Hi Janet, At 10:25 AM 2006-05-15 -0400, J.Spangler wrote: >Was it unusual for a birth at sea not to be recorded ? It was more unusual to find a regular accounting of birth at sea. I'm not aware of Germen regulations, but British ships were required to report all births, marriages and deaths to the Board of Trade, but not as early as 1844 (I think that was 1854?). Some captains or pursers were terrific and added wonderful reports of BMD on the passenger list itself, but most added just bare-bones notes, if at all. > A passenger list from the Ship Agnes begins " We left Bremen the 28th > July 1844 with 229 passengers" it ends with "I certify that the annexed > list of passengers in number 229." Port of Baltimore August 31st.1844. > >A Baptism certificate I have states Catherine born August 19th.1844 >baptised 15th.Sept.1844 in Baltimore. >She had to been born on-board ship, but why would the list not have the >birth ? >Janet If you take a close look at the passenger list you will see that the youngest child indicated is 1 1/2 years old. Infants were carried completely free in those days, and as the lists were used more for accounting purposes rather than immigration requirements, infants' names were often excluded from the lists. The sailing vessels were regulated to how many "adult freights" they could carry per ton. Children were calculated on a sliding scale, which varied by shipping line, nationality of ship and by the period in which they sailed. You might find this amusing report interesting. It regards a ship from England to Quebec in 1843, but it does help to illustrate what I am attempting to explain. :-} http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/janeduffus1843.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Sue, Hokitika is port on the West Coast of the South Island of New Zealand. There were many gold mining locations all along the coast which followed the rush to Otago, which in turn followed the rushes to Australia. My grandfather was born at Stafford, very close to Hokitika but there is little other tan a cemetery at Stafford now. Cheers Peter Strauss Melbourne Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Given" <suegiven@vti.com.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: [TSL] Stowaways/born at sea/died at sea/deserters/fischarged/drowned > HI, > Found this on the following site > > Go to > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ > > and then click on search. > > When the search box comes up, type in stowaway, and you get 300 ships that > arrived in Sydney with stowaways on board. The first 3 ships I looked at > came from Liverpool, Auckland and Hokitiki (wherever that is). There is > ships information and date of arrival. > > If you go to back and type in "born at sea" using inverted commas you get > 13 hits. Most of them are crew whose nation was 'born at sea'. However, > you do get some children born at sea, such as a child named infant > Delaney. His/her parents and 2 siblings were one the ship "Jeanie Dove" > which arrived in Sydney from Port of OVALAU? in 1860. > > Again, type in "died at sea" and you get 38 hits. The first ship. the > AMHERST OF SYDNEY, WM LEE, MASTER, BURTHEN 171 TONS, FROM THE SOUTH SEAS > TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 21ST DECEMBER 1860 > lost 4 crew members on the voyage. > > type in "death at sea" and you get some more, then try deserters, then > discharged and then drowned and get more results. > > You can also type in a place e.g. "St Helens" and it will tell you what > crew members came from there. > > Could make interesting reading for someone who has lost someone. > > It is a great site for NSW ships arrivals. It comes up with names, ships, > captains and other stuff. Just remember though, if you put in more than > one word use "...", otherwise it will pick up every word. Using "...", it > will pick up the words together, just like it would in google. > > Please pass this on to any other list that may have an interest. > > Thanks > > Sue in Australia > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* A PLACE TO START *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Passenger Lists on The Internet > http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >

Hi I am looking for information about the SS Mediator. I am living in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles and the wreck of the SS Mediator is located in the harbor here. The ship sunk after a collision with the SS Thuringia in 1884. According to the shipsList the ship has been built in 1872 and started its life under the name Dahlia. It was bought in 1876 from Groves, Ferguson & Co by Thos. & Jas. Harrison. That is all the information I could find about this ship on the Internet. I life on a small island so I don't have access to large libraries with information about historic ships. I am looking for information because I am part of the group of divers that is is trying to clean up the ship and conserve it for the future. Any information about this ship is welcome especially information about its last voyage and plans of the ship. Regards John Dohmen

Hi List, I am hoping to find additional details (in addition to what is listed on the Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters website) on the 1863 voyage of the Orwell from London to Sydney, New South Wales. Amonst the ship's crew was a Joseph STAFFORD (aged 22) from Great Britain. He may have been my 2xgreat-grandfather and I am looking for further details of the voyage and anything which might help me to decide whether this is the right Joseph Stafford or not as there were a couple of sailors with that name in Australian waters about that time. "My" Joseph was living in Brisbane by the middle of 1866 and may have been married (although no official record exists) at Nambucca (Heads) in May 1864 to Bridget O'NEILL/CUSACK. I am not sure about the marriage location, but my reading tells me that by the 1860s there were ships being built at Nambucca because of the ready access to timber. So, this does not seem unreasonable as Joseph was associated with the shipping industry in one capacity or another for his entire life. Does anyone know about the ship building conducted at Nambucca? Any thoughts? With thanks, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurches/index.html

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HI, Found this on the following site Go to http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ and then click on search. When the search box comes up, type in stowaway, and you get 300 ships that arrived in Sydney with stowaways on board. The first 3 ships I looked at came from Liverpool, Auckland and Hokitiki (wherever that is). There is ships information and date of arrival. If you go to back and type in "born at sea" using inverted commas you get 13 hits. Most of them are crew whose nation was 'born at sea'. However, you do get some children born at sea, such as a child named infant Delaney. His/her parents and 2 siblings were one the ship "Jeanie Dove" which arrived in Sydney from Port of OVALAU? in 1860. Again, type in "died at sea" and you get 38 hits. The first ship. the AMHERST OF SYDNEY, WM LEE, MASTER, BURTHEN 171 TONS, FROM THE SOUTH SEAS TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 21ST DECEMBER 1860 lost 4 crew members on the voyage. type in "death at sea" and you get some more, then try deserters, then discharged and then drowned and get more results. You can also type in a place e.g. "St Helens" and it will tell you what crew members came from there. Could make interesting reading for someone who has lost someone. It is a great site for NSW ships arrivals. It comes up with names, ships, captains and other stuff. Just remember though, if you put in more than one word use "...", otherwise it will pick up every word. Using "...", it will pick up the words together, just like it would in google. Please pass this on to any other list that may have an interest. Thanks Sue in Australia

I'm looking for information regarding the ship Lemuel Dyer. My ancestor Anton Hund age 42 of Baden, Germany, landed in New Orleans on Dec. 31, 1859. He, his wife Fanny, age 44, and children, M. Anna 10, George 9; Anton 5; Fanny 2 and Barbara 3/4, were taken to Custom House Room 219 2nd floor. The Hund family was from Stadelhofen, south of Baden Baden. I've had no luck finding what type ship etc. other than she sailed from Le Harve to New Orleans. Thanks for any info at all. Tom

Was it unusual for a birth at sea not to be recorded ? A passenger list from the Ship Agnes begins " We left Bremen the 28th July 1844 with 229 passengers" it ends with "I certify that the annexed list of passengers in number 229." Port of Baltimore August 31st.1844. A Baptism certificate I have states Catherine born August 19th.1844 baptised 15th.Sept.1844 in Baltimore. She had to been born on-board ship, but why would the list not have the birth ? Janet

Hi Chuck, This was the RYNDAM built 1901 Details at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsR.html regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Mallette" <cmmallette@sbcglobal.net> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [TSL] World War I Troopship ....... > Hi, > > Several years ago I needed troopship pictures and vessel vital > statistics, and I received all sorts of help. > > This time, it's about the troopships that my father sailed in during > World War I. I found his ride home just fine, but I am having trouble > getting him to France. > > The vessel to get him to France was the USS Ryndan, leaving New York on > May 9, 1918 and arriving at Brest, France, on May 23, 1918. The Ryndan's > history was a bit different. It had been a Dutch freighter, acquired by > the U. S. Government and converted into a troop carrier. The spelling of > Ryndan is directly from his Memiors, and now there is no one to verify > that. > > I would appreciate any suggestions and being pointed in the right > direction.... > > Chuck > > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > TheShipsList Searchable Archives Database > http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/by+date > TheShipsList RootsWeb Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TheShipsList/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > >

Hello Chuck, I didn't think the Ryndam had been a freighter; at 12500 tons it was a good sized liner for its time. The Rijndam should be spelt Ryndam as that was how Harland & Wolff put the name in copper letters on her bows and stern. However, although this was never amended it is evident that Rijndam was the intended version. During World War 1 the name Rijndam was painted in large white letters on both sides of the hull. Regards Don www.shiphistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Mallette" <cmmallette@sbcglobal.net> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [TSL] World War I Troopship ....... > Hi, > > Several years ago I needed troopship pictures and vessel vital > statistics, and I received all sorts of help. > > This time, it's about the troopships that my father sailed in during > World War I. I found his ride home just fine, but I am having trouble > getting him to France. > > The vessel to get him to France was the USS Ryndan, leaving New York on > May 9, 1918 and arriving at Brest, France, on May 23, 1918. The Ryndan's > history was a bit different. It had been a Dutch freighter, acquired by > the U. S. Government and converted into a troop carrier. The spelling of > Ryndan is directly from his Memiors, and now there is no one to verify > that. > > I would appreciate any suggestions and being pointed in the right > direction.... > > Chuck

Hi, Several years ago I needed troopship pictures and vessel vital statistics, and I received all sorts of help. This time, it's about the troopships that my father sailed in during World War I. I found his ride home just fine, but I am having trouble getting him to France. The vessel to get him to France was the USS Ryndan, leaving New York on May 9, 1918 and arriving at Brest, France, on May 23, 1918. The Ryndan's history was a bit different. It had been a Dutch freighter, acquired by the U. S. Government and converted into a troop carrier. The spelling of Ryndan is directly from his Memiors, and now there is no one to verify that. I would appreciate any suggestions and being pointed in the right direction.... Chuck

I am looking for information on the Ship Chancellor. I have a family member John Henry Nixon that was aboard the ship. Does anyone have any information on this ship or pictures. Linda Dunning Stinson When there was only one set of footprints I carried you. ICQ # 162656556 Researching the following line STINSON, EMORY,WHITE ,Oldham, Reynolds, BRUCE, EST ES, KINNAMON,HYATT, FEATHERS, HAMMONDS,MILLER CROFT,MANAK, MENSER, BROKOFSKY,FOYTASEK,CROFTS,VACLAVIKOVA,KELAREK,KRENEK,SCHILLER,AND DUNNING

My family name is Hansen but they changed it to the farm they had named Øverbymoen nordre (North Øverbymoen). Is there any way of knowing which port he came to the US from. I am also trying to see about there immigration papers as well. Hans name was changed and then again after they came to US because ethey spelled it Running. Is there a picture of the farm in the census I could get and an exact location of the farm. Lori

I am trying to find some record of a ship "Gift of God", which one source quite a long time ago said, brought immigrants to this side of the Atlantic. The only record I have found of this ship, anywhere, is in the 1930 publication "Pioneers On Maine Rivers", 1607 and later. My original ancestor, Joshua Proctor is said by that one source to have come from England on that ship circa 1650. I have contacted most known museums, mariner/ship locations, etc. looking for a record of this ship with no luck. Does ANYONE have a idea or suggestion as to where to find a record of this long ago ship? Thanks for ANY help? Bettye---pepperjaq@comcast.net

Ho Lori, At 10:06 PM 2006-05-13 -0400, Tracygwbush9@aol.com wrote: >Hans Hansen sailed from Oslo on SS Angelo headed for Menomonie , Dunn >County, Wisconsin. Sept 23, 1881 fro Oslo, Norway. The Norwegian Digitalarkivet confims this information http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?spraak=e 1881 Sept. 23 Hans Hansen m u Arb. 23 Tyldalen Menamonee 223 Norge Betalt Angelo >I am not sure of the port here I do know they lived in Wisconsin. I also >know that Hans named was also Ronninger which was the name of Hans >Father. So I >do not know which name he came here with. It was changed. He probably arrived as Hans Hansen . . . literally Hans, son of Hans. I wondered if the Ronninger might be a form of the "Farm Name." I found Ronningen farms, but not in Hedmark. This appears to be his family in the 1865 census 1865-telling for 0437 Tønset District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Remarks (farm) Title 3 1 17 Søndre Tyldal Tyldal Tønset Øverbymoen nordre 50 1 Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Cattle Sheep Mixed grain 16 16 1 Hans Hans. Husfader Selveier g 41 m Sel Gudbrandsdal 1 1 3/16 17 17 Sigri Iversd. hans Kone g 34 k Tyldalen 18 18 Iver Hans. deres Søn ug 14 m Sel Gudbrandsdal 19 19 Ingeborg Hansd. deres Datter ug 11 k Tyldalen 20 20 Hans Hans. deres Søn ug 9 m Tyldalen 21 21 Sigri Hansd. deres Datter ug 3 k Tyldalen . . .the farm name is Øverbymoen nordre (North Øverbymoen) >I do not know if anyone else came to the USA with him. I think he did have >children but they came when his wife came later. He was unmarried when he emigrated ' u ' = ugift = unmarried. The digitalarkivet entry doesn't indicate that he travelled with anyone else. >Hans Hansen was born DEC. 24, 1857 in Tylldal, Tynset, Hedmark, Norway. He >settled in Monomonie, Dunn County, Wisconsin. He was 23 or 24 when he came >to >USA. > I was told this was the name of the ship. I would like to know the port of >entry and if there are pictures of the ship. > >Lori ANGELO was a Wilson Line "feeder ship" which sailed from Christiania (Oslo) to Hull, England. He would have arrived at Hull on September 26th. From there he would have taken the train to Liverpool to embark on a transatlantic ship to North America. He would have arrived in North America about 2 weeks +/- after the September 23rd emigration date. He may have arrived via Quebec, Canada, or via a US port. These are the connecting ships for the ANGELO Sept. 23rd departure http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=1148 . . those with the 'arrow' in the left column are confirmed by telegraph to have carried ANGELO passengers on the September 23rd trip to Hull. Here is an engraving from the Illustrated London News, of ANGELO . . I added the < > to make it clickable. <http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=10&text=&imageid=31&box=&shownew=> Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@exemail.com.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: [TSL] Ship Fitzjames. > I have my family come out to Australia in 1854 onboard > the ship FITZJAMES. Could SKS tell me when this vessel > left England and arrived in Melbourne....and which Port > she left from please. Hi Warren There is a large book to be found in many libraries .......... Am sure would be in Ballarat Library ........... Arrivals & Departures Victorian ports from abt 1848 I think to - 1855 Also worth checking would be the 3 volumes of the ' Log of Log' books that would more than likely be on the same shelf as the other book bye MargM Member of Central Coast Family History Society Gosford NSW

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for May 2006 is . . . o Pictures: o View of Québec from Lévis ca. 1880-1890 A super photograph of Quebec City taken from across the St. Lawrence River, from Pointe Lévis. Both places were where ships arrived at Quebec City. After the advent of railway, immigrants might arrive at Quebec City, then ferry across the river to board the trains west (& east) and south. o Passengers: o New Swiftsure - 1st trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 23rd April 1824 o New Swiftsure - 2nd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 30th April 1824 o New Swiftsure - 3rd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 7th May 1824 o New Swiftsure - 4th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 14th May 1824 o New Swiftsure - 5th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 21st May 1824 o barque Constance, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 5th November 1849 o ship Duke of Wellington, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 8th November 1849 o barque Himalaya, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 17th November 1849 o barque Ascendant, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 21st November 1849 o ship Harry Lorrequer, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 26th December 1849 The first five lists for steamboat New Swiftsure in 1824 and the last five passenger lists for assisted passengers from England to Adelaide for the year 1849. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hans Hansen sailed from Oslo on SS Angelo headed for Menomonie , Dunn County, Wisconsin. Sept 23, 1881 fro Oslo, Norway. I am not sure of the port here I do know they lived in Wisconsin. I also know that Hans named was also Ronninger which was the name of Hans Father. So I do not know which name he came here with. It was changed. I do not know if anyone else came to the USA with him. I think he did have children but they came when his wife came later. Hans Hansen was born DEC. 24, 1857 in Tylldal, Tynset, Hedmark, Norway. He settled in Monomonie, Dunn County, Wisconsin. He was 23 or 24 when he came to USA. I was told this was the name of the ship. I would like to know the port of entry and if there are pictures of the ship. Lori

Hi All, I have my family come out to Australia in 1854 onboard the ship FITZJAMES. Could SKS tell me when this vessel left England and arrived in Melbourne....and which Port she left from please. Also....this was not a happy move as one of the twins died in transit, and the other one died the following year age two. Then mother died the year after that. I am now about to hunt out where Justina, Austin Jnr, and Alfred moved to around the State, and then interstate. I have been told Austin may have died in Granville and Alfred in Burwood...both in NSW so will have to follow those up to find out if they are family. My second question, if I may, is whether Austin Snr returned back to England...and if so whether it was before 1873 as there is a marriage that year back in Marylebone, London of an Austin. Also whether Justina returned with him. Thank you for any assistance you can give me with this. Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi). Cattle die, Kinsmen die, But fame is ever lasting.

Hi Ouraddition, welcome aboard My suggestion is to post once more to the list, but this time with an appropriate Subject line, as that is your "headline" to grab the most attention from the listers who may be able to help you. Also, in the body of the email include all the details known to you . . . year / dates (or time frame) and full names, ages of those you are looking for. Where they'd formerly resided and where they intended to settle. Sometimes the smallest detail might hold the clue :-} Sue -- At 06:16 PM 2006-05-13 -0400, Ouraddition@aol.com wrote: >I am new to this, so I hope I am doing this right. I would like to know if >any one knows of ships lists that deal with Rhode Island. I am looking for >ships that came from Liverpool, to Rhode Island. > >Thank you... _ouraddition@aol.com_ (mailto:ouraddition@aol.com)