My gandmother's family came to Canada in 1905. Their brother had Trachoma and was refused entry and went onto Buenos Aires. Is there any documentation on file that would help me find what ship he went on? Thanking you in advance. Diane Marvin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Keith From an ad in The Times, London, April 5, 1854: Walthew's Liverpool Line of Australian Packets,--The James Carson, for Melbourne, 1,164 tons register, 1,800 tons burden. Passengers for this ship must embark on Saturday, the 1st of April. There are a few berths still disengaged. The A 1 clipper ship Arabia, 2,000 tons, will follow, to sail about the 30th of April. For further particulars apply to James M. Walhew, 16, Chapel-street; Thomas Woolley, 15, Fenchurch-street, London. Regards.. Marj At 08:30 PM 5/31/2006, Keith Hazzard wrote: >Hi Listers, >Could someone help me with more information on the above ship. >My ancestor arrived in Melbourne, Australia in July 1854 as an unassisted >passenger on this ship. >I think it sailed from England.I would like to know what port, the Master >& ship description please. >Regards from Keith in a very frosty (Minus 5 degrees) Orange, NSW. > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Jan, From The Times, London, Sept 16, 1863: Bordeaux.--Regular Steam Line.--The under signed will despatch reglarly [sic] on the 5th, 16th, and 25th of every month, the first-class screw steam vessels AGENORIA, 279 tons, 55-h.p., Captain Hoinson, and HOLYROOD, 381 tons, 70-h.p., Captain Luckie,--for Bordeaux direct, taking goods for all places on the line of the Midl. Railway. The steamers load in the Shadwell Basin, London Docks,--Stringer, Pembroke, and Co., 8, Austinfrrs (?); or No. 54 1/4 Old Broad-street, E.C." On Oct 13, 1863 the add is a little different: "Steam from London to Copenhagen and Konigsberg Town, via Hull--The s.s. Agenoria, is intended to be despatched from East-lane Tier on the 15th October. For freight apply to A.G. Robinson, 29, Mark-lane; Smith, Sundius, and Co., 17, Gracechurch-street, London, E.C.; or to Bailey and Leetham, owners, Hull." There are a few other ads as well. Regards.. Marj At 07:08 AM 6/1/2006, jan.asa wrote: >Hi! > >I was searching the Internet for the s/s Agenoria. You have her listed >on your site as lost outside the swedish coast 1864. I am looking for >more information, pictures, drawings etc. > >I have the Captain's Protest and also the information from Lloyd's Register. > >Do you have more information or can you direct me were to look? Maybe we >can exchange information. > >Rgds >Jan Fredriksson >jan.asa@home.se >Sweden > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* A PLACE TO START *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Passenger Lists on The Internet > http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Hi I have a card re above sailing ship which was a Margate Packet. The card is marked 1810 and lists the sailing dates during June to mid-September of that year. Are there any listers who know anything about this ship? The packet sailed from Margate to London and return. Thanks Elva

Karen <endlein@charter.net> posted: > My ggrandparents came to the U.S. from Germany by way of Liverpool > in 1871 on the ship "Abyssinia". Have no info as to how they got to > Liverpool. Is there a source in Liverpool that might list the boat > that brought them to Liverpool? Thank you. Cas Endlein Generally there is no way of knowing the ship that brought transmigrants from British sources (until 1905 when the incoming ship was noted on some outbound passenger lists). However if they sailed from Hamburg, and many did, it may be possible to find them on the Hamburg emigrant lists. These often give the name of the feeder ship, which carried them to Britain, but with America as the destination. It is very unlikely they reached Liverpool by ship. The most common port of arrival would have been Hull, about three hours by train from Liverpool, but other ports were used. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Jan, I can't add much and am doubtful if photos exist of this ship. AGENORIA 279 gross tons, length 148.5ft x beam 22.2ft, iron hull, built 1857 at Monk's Ferry, Birkenhead and registered 21st Mar.1858 for John Jones, Birkenhead. 22nd Mar.1858 sold to Sir S. M. Peto, Thomas Brassey, Liverpool and E. L. Betts, London. 3rd Apr.1862 registered as owned by Samuel Holme, Liverpool. 5th Dec.1863 sold to Bailey and Leetham Ltd, Hull. 13th Feb.1864 wrecked on the Swedish coast. Bailey & Leetham operated coastal and Baltic services from Hull from 1854 until 1903 when the company was sold to Thos. Wilson & Co. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "jan.asa" <jan.asa@home.se> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: [TSL] Agenoria > Hi! > > I was searching the Internet for the s/s Agenoria. You have her listed > on your site as lost outside the swedish coast 1864. I am looking for > more information, pictures, drawings etc. > > I have the Captain's Protest and also the information from Lloyd's > Register. > > Do you have more information or can you direct me were to look? Maybe we > can exchange information. > > Rgds > Jan Fredriksson > jan.asa@home.se > Sweden > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* A PLACE TO START *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Passenger Lists on The Internet > http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > >

My ggrandparents came to the U.S. from Germany by way of Liverpool in 1871 on the ship "Abyssinia". Have no info as to how they got to Liverpool. Is there a source in Liverpool that might list the boat that brought them toLiverpool? Thank you. Cas Endlein

Hi Listers, Could someone help me with more information on the above ship. My ancestor arrived in Melbourne, Australia in July 1854 as an unassisted passenger on this ship. I think it sailed from England.I would like to know what port, the Master & ship description please. Regards from Keith in a very frosty (Minus 5 degrees) Orange, NSW.

Hi everyone, Here's the companion piece to the post I sent a few days ago about finding passenger lists before 1865. If you need to find someone after 1865, here's some tips: The National Archives of Canada (NAC) holds immigration records from 1865 to 1935. Unfortunately the records before 1925 are not indexed. To find a passenger you will need to know an exact date of arrival. There is no easy way to search Canadian arrival records for the unindexed period other than reading microfilm. Ships are on the reel, in order of arrival. You can find the details at this URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html If you want to order filmed passenger lists (remember they aren't indexed!), a list of NAC microfilm numbers for passenger lists to Canada 1865-1922 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_can1865.shtml If you are patient, you will soon (?) be able to search these unindexed years! Library and Archives Canada plans to digitize passenger lists for 1865 to 1935 as part of their new Moving Here, Staying Here online exhibition at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/immigrants/index-e.html ********************** What's Available Online in Passenger Lists If you want to try your luck searching transcribed ships passenger lists online, passenger lists for Ships to Canada after 1865 are freely available at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml Passenger Lists 1925-1935 are indexed and online at ArchiviaNet at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/02011801_e.html Home Children (1869-1930) database indexes from ships passenger lists is available at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020110_e.html Nanaimo Family History Society has an ongoing Passenger List Indexing Project for 1900-1921 online at http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/ ********************** There are search engines to search online free databases on multiple websites for ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml The Ontario Archives has an index to the assisted immigration registers created by the Toronto Emigrant Office between 1865 and 1883. Over 29,000 entries have been transcribed from the registers. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm ********************** Miscellaneous Websites with Immigration Information on Ships to Canada after 1865 The Ships List http://www.theshipslist.com/ Ships Passenger Lists Online http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ Finding Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://shipslists-online.rootschat.net/canada/ Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 1865-1930 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml Hope this helps! Feel free to share this email with anyone or any list you think might be interested. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hi! I was searching the Internet for the s/s Agenoria. You have her listed on your site as lost outside the swedish coast 1864. I am looking for more information, pictures, drawings etc. I have the Captain's Protest and also the information from Lloyd's Register. Do you have more information or can you direct me were to look? Maybe we can exchange information. Rgds Jan Fredriksson jan.asa@home.se Sweden

Alan Meeson <alanmeeson@blueyonder.co.uk> posted: > i am looking for a seaman by the name of james henry peter beatson > who was a crew member around 1919 is there any information available > please, i am tracing my family regards There is not really enough info here. However if you know the name of a ship on which a seaman served, it is often possible to get a crew list (which can be a non-trivial task). A crew list usually contains the name of the previous ship, so it is possible to trace a seaman's career backwards. However in this specific case, a researcher using the name of "jenny" has posted the same query on the Sheffield Indexers Forum http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org but notes that beatson sailed on the SS Regina in 1919. So if you can find the crew list for the voyage he was on, that should give an entry into his career. Crew lists are really topics for Mariners list, rather than TheShipsList. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

on April 22, 2006 11:13 PM Maureen Doyle wrote Hi folks thought I would try just one more time. I have the naturalisation papers for my Christian Nielsen (Nelsen) who it states arrived in NSW in November 1873 on the "Costal Adolf". Now we have established that a ship with this name didnt exist, I was wondering if the Gustav Adolf/Adolph was anywhere near Australian waters in 1873. Christian is stated as a mariner in the papers, I am yet to find his entry into Australia. I wonder that an error such as the name of the ship would be entered on his naturalisation papers. The last time I enquired I received an email that stated that the above ship was near Australia in 1873 but have trawled through the internet and can find no record of this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There certainly was a GUSTAV ADOLPH "near" Australia in 1873. There are many vessels of this name with movements reported in Lloyd's List in 1873-1874, but only one visiting Sydney. 18 Jun 1873 - sailed Hamburg for Manila (Capt Oehlmann) [7 Jul] - put in to Portland Roads with chronometer broken (Capt Oehlmann) 16 Nov - arrived Manila from Hamburg (Capt Oehlmann) 23 Dec - sailed Manila for Sydney NSW (Capt Oehlmann) 24 Feb 1874 - arrived Sydney NSW from Manila 2 Apr - sailed Sydney for Shanghai (Capt Oehlmann) I recall that it is often noted on this site that the year of entry is the most mis-remembered fact in later naturalisation applications, though here it could be the month as well. But then, perhaps GUSTAV ADOLPH did arrive in November in a different year (though not 1874)? David

At 10:30 AM 2006-06-01 +1000, Keith Hazzard wrote: >Hi Listers, >Could someone help me with more information on the above ship. >My ancestor arrived in Melbourne, Australia in July 1854 as an unassisted >passenger on this ship. >I think it sailed from England.I would like to know what port, the Master >& ship description please. >Regards from Keith in a very frosty (Minus 5 degrees) Orange, NSW. Hi Keith, I checked the Sydney Shipping Gazette . . http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html Volume 11, Number 535 (24 July, 1854) Page 134 . . and learned that July 13th 1854, the JAMES CASON [sic] arrived at Melbourne, from Liverpool. That portion of the paper is very faded, but I was able to make it out. Unfortunately it doesn't include any more details about the ship, Captain or passengers. I then went to Gilbert Provost's website and found the details you were looking for, ca. 1853 http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/ShipsJ.htm JAMES CARSON - 1853 Master: Captain J. Rainey Rigging: Ship; sheathed in yellow metal in 1851; partly fastened with iron bolts Tonnage: 1,134 tons using old measurements and 1,189 tons using new measurements Construction: 1851 in Québec Owners: Dunn & Sons Port of registry: Belfast Port of survey: Liverpool Voyage: sailed for Australia Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for May 2006 is . . . o Fleets new: o Lloyd Brasileiro / Brazil Lloyd o Larrinaga Line Two new fleets . . . a big Brazilan line of 100 years duration and a Spanish line, which existed over 105 years. o Pictures: o Quebec lower town, 1876 o Ice on the St. Lawrence at Québec o Montclare 1921, Canadian Pacific o Montlaurier 1907, Canadian Pacific I watch the photographic images at the Library & Archives of Canada, to see which photographers' work has now been scanned, This time it is more from Jules-Ernest Livernois. The first is a lovely old photo of Quebec, lower town, where you can even see the wall. The next link has two photos which are perfect illustrations of why the navigation season in the St. Lawrence river was only 210-220 days a year. Next are new (for TheShipsList) ship photographs of two of the Canadian Pacific MONT_____ ships. The MONTLAURIER was ex- Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm of North German Lloyd, so does that one really count for two ships ? <smile> o Passengers: o New Swiftsure - 6th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 28th May 1824 o New Swiftsure - 7th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 5th June 1824 o New Swiftsure - 8th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 11th June 1824 o New Swiftsure - 9th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 17th June 1824 o New Swiftsure - 10th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 25th June 1824 o New Swiftsure - 11th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 2nd July 1824 o New Swiftsure - 12th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 9th July 1824 Seven more lists for steamboat New Swiftsure in 1824. Lots of emigrants, especially June 25th with over 400 passengers. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

On 31 May 2006 at 14:46, Jan Griffiths wrote: > Hi. I'm seeking information regarding the Guilfoyle Family's > immigration to the United States, probably to New York, > probably between 1840 and 1856. I do not have a first name, > although it may have been John. Their son, John Joseph > Guilfoyle, was born in New York in August of 1856. He is > listed in the 1900 Census in Troy, New York, showing parents > born in Ireland. > > I'd like to find out where they originated in Ireland > (Tipperary??), name of ship, port of arrival, date of > arrival, etc. > > The surname may have been spelled: Guilfoyle - Gilfoyle - > Kilfoyle - McGuilfoyle - McGilfoyle. > > The very first thing I'd do is check the USA 1860 census to find out the names of John's parents. Given the number of spelling variations of the surname you will have trouble finding them on a ships list and verifying they are the right family without first names Then I'd hunt in 1850 census to see if the parents show up. If yes, you've narrowed your timeframe for immigration. You can start your census search at http://allcensusrecords.com/ You will find links there to the various years online plus a Comparison Chart which will help you determine the bigger sites with census records. Once you've found John's parents (and any older siblings of John born in Ireland) you can start on passenger lists. There are indexes to ships passenger lists for most ports for the time period of interest to you. You can get a list of film numbers (NARA & FHC) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nara_indexbyport.shtml Scroll down to the state you want and click on the link, then find the film # you need, then decide whether to order it in to a nearby FHC or have NARA do a lookup. The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee. You can also search using Steve Morse's One Step pages at http://www.stevemorse.org/ You want Castle Garden and pre- Castle Garden search engines. Castle Garden existed as a processing station for immigrants between 1855 and 1890. For more help with this time period see "Castle Garden: Ships Passenger Lists to New York 1 Aug.1855 - 18 Apr. 1890" at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/castle-garden.htm Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hi. I'm seeking information regarding the Guilfoyle Family's immigration to the United States, probably to New York, probably between 1840 and 1856. I do not have a first name, although it may have been John. Their son, John Joseph Guilfoyle, was born in New York in August of 1856. He is listed in the 1900 Census in Troy, New York, showing parents born in Ireland. I'd like to find out where they originated in Ireland (Tipperary??), name of ship, port of arrival, date of arrival, etc. The surname may have been spelled: Guilfoyle - Gilfoyle - Kilfoyle - McGuilfoyle - McGilfoyle. Any help?

Hi. I'm looking for information about my paternal grandparents' arrival in Montreal Canada, approx. 1912 to 1915. John Arthur Griffiths was born on January 7, 1887 in London, England. Janet Rebeca Dott was born on May 21, 1884 in London, England. They married on September 27, 1912 and came to Canada sometime after that. I'd like to find out the name of the ship, date of sail, and date and port of arrival. Any clues?

Searching for Francis Elliot and family, name of ship and port of arrival. 1. Departed Glasgow, Scotland, between February and August 1863 (states on Declaration Intent arrived in America 1863 and departed from Glasgow). Signed as witness to a brothers death in Scotland, February 1863 and leased property in Delaware County, New York, July 1863 2. Country of Origin, Scotland 3. Settled in Delhi, Delaware County, New York 4. Family names and ages in 1863, probably traveled together Frances Elliot, age @43, male, husband Jane Elliot, age @42, female, wife James Elliot, age @19, male, child Walter Elliot, age @17, male, child Robert Elliot, age @14, male, child George Elliot, age @13, male, child John Elliot, age @10 male, child Elizabeth (Lizzie) Elliot, age @8, female, child Francis, age @5, male, child Have not been able to locate on any New York passenger lists, perhaps came thru Canada? Any help is really appreciated. Jeannie Coston

At 03:52 PM 2006-05-30 -0600, May wrote: >Hi - I'm new to your list and would appreciate some help regarding the >above ship. Two very kind gents from the "Ships from England" list >suggested I join this one. I was very pleased to receive an attachment of >the ship when she sailed in 1912 and the sad end when she went down in 1917. > >Can someone please tell me how I go about finding the passenger lists for >1912? Hello May, The Donaldson Line ship LETITIA had 8 trips from Glasgow to Canada in 1912 ;-} If you don't have an arrival date in mind, it might require reading a bit of microfilm, as those records aren't indexed yet. T-4784 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-05-04 Quebec, Que. 1912-05-13 T-4785 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-05-04 Quebec, Que. 1912-05-13 [could be a duplicate . . . or maybe a continuaton of the list] T-4787 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-06-01 Quebec, Que. 1912-06-09 T-4788 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-06-29 Quebec, Que. 1912-07-07 T-4789 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-07-27 Quebec, Que. 1912-08-04 T-4790 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-08-24 Quebec, Que. 1912-08-31 T-4792 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-09-21 Quebec, Que. 1912-09-29 T-4793 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-10-19 Quebec, Que. 1912-10-29 T-4827 LETITIA Glasgow, Scotland 1912-12-21 St. John, N.B. 1912-12-31 Captain William McNeill The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL free of charge, from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LAC will allow your Library to borrow up to six microfilms on your behalf, per request. The LDS now have copies of the post-1900 Canadian arrivals, so check here for links and details http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#lds I see you have a Canadian email address. Here find a list of institutions in Canada who also have copies of this microfilm. You may have one close by. http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-903-e.html Good Luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/