unless she's well over 100. The book gives very few clues, except that her father was already working in Patagonia when she and her mother travelled alone by ship to Buenos Aires ("just when submarines were becoming a very real danger", she says) perhaps therefore in 1915? About 7 years later they returned also by ship, this time with father too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't seen any replies. I suggest that you post your interest on South-Am-Emi list where there is a strong and knowledgeable Argentine contingent. see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/SOUTH-AM-EMI.html David Asprey

From the Montreal Star of May 18, 1910 Has Kroonland's Passengers Southampton, May 18.--The steamer Adriatic sailed for New York to-day, having on board the first class passengers transferred from the crippled Kroonland, which put in here on Monday. The Kroonland broke a shaft after sailing from Antwerp on Saturday. Regards.. Marj

From the Montreal Star, May 16, 1910 this item about passengers of the Empress of Ireland: Immigrants's Sad Plight Young Children Developed Diphtheria on Way West North Bay, Ont., May 16.--A special train carrying about six passengers from the steamship Empress of Ireland for the west arrived here Saturday afternoon. Two cars for Minneapolis were taken off, and while being coupled on the Soo express Sunday morning two cases of diphtheria were found in one of the cars, a girl of six, and her baby sister of three years of age. The car, which contained over sixty passengers was immediately sidetracked. After waiting all day, cooped up in the hot stuffy car the patients were removed to a building near the stock yeards while the rest of the passengers were placed under quarantine in the car. It is reported that the mother of the two patients and another sister were detained at Quebec on account of illness. Regards.. Marj

I have researched the emigration/immigration of women and found that in the 1830s they put what they called "matrons" on board ship with the female passengers. Regards.. Marj At 02:55 AM 5/10/2006, isobel Jones wrote: > > Sue Given wrote 9th May 2006 > > ' I didn't think that they had stewardesses on ships in the > 1800s. As the captain/master and the ship was the same on both voyages > is it possible that the stewardess was a relative, or did they actually > exist. I thought back then men went to sea and only females on board > were the wives/families.' > > I was very surprised to read in a letter I have, a reference to 'the > stewardess', on a Merchant ship in the late 1850s. I had not previously > expected that a stewardess would be onboard at this time. > > Isobel Jones > > > >**************************************************************** >This email has been scanned by the Manxnet Mail Plus anti-virus system. >http://www.manx.net/mailplus >**************************************************************** > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*