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    1. Brock-Scotland > Canada - 1820
    2. Richard and Mary Lynn Armstrong
    3. John Jamieson, born in Glasgow, Scotland ca 1780; travelled with his wife, Mary West, 40 years old and 5 children, Mary, John, Robert, George and Janet; settled in Lanark Twp., Canada west; sailed from Greenock, Scotland on board the Brock on July 13, 1820 and arrived in Quebec on August 20, 1820. What was John Jamieson's (senior) birth date?

    08/07/2006 08:51:16
    1. SS African Star
    2. Maureen
    3. Hi, I am looking for information on the ship the SS African Star, and wonder if you know anything about her? I know that she sailed to South Africa in 1948, and thats about all I know. If you can help with any details whatsoever, please contact me. Many thanks Maureen Firmani

    08/07/2006 05:38:39
    1. Re: [TSL] Ships from Kaliningrad to any east coast of Norway port
    2. Harry Dodsworth
    3. Ed Jaffee <eljaffee@verizon.net> posted: >> Do you have any information on what shipping line, and possibly what ships, might have sailed/steamed from the Russian Lithuania port of Kaliningrad, across the Baltic Sea to any port on the east coast of Norway? I'm particularly interested in the month of May 1897. And if I may, one more query: any information on what line and what ships sailed/steamed from Betgen, Norway, on the North Sea, to Southampton, England, in the same month? >> Kaliningrad has only been in Russia since 1945. Before that it was known as Konigsberg and had been in Prussia, Germany for several hundred years. I don't think it was ever in Lithuania. I don't know of any regular service between Konigsberg and Norway although small ships were always criss-crossing the Baltic Sea. To travel from Bergen, Norway to Southampton would probably have involved crossing from Bergen to Hull by Wilson Line steamer and then a rail journey in England. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

    08/07/2006 04:12:51
    1. Geneaology
    2. beckysmusic
    3. Do you know anything about a Ship called Eliza, that sailed from Plymouth England on Novvember 30 1852 arrived at Portland,Victoria Australia on April 9 1853, August Bollhoefer was suppose to have been on that Ship, but I can't find Him from 1853 to 1858, 1858 is when the family says that He had came to the United States from Germany,so far I have had no luck in finding Him and His family.I do know that in 1860 He had gotten married in Ohio, Had 4 Children there and then had bought property in Grant County Indiana in 1868,then moved in the House He had built there in 1869, and had lived there until His death in1924.This Man's name was August Bollhoefer.Would appreciate any information. Thanks beckysmusic@sbcglobal.net

    08/06/2006 04:10:32
    1. Ships from Kaliningrad to any east coast of Norway port
    2. Ed Jaffee
    3. Hi Sue, Do you have any information on what shipping line, and possibly what ships, might have sailed/steamed from the Russian Lithuania port of Kaliningrad, across the Baltic Sea to any port on the east coast of Norway? I'm particularly interested in the month of May 1897. And if I may, one more query: any information on what line and what ships sailed/steamed from Betgen, Norway, on the North Sea, to Southampton, England, in the same month? Many thanks, Sue. I still don't know how you find the time to do all you do, but thanks so much in any case. Best, Ed Jaffee eljaffee@verizon.net (a new e-mail address)

    08/06/2006 04:09:29
    1. 1700's Immigration
    2. Barbara Phillips
    3. Good Evening, I am looking for some information on an Ancestor whom I think came to the states in about the 1760. His name is Nicholas Phillips born 1752. I have found one person that is a possible match who came here in 1761and landed in Frederick Co., Maryland. Does anyone know how to get more information on the early settlers? I am not honestly sure if this is my Nicholas or not. My Nicholas settled in Virginia and had 2 Sons John Nicholas (born 1774 Virginia)and Peter. They married 2 sisters Mary Polly and Sarah Wilson daughters of Ebenezer Wilson. I haven't a clue as to what ship he came over on either. If anybody has any ideas, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net

    08/06/2006 12:24:21
    1. Re: [TSL] searching relatives on ships
    2. Sue Swiggum
    3. Hi Denise, At 07:29 PM 2006-08-03 -0300, neeze37 wrote: >Hi, my 2 great aunts came as british home children in 1905 onboard the >SS Canada, would you be the person i would contact to find out how to >find a picture of the boat,with thanks, Denise Stretton Was it one of these trips ? Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks T-485 CANADA Liverpool, England 1905-08-24 Quebec, Que. 1905-09-01 / Montreal, Que. 1905-09-02 (DOM) Dominion Line (British and North Atlantic steam Navigation Co. Ltd., Liverpool, U.K. (D): Mrs. Joyces' party of Domestics (33) & (J): boys & girls from Liverpool Sheltering Homes, to Mrs. Birt's house, Knowlton, Que. (35) List Number: 415123; Captain R.O. Jones T-485 CANADA Liverpool, England 1905-09-28 Quebec, Que. 1905-10-07 / Montreal, Que. (DOM) Dominion Line (British and North Atlantic steam Navigation Co. Ltd., Liverpool, U.K. (D): Mrs. Joyces' party of Domestics (51) & (J): Dr. Barnardo's party, London boys (82) to Toronto & girls (89) to Peterboro'; Mrs. Clare Butterworth 41; Mrs. Alice Walker 40; Mabel Walker 18 & Mrs. Manning in charge List Number: 426065; Captain R.O. Jones; ship arrived in port 1905-10-06 It seems you likely have a copy of the passenger list, or maybe a list of passengers, so just want to know about the ship. She was a Dominion Line ship. That shipping line carried many "Home Children." We have the description and voyage history of CANADA 1896 here . . . http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsC.html Here is a picture of CANADA in the ice http://www.theshipslist.com/pictures/canada1896.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

    08/03/2006 03:31:06
    1. searching relatives on ships
    2. neeze37
    3. Hi, my 2 great aunts came as british home children in 1905 onboard the SS Canada, would you be the person i would contact to find out how to find a picture of the boat,with thanks, Denise Stretton

    08/03/2006 01:29:33
    1. Re: [TSL] Re: TheShipsList SS California and SS Austrian
    2. Olive Tree Genealogy
    3. On 1 Aug 2006 at 17:53, Nsambradley@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have any information/ passenger lists etc on the > SS Calfornia 1893 from Glascow I think. Not sure if it > arrived in NY or Boston. I'd like to find out once and for > all who was on that ship. If it arrived in New York you can find it on the Ellis Island database online. Ellis Island records are online and free to all. They include ships to New York from 1892-1924 You should use Steve Morse's one-step search engine to search this set of records, at http://stevemorse.org/ There is a quick tutorial on how best to use the search engines at http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Click on "Oddities of Searching Ellis Island! What have you found? " > > Also the SS Austrian : Passengers from Ireland, particular > surnames of O'Donnell, Bradely, Doherty, and those from Co > Donegal and Co Cork. Again I'm not sure where it arrived. > I was told Boston, but could be NY around 1883-1900 time > frame. I know those are a lot of years but I can't seem > to find any help that would shorten that gap. > Ditto for this ship. If it arrived in New York AFTER 1892 it will be in Ellis Island database. So why not try to elimate years and/or Ports of arrival by searching first online? Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

    08/03/2006 10:51:52
    1. Re: [TSL] Information about some ships
    2. Ted Finch
    3. Hello Rodrigo, Here is all I have on your ships - CAMPOS 4,663 gross tons, passenger ship, length 114.6m x beam 14.0m, one funnel, two masts, speed 10.5 knots, accommodation for 24-1st and 440-3rd class passengers. Built 1895 by Blohm & Voss, Hamburg as the ASUNCION for Hamburg South America Line. 4th Aug.1914 sheltered at Santos and subsequently requisitioned as a supply ship for the German cruiser KARLSRUHE. 2nd Nov.1914 arrived at Para with captured British crews from KARLSRUHE. Subsequently laid up at Para. 1st Jun.1917 seized by Brazilian Government and renamed CAMPOS (managed by Lloyd Brasileiro). 1926 sold to Lloyd Brasileiro. 23rd Oct.1943 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.170 off Alcatrassas Island near Santos with loss of 16 crew. Photo in book Hamburg South America Line by A. Kludas, ISBN 0-905617-50-9 COMANDANTE PESSOA 5,104 g.t., length 390ft x beam 54.2ft, cargo ship, speed 11 knots. Built 1919 by American International Shipbuilding Corp, Hog Island, Pa as the CLIFFWOOD for US Shipping Board, Seattle. 1930 sold to American Scantic Line (Moore & McCormack Ltd), New York. 1938 renamed MORMACSEA. 1940 sold to Lloyd Brasileiro renamed COMANDANTE PESSOA. 2nd Oct.1954 struck rocks and sank 10 miles off Cabo Sao Roque while on Brazilian coastal voyage with salt. RIO NEGRO (2) no information. THEREZINA 3,034 gross ton passenger / cargo ship, length 318.8ft x beam 45ft, speed 10 knots. Built 1905 as the SIEGMUND by Irvine's Shipbuilding & Drydock Co, West Hartlepool for Dampschiffsrhederei "Union" AG, Hamburg. 1907 sold to Hamburg America Line, Hamburg. Aug.1914 laid up at Santos. 1st Jun.1917 seized by Brazilian Government renamed THEREZINA. 1st Feb.1919 wrecked on San Sebastian Island on voyage Rio de Janeiro to Antwerp with coffee. TOCANTINS 3,837 gross tons cargo ship, length 340ft x beam 46.5ft, speed 9 knots. Built 1901 by J. Blumer & Co, Sunderland as the RAS BERA for Ras Steam Shipping Co (Grahams & Co), London. 1908 sold to Buarque Line (E. Ribeiro), London renamed TOCANTINS. 1911 sold to Lloyd Brasileiro. 30th Aug.1933 struck rocks and sank off Queimada Grande near Santos on voyage Sao Francisco to Rio de Janeiro with timber. Hope this helps Ted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Gherardi" <rodrigo@scafo.com.br> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: [TSL] Information about some ships > Hello S. Swiggum > > I'm looking for more information or pictures of the following ships listed > in > the Brazil Lloyd: > > - CAMPOS, ex- Asuncion, 1917 seized from Hamburg South America Line by > Brazilian Government renamed Campos, 1922 purchased by Lloyd Brasileiro, > 23rd > Oct.1943 torpedoed and sunk by U.170 near Santos. > > - COMANDANTE PESSOA, ex- Mormacsea, 1940 purchased from American Scantic > Line, > NY renamed Comandante Pessoa. 2nd Sep.1954 struck rocks and sank off Cabo > Sao > Roque, Brazil. > > - RIO NEGRO (2), 1890 purchased, 17th July 1893 wrecked off Santos. > > - Therezina, ex- Siegmund, 1917 seized from Hamburg America Line by > Brazilian > Government renamed Therezina, 1st Feb.1919 wrecked on San Sebatian Island. > > - TOCANTINS, 1911 purchased from Buarque Line (E. Ribeiro), London, 1933 > struck rocks and sank near Santos. > > Thank you very much for your attention, and i hope you have something else > about this ships so we can do business. > > Rodrigo Gherardi > > ------------------------------------------------- > WebMail Litoral Internet > www.litoral.com.br > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:TheShipsList-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:TheShipsList-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Leave Subject Line empty * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > >

    08/03/2006 05:36:02
    1. UK to USA (via Canada?)
    2. Chris Moore
    3. Hi All Am trying to find when and how an ancestor, Elizabeth Harriet Gee, emigrated from the UK to eventually arrive in North Ogen, Weber County, Utah, USA. She was born in England in Dec 1875 and according to the US census arrived in the US in 1907. The following year she married William Youngman (who was also born in England) in North Ogden. On the 1930 census Elizabeth stated that she was born c1881 and William c1876. The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his brother but they were sent back to England. Their second attempt to enter the States through Canada was successful. However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I go about finding any records, and what are my chances of success? Chris

    08/03/2006 05:12:28
    1. Re: [TSL] UK to USA (via Canada?)
    2. Sue Swiggum
    3. Hi Chris, At 11:12 AM 2006-08-03 +0100, Chris Moore wrote: >Hi All > >Am trying to find when and how an ancestor, Elizabeth Harriet Gee, >emigrated from the UK to eventually arrive in North Ogen, Weber County, >Utah, USA. > >She was born in England in Dec 1875 and according to the US census arrived >in the US in 1907. The following year she married William Youngman (who >was also born in England) in North Ogden. On the 1930 census Elizabeth >stated that she was born c1881 and William c1876. I think you have a lot of info from the census records (I looked at 1910 & 1920 too, and they agree 100% with 1930). Don't forget that census info is age next birthday, so where they have Harriet ca. 1882, that seems to squarely place her birth year at 1881. People were known to lie, even on marriage certificates. My ggrandfather was 10 years older than his wife, but lost 4 years for his marriage and the birth of their children, but he gained them back on his death certificate. If you have proof she was born in 1875, then maybe she told William she was younger . . amazing that she remembered consistantly for so many years . . great memory. The 1930 census does state that she was 26 and William 31, when they married. Simple subtraction makes that 1908, however seeing it was "age next birthday" for the census, it could be 1907 ! As they both consistantly show emigration year as 1907, they may have been married in England, so you may be looking for an Elizabeth Youngman, rather than a Gee. >The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his brother but they >were sent back to England. Their second attempt to enter the States >through Canada was successful. >However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. > >Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I go about >finding any records, and what are my chances of success? It would be strange that they would be sent back from Canada, as they were British, but they may have been denied entry by the US for something such as LPC. ...LPC, stands for "Likely Public Charge." The LPC exclusion was introduced to US immigration law in 1891 and was the most common cause of detention and grounds for exclusion/deportation. Immigrants were most likely considered a likely public charge if they had little money AND no family, friends, or prospects, OR if they were disabled in some way that would prevent them from earning their own living. The majority of LPC exclusions were overcome during the Special Inquiry process, usually when friends, family, or some Immigrant Aid organization came and vouched for the person or posted a bond for them. ... My suggestion is to work backward to the Canadian record. As you have some indication that at least William arrived via Canada, then go to the CAN-US border records, the St. Albans lists. Begin with the index for the passenger manifests for the CAN-US border records, the St. Albans lists. US via Canada http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#St.Albans M-1461 Soundex Index to Canadian Border Entries through the St. Albans, VT, District After you locate the NARA microfilm number, make sure you check the link called "Immigration Microfilm CATalog Converter" to check the LDS film numbers for the same microfilm. The card index will tell you lots of details should you locate William & / or Elizabeth. If you find him / them, you will be pointed toward the arrival manifest NARA M-1464, which will tell you the ship and port of arrival, so then you can also go after the Canadian record for the same arrival. If they did arrive via Canada in transit to the US, you stand to be able to acquire 3 documents for him / them, because with ship name, British port of departure (probably Liverpool) and date of departure, you can then take a trip to Kew to search their British outbound lists. Those are original documents, unindexed and unfilmed, so with specific information even if you have to hire a researcher if you can't go to London yourself, it will keep the cost down. :-} Both the Canadian arrival records and the US border index and passenger manifests are available through the LDS, so you should be able to have them brought to your local LDS Family History Centre. You can be thankful you are searching for Youngman and / or Gee, rather than Smith or Jones. :-} Good luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

    08/03/2006 04:07:58
    1. Re: [TSL] UK to USA (via Canada?)
    2. Olive Tree Genealogy
    3. On 3 Aug 2006 at 11:12, Chris Moore wrote: > The story goes that William emigrated to Canada with his > brother but they were sent back to England. Their second > attempt to enter the States through Canada was successful. > However I do not know if Elizabeth arrived the same way. > > Without knowing the ports of departure or arrival how do I > go about finding any records, and what are my chances of > success? So you are looking for Canadian arrivals between 1876 and 1907? The National Archives of Canada (NAC) holds immigration records from 1865 to 1935. Unfortunately the records before 1925 are not indexed. To find a passenger you will need to know an exact date of arrival. There is no easy way to search Canadian arrival records for the unindexed period other than reading microfilm. Ships are on the reel, in order of arrival. You can find the details at this URL http://www.archives.ca/02/020202_e.html If you want to order filmed passenger lists (remember they aren't indexed!), a list of NAC microfilm numbers for passenger lists to Canada 1865-1922 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_can1865.shtml If you are patient, you will soon (?) be able to search these unindexed years! Library and Archives Canada plans to digitize passenger lists for 1865 to 1935 as part of their new Moving Here, Staying Here online exhibition at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/immigrants/index-e.html ********************** What's Available Online in Passenger Lists If you want to try your luck searching transcribed ships passenger lists online, passenger lists for Ships to Canada after 1865 are freely available at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml Nanaimo Family History Society has a Passenger List Indexing Project for 1900-1921 online at http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/ ********************** There are search engines to search online free databases on multiple websites for ships to Canada at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml The Ontario Archives has an index to the assisted immigration registers created by the Toronto Emigrant Office between 1865 and 1883. Over 29,000 entries have been transcribed from the registers. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm ********************** Miscellaneous Websites with Immigration Information on Ships to Canada after 1865 The Ships List http://www.theshipslist.com/ Ships Passenger Lists Online http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ Finding Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://shipslists-online.rootschat.net/canada/ Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 1865-1930 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1865-now.shtml -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

    08/03/2006 01:44:42
    1. Re: g-mother Caroline; g-gfather Hans
    2. Sue Swiggum
    3. Hi Bill, It helps if you "quote" what I'd written, to jog my memory :-} At 05:59 PM 2006-07-31 -0700, bill treumann wrote: >Hi Sue Swiggum - Thanks so much for your info about >two men named Hans Olsen. In 1868 my Hans Olsen >probably went from port of entry Milwaukee to Eau >Claire County rather than Prairie du Chien or Winona, >both further west, but a few years later he and >relatives became farmers in Polk County, Wisconsin, >closer to Prairie du Chiene and Winona. Still later >they moved to Dakota Territory but I don't think they >ever had any connection with intervening locations. I had said this below, in part, in response to you looking for a "Hans Olsen" in June 1868 departing Norway on the feeder-ship ARGO and arriving via the port of Milwaukee. _______________ The Norwegian Digitalarkivet records for 1868 aren't complete, but I found these two Hans Olsen registered to leave Christiania on the ARGO . . . . which one is him? The one from Jevnager travelling to Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin? If so, was he travelling with a brother ? 1868 Juni 04 Hans Olsen Flatla m 1850 Jevnager Prairie La Chion Norge Argo 1868 Juni 04 Birger Olsen Flatla m 1836 Jevnager Prairie La Chion Norge Argo 1868 Juni 11 Hans Olsen Holen m 1844 Vaage Wenona Norge Argo (this one will be Winona, Minnesota) _______________ I had been hoping that you knew his approximate age, or where in Norway he was from, to help learn whether either of those were possible. Have you searched the Digitalarkivet yourself? It is an amazing collection of online databases, and not really daunting, after a little experimenting http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?spraak=e start with "Source category" and make a selection which will take you to another screen . . .then work on "Sub-category" to narrow your search to what you are looking for. Hint . . when beginning a new search, back right out to begin again > After consulting with a cousin who has more >fundamental info, our grandmother [born 14 January >1849, probably near Christiana, Norway] gave her name >as Caroline Christopherson when in 1871 in Eau Claire >County, Wisconsin she married Otto Hansen [Otto was a >son of Hans Olson. Otto was born near Enebak, >Ennebak, Enebakk 17 May 1847]. However, Caroline >sometimes replaced C and/or Ch with K, and ph with ff. > Caroline Christofferson gave her port of entry as >Milwaukee, 1870. She almost certainly had been >accompanied by one or more adult males, possibly her >future husband, Otto Hanson, later known as Otto >Borgen. Caroline probably lived near Enebak before >emigrating but no one seems to have been able to find >anything about her, her parents, or siblings. > Any possible help would be greatly appreciated. > William Treumann, Fargo, North Dakota USA How do you like this one ?? 1870 Sept. 09 Karoline Kristoffersen f u 20 Haugestua, ø. Aker Milwauke 4246 Norsk Bet. I Amerika HERO I think that should be Haugenstua in east Aker, like Enebakk. There is no-one listed around her from/to the same place, so it looks like she is travelling alone. Here are some "confirmed connections" for Norwegians on that September 9th 1870 sailing of the Wilson Line feeder-ship HERO http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=309 Seeing it was 1870, I would be tempted to leap to an assumption that she arrived via Quebec, probably Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks C-4526 PERUVIAN Liverpool, England 1870-09-15 / Londonderry, Ireland 1870-09-16 Quebec, Que. 1870-09-26 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) List Number: 110; Captain William H. Smith Don't be surprised about her travelling alone. In 1870 a twenty year old woman was quite mature and able to fend for herself. The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their number LDS number 0889445 ~ 1870 ~ port of Quebec You said you didn't know anything about her. If that is her, from east Aker, then how about this 1865 census entry. (1865 census is age next birthday) 1865-telling for 0218 Østre Aker District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Title 35 1 17 Deleneng Østre Aker Østre Aker Vestre Sindsen 2 Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Remarks (person) 495 5 1 Maren S. Kristoffers. Husm. driver Smedværksted, Selvejer e 49 k Ørskaug 496 6 Karoline M. Kristoffers. hendes Datter hjælper Moderen ug 17 k Aker 497 7 Karl Kristoffers. hendes Søn ug 13 m Aker 498 8 Ragna M Hansd. Plejedatter ug 3 k Xania Ikke bortsat paa Fattigvæsenets Regning (it says something like . . .not an orphan from poor relief account [?] ) There were more people living on the farm "West Sindsen" but this seems to be the family grouping. Her mother is the widowed "Head" and Karoline has a brother Karl, and a "foster sister" Ragna. Does that sound right? Look at what else I found. This certainly looks like your Otto, on the ARGO, but sailing via New York. Otto also apprears to have been sailing alone. 1869 Nov. 05 Otto Hansen Borgen m u Snedker 22 Enebak New York 15085 Norsk Spd. 33,9 Argo I can't help with his ship, but try Steve Morse's one-step pages to see which ships from Liverpool were arriving at New York about two weeks +/- after November 5th 1869. Be aware while searching those records during this period, from Liverpool they often listed Scandinavians as "German." Probably Otto's 1865 census entry on farm Engen. He was from a big family :-} 1865-telling for 0229 Enebak District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Landed property no. Title 4 1 13 Stranden Enebak Enebak Engen 1 1 Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Horses Cattle Sheep Pig Barley Oat Potatoes 16 16 1 Hans Ols. Husfader Gaardbruger Selveier g 46 m Enebak 1 6 4 1 1 1/2 8 4 17 17 Anne Marie Pedersd. hans Kone g 43 k Fedth 18 18 Otto Hans. deres Søn hjælper Faderen med Gaardsbruget ug 19 m Enebak 19 19 Marthe Marie Hansd. deres Datter ug 17 k Enebak 20 20 Peder Bernhart Hans. deres Søn ug 14 m Enebak 21 21 August Hans. deres Søn ug 11 m Enebak 22 22 Frederik Hans. deres Søn ug 7 m Enebak 23 23 Anne Helene Hansd. deres Datter ug 4 k Enebak 24 24 Emma Karoline Hansd. deres Datter ug 1 k Enebak Have fun with this, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

    08/02/2006 03:51:01
    1. Re: [TSL] Re: TheShipsList SS California and SS Austrian
    2. Sue Swiggum
    3. Hi Barbara, At 05:53 PM 2006-08-01 -0400, Nsambradley@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have any information/ passenger lists etc on the SS Calfornia >1893 from Glascow I think. Not sure if it arrived in NY or Boston. I'd >like >to find out once and for all who was on that ship. I'm particularly >intereseted in surnames of Piispanen, Larson, Nelson, >Nikkarikosi, Nikula, and others traveling from Finland. Have you checked the Finnish Institute of Migration? They have a limited *free* search as well as a basic and a full search for 10 or 30 Euros for a 1 year sub. Before they were a subscription database, the information which could be found was amazing. It is a great database. http://www.migrationinstitute.fi/emreg/index_e.php eg. there are 10 pages of the exact spelling for Piispanen. A full complete record might contain in part, feedership name and date of departure from Finland, with British departure port / date and ship name and destination. In 1893, the ship STATE OF CALIFORNIA was sailing Glasgow-New York. Using Steve Morse's one-step pages I see 9 New York arrivals for that ship. http://www.stevemorse.org/ Using Steve's site to search names, you can more easily access the Ellis Island database. >Also the SS Austrian : Passengers from Ireland, particular surnames of >O'Donnell, Bradely, Doherty, and those from Co Donegal and Co >Cork. Again I'm not >sure where it arrived. I was told Boston, but could be NY around 1883-1900 >time frame. I know those are a lot of years but I can't seem to find any >help that would shorten that gap. This was an Allan Line ship. Her description . . http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsAA.html <<...On 30/5/1876 she started Glasgow - Quebec - Montreal voyages and on 20/12/1879 made her first Glasgow - Boston voyage. On 13/5/1885 she made her first Glasgow - Philadelphia run. She was fitted with triple expansion engines by J.Howden & Co, Glasgow in 1888, and on 29/12/1888 resumed Glasgow - Boston service. On 11/5/1889 she commenced sailings between Glasgow and South America and on 20/5/1893 started running between London, Quebec and Montreal. Between 1896-1901 she was used mainly on the Glasgow - S.America service until 30/4/1902 when she resumed the Glasgow - Boston route. >> Steve Morse's site (link above) indicates 43 Boston arrivals for AUSTRIAN between 1883 and 1904. To access the actual manifests for Boston, you need an Ancestry.com subscription. I hope this helps, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

    08/02/2006 12:42:32
    1. Re: [TSL] Canada - Halifax or Nova Scotia-1923
    2. Sue Swiggum
    3. At 01:42 PM 2006-08-02 +1200, Piper Mejia wrote: >John Joseph Fitzsimons, born 29 October 1887 died 4 December 1949. >Elizabeth Moorehead, born 23 February 1891, died 9 June 1968 Angela >Josephine Fitzsimons, 20 January 1919 Hi Piper, This is the Form 30A period of Canadian records 1919-1924 . . http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#1924 Form 30A records are ALL ports for the whole period 1919-1924 and are in the form of a single manifest sheet for each passenger. The reels will include all years mixed in together, but they are NOT in strict alphabetical order, so make sure you scroll right through until you find who you are searching. As Form 30A reels contain ALL Canadian arrivals 1919 to 1924, they will also include those who arrived via a US port, but stated their intention to proceed directly to Canada. Passenger arrival records - 1919-1924 [Form 30A] http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/10/100804_e.html National Archives of Canada - Form 30A reels http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/10/10080401_e.html T-15027 Fitt, Lancelot R. to Fliegel, Ruth Surname groupings: Fitt, Fi, Fitzgerald, Fitzgibbon, Fitzherbert, Fitzmaurice, Fitzpatrick, Fi-Fitzsimons-Fitzsimmons interfiled, Fj, Fl, Flanagan, Flannigan-Flanigan-Fi interfiled, Fl, Fleming, Flett-Fleury-Fl interfiled, Fletcher, Fl, Fliegel T-15133 Moore, Charles William to Morgan, Sydney Surname groupings: Moore, Mo-Moorhouse interfiled, Moran, Mo, Morey, Morgan National Archives of Canada - Borrow Microfilm - ILL (procedure) http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html The LDS now have copies of the post-1900 Canadian arrivals, so check here for links and details http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#lds It is important to know whether your passengers remained in Canada (see next para) or were just in transit. If they were in transit to New Zealand (by rail across Canada, to Vancouver) I'm not 100% sure whether they'll appear on the Form 30A . . even the National Library & Archives of Canada doesn't address that. I'm assuming they were British Subjects, so _if_ they were headed to NZ via Canada they might appear on those records as it was a long trip across the country, so they may have been "landed." Passengers proceeding directly to US destinations from Canadian ports during 1919-1924, will not appear on a Form 30A record. For US destined passengers, the St. Albans Lists would be a better source of information. http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm#St.Albans FYI, Halifax is the capital city of the Province of Nova Scotia. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

    08/02/2006 12:12:24
    1. Canada - Halifax or Nova Scotia-1923
    2. Piper Mejia
    3. John Joseph Fitzsimons, born 29 October 1887 died 4 December 1949. Elizabeth Moorehead, born 23 February 1891, died 9 June 1968 Angela Josephine Fitzsimons, 20 January 1919

    08/02/2006 07:42:48
    1. HMS NELSON
    2. Kev Nicholas
    3. I am trying to locate information, including type and movement on this vessel. I have my Grandfathers Royal Naval records which show he was on The "Royal Adelaide" 1880-1881 [1881 UK census confirms this] and the "Nelson" from 1881 - 1885 and was discharged and paid off in Sydney. If any lister enlighten me on either of these vessels or their movement, it would be appreciated. Family papers suggest he met his future wife in Rockhampton in 1884 before marrying her in 1885. Kevin Nicholas Central Qld

    08/02/2006 04:41:53
    1. Re: TheShipsList-D Digest V06 #242
    2. beckysmusic
    3. does anyone have any information about Christoph Bollhoefer born 1824,in Germany or Prussia.His wife was Sophiah, then they had live in Jasper Iowa, I am trying to locate the name of the Ship that He had came to the United States on.I think that He might have came over in the 1850's would appreciate any information. Thanks beckysmusic@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheShipsList-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <TheShipsList-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: TheShipsList-D Digest V06 #242

    08/01/2006 03:18:14
    1. Re: TheShipsList SS California and SS Austrian
    2. Does anyone have any information/ passenger lists etc on the SS Calfornia 1893 from Glascow I think. Not sure if it arrived in NY or Boston. I'd like to find out once and for all who was on that ship. I'm particularly intereseted in surnames of Piispanen, Larson, Nelson, Nikkarikosi, Nikula, and others traveling from Finland. Also the SS Austrian : Passengers from Ireland, particular surnames of O'Donnell, Bradely, Doherty, and those from Co Donegal and Co Cork. Again I'm not sure where it arrived. I was told Boston, but could be NY around 1883-1900 time frame. I know those are a lot of years but I can't seem to find any help that would shorten that gap. Thank you. Barbara

    08/01/2006 11:53:33