I wish to renew my search for the passenger list and ship for unassisted migration to Melbourne Australia for D. O'Donovan who left England and landed in Melbourne Australia around March 1866. Any assistance would be appreciated in finding this list, or ship. Graham Godfrey

On 26 May 2006 at 6:00, Kimberly Prell Clark wrote: > More About AUGUST FRIEDRICH WILHELM PRELL: Immigration: Abt. > 1852, New York I just noticed your place of arrival (NY). So here's a better answer than my last one :-) You might want to check the free online project to fill in the 1847-1892 index gap for passenger arrival records in New York. This project consists of 3 sets of records: 1. NY Times extracts for ship arrivals and passenger names 2. Images (and some accompanying transcripts) of actual passenger lists in this time period 3. NY Almshouse records for 1855-1858 (contains year of arrival and ship name) The complete index of NY Times years and shipping news extracts is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/nytimes.htm Images of ships passenger lists for these Unindexed NY years are online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ The Almshouse Records start at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm Also check online ships and links to ships in this time period starting att http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny182549.shtml Also try Steve Morse's one steps for Castle Garden and earlier, at http://www.stevemorse.org/ Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

On 26 May 2006 at 6:00, Kimberly Prell Clark wrote: > I am also finding that the emigration records do not list > the ship that these grandparents arrived on in 1853 so I am > once again wondering how to find that information. you can search microfilms. Most states are indexed, so this will make your job slightly easier. You can order films in to a nearby Family History Centre, or have NARA do the job (once you have precise details) Once you know your state, you can get a list of film numbers (NARA & FHC) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nara_indexbyport.shtml Scroll down to the state you want and click on the link, then find the film # you need The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee but you must know the name of the ship, the date of arrival, and the port of arrival. To obtain a search request form, write to: General Reference Branch (NNRG), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408 and request NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. To find your nearest FHC you can go to http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp There are some ideas for researching hard to find ancestors on ships lists after 1820 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/usaaft1820.shtml Good luck! Lorine --New Databases online http://olivetreegenealogy.com/freedata.shtml

I have finally gotten birthplace information regarding my Prell line and am thrilled that decade old brick wall is scaled!!! Earlier this week I received information from another source that my great grandfather, August Friederich Wilhelm Prell was born in Bagemuehl, Prussia. In researching this line I finally stumbled on the Brandenburg Emigration Records on Ancestry.com. I have found that the emigration records are listed with my 2nd great grandfather as Heinrich Wilhelm Prell and not Frederick or Friederich as he is listed on several census schedules. Heinrich/Friederich is found on the Emigration records with the rest of his family. I am also finding that the emigration records do not list the ship that these grandparents arrived on in 1853 so I am once again wondering how to find that information. Heinrich Prell was born in 1821, August born in 1842. Naturally it is another hard road to cross! Is there someone who can guide me to more records for Brandenburg, I'm not fi! nding much at all on the internet. I assume that by looking at an old map and finding Bagemuehl on a map SW of Berlin and Prenzlau near the border that Prenzlau is the city or harbor that they left from. Any forward guidance on this would be greatly appreciated. I haven't had the chance to go to the Genealogy Library here in Kansas City but would appreciate names of books or perhaps microfilm that can be ordered for Brandenburg records. Below is the information I have on this line including the newest from this week. Also, if any corrections are needed for correct place names please let me know. Thanks In Advance, Kim Clark KCMO Descendants of Friederich Heinrich Wilhelm Prell Generation No. 1 1. FRIEDERICH HEINRICH WILHELM2 PRELL (UNKNOWN1) was born 17 Feb 1821 in Preussen, and died 20 May 1871 in Mt. Clemens, Macomb Co, Michigan. He married MARIA DOROTHEE LOESICKE/LOESCHKE Bef. 1842, daughter of MICHAEL LOESICKE/LOESCHKE and DORA RING. She was born 17 Mar 1815 in Stuttgart, Germany or Prussia, and died 30 Oct 1900 in Mt. Clemens, Macomb Co, Michigan. More About FRIEDERICH HEINRICH WILHELM PRELL: Emigration: 1853, Bagemuehl/Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia to America Residence: 1870, Shelby, Macomb, Michigan More About MARIA DOROTHEE LOESICKE/LOESCHKE: Burial: 03 Nov 1900, Clinton Grove Cemetery, Macomb Co, Michigan More About FRIEDERICH PRELL and MARIA LOESICKE/LOESCHKE: Marriage: Bef. 1842 Children of FRIEDERICH PRELL and MARIA LOESICKE/LOESCHKE are: i. AUGUST FRIEDRICH WILHELM3 PRELL, b. 24 Jun 1842, Bagemuehl, Ueckermund, Brandenburg, Preussen; d. 30 Oct 1904, Burt, Michigan; m. (1) IDA ROSE, Bet. 1864 - 1865, Michigan; b. Bet. 1845 - 1846, Saxony, Germany; d. Mar 1876, Rising City, Butler Co, Nebraska, Pleasant Cemetery; m. (2) HENRIETTA SCHUMOLDT, 1877, Rising City, Polk Co, Nebraska; b. 11 Nov 1845, Wildenow, Fredericksburg, Germany; d. 10 Jan 1937, Rising City, Butler Co, Nebraska, Pleasant Cemetery. More About AUGUST FRIEDRICH WILHELM PRELL: Immigration: Abt. 1852, New York More About AUGUST PRELL and IDA ROSE: Marriage: Bet. 1864 - 1865, Michigan More About AUGUST PRELL and HENRIETTA SCHUMOLDT: Marriage: 1877, Rising City, Polk Co, Nebraska ii. FRIEDERICKE WILHELMINE PRELL, b. 02 Oct 1845, Bagemuehl, Ueckermund, Brandenburg, Preussen; d. 18 Dec 1921, Mt. Clemens, Michigan; m. ISAAK WILLIAMS, 10 Apr 1866, Mt. Clemens, Michigan; b. 28 Jan 1844, Bagemuehl/Prenzlau, Prussia; d. 09 Aug 1920, Mt. Clemens, Michigan. More About FRIEDERICKE WILHELMINE PRELL: Burial: 21 Dec 1921, Clinton Grove Cemetery, Macomb Co, Michigan More About ISAAK WILLIAMS: Burial: 21 Aug 1920, Clinton Grove Cemetery, Macomb Co, Michigan More About ISAAK WILLIAMS and FRIEDERICKE PRELL: Marriage: 10 Apr 1866, Mt. Clemens, Michigan Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow.-- G.M.Trevelyan

I have recently been searching for information on the Anglo Indian which went from Scotland to Australia in 1883, and have joined the ships list, and looked at many sources of information, and found 1998 & 1999 entries, and was greatly assisted by the Passenger Ship History Service I have found that a subsciber's great Grandfather C H Hillcoat was the Master and that his wife died at sea of diptheria. I found an entry in another piece of information which gave the departure date from Grenock, Scotland: 7th July 1883 arrived Brisbane, Australia: 1st October, 1883 Captain Charles Hillcoat. 562 passengers My Mother's Grandfather and his sister went from Glasgow to Australia in 1883 on the 'Anglo Indian' Our family history states that on the journey to Australia from Scotland, the ship was only one day's sailing time from the island of Sumatra when the volcano Krakatoa erupted. This event was in August, 1883 I would much appreciate knowing if any subsciber been successful in finding a ships log or further information Regards Elizabeth Flintshire, N. Wales

I have a wonderful book entitled the Royal Tour 1901 by Petty Officer Harry Price as it is a facsimile of his account of the cruise to Australia and New Zealand on the Ophir. Sadly it doesn't contain a crew list but it worth getting through inter library loan ISBN 0906671 10 8 Regards Don www.shiphistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Chaplains" <chaplains@felixstoweuk.fsnet.co.uk> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: [TSL] Ophir > Dear Friends, > > Would you have the crew list for Ophir in 1901. The shiptook the Duke > and Duchess to open the Austria Parliment > > A friend is looking for the list. > > Yours sincerely > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > >

Hi John, Sorry I can't help with passengers but details and many photos of the ship at http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/EmpressOfEnglandPCs.html#anchor3146865 regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McBride" <johnm@quins.co.uk> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: [TSL] Empress of England 1959 > I,m sorry to bother you but I am trying to trace a passenger list from > the Empress of England 3rd April 1959 departing Liverpoool arriving > Montreal. > My father was a passenger on this ship and has recently passed away > and my mother is now trying to build up a picture of his life any > website's or info you could point in my direction would be > appreciated. > If I have the wrong address or person sorry for any innconvience. > Thanks again > John McBride > General Manager > NEC Harlequins > > t: 020 8410 6054 > f: 020 8286 0222 > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:TheShipsList-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:TheShipsList-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Leave Subject Line empty * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > >

At 01:47 PM 2006-05-25 -0500, Richard F. Strait wrote: >Can anyone tell me if the passenger lists ofships that arrived in New >York in April 1851 have been transcribed and are they available online on >the web? According to family history and ancestor of my wife arrived in >New York in April 1851! > >TIA > >RFS Hi Richard, You have quite a bit of choice of research tools online actually. I suggest you use Steve Morse's search forms for pre-Castle Garden records on Ancestry.com . . .they have the actual scanned manifests available. Read about them here on Steve's website http://www.stevemorse.org/ Steve's search forms are wonderful . . . those which cost (to view the original images) are shown with a $ sign, but you can do a tremendous amount to narrow your search. There were 168 ship arrivals in the month of April 1851. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Good day I am wanting to find out the details of this ship leaving England for Australia in 1895. Can you tell me how to obtain the informatiom? Regards Delphine Petterson

Dear Friends, Would you have the crew list for Ophir in 1901. The shiptook the Duke and Duchess to open the Austria Parliment A friend is looking for the list. Yours sincerely

At 03:04 PM 2006-05-25 -0300, John McBride wrote: >I,m sorry to bother you but I am trying to trace a passenger list from >the Empress of England 3rd April 1959 departing Liverpoool arriving >Montreal. >My father was a passenger on this ship and has recently passed away >and my mother is now trying to build up a picture of his life any >website's or info you could point in my direction would be >appreciated. Hi John, In addition to the picture URL Ted sent you, we have some pictures on TheShipsList too. They are of her steaming up the St. Lawrence, to Montreal in 1956. http://www.theshipslist.com/pictures/empressofengland.htm Ship Description and voyage history http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsE.html There wasn't quite "year round navigation" to Montreal in 1959 (that began in 1964), but the port was open to the sea by the 1st April 1959. I'm a little concerned about your departure date, as her first 1959 arrival at Montreal was April 24th. She would not have taken three weeks in passage. At that time of the year her passage time Liverpool / Montreal would be about 7-8 days. If you are sure of the departure date, is it possible the ship was the EMPRESS OF BRITAIN which was also sailing Liverpool / Montreal and arrived on April 11th 1959 ? Unfortunately the Canadian landing record is not available, as post 1935 passenger records remain in the custody of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. If your mother was a passenger she would be able to request a copy of her record through "Access to Information," but because of Canadian privacy laws, the request must be either be accompanied by a signed consent from the person concerned, or proof that he/she has been deceased twenty years. However, there should be a British outbound passenger list, as those do survive and are accessible through to 1960. They are not filmed nor indexed and the originals are housed at Kew, so you would either have to visit in person, or hire a British researcher. http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/ukrecords.html I hope this helps, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

On 25 May 2006 at 13:47, Richard F. Strait wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the passenger lists ofships that > arrived in New York in April 1851 have been transcribed and > are they available online on the web Yes. :-) You have several choices, some free, some not free. Not all the 1851 lists are online for free but all are online as a pay subscription. (Does that make sense?) So why not start with the free ones and if you come up empty, go to the pay sites Here's the free ones: Passenger lists are available on microfilm so if you know a date of arrival or a ship name you can order the microfilm or have NARA do a lookup for you. For a complete list of film numbers (NARA or FHC) for ships going to New York after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml Find your date (year, month, day if known) and write down the NARA or Family History Centre film number you need. The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee. You can order National Archives (NARA) forms online at http://www.archives.gov/global_pages/inquire_form.html You might also want to check the ongoing project to fill in the 1847-1892 index gap for passenger arrival records in New York. This project consists of 3 sets of records: 1. NY Times extracts for ship arrivals and passenger names 2. Images (and some accompanying transcripts) of actual passenger lists in this time period 3. NY Almshouse records for 1855-1858 The complete index of NY Times years and shipping news extracts is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/nytimes.htm You can also search the NY Times online for a small fee through other sites. There are links at the above URL. Images of ships passenger lists for these Unindexed NY years are online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ The Almshouse Records start at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm Also check online ships and links to ships in this time period at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny182549.shtml Ancestry.com is the pay service that has all the ships for 1851. You can get a free trial by going to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/freegenealogy.shtml -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hello Dolores, These were the same ship, built as BENGORE HEAD in 1883, purchased by Hamburg America Line renamed MORAVIA and sailed between Hamburg - Havre - New York for Hamburg America Line. Details at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsM.html The 1882 is a typo. There is a photo in the book "Ships of our Ancestors" by Michael J. Anuta which is available on inter library loan. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolores desideri" <ddesideri@earthlink.net> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [TSL] SS Moravia > My GGP immigrated out of Hamburg on the SS Moravia - arriving in NY City > on December 23rd 1885. > > My Google searches for this ship have been confusing as they refer to two > nearly identical ships with the same name. One was built in 1882 and one > in 1883. Given that, it probably doesn't matter which one they were on, > but I'm curious about the naming situation. > > I would appreciate if one of you ship experts would tell me more about > this > > I would also like a good drawing or photo of the ship - SS Moravia. > > > dolores desideri > Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, Janecek, > and Antos. > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > REMEMBER - Posts to the list and/or digest MUST be sent to: > TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

I,m sorry to bother you but I am trying to trace a passenger list from the Empress of England 3rd April 1959 departing Liverpoool arriving Montreal. My father was a passenger on this ship and has recently passed away and my mother is now trying to build up a picture of his life any website's or info you could point in my direction would be appreciated. If I have the wrong address or person sorry for any innconvience. Thanks again John McBride General Manager NEC Harlequins t: 020 8410 6054 f: 020 8286 0222

Can anyone tell me if the passenger lists ofships that arrived in New York in April 1851 have been transcribed and are they available online on the web? According to family history and ancestor of my wife arrived in New York in April 1851! TIA RFS

Good morning list master and members, can sks offer me advice please. I have obtained the death certificate for Flora McKillop nee McDonald. Flora drowned at sea a passenger on a ship the "S.S.Ly?????" or S???? [illegible on certificate] on 30 May 1886 near Eden. Can you please advise where I should go to obtain details of this tragedy, is there any list site for deaths at sea. Does anyone know the name of this ship ??? or anything about the journey? Thanking you Irene Kerr

Hello Irene, This was the steamship LY-EE-MOON, She was a 1,202 ton ship, 282.4ft x 27.3ft x 16.6ft, built 1859 by Thanes Ironworks, London and owned by Australasian Steam Navigation Co. Originally built as a paddle steamer, used in the Opium trade and based in Hong Kong where she was rammed and sunk in 1874. Salvaged and returned to England where she was repaired and converted to screw propulsion. On Saturday 29th May 1886 she left Melbourne for Sydney. At about 9 o'clock the following evening off Green Cape, the night being clear and the lighthouse light being distinctly visible. Capt. A. Webber in command was making his first voyage as Master of the ship and was unfamiliar with the coast, as was the Third Mate who was on watch. The captain had gone below leaving instructions that he was to be informed as soon as Green Cape Light was near. Shortly after this the ship crashed into rocks at the foot of the cape. There was a heavy sea running and it was impossible to launch the lifeboats. An attempt to get the ship off the rockes by reversing the engines was unsuccessful and shortly after the ship broke in two. The forepart containing the saloon and foremast drifted shorewards and the helpless passengers attempted to find shelter in the rigging, but he mast snapped and most of them were flung into the sea. A number of seamen managed to reach shore and got a line to the vessel with the assistance of the lighthouse keepers. Meanwile the after part with the steerage passengers and engineers sank in deep water. Eighty lives were lost and there were 15 survivors. For a fuller account and photos, see http://www.afloat.com.au/www/79/1001224/displayarticle/1006690.html regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <dannyk@shoal.net.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:23 AM Subject: [TSL] Ship, drowning off Eden > Good morning list master and members, can sks offer me advice please. > > I have obtained the death certificate for Flora McKillop nee McDonald. > > Flora drowned at sea a passenger on a ship the "S.S.Ly?????" or S???? > [illegible on certificate] on 30 May 1886 near Eden. > > Can you please advise where I should go to obtain details of this > tragedy, is there any list site for deaths at sea. > > Does anyone know the name of this ship ??? or anything about the > journey? > > Thanking you > > Irene Kerr > > > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TO CONTACT > LISTOWNERS: Sue mailto:TheShipsList-admin@lists2.rootsweb.com > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

My GGP immigrated out of Hamburg on the SS Moravia - arriving in NY City on December 23rd 1885. My Google searches for this ship have been confusing as they refer to two nearly identical ships with the same name. One was built in 1882 and one in 1883. Given that, it probably doesn't matter which one they were on, but I'm curious about the naming situation. I would appreciate if one of you ship experts would tell me more about this I would also like a good drawing or photo of the ship - SS Moravia. dolores desideri Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, Janecek, and Antos.

Irene, The Australian coastal steamer "Ly-ee-Moon" was wrecked on Green Cape, just south of Eden, on the night of 29/30 May 1886 with heavy loss of life, variously given as between 41 and 86, and only 15 survivors. It was one of Australia's worst shipwrecks of the day so there should be plenty of information available. Built as a paddle steamer in 1859 and named after one of the passages into Hong Kong the "Ly-ee-Moon" was one of the fastest ships afloat when completed being capable of 17 knots. Intended as an opium runner she later served as a blockade runner in the American Civil War before being sold to Australasian Steam Navigation Company by which time she had been converted to a screw steamer. At the time of her loss she was en route from Port Phillip to Sydney. Regards, Dave Edge ----- Original Message ----- From: <dannyk@shoal.net.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Ship, drowning off Eden >Good morning list master and members, can sks offer me advice please. > >I have obtained the death certificate for Flora McKillop nee McDonald. > >Flora drowned at sea a passenger on a ship the "S.S.Ly?????" or S???? >[illegible on certificate] on 30 May 1886 near Eden. > >Can you please advise where I should go to obtain details of this >tragedy, is there any list site for deaths at sea. > >Does anyone know the name of this ship ??? or anything about the >journey? > >Thanking you > >Irene Kerr > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Chapple" <juliechapple21@hotmail.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: [TSL] New search for my tealeaf!!! >I am trying to trace my grandfather x 5 who i thought was >transported to NSW Aus for 7years for stealing 7 >chickens! I now have new information which says he >actually sailed from Portsmouth on 17th june 1827 on ship >Layton 1. The ship docked on 9th oct 1827. We think he >may have ended up in Tasmania! Hi Julie Looks like he did as Thomas COOLING per Layton is in the CD of indexes to convicts sent to Tasmania I am a bit puzzled as to why you posted this on TheShipsList ? Would have thought AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com would have been a more relevant mailing list bye MargM Member of Central Coast Family History Society Gosford NSW