Bill, Pertaining to Greek Immmigrants - - Immigrant Ship Index - "Vessels used to transport emigrants from Greece to Ellis Island N.Y., U.S.A., 1892 to 1924". Listing of over 300 ships. (data compiled by Spiro Lecatsas). http://www.stsconstantinehelen.org/heritage_room/immi_ship.asp#c I hope this helps! Kathleen H. ________________________________________________________________ --- Bill <bill-good1@comcast.net> wrote: ...Evangelos Yeoryiladakis was born in Milos, Greece in 1892. ...emigrated from Piraeus, Greece on or about November 25th 1913 and arrived at the port of New York, State of New York, America on or about December 25th 1913 on the vessel Ciaconda. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On 2 Jul 2006 at 21:31, Bill wrote: > Hello, > > I have not been able to find any reference to or a passenger > list of the ship Ciaconda that arrived in New York on or > about December 25th, 1913 from Piraeus, Greece. I have the > following documented information to work with and am looking > for direction. > > Where did you get the ship name? And the date of departure/arrival? A check of Steve Morse's one step search engines for finding ships arriving in NY does not show any ship named Ciaconda or anything remotely similar. I suspect the ship name you have is wrong, or the port/date of arrival. Have you tried seaching by name rather than by ship? Try http://www.stevemorse.org/ and use his search engines for Ellis Island. Be creative with spelling! Since he arrived after 1906 you may want to hunt for his naturalization records. An immigrant who arrived after June 29, 1906 could not naturalize until the government located their immigration record (a passenger list). Petitions (not the Declarations) after 1906 have information that has been verified and matched to an immigration record. In fact a a certification of the immigrant's arrival record was a required part of the process The easy way to remember is to think of opposites: BEFORE 1906, the Declaration has more useful genealogical info than the Petition (usually) and AFTER 1906 it's the opposite - the Petition is more useful and accurate than the Declaration. For a Resource Guide to the records, what you can expect to find, where to find them, and alternate sources of finding those important years (immigration and naturalization) at http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/ Read the intro then choose your state of interest. Lorine http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml NARA & FHC film numbers for NY passenger lists after 1820 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny.shtml Passenger Lists to New York all years http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchnyships.shtml Search Engine for online Internet Passenger Lists to NY

John may have arrived on the Francios I on 19 Jan 1841 in New York City from Liverpool. His wife, Elizabeth (Betsey), and daughter, Elizabeth, show in the 1841 English Census still living in Ancoats district of Manchester. hey had a son, James H McVay, born in 1843 in Carbondale, PA. The family subsequently moved to southeastern Massachusetts, living in Dighton and Taunton. I can find no record of the wife and daughter's immigration. Any help will be appreciated. Dave Trimble Centerville, MA 508 778-1142

On 3 Jul 2006 at 12:53, Ed Finigan wrote: > Unable to locate the ship named ATMOSPHERE which may have > brought my GGF Edward Finigan to New York, according to the > excerpt (below) from CD-357 Passenger Lists Irish To > America. > > Would appreciate suggestions for tracking down any on-line > sources for this ship. Since you want ONline, your only sure resource is Ancestry.com's NY ships lists. See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/freegenealogy.shtml for links to free trials if this is what you want to do. You can check other sites, such as Steve Morse's one step search engines (http://www.stevemorse.org/ ) or http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ (choose USA then NY) or http://www.theshipslist.com/ or Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, but it will be hit or miss if that specific ship has been transcribed and put online http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml NARA & FHC film numbers for NY passenger lists after 1820 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny.shtml Passenger Lists to New York all years http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchnyships.shtml Search Engine for online Internet Passenger Lists to NY

Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca replied to my query (below) regarding the Ship Atmosphere, on which I think that my GGF Edward Finigan arrived from Ireland: "The New York Times (microfilm) notice reads: Arrivals, June 15 Ship Atmosphere (Br.), [captain] LaGarde, Liverpool, May 6, with mdse and 525 passengers to [agents] Tapscott & Co. Had moderate west and westsouthwest winds to the westward of the banks. "So another uneventful passage. Not all British ships were listed in Lloyd's Register, particularly if they were self-insured. I've changed my e-mail address twice since my original query and have retired from work, do I am about to resume my search for my GGF. Can you help with the manifest, etc. Edward Finigan Lynn, MA -=============================================================================== Original Query: I've confirmed the arrival and passengers of the Ship ATMOSPHERE Liverpool>NY June 16, 1863 by checking the FHL films, and I now know that the master was Edward LaGarde of Liverpool. But I still can't find anything about the ship (e.g. size, owner, age, etc.). EXCERPT FROM CD-357: Finigan, Edward Age : 24 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : Jun. 16, 1863 Final Destination : USA Gender : Male Occupation : Servant Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Atmosphere Manifest ID Number : 901936 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage

On 2 Jul 2006 at 21:43, wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: > > > Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: <The > > problem with the Boston arrivals is there is an 8 > > 1/2 year gap on M277 (which is titled Passenger Lists of > > Vessels Arriving at Boston MA 1820-1891) The gap is from > > a April 1874 to 31 Dec 1882. -That is because there are > > no Federal records of any kind prior to 1883 (due to > > fire) and State Department copies were used in their > > place.> > > > > > off in Castle Garden. You say that the Boston arrival > > would be a bust for this time period. No, that's not what I said. After my explanation which you quoted above, my email to the list said "However the good news is that there ARE records for the missing years. They are not available at NARA, only at the Massachusetts State Archives" So you CAN get the passenger lists for this time period. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

On 2 Jul 2006 at 21:43, wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: > > Yes, the 1900 census states they came over in 1882 and were > naturalized. I'm not sure how the directories would help. > Bill You have to allow a year or two on either side of any naturalization or immigration years given in the census. They are often mis-remembered. Naturalization records are available online at http://naturalizationrecords.com/ There is also a resource guide, by state, to direct you to alternate sources. The 1900, 1910 ,1920 and 1930 census identify citizenship status, with notations showing the individual was an Alien, or had started the Naturalization process or had his final papers. The year of immigration is also shown. 1920 also nicely provides a year of naturalization. You can get help with census records in your search for an immigrant ancestor at http://allcensusrecords.com/ Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

On 2 Jul 2006 at 20:46, wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: > > I have, over the last year, meticulously combed the ships > arriving to the US during the latter part of 1881 and > beginning of 1882 for Michael and Mary McDermott. >Okay, where do I go from here? As you said, they may have arrived via Canada. Here's what you can do: First, for USA arrivals, you can search microfilms. Most states are indexed, so this will make your job slightly easier. You can order films in to a nearby Family History Centre, or have NARA do the job (once you have precise details) Once you know your state, you can get a list of film numbers (NARA & FHC) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nara_indexbyport.shtml Scroll down to the state you want and click on the link, then find the film # you need The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee . To obtain a search request form, write to: General Reference Branch (NNRG), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408 and request NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. To find your nearest FHC you can go to http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp For ships to Canada The National Archives of Canada (NAC) holds immigration records from 1865 to 1935. Unfortunately the records before 1925 are not indexed. To find a passenger you will need to know an exact date of arrival. There is no easy way to search Canadian arrival records for the unindexed period other than reading microfilm. Ships are on the reel, in order of arrival. You can find the details at this URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html If you want to order filmed passenger lists (remember they aren't indexed!), a list of NAC microfilm numbers for passenger lists to Canada 1865-1922 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_can1865.shtml If you are patient, you will soon (?) be able to search these unindexed years! Library and Archives Canada plans to digitize passenger lists for 1865 to 1935 as part of their new Moving Here, Staying Here online exhibition at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/immigrants/index-e.html ********************** There are search engines to search online free databases on multiple websites for ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml The Ontario Archives has an index to the assisted immigration registers created by the Toronto Emigrant Office between 1865 and 1883. Over 29,000 entries have been transcribed from the registers. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm ********************** Miscellaneous Websites with Immigration Information on Ships to Canada after 1865 The Ships List http://www.theshipslist.com/ Ships Passenger Lists Online http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ Finding Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://shipslists-online.rootschat.net/canada/ Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 1865-1930 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

On 3 Jul 2006 at 7:16, G. Campbell wrote: > Is there a website dedicated to passengers arriving in > Boston, MA, around 1886, plus or minus a couple of years? > You can try any of the following: http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ (click on USA, then Massachusetts) http://theshipslist.com/ http://shipslists-online.rootschat.net/ Lorine** http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Immigration/ choose US-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1820 to join USA Ships List ** http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/ choose CAN-SHIPSLISTS-PRE1865 to join Canadian Ships List

Unable to locate the ship named ATMOSPHERE which may have brought my GGF Edward Finigan to New York, according to the excerpt (below) from CD-357 Passenger Lists Irish To America. Would appreciate suggestions for tracking down any on-line sources for this ship. Please send info off-line to: Ed Finigan Lynn, MA mailto:efinigan@comcast.net EXCERPT FROM CD-357: Finigan, Edward Age : 24 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : Jun. 16, 1863 Final Destination : USA Gender : Male Occupation : Servant Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Atmosphere Manifest ID Number : 901936 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage Finigan, Ellen Age : 16 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : Jun. 16, 1863 Final Destination : USA Gender : Female Occupation : Servant Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Atmosphere Manifest ID Number : 901936 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage

Ed, Am offering this up for your consideration even though it shows (for the year stated), a different captain. Kathleen Hannum From: Search of Vessels: www.mysticseaport.org/library/initiative/VSearchIndex.cfm Digital Archives Ship: ATMOSPHERE Captain Eves 1,371 tons, Decks: 2 B, Draft.: 20 (eg. How much water it draws/how deep) ; Wood.: o.c. ; Fast.: C.I. (cast iron); Metalled: Feb. 1865; When built: 1856; Built: Mystic, CT (Greenman); Belonging to: Liverpool; Owners or Consignees: W. Tapscott and Company; Dimensions: approx. 190 x 41 x 18 (length x width x depth); Model: M.Survey of ship: New York, March 1866 PS You can view other years as well. ______________________________________________________ --- Ed Finigan <efinigan@comcast.net> wrote: ...regarding the Ship Atmosphere, on which I think that my GGF Edward Finigan arrived from Ireland: "The New York Times (microfilm) notice reads: Arrivals, June 15 Ship Atmosphere (Br.), [captain] LaGarde, Liverpool, May 6, with mdse and 525 passengers to [agents] Tapscott & Co. Had moderate west and westsouthwest winds to the westward of the banks."So another uneventful passage. Not all British ships were listed in Lloyd's Register, particularly if they were self-insured. Edward Finigan Lynn, MA ______________________________________________________ ....master was Edward LaGarde of Liverpool. EXCERPT FROM CD-357: Finigan, Edward Age : 24 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : Jun. 16, 1863 Final Destination : USA Gender : Male Occupation : Servant Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Atmosphere Manifest ID Number : 901936 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Kathleen, thank you so much for these listings of microfilm. You have given us a great place to start. NARA in Ft Worth is not too far from me. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen" <kajh76@yahoo.com> To: "svanwyk" <s.vanwyk@verizon.net>; <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] William Mosing > Sandra, > > This list is presuming your ancestor left from Hamburg > and arrived in June of 1883, Castle Garden - it's a > start. : ) You can check to see if these particular > ship manifests are on-line via http://stevemorse.org > "One-Step" Form, The ShipLists or Olive Tree > Genealogy. > > The first set of numbers are the Microfilm numbers > from The National Archives (U.S.) and the FHL Roll > number is from the Family History Library/LDS. > > Series: M237 > > Roll: 466 > > Number: 691 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 5 > Â > Frame: 463 > Â > Ship Name: Bohemia > Â > Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France > Â > FHL ROLL: 1027036 > > & > > SERIES: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 693 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 5 > Â > Frame: 500 > Â > Ship Name: Harmonia > Â > Hamburg, Germany > Â > FHL Roll: 1027036 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 714 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 11 > Â > Frame: 747 > Â > Ship Name: Rhaetia > Â > Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France > Â > FHL Roll: 1027036 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 733 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 12 > Â > Frame: 940 > Â > Ship Name: Gellert > Â > Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France > Â > FHL Roll: 1027036 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 740 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 13 > Â > Frame: 973 > Â > Ship Name: Polaria > Â > Hamburg, Germany > Â > FHL Roll: 1027036 > > & > Â > Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 766 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 19 > Â > Frame: 241 > Â > Ship Name: Westphalia > Â > Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France > Â > FHL Roll: 1027037 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 777 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 22 > Â > Frame: 352 > Â > Ship Name: Polynesia > Â > Hamburg, Germany > Â > FHL Roll: 1027037 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 780 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 23 > Â > Frame: 382 > Â > Ship Name: Rugia > Â > Hamburg, Germany > Â > FHL Roll: 1027037 > > & > > Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 800 > Â > Arrival: 1883 June 26 > Â > Frame: 578 > Â > Ship Name: Frisia > Â > Hamburg, Germany > Â > FHL Roll: 1027037 > > Good luck! > > Kathleen Hannum > ____________________________________________________________________ > --- svanwyk <s.vanwyk@verizon.net> wrote: > > "William H. (Henry) Mosing, was born August 7, 1871 > in Wesselburen, Hamburg, Germany. He came to America > June 1883 at the age of 11. It's assumed he would > have come thru New York..." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

Is there a website dedicated to passengers arriving in Boston, MA, around 1886, plus or minus a couple of years? Thanks for any info, George Campbell

Sandra, This list is presuming your ancestor left from Hamburg and arrived in June of 1883, Castle Garden - it's a start. : ) You can check to see if these particular ship manifests are on-line via http://stevemorse.org "One-Step" Form, The ShipLists or Olive Tree Genealogy. The first set of numbers are the Microfilm numbers from The National Archives (U.S.) and the FHL Roll number is from the Family History Library/LDS. Series: M237 Roll: 466 Number: 691   Arrival: 1883 June 5   Frame: 463   Ship Name: Bohemia   Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France   FHL ROLL: 1027036 & SERIES: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 693   Arrival: 1883 June 5   Frame: 500   Ship Name: Harmonia   Hamburg, Germany   FHL Roll: 1027036 & Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 714   Arrival: 1883 June 11   Frame: 747   Ship Name: Rhaetia   Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France   FHL Roll: 1027036 & Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 733   Arrival: 1883 June 12   Frame: 940   Ship Name: Gellert   Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France   FHL Roll: 1027036 & Series: M237, Roll: 466, Number: 740   Arrival: 1883 June 13   Frame: 973   Ship Name: Polaria   Hamburg, Germany   FHL Roll: 1027036 &   Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 766   Arrival: 1883 June 19   Frame: 241   Ship Name: Westphalia   Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France   FHL Roll: 1027037 & Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 777   Arrival: 1883 June 22   Frame: 352   Ship Name: Polynesia   Hamburg, Germany   FHL Roll: 1027037 & Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 780   Arrival: 1883 June 23   Frame: 382   Ship Name: Rugia   Hamburg, Germany   FHL Roll: 1027037 & Series: M237, Roll: 467, Number: 800   Arrival: 1883 June 26   Frame: 578   Ship Name: Frisia   Hamburg, Germany   FHL Roll: 1027037 Good luck! Kathleen Hannum ____________________________________________________________________ --- svanwyk <s.vanwyk@verizon.net> wrote: "William H. (Henry) Mosing, was born August 7, 1871 in Wesselburen, Hamburg, Germany. He came to America June 1883 at the age of 11. It's assumed he would have come thru New York..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Bill, If you haven't done so already, the Naturalization Papers and Records for your McDermott ancestors should be researched. Since they arrived after the Chicago Fire, the records *should* be there. For most of my Illinois research I use the IL Secretary of State and State Archives global database. Also, since you are an IL resident, the fees are quite low and in most cases, for IL residents, you can order records on-line. 1) Review "Naturalization Papers" & "Naturalization Records" at this URL: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/rd_countycourt.html#5.29 2) Another alternative is from the not-for-profit group: Cook County ILGenWeb Genealogy 
NATURALIZATIONS Lookups at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcook/Lookups/lookupnaturalizations.htm There are a few volunteers who will do this for you for free or a small fee at Cook County IL GenWeb. 3) Family History Library (FHL/LDS resource): Topic: Illinois - Naturalization and citizenship - Indexes Titles:
Soundex index to naturalization petitions for U.S. District & Circuit Courts - Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 / United States. District Court (Illinois : Northern District) View: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=232846&disp=Soundex_index_to_naturalization_petition&columns=*,180,0 Authors: United States. District Court (Illinois : Northern District) (Main Author) & United States. Immigration and Naturalization Service (Added Author) Synopsis: "Both District and Circuit Courts in the Northern District of Illinois kept records concurrently until 1911 when the U.S. Circuit Court was abolished. Patrons should check both courts when searching for citizenship records during these years". "Researchers should search records of the court in which the naturalization occurred. Many courts retain custody of these records, others have been transferred to state and municipal archives". You can utilize these alternatives to discover the McDermott's port of embarkation, ship, et al. Good luck! Kathleen Hannum ___________________________________________________________________ --- wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: The problem with the Boston arrivals is there is an 8 1/2 year gap on M277 (which is titled Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Boston MA 1820-1891) The gap is from a April 1874 to 31 Dec 1882. -That is because there are no Federal records of any kind prior to 1883 (due to fire) and State Department copies were used in their place. ____________________________________________________________________ Bill K.: I have, over the last year, meticulously combed the ships arriving to the US during the latter part of 1881 and beginning of 1882 for Michael and Mary McDermott. They were married on 25 April 1881 in Haslingden, Lancashire, England and had their first born, John, on 25 May 1882 in Chicago, IL. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Joann, Yes, the 1900 census states they came over in 1882 and were naturalized. I'm not sure how the directories would help. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joann H. Nichols" <jnichols@sover.net> Date: Sunday, July 2, 2006 21:17 Subject: Re: [TSL] McDermott Emigration To: wm.karr@insightbb.com > Would there be Chicago city directories that could help > you? Does the > 1900 census say the year they arrived? Did they get naturalized? > > Joann Nichols > > wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: > > Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: <The > problem with the Boston arrivals is there is an 8 > 1/2 year gap on M277 (which is titled Passenger Lists of > Vessels Arriving at Boston MA 1820-1891) The gap is from a > April 1874 to 31 Dec 1882. -That is because there are no > Federal records of any kind prior to 1883 (due to fire) > and State Department copies were used in their place.> > > > > I have, over the last year, meticulously combed the ships > arriving to the US during the latter part of 1881 and beginning > of 1882 for Michael and Mary McDermott. They were married on 25 > April 1881 in Haslingden, Lancashire, England and had > their first born, John, on 25 May 1882 in Chicago, IL. > > > > I am assuming they started from Liverpool. I have checked high > and low, but cannot find them together on any ship. I know they > could have come through Canada, but the question is where? I > have checked PEI and Quebec to no avail. I can find Michael and > Mary separately, but not together. However, when I do find them, > the ages don't match (I know that they can lie, but all the ones > I find are younger not older. According to the records I have, > Michael would have been around 26 and Mary around 23. They were > 25 and 22 respectively when they married. > > > > As you are aware, the Ellis Island site would do me no good. > The Castle Garden site gives me them younger and not necessarily > together. The years for their arrival are also off in Castle > Garden. You say that the Boston arrival would be a bust for this > time period. The Philadelphia site is difficult to navigate and > I doubt they came through New Orleans to go to Chicago. Okay, > where do I go from here? > > > > Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA > > > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* A PLACE TO START *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Passenger Lists on The Internet > > > http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~> >

Hello, I have not been able to find any reference to or a passenger list of the ship Ciaconda that arrived in New York on or about December 25th, 1913 from Piraeus, Greece. I have the following documented information to work with and am looking for direction. Evangelos Yeoryiladakis was born in Milos, Greece in 1892. (one of my aunts said he was from Adamas, Greece which is on Milos) His last foreign residence was Canea, Greece (on Crete?) and he emigrated from Piraeus, Greece on or about November 25th 1913 and arrived at the port of New York, State of New York, America on or about December 25th 1913 on the vessel Ciaconda. My Grandfather Evangelos Yeoryiladakis changed his name to Angelos Ladakis in 1923 when he became a citizen of the USA. Angelos Ladakis 1917 WW1 draft registration states he was supporting his mother and two sisters, I do not know if they were in America in 1917. Angelos Ladakis parents were Stilianos Yeoryiladakis & Mariyo Mburmbahaki. I hope to find out if Angelos Ladakis Mother (Mary?) and sisters ( Helen & Anna?) Emigrated with him in 1913 Evangelos Yeoryiladakis (Angelos Ladakis), Steve Damos and James Fitros probably knew each other and came from the same area of Greece. They may have emigrated on the same ship together. Any information or direction pointing for further research will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Bill

(oops, I totally overlooked posting this before July 1) *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for June 2006 is . . . o Fleets new: o Eastern & Australasian Mail Steamship Co. This is another different Fleet for us, sailing from Sydney to Brisbane, Batavia, Singapore and Hong Kong. o Passengers: o barque David Malcolm, from London / Plymouth to Port Adelaide 23rd January 1847 o barque Hermann von Beckerath, from Bremen, Germany to Port Adelaide 15th December 1847 o ship Gellert, from Bremen, Germany to Port Adelaide 20th December 1847 o Quebec - 7th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 5th June 1824 o Quebec - 8th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 13th June 1824 o Quebec - 9th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 19th June 1824 o Quebec - 10th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 30th June 1824 Three 1847 lists for South Australia, all carrying assisted passengers. The David Malcolm list was pretty basic, so I utilized the 1841 England census to spice it up a little, for instance, in families, a plain "Giles Farnham & wife & four children" with a young man in single men also called Giles and a young woman in single women called Ruth, was easily identified as this family . . . Giles Farnham & wife (Caroline) & four children, (Cain, Able, Harriott, Mary Ann) Stockland, Dorset The other two 1847 lists have assisted passengers from Bremen to South Australia, which posed another set of problems for our transcriber, Robert with lists of German names compiled by an English speaker. There was actually quite a large German emigration to South Australia, although not all stayed there, but migrated to Victoria and Queensland. Many who did stay (although I don't think the 1847 emigrants particularly) became the first vintners of the wonderful South Australian wines, even bringing vines with them. Four more lists for steamboat Quebec for 1824. The "settlers" are now showing up in pretty good numbers. I'm sure anyone researching 1824 immigrants, for instance . . . Robin Armstrong & wife & three children above 12 years, or, Thomas Crone & wife & seven children under 12 years, or, James Hangan & three brothers & one sister, (inc.) three siblings above 12 & two children under 12 years, or, George Coombs & wife & six children, four above 12 & two under 12 years, or, Mrs. McCambridge & Paddy McCambridge & Sheelah McCambridge, plus many many Grier, Greir, Greer families and family members (spelled all 3 ways), will have a field day :-} (just to name a few) Of the settlers arriving at Quebec then taking the steamboats to Montreal (not just 1824), many stayed in Canada, but many also continued to the US, some right away and others migrating at a later date. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: <The problem with the Boston arrivals is there is an 8 1/2 year gap on M277 (which is titled Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Boston MA 1820-1891) The gap is from a April 1874 to 31 Dec 1882. -That is because there are no Federal records of any kind prior to 1883 (due to fire) and State Department copies were used in their place.> I have, over the last year, meticulously combed the ships arriving to the US during the latter part of 1881 and beginning of 1882 for Michael and Mary McDermott. They were married on 25 April 1881 in Haslingden, Lancashire, England and had their first born, John, on 25 May 1882 in Chicago, IL. I am assuming they started from Liverpool. I have checked high and low, but cannot find them together on any ship. I know they could have come through Canada, but the question is where? I have checked PEI and Quebec to no avail. I can find Michael and Mary separately, but not together. However, when I do find them, the ages don't match (I know that they can lie, but all the ones I find are younger not older. According to the records I have, Michael would have been around 26 and Mary around 23. They were 25 and 22 respectively when they married. As you are aware, the Ellis Island site would do me no good. The Castle Garden site gives me them younger and not necessarily together. The years for their arrival are also off in Castle Garden. You say that the Boston arrival would be a bust for this time period. The Philadelphia site is difficult to navigate and I doubt they came through New Orleans to go to Chicago. Okay, where do I go from here? Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA

Hi Barbara, At 09:15 AM 2006-07-02 -0400, Nsambradley@aol.com wrote: >Hi Lorine, Thank you. I wasn't aware of that. It explains >a lot. I was also trying to find SSAustrian that was suppose to have >arrived in Boston in the mid-late 1880-1890 or so. > >Barbara The AUSTRIAN was also an Allan Line ship . . . description & voyage history http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsAA.html and in the late 1880s was sailing from Glasgow & Londonderry & Galway to Boston. By 1889 she was sailing to South America (until 1893) so it looks like you can narrow your search to pre early 1889 time-frame. Her description doesn't mention Boston arrivals 1885-1888, but she was still stopping there as well as Philadelphia through to 1889. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/