Hi there You've probably tried this before but I thought I'd mention www.ingeneas.com. I went searching there and there are a couple of Patrick Mahers - not sure they would be your relative though. There are some Patrick Maguires that might fit. There is a Thomas Maghar in the census (not as a passenger record). http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html Harrington reveals a lot of names - it may take you a while to try to match the two together. I hope you are successful. Kathy Miller ON Canada From: Janet Prata Date: 05/21/06 10:04:57 To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TSL] PATRICK MAGHAR, & ? HARRINGTON - Ireland to Montreal My ancestor (great/great/grandfather) was named Patrick Maghar (or Patrick Maher) and came to Montreal anywhere from 1826 to 1846 (although most likely on the earlier end of that time frame). Patrick Maghar was from Tipperary, Tipperary County Ireland. He travelled with an Uncle, whose name was HARRINGTON (I'm assuming that's his last name-- we have no first name). Eventually Patrick travelled down to New York State, and settled in Monticello, NY, sometime before 1849. Does anyone know of passenger lists of ships traveling from Ireland to Canada at that time? Does anyone know what departure ports were commonly used in Ireland at that time? (Especially for someone from Tipperary)? Also, was Montreal a common port of arrival at that time? I am reading that Canada does not have good records of passenger lists at that time, and I have had difficulty finding lists of ships leaving ports in Ireland, bound for Canada. I'm still hopeful though! Thanks VERY much, Janet

----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Miller To: mailto:TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: SARDINIAN ALLAN LINE OCT 30 1899 QUEBEC > LIVERPOOL > CAPETOWN S.A. Looking for any information on my grandfather Frederick Croft, age 23 who sailed from Quebec to Liverpool and perhaps elsewhere on its way to Capetown, South Africa for the 2nd Boer War October 30, 1899 If anyone has a passenger list I am interested in his birthplace. This is my first posting in years and I see by the welcome email many of you do research, go to libraries, etc. I don't want anyone to go to such trouble! I just thought someone might have the list already. Many thanks Kathy Miller ON, Canada

Is there a way to find a passenger on a ship from England in the 1600's easier than going thru all of the ships? The passenger was coming to Delaware and I am certain he landed in Lewes first. His last name was Coverdale. There are two listed, Richard and David, but I think (?) that Richard is David's son. They are listed as having to pay land tax in Delaware. Delores dcj@dmv.com

On 21 May 2006 at 10:04, Janet Prata wrote: > Does anyone know of passenger lists of ships traveling from > Ireland to Canada at that time? 1826-1846 is a challenging time frame. If you extend your search one more year (1847) here's an idea for you. There are some passenger lists which were kept by shipping agents in the originating country. For example, the Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents gives sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia PA, Quebec, and St. John New Brunswick from 1847 to 1871. Olive Tree has some passenger lists from these records online, and will be adding more as time permits. For an index of clickable links to those JJ Cooke passenger lists online to date, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtml The Hawke Papers, letterbooks of Chief Emigrant Agent Anthony B. Hawke are also available. They cover the years 1831 to 1892. See the searchable database at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm If you want to search online, you may have limited success because only a very small percentage of ships to Canada have been transcribed and put online. You can also check out the pages for ships passenger lists to the following parts of Canada: Ships Passenger Lists to Quebec http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_ships.shtml Ships Passenger Lists to New Brunswick http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nb_ships.shtml Ships Passenger Lists to Nova Scotia http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ns_ships.shtml Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

My ancestor (great/great/grandfather) was named Patrick Maghar (or Patrick Maher) and came to Montreal anywhere from 1826 to 1846 (although most likely on the earlier end of that time frame). Patrick Maghar was from Tipperary, Tipperary County Ireland. He travelled with an Uncle, whose name was HARRINGTON (I'm assuming that's his last name-- we have no first name). Eventually Patrick travelled down to New York State, and settled in Monticello, NY, sometime before 1849. Does anyone know of passenger lists of ships traveling from Ireland to Canada at that time? Does anyone know what departure ports were commonly used in Ireland at that time? (Especially for someone from Tipperary)? Also, was Montreal a common port of arrival at that time? I am reading that Canada does not have good records of passenger lists at that time, and I have had difficulty finding lists of ships leaving ports in Ireland, bound for Canada. I'm still hopeful though! Thanks VERY much, Janet

Many thanks for the replies to my questions re the Zelos and Concordia. Much Appreciated. Debbie

Hi Folks On my grandfather's (James Allen) Declarartion of Intention he clearly states he arrived in the US from Liverpool on the Adriatic on or about June 4, 1914. He states he was an electrician and born in Plymouth, England on 10-9-1883. BUT...he is not on the ships passenger list nor are there any records on him being born in England. Any hints on where else I might look??? Thanks so much Beth Leney Reseraching Allen-Mucci-Crowther-Gooder-LaMaita On Ice Marketing, Inc. d/b/a HockeyKnowItAll.com d/b/a SoccerKnowItAll.com 44 Wycliffe Rd East Walpole, MA 02032 508-660-5480 Fax 508-668-5663 bleney@onicemarketing.com

There is a list of North Atlantic passenger ship sinkings at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/nalosses.htm It includes a DEUTSCHLAND but she was wrecked in 1875. The other DEUTSCHLAND built 1924 was sunk by Allied air attack in 1945 off Lubeck. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <WINCHIME20005@aol.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:34 AM Subject: [TSL] Deutschland >I am looking for my grandfather who went on a ship supposedely called > Deutschland and it sank never heard from him . His name is Andrew > Zgraggen might be under Cgracgen. He was born in Switzerland and came > to America not sure of the year. I do know that he left WI in 1934-35 > to go back to Switzerland. I hope you can help me find info about the > passenger ship. Thank-You Kindly, My E-Mail address is > WINCHIME20005@aol.com Any ifo would gladly be appricated. The > Grandaughter . > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

My Great Uncle sailed on both ships and I am trying to locate information on both. I have a photo on him aboard the Zelos . The lifebuoy in the photo says Zelos Goteborg. Another photo on board the Concordia was taken in 1901. I know the Concordia ran aground in Australian waters and was towed to Australia then sold. My Uncle was Swedish and immigrated to Australia after the Concordia's grounding. Thanking you. Debbie

I am looking for the ship Hans Hansen came to USA from Norway. I do know he left Oslo Norway on the SS Angelo and came to Hull England Sept 23, 1881. I was told he then would have gone to London to take the next ship to USA. I would like to know what ship and what port he came to in the USA. He lived in Wisconsin. I would have to guess he went to Canada then to US. He was 23 years old when he left. I do know that some of them took the farm name which was Ronningen. Some of the family did change there name to the English spelling of Running. Thanks Lori

I am looking for my grandfather who went on a ship supposedely called Deutschland and it sank never heard from him . His name is Andrew Zgraggen might be under Cgracgen. He was born in Switzerland and came to America not sure of the year. I do know that he left WI in 1934-35 to go back to Switzerland. I hope you can help me find info about the passenger ship. Thank-You Kindly, My E-Mail address is WINCHIME20005@aol.com Any ifo would gladly be appricated. The Grandaughter .

Hi Joan, At 05:03 AM 2006-05-20 -0400, JPIPICH@aol.com wrote: >Hi List, > >I have a List or Manifest of all the passengers taken board on the SS >HOLLAND. London to USA. In November 1872. The Master was John G. >Bragg. My 4th >great grandfather, Thomas Buckle, his wife and infant daughter Emily were >aboard. How can I find the US arrival port? Also where can I find >a picture of the >SS HOLLAND? Any info appreciated. > >Thanks so much! > >Joan The port of arrival was New York, NY :-} Name: Thos Buckle Arrival Date: 18 Nov 1872 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Age: 26 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Le Havre, France and London, England Destination: United States of America Place of Origin: England Ship Name: Holland Port of Arrival: New York I expect it was the National Line ship HOLLAND ex- Hudson ex- Louisiana http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/national.html#Louisiana Find her description and voyage history here LOUISIANA / HUDSON / HOLLAND 1858 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsL.html Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Joan (JPIPICH@aol.com) asked: 1) about the arrival of the SS Holland in 1872 2) how her ancestors got to Pittsburgh. 1) Here is the arrival report (New York Times, November 18, 1872) Arrived New York November 17 Steam-ship Holland (Br.,) [captain] Bragg, London Oct. 31 and Havre Nov. 4 with mdse. and 789 steerage passengers to [agent] F. W. J. Hurst. Has had strong westerly winds the entire passage. Nov. 8, lat 50 43 lon 20 34 passed a German ship bound E., 9th lat 50 38 lon 26 16 passed a Bremen steamer bound E., 15th lat 42 33 lon 63 18 passed a Gu..n [Guion?] steamer bound E. Conditions on the Holland (a small ship by modern standards) must have been awful with 789 passengers. 2) In 1872, I would expect passengers for Pittsburgh to take the train. In earlier days, immigrants might have travelled by New Orleans and the Mississippi steamboats, or by Quebec and the Great Lakes route. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

on May 18, 2006 12:55 PM Beth Leney wrote Would anyone have the passenger list for the Adriatic which left Liverpool to New York and landed June 4 0r 5, 1914. My grandfather was on this ship but under a "assumed name" and I need the complete passenger list to see if I can identify him. >>>>>>>>>>> The full list is available on-line for you to browse through. Access via http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/mm.htm Enter: Series T715, Roll 2330, Frames are from 121-238 Probably best to start at frame 238 and work back as the manifest pages are in reverse order. Good luck David

Hello Listers I am seeking death of George FLEMING born 1840, married 1863, Tynemouth NBL. He was a Mariner. His father John was a Shipwright. Can SKS suggest my next move to trace a Mariner and Shipwright...please. Thanking you. Regards, Mary shortis@nnsw.quik.com.au

Hi Debbie, CONCORDIA 423 gross tons, built 1891 by Burmeister & Wain, Copenhagen as the NORDSØEN for J. Lauritzen, Esbjerg, Denmark. 1899 sold to Rederi A/B Concordia (G. H. Witt), Helsingborg, Sweden renamed CONCORDIA. 5th Nov.1906 sank in the North Sea on voyage Burry Port, S. Wales to Halmstad with coal. ZELOS 1,706 gross tons, built 1884 by Schlesinger, Davis & Co, Newcastle as the CYMMRODORION for Jones & Thomas, Cardiff. 1900 sold to Rederi A/B Nike (W. R. B. Lundgren), Goteborg, Sweden renamed ZELOS. 1912 sold to Erik A. Brodin, Stockholm. 1937 sold to Finland renamed ZILOS. 1949 renamed ULEA, 1952 scrapped Antwerp at 68 years of age! regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Dixon" <dmdixon@optusnet.com.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: [TSL] Looking for ships Zelos and Concordia > My Great Uncle sailed on both ships and I am trying to locate information > on > both. > > I have a photo on him aboard the Zelos . The lifebuoy in the photo says > Zelos Goteborg. > > Another photo on board the Concordia was taken in 1901. > > I know the Concordia ran aground in Australian waters and was towed to > Australia then sold. > > My Uncle was Swedish and immigrated to Australia after the Concordia's > grounding. > > Thanking you. > > Debbie > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

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In December, Ted answered my query about the SS Holland. Thank you Ted! However from his references I could not find the port it arrived at in November 1872. I assume it was New York - Castle Garden. I have many ancestors who came to the US and arrived in New York but their destination was Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. What mode of transportation would they use to arrive in Allegheny County? Any information or reference appreciated. Joan Researching: BARTKO, BROWN, BUCKELL, BULGER, BUYNA, DEKANIC, FERGUSON, HILL, HRICIK, LADY, PIPICH, POTERIE, STRATIGOS, SULLIVAN, RANKIN, WEAVER ( USA, AUSTRALIA, CROATIA, GREECE, SLOVAKIA, IRELAND, ENGLAND)

This Steamship was used during the Civil War. After the war it was sold and renamed the Cresent City. I believe it was then used for cargo and passengers. Aspinwall, Panama is on the east side of Panama. Here they picked up Travelers going points east. I'm not sure of any other ports that it stopped at. I do know that it did go to New York. If any body knows about the routes and ports it could have stopped I would be most appreciative. On a Passenger lists its says Port of departure-Aspinwall, Panama and Destination-Place of origin Paul ( ? ) Port of arrival New York, New York. Thanks Daniel Dietrich -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 555 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Left from London,England after the 1861 Census for either Australia or New Zealand and turned up in Wellington in late 1865.Can anyone assist with any info at all about this passenger.He would have been around 17-18 yo when he left England to the Colony's.Cheers,Wayne.