Hi, I want to thank everybody for the help offered concerning the "Ann". My sources are * the report of the constable who put my ggg-grandfather aboard this ship, which contains shipname "Ann", name of the captain (Horstmann" and date of departure in Bremerhaven (August 4th, 1846). * The bill for the passage, which contains the ships name, month and year. ("Ann", July 1846) * I found a ship with Captain Horstmann one year later in Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild: "Ship Ann, Bremen, Germany to Baltimore, Maryland, 10 June 1847, I, J. Horstmann, Master of the Ship Ann of Bremen........." So far I have not been able to find my ancestor Christian Pape on the other side of the ocean or to find any more information on the ship. Any hints in which direction to search or where I can obtain the Passengerlist or shipsinfo are welcome. Thanks a lot in advance Tina Nobel Berlin, Germany -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

On 21 Aug 2006 at 13:07, Christiane Nobel wrote: > Hi, > > I want to thank everybody for the help offered concerning > the "Ann". > > My sources are > * the report of the constable who put my ggg-grandfather > aboard this ship, which contains shipname "Ann", name of the > captain (Horstmann" and date of departure in Bremerhaven > (August 4th, 1846). * The bill for the passage, which > contains the ships name, month and year. ("Ann", July 1846) > * I found a ship with Captain Horstmann one year later in > Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild: "Ship Ann, Bremen, > Germany to Baltimore, Maryland, 10 June 1847, I, J. > Horstmann, Master of the Ship Ann of Bremen........." > > So far I have not been able to find my ancestor Christian > Pape on the other side of the ocean or to find any more > information on the ship. > > Any hints in which direction to search or where I can obtain > the Passengerlist or shipsinfo are welcome. Tina, The list will be on microfilm. There are 2 separate indexes for Baltimore for the years 1833-1866. One lists passengers on federal lists, the second lists passengers on city lists. You can't just check one - if you check one and don't find your ancestor, you have to check the other one. For a list of Film Numbers for Ships to Maryland, after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_baltmd.shtml For online Ships to Maryland see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_md.shtml If you want to search multiple websites at once for passenger lists, there is a custom search engine for Ships going to Maryland at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchmdships.shtml Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

"Tina Nobel" <Genealogie.Nobel@gmx.de> posted: >> I am looking for any information on the Ship Ann and her Captain Horstmann. She sailed from Bremen on August 3rd, 1846 and arrived in Baltimore approximately 60 days later. My GGGgrandfather Christian Pape was a passenger. I am looking for: - the exact arrival date in Baltimore - What kind of ship was the "Ann" - a picture of the ship >> Tina, what was the source of your information? There is no reference in Germans to America to a vessel named Ann arriving at Baltimore around October 1846. I checked Germans to America for several years before and after 1846 and there was no Christian Pape listed. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

The David Hoadley was a packet ship that sailed mainly in the Antwerp to New York trade. Here is the report of her arrival on September 15, 1854 New York Times, September 16, 1854 Arrived New York, Friday, September 15 Ship David Headley [sic], [captain] Magna, Antwerp and Portsmouth 30 ds., with mdse and 397 passengers to [agents] E. D. Hurlbut & Co., and Post & Ryerson. The D. H. has had 2 births and 1 death on this passage. This looks like a normal voyage which took 30 days from a stop at Portsmouth, England. However the Montreal Gazette, August 1, 1854 noted: NEW YORK EMIGRANT SHIP PUT BACK The American ship David Hoadley of New York, Captain J. W. Magna, has put back into Southampton leaky, with 407 emigrants from Antwerp. The ship has sustained no damage, but a part of her cargo will have to be taken out to come at the leak. Allowing a minimum of two weeks for the news to reach the Montreal Gazette, the Hoadley must have reached Southampton before July 15. So she probably left Antwerp around July 1 if she passed Southampton and put back (possibly earlier). So what looks like a 30 day passage was probably nearer 75 days - but the arrival report doesn't say anything about it :-) -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

I have been trying to determine what ship my grandfather and aunt sailed from Ireland on .I think it was in 1885. Patrick Lyons

The brig lydia h cole sailed from matamaoras to new york in 1864 carrying passengerss Marvin Newton Rogers, his wife and children. One of the children died, the ship was becalmed for many days, and the report I have is that the crew mutinied because there was a corpse on board. There may have been a trial. Do you have any information about this possible event or where I can research further? I cannot find mention of it it in the NYT index, although there are other mutinies reported. I am prepared to believe that it is perhaps a fabrication or an exaggeration, but I'd like to put this bit of family history to rest. Sincerely, Mary M. White

I was a raaf passenger in 1942 voyage to England I am interested in the Nestors history I would be obliged if you could help me Jack Gleeson

Hello Richard, At 11:19 PM 2006-08-18 -0300, Richard Kavanagh wrote: >Hello, I am doing research on a ship that came from Wexford and Carlow >(Catholics). in 1817 i believe. >how do i find the list of names on that ship. is there an orginal >paper with names of the husband and wife to be >sure it is the right family. >thank you in advance. >Richard Kavanagh >rickek06@shaw.ca The lists to which you refer are of those intending to emigrate to British America (via Quebec) and list only the head-of-household, with the numbers of persons within each family group. The lists were compiled at the end of November 1817 (dated New Ross, November 29, 1817) and indicated the intention of those entered, to sail in the Spring of 1818 . . . as of that date. Some may have decided against emigration and others may have decided to be included either in 1818, or a later date. Protestant emigrants ca.1818 from counties Carlow and Wexford http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/emigrants1818p.htm Roman Catholic emigrants ca. 1818 from counties Carlow and Wexford http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/emigrants1818rc.htm There is a "Frs. Kavanagh" with a family of 9 persons on the Protestant list. I believe he only appears on that list, but some obvious family groups appear on both lists. <smile> You can see which pre-archiving (before 1865) lists are available here . . http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/index.htm#canada Make sure you also check . . St. Lawrence Steamboat Co. Passenger Records - 1819-1836: (606 + passenger lists to date) Never before published passenger lists for the Steamboats which carried arriving immigrants from Quebec, to Montreal, where they continued to their destinations in the United States and Canada. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/1819_20index.htm You can search the website from the search box at the bottom of the home page (link below) but experiment with different name spellings. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hello, I am doing research on a ship that came from Wexford and Carlow (Catholics). in 1817 i believe. how do i find the list of names on that ship. is there an orginal paper with names of the husband and wife to be sure it is the right family. thank you in advance. Richard Kavanagh rickek06@shaw.ca

Looking for anyone who might have access to the passengers list for the Brooksby which sailed from Glasgow and arrived New York on Aug 10, 1849. Hope to find documentation of Archibald (b.1815) and Margaret (b.1816) McKelvie entering the US.

At 08:34 PM 2006-08-17 -0700, bill treumann wrote: >Were there a large number of ships traveling in 1868 >from Liverpool to Quebec? I'm hoping to find my great >grandfather on one of them. Are passenger lists >available? He was then known as Hans Olsen, later as >Hans Borgen. > William Treumann Hi Bill, I remember I had found his son Otto 22, emigrating in November 1869 via New York. On the 1865 census Hans was listed at 45, which was his age "next birthday," so you would be looking for someone about 47 yrs of age. We also know they were from Enebak, so he would have departed from Christiania. Did his wife Anne Marie Pedersdatter emigrate with him . . any other children? As you know, there are only a handful of emigration records for 1868 on the Digitalarkivet. From the CD-ROM --"TheShipsList Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports 1865-1899"-- http://theshipslist.com/cdrom/index.htm Looking first at sailing vessels, with a few examples (there were 15 Christiania-Quebec) http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1868 C-4523 BENEDICTE Christiania, Norway 1868-05-01 Quebec, Que. 1868-06-21 -- List Number: 44; ship, Captain Fr. Cappelen; one birth - Gunder Atlanta Benedicte; nine deaths; Both date of departure and date of arrival are listed as they appear http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=204 247 Hans Olsen 46 m Laborer - Residence Christiania C-4523 NORNEN Christiania, Norway 1868-04-19 Quebec, Que. 1868-07-06 -- List Number: 59; bark, Captain N.A. Sørensen http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1349 Hans O. Hofseie m Group of 3, 2 adults, 1 under 7 years Hans O. Haraldsrud m Group of 4: 3 adults, 1 under 7 years C-4523 EMERALD Christiania, Norway 1868-05-14 Quebec, Que. 1868-07-17 -- List Number: 72; bark, Captain A.E. Helgesen (no online list) 52 Hans Olsen [Hotlie ?] . . . with two other "adults" C-4523 FJERDE NOVEMBER Christiania, Norway 1868-06-15 Quebec, Que. 1868-08-11 -- List Number: 83; bark, Captain Johannesen (no online list) 344 H. Olsen --?-- . . . adult male (last name hard to read . . short name) C-4523 HÜLDA Christiania, Norway 1868-07-06 Quebec, Que. 1868-08-31 -- List Number: 92; bark, Captain L.C. Morberg (no online list) H. Olsen . . . adult male Of steamships from Liverpool to Quebec, there were 46 arriving at Quebec between May 5th and November 16th. It won't be too difficult to read that many passenger lists, plus peruse the sailing vessel lists for yourself, just in case he was not a transmigrant. If you are unsuccessful, read the whole film more than once yourself and borrow a pair of eyes to help you. All of the Liverpool-Quebec ships in 1868 are "Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line)." The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their number LDS number 0889443 ~ 1868 ~ port of Quebec Good luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hello Art, You can find a description at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsL.html under her original name of LOUISIANA. Go to Don Hazeldine's site at http://freespace.virgin.net/donald.hazeldine/Passenger.htm to order inexpensive photos. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Faint" <ajfaint@earthlink.net> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [TSL] SS Holland > Could someone point me to a picture and description of the SS Holland in > 1880? Thanks, Art in New Hampshire > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

You have seen firsthand the problems with the CG website. It includes ships that arrived in ports other than Castle Garden and arriving later than the CG period Lorine On 18 Aug 2006 at 12:16, peloquin wrote: > On the Castle Garden website it shows a Johann Becker > immigrating on 14 Nov, 1894. I thought this was unusual. I > was looking for my grandfather John Becker, who would have > come in at Castle Garden if he came to New York, which I am > not sure of. > > Florence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olive Tree Genealogy" <otg@csolve.net> > To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com>; "peloquin" > <floralpx@nc.rr.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [TSL] Castle Garden/Ellis Island > > > > > > > > On 17 Aug 2006 at 12:13, peloquin wrote: > > > >> When did Castle Garden close to immigration? In looking > >> up my grandfather John BECKER who came, I believe, in > >> 1888, it showed passengers coming to Castle Garden in > >> 1894. I'm just curious. > >> > > > > Castle Garden existed as a processing station for > > immigrants > > between 1855 and 1890. There is no separate set of records > > for Castle Garden, as there is for Ellis Island. > > > > Where did you see these 1894 arrivals? > > > > For more help with this time period see "Castle Garden: > > Ships Passenger Lists to New York 1 Aug.1855 - 18 Apr. > > 1890" at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/castle-garden.htm > > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze > > > > * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) > > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ > > * Naturalization Records > > http://naturalizationrecords.com/ > > * Images of Ships Lists > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ > > > > otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com > > > > > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hello Florence, I recently wrote an article about when each of New York's immigrant processing centers was used. You can find it here... Ellis Island? Castle Garden? Which One? And When? http://genrootsblog.blogspot.com/2006/07/ellis-island-castle-garden-which-one.html If that URL is too long or broken just go here and click on the link... http://genealogyroots.googlepages.com/blog_highlights Happy searching. Regards, Joe -- Finding Passenger Lists 1820-1940s (arrivals at US Ports) http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html "peloquin" <floralpx@nc.rr.com> wrote: > When did Castle Garden close to immigration? In looking up my grandfather > John BECKER who came, I believe, in 1888, it showed passengers coming to > Castle Garden in 1894. I'm just curious. > > Florence

Could someone point me to a picture and description of the SS Holland in 1880? Thanks, Art in New Hampshire

On 17 Aug 2006 at 12:13, peloquin wrote: > When did Castle Garden close to immigration? In looking up > my grandfather John BECKER who came, I believe, in 1888, it > showed passengers coming to Castle Garden in 1894. I'm just > curious. > Castle Garden existed as a processing station for immigrants between 1855 and 1890. There is no separate set of records for Castle Garden, as there is for Ellis Island. Where did you see these 1894 arrivals? For more help with this time period see "Castle Garden: Ships Passenger Lists to New York 1 Aug.1855 - 18 Apr. 1890" at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/castle-garden.htm -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

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Hi Sue, I think Haws book is in error on this ship description (his 2nd edition says 1913). Schell Register says - 1913 sold by P & O to Mexico SS Co, Hong Kong (Eng Hok Fong SS Co, managers) renamed MEXICO CITY. Rabson & O'Donoghue - P & O, A Fleet History is more specific and says - 16th Apr.1913 sold by P & O to Mexico SS Co renamed MEXICO CITY Seems like the description needs altering. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Narrung3 > Hi Margaret, > > At 09:15 AM 2006-08-17 +1000, mboots@tadaust.org.au wrote: >>Hi List, >> >>I have just joined in the hope that someone can help me with the passenger >>list >>for the SS Narrung which ran into a storm in December 1912 and had to >>return to >>England. It was on its way to Australia. >> >>I believe my grandparents Charles and Harriet Powell were on that ship. >> >>Is there a site that you can go into and put in their names and find out >>what >>ship they actually came out to Australia on. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Regards Margaret Boots in OZ > > Are you positive about December 1912 _from_ England? Her description and > voyage history is here > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsN.html > > This says in part << NARRUNG was sold by P&O to Eng Hok Fong SS Co., Hong > Kong in 1912 and in 1913 was . . .>> > > Curiously in a web search I found that www.anmm.gov.au (the Australian > National Maritime Museum) showed up with a .pdf link . . <<An adjuster's > report of the assessment of insurance. claims resulting from an accident > to the SS Narrung in. December 1912. . . .>> so something must have > happened. > And, this link <<Mr. Waine, who began transmitting in about 1898 became > well known locally when he received the S.O.S. that was transmitted by the > Narrung P.&O. liner, during a gale in the Channel, on Boxing Day 1912. >> > so maybe our description needs adjusting. > http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Engineering/Electronics/history/radiohistory.htm > > I see where MargM has weighed in to offer you some Oz research advice, so > good luck. You may have heard of British "outbound" passenger lists, but > those are unfilmed and unindexed, so you are probably best advised to keep > trying at the Oz end. As Marg mentioned, if you know where they settled, > so can estimate their port of arrival, you'll be part way there. > > Still, if you have anyone in / near London who can go to Kew for you, then > provided the Powells didn't have the 'fit of the vapours' and delay, but > actually sailed again quite soon, then a P&O ship to Australia, from > probably Southampton, after December 26th 1912, might not be that hard to > find. Searching British records requires a personal visit to Kew . . > that, or hiring a researcher. > > Good luck > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ***** You have entered a Flame Free Zone ***** > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Were there a large number of ships traveling in 1868 from Liverpool to Quebec? I'm hoping to find my great grandfather on one of them. Are passenger lists available? He was then known as Hans Olsen, later as Hans Borgen. William Treumann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Ted, At 11:18 PM 2006-08-17 +0100, Ted Finch wrote: >Hi Sue, > >I think Haws book is in error on this ship description (his 2nd edition >says 1913). Schell Register says - 1913 sold by P & O to Mexico SS Co, >Hong Kong (Eng Hok Fong SS Co, managers) renamed MEXICO CITY. > >Rabson & O'Donoghue - P & O, A Fleet History is more specific and says - >16th Apr.1913 sold by P & O to Mexico SS Co renamed MEXICO CITY > >Seems like the description needs altering. >Ted Thanks very much . . . this makes more sense. I have made the changes. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/