Kathleen, Many of the records from Almshouses and Workhouses are in various archives in England. You might try http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/ or http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ Regards.. Marj At 05:10 PM 7/15/2006, Kathleen wrote: >Hi Lorine, > >Do you know of any Almshouse Registries or Almshouse >Records for emigration from England to Canada or to >the U.S., year 1851? Doesn't necessarily have to be >on-line. Any books, too, or microfilm availability >with designation of Almshouse/Poorhouse? > >Did the churches of England (no matter which >denomination) keep records of church and/or >parish-sponsored emigrations for their charitable >sponsorship (with date of departure, etc.) ? Could >passengers emigrate with a group name instead of >individually be listed on a passenger manifest in year >1851? > >A lot of questions, I know... >Thanks much in advance! > >Kathleen Hannum >____________________________________________________________________ > >--- Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: > >... The Almshouse Records start at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm > >... Also check online ships and links to ships in this > time period starting att > >http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny182549.shtml > >... Also see AlmsHouse Registers 1855-1858 - >Information > for each individual includes ship name, date of >arrival, > ports of departure and arrival > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm > > Lorine > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze > > * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ > * Naturalization Records > http://naturalizationrecords.com/ > * Images of Ships Lists > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Dear Marj, That's good information to know and follow up on. Thank you - I appreciate your time! Regards, Kathleen Hannum _____________________________________________________ --- Marj Kohli wrote: Kathleen, Many of the records from Almshouses and Workhouses are in various archives in England. You might try http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/ or http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ Regards.. Marj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On 15|7|06 8:36 pm, "TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com" <TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:29:09 -0300 > To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TSL] SS Canada 1924 > > Hello Aodh, > > At 07:10 PM 2006-07-13 -0300, Aodh O Canainn wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am carrying out research on my father, Hugh Canning, who went to Quebec on >> the SS Canada in August 1924. He joined the vessel by the tender from >> Belfast and boarded it about 11.30 am on Sunday 12th August 1924. It arrived >> in Quebec on Sunday 19th August 1924 at about 10.00 am. > > The Dominion Line and White Star-Dominion Line ship CANADA had these August > arrivals in 1923 and 1924. I included 1923 as the arrival date is closer > to what you have written . . also, Sunday the 19th of August was in 1923, > so Quebec on August 19th and Montreal August 20th fit very well with an > August 12th departure date. In 1924 the closest Sunday dates in August, > were the 17th and the 24th. > > Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information > CANADA Liverpool, England Quebec, Que. 1923-08-19 / Montreal, Que. > 1923-08-20 > CANADA Liverpool, England Quebec, Que. 1924-08-15 / Montreal, Que. > 1924-08-16 > > There is no passenger lists in the form of the "big-sheet" manifest which > we are all used to, rather, for the period 1919-1924 there were single > manifest sheets for each passenger called Form 30A > http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#1924 > > Form 30A records are ALL ports for the whole period 1919-1924 and are > in the form of a single manifest sheet for each passenger. The reels > will include all years mixed in together, but they are NOT in strict > alphabetical order, so make sure you scroll right through until you find > who you are searching. As Form 30A reels contain ALL Canadian arrivals 1919 > to 1924, they will also include those who arrived via a US port, but stated > their intention to proceed directly to Canada. Sue, I am very grateful for your very helpful reply. First of all you are quite right about the year, i.e. 1923. I will now ask the National Library in Dublin to request an ILL of the microfilm which you specified. It's a pity that "big-sheet" manifests were replaced by single manifest sheets for the period in question. Perhaps I can find a record of all the passengers from the White Star files if they exist. Failing that there might be records of the Emigration Service or whatever organisation looked after the Harvester scheme. Thanks for introducing me to the Canadian Library and Archive site which is excellent. Regards Aodh

TheShipsList-L/D- Am I on the right List for NORTHUMBERLAND Mariners? please. Regards, Mary shortis@nnsw.quik.com.au

Pearl Wilson <ur052556@a1.com.au> posted: >> Is it possible to obtain a record of cause of death for Mrs. Halcrow and child on board this ship which left London 4th. September, 1855, arrived Sydney Australia 13th. December, 1855? >> Unfortunately the Board of Trade Registers of deaths at sea only begin in 1855 and only a minority of deaths were recorded in the first few years, so I think it unlikely the deaths will be listed. I don't recall Prince of Wales among the ships but I will take a look when I can. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

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At 11:57 AM 2006-07-16 -0300, Pearl Wilson wrote: >To whom it may concern, > >Is it possible to obtain a record of cause of death for Mrs. Halcrow >and child on board this ship which left London 4th. September, 1855, >arrived Sydney Australia 13th. December, 1855? Hello Pearl, Harry Dodsworth may be able to point you towards possible "death at sea" records. As her "child" also died, might she have died in child birth ? I found the arrival report and voyage report in the Sydney Shipping Gazette. She also carried an extensive cargo (which report I haven't extracted) which can be found on page 274. The Shipping gazette and Sydney general trade list. http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html Volume 12, Number 606 (17 December, 1855) Page 274-275 Arrivals: December 14:-- Prince of Wales, barque, 582 tons, Captain Nolan, from London 5th September. Passengers: Rev. D.P.M. Hulbert M.A., & Mrs. Hulbert and family (4), Mrs. Lewis, Misses Lewis (3), Miss Thompson, Captain Boaze, Mr. & Mrs. Chapman, Mr. & Mrs. Taylor & family (2), Mrs. Boaze, Miss Noster, Masters Halcrow (3), Messrs. Keele, Fitzgerald and Burrows. at Macnamara's Wharf ; Kirchner & Co., agents. The Prince of Wales arrived on Friday, from London, after a fair passage of 100 days, considering the very heavy weather she has had to encounter. On one occasion, in latitude 51.30 S., longitude 34 E., on the 8th November, while scudding in a heavy gale, a sea hit the ship on the starboard side, carrying away nine stauncheons, the topgallant bulwarks, and starboard quarter gallery, and stern plank, besides other damage, and Captain Nolan was compelled to throw 20 tons of cargo overboard to lighten the vessel. The upper works on the starboard side are completely destroyed, and it was most fortunate that the accident was not attended by greater loss. One of the passengers, named Mrs. Halcrow, and her child, died during the passage, as also an infant of the Rev. Mr. Hulbert. No vessels are reported as having been spoken. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

To whom it may concern, Is it possible to obtain a record of cause of death for Mrs. Halcrow and child on board this ship which left London 4th. September, 1855, arrived Sydney Australia 13th. December, 1855? Mrs. P. Wilson

Hello Grace, You can find a lot of info and photo of the NEW WORLD at http://www.eraoftheclipperships.com/page5web.html regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "GRACE H JOHNSON" <amagrano1@juno.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: [TSL] "New World" ship > Can anyone please tell me where I can go to find a detailed description > about this ship . Possibly a picture too. She came in to New York about > May 25th 1868 with mdse and 267 passengers. Then left NY. July 23, 1868 > for London. She was a sail ship.Some of my relatives came over on it. > Thank you amagrano1 @juno.com > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > REMEMBER - Posts to the list and/or digest MUST be sent to: > TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Dear Sue, You found an answer very quick, as I knew you would! Thank you for the details, I had always wondered how I can find my way in Steve Morse. I know it is like the magic source to everything, but I was baffled by the long list of items. Now I did what I should have done from the beginning, I clicked : About this Website and how to use it and I see it gives me all these wonderful roads to follow and turns to take. Quite splendid! Well, I was wondering if that young man SZER may not after all be a (TEN)SZER, most of the details correspond. But on the passenger list (with your information I could find that, yes) I see he travelled with other members of his family and the names of his mother and of his father do not seem to correspond with what I know already. Still, I asked the son who lives in America if he recognises any of the other names. Till then I haven't got the right answer and I may have to come back to you! I hope this is read also by Ted and Harry, thank you both for giving me the details of the Kaiserin Augusta Victoria. I notice that the Brits, when they took her over and re-named her, let her keep her title of Empress, even giving her another country to rule over. All the best to you, the best bunch of people I know. Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "Jan Bousse" <janbousse@skynet.be>; <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Vessel Victoria arr. NY 1921 > At 03:36 PM 2006-07-15 +0200, Jan Bousse wrote: >>Hello, >> >>In an application for naturalization the arrival was declared of Sigmund >>(perhaps Shmuel) TENCER, from Lodz, Poland, in New York on January 15, >>1920, on the vessel K.A. Victoria from Danzig. The man would have been >>born in Lodz in 1901 or 1902. I can't find the vessel nor the arrival. Can >>someone find it for me? In fact, I have some doubts about these data. It >>may well be that in fact the arrival was in Canada, around that time. I >>hope I am not asking too much. >> >>Thanks anyway. >> >>Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium. > > Hi Jan, > > I think it must be the Kaiserin Auguste Victoria, but in 1920 she was > sailing from Liverpool to New York under charter to Cunard. She had been > surrendered to Britain in March 1919. > > There was a January 10th 1921 New York arrival, but from Liverpool. As > we've learned from many list members, the actual year of arrival is the > most misremembered part of the date. If he only applied for > naturalization, but never actually naturalized, then that could explain > why, if they couldn't find him in January 1920 on that ship. If he did > leave from Danzig, then he could have taken a feeder-ship to England to > embark in Liverpool ? > > I had a look at Ellis Island partial ship name Kaiserin Aug and > first name begins S last name begins T arrival date range 1918-1922 > and he didn't pop out. Maybe he was using a last name beginning with "T" > or maybe it was mistranscribed as another letter. Unfortunately when I > tried to search without the first letter of a last name, the search bogged > down, but I was able to grab this one, so it does indicate there were > Polish people aboard that Jan 1921 trip from Liverpool > > First Name: Scholem > Last Name: Szer > Ethnicity: Poland, Hebrew > Last Place of Residence: Lodz, Poland > Date of Arrival: Jan 10, 1921 > Age at Arrival: 17 Gender: M Marital Status: S > Ship of Travel: Kaiserin Auguste Victoria > Port of Departure: Liverpool > Manifest Line Number: 0022 > > I use Steve Morse's one-step pages > http://www.stevemorse.org/ > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/

Mary (shortis@nnsw.quik.com.au) posted: > Am I on the right List for NORTHUMBERLAND Mariners? please. While a wide section of maritime topics are discussed on TheShipsList, the main focus of the list is on emigrant ships and emigration. Mariners list is better for questions about mariners (including Northumberland), ships (general), Navy, and other topics related to the sea. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Correction on the ss RUGIA arrival date. It should be June 13, 1891. Sorry for the typo. Steve Pickholtz

I'm trying to find a Joseph DICKHOL(t)Z. My information say he arrived in NYC on board the ss RUGIA, on June 6, 1891, from Hamberg. I haven't been able to locate these records. Can someone help? Steve Pickholtz Tabernacle, NJ

note: TheShipsList website is quite slow-loading today for some reason .....!! *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for July 2006 is . . . o Arrivals: o Ship Arrivals at the Port of Saint John, July 1847 (updated) We have been neglecting our 1847 Project a bit, so here is July 1847, New Brunswick, with some additions. We still have to add August, September and October. o Passengers: o Lists from Sydney to San Francisco 1849-1851 (updated) o St. Lawrence Steamboat Co. Passenger Records Pt. 1 - 1819-1825: o Quebec - 11th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 4th July 1824 o Quebec - 12th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 10th July 1824 o Quebec - 13th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 18th July 1824 o Quebec - 14th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 24th July 1824 o Quebec - 15th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 1st August 1824 I've added several 1850 lists from Sydney, Australia, to San Franciso. I suspect that many were headed to the goldfields. Whether they were born or had lived in Australia for some time is not known . . . maybe some had recently gotten off a ship from England and were headed to California to make their fortune ?? I wonder whether they headed back to Australian goldfields a year + later ?? Five more lists for steamboat Quebec for 1824. Once again some interesting lists, especially August 1st 1824, as I found this group of fourteen . . . 82-83 R. Owen & W. Aldgate x x 2/-/- 84-93 John Tate & wife & eight children, seven above 12 & one child under 12 years x x 4/15/- 94-95 John & Emma Haworth x x 1/-/- . . . whose fare and victualing was payable by Irvine, McNaught & Co., Quebec. They must have arrived at Quebec aboard the schooner Gleadon, from Hull, as Irvine and Co. were the Agents, with coincidently 14 passengers had arrived on July 30th. We have had other instances where the ships' Agents were Irvine, McNaught & Co. and they had also paid the steamboat fare for their passengers. (a prime example being from 1819, with the . . Aug 22 Ship Harmony Henry Mossop 58 days Oban, Scotland 253 settlers (to) Irvine, McNaught & Co. in ballast and the Aug 22 Bark Hope Ninian Warden 58 days Oban, Scotland 164 settlers (to) Irvine, McNaught & Co. in ballast were aboard the steamboat New Swiftsure on August 26th 1819). I sure wish other Agents had also done this. Of the settlers arriving at Quebec then taking the steamboats to Montreal (not just 1824), many stayed in Canada, but many also continued to the US, some right away and others migrating at a later date. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Thank you very much, Ted. I see I made a mistake in the subject line, the alleged arrival was in 1920, not 1921. But I gave the correct date in the text. Now comes the problem. According to your description, January 1920 seems to be impossible as date for that arrival. You quote: "in March 1919 she surrendered to Britain and was chartered to the US Shipping Board who used her to repatriate troops from Europe. On 14th Feb.1920 she was chartered to "Cunard who used her on their Liverpool - NY service and on 13th May 1921 she was sold to Canadian Pacific who renamed her EMPRESS OF SCOTLAND." Could she have made a trip to New York in January 1920 under her old name? Did she travel from Liverpool to NY as the Kaiserin Augusta Victoria? Can you tell me the various arrivals in NY in 1920 and 1921? I did not find that arrival on Ellis Island, perhaps I'll have to have another look. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Jan Bousse" <janbousse@skynet.be>; <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Vessel Victoria arr. NY 1921 > Hello Jan, > > This was the KAISERIN AUGUSTA VICTORIA. Details at > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsK.html > > regards > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Bousse" <janbousse@skynet.be> > To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:36 PM > Subject: [TSL] Vessel Victoria arr. NY 1921 > > >> Hello, >> >> In an application for naturalization the arrival was declared of Sigmund >> (perhaps Shmuel) TENCER, from Lodz, Poland, in New York on January 15, >> 1920, on the vessel K.A. Victoria from Danzig. The man would have been >> born in Lodz in 1901 or 1902. I can't find the vessel nor the arrival. >> Can someone find it for me? In fact, I have some doubts about these data. >> It may well be that in fact the arrival was in Canada, around that time. >> I hope I am not asking too much. >> >> Thanks abyway. >> >> Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium.

Seeking help in finding sites to investigate for determining the ship that FREIDERICH WILHELM BREFORD/BREFORT/BREVORT,age abt 23 and traveling companion ANNA MARIE ELISBETH EHLERT/EILERS age abt 22, traveled on from Bremen/Bremerhaven to the US. Arrival was before Oct 21, 1846 at which time they were married in Cincinnatti, OH. They lived in Herringhausen/Hinterbruch of Arenshorster near Bohmte, Germany. Thanks Frank Jurenka

Hello, In an application for naturalization the arrival was declared of Sigmund (perhaps Shmuel) TENCER, from Lodz, Poland, in New York on January 15, 1920, on the vessel K.A. Victoria from Danzig. The man would have been born in Lodz in 1901 or 1902. I can't find the vessel nor the arrival. Can someone find it for me? In fact, I have some doubts about these data. It may well be that in fact the arrival was in Canada, around that time. I hope I am not asking too much. Thanks abyway. Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium.

Was there anyone with family or relatives that arrived on the USS Tripoli at the Port of New York - 3 April 1866 - from Liverpool-Queenstown??? (This is an on going effort) Steve tierneys@verizon.net

Hello Jan, This was the KAISERIN AUGUSTA VICTORIA. Details at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsK.html regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Bousse" <janbousse@skynet.be> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: [TSL] Vessel Victoria arr. NY 1921 > Hello, > > In an application for naturalization the arrival was declared of Sigmund > (perhaps Shmuel) TENCER, from Lodz, Poland, in New York on January 15, > 1920, on the vessel K.A. Victoria from Danzig. The man would have been > born in Lodz in 1901 or 1902. I can't find the vessel nor the arrival. Can > someone find it for me? In fact, I have some doubts about these data. It > may well be that in fact the arrival was in Canada, around that time. I > hope I am not asking too much. > > Thanks abyway. > > Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium. > > > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > TheShipsList Searchable Archives Database > http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/by+date > TheShipsList RootsWeb Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TheShipsList/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Hi Lorine, Do you know of any Almshouse Registries or Almshouse Records for emigration from England to Canada or to the U.S., year 1851? Doesn't necessarily have to be on-line. Any books, too, or microfilm availability with designation of Almshouse/Poorhouse? Did the churches of England (no matter which denomination) keep records of church and/or parish-sponsored emigrations for their charitable sponsorship (with date of departure, etc.) ? Could passengers emigrate with a group name instead of individually be listed on a passenger manifest in year 1851? A lot of questions, I know... Thanks much in advance! Kathleen Hannum ____________________________________________________________________ --- Olive Tree Genealogy <otg@csolve.net> wrote: ... The Almshouse Records start at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm ... Also check online ships and links to ships in this time period starting att http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny182549.shtml ... Also see AlmsHouse Registers 1855-1858 - Information for each individual includes ship name, date of arrival, ports of departure and arrival http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com