P.S. If you want to order the microfilm, it is series M237, roll 531 number 453 frame 1063, Family History Library roll 1027767

Hi, Terry. You can access the manifest for Thingvalla from 19 April 1889 through Stephen Morse's website (www.stephenmorse.org), but only if you have an ancestry.com account. It requires a log-in in order to see the actual manifest (this is not true for Ellis Island). If you are looking for someone in particular, let me know and I can copy the page and send it to you offline. Regards, Anne Marie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave A" <dan83951@bigpond.net.au> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:58 PM Subject: [TSL] Ships that left the Port of Bristol 1848 Hi David > Dear Sir, No need to be so formal ! > My GG Grandfather and Grandmother left Bristol in 1848,I > assume that > they boarded a ship with their Children heading to > Plymouth to board > the ship Palmyra to Melbourne Australia. > Was there a ship from Bristol to Plymouth called the > Betaskim?,or if > you know the name of a ship that transported them to > Plymouth in 1848. > On the passengers list aboard the Palmyra to > Australia,1848,it states > James and mary Ann Andrews (nee Whitcombe) > ,Betaskim,Devonshire.However James Andrews was raised in > Bristol and > married in Bristol.All of His children were born in > Temple Bristol. I am not sure I understand your query .......... ? Where does this word Betaskim come from ? Was it one of these people place of birth recorded on the Palmyra passenger list ( NSW State Records film # 2144 p 47 ) ??? Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW Need Help ? Try: http://raogk.org/faq-requesters.htm

Hi Harry, At 09:13 PM 2006-09-11 -0400, Harry Dodsworth wrote: > I'm familiar with the 30A immigration forms for passengers >for Canada arriving 1919 - 1924 approx. In most cases there is no >large manifest. > However there was a question recently on another list about >a passenger landing in Canada from the Empress of Scotland >in transit to the United States. Was there a large manifest for >them as 30As were not used for most transit passengers? (I have >seen some for passengers travelling Australia - Canada - England >or Japan - Canada - England) > I would expect them to be on the St. Albans lists for entry >to the United States from Canada but are they recorded on any >Canadian records? No, passengers proceeding directly to US destinations from Canadian ports during 1919-1924, will not appear on a Form 30A record. However, as some ports also continued to keep the big sheet manifest for a short time during the Form 30A period, (those lists did include all passengers, regardless of destination) you may find US destined passengers, but the St. Albans Lists would be a better source of information. British arrivals en route to Australia or Japan for example, quite often appear on the Canadian Form 30A immigration records, as they had to be "landed" rather than be considered "in transit" because of the time involved in their time in country. "Big Sheet" manifests continued until . . . Quebec, PQ continued big sheet manifests until 1921-07-13 Halifax, NS continued big sheet manifests until 1922-10-02 Saint John, NB continued big sheet manifests until 1922-09-30 North Sydney, NS continued big sheet manifests until 1922-08-31 Vancouver, BC continued big sheet manifests until 1922-09-28 Victoria, BC (& Pacific ports) continued big sheet manifests until 1922-09-30 *New York, NY (Can. arrivals) continued big sheet manifests until 1921-12-08 *Eastern US ports (Can. arrivals) continued big sheet manifests until 1921-11-04 *note: the passengers included on the lists to the US ports noted, are only those who stated their intention to proceed directly to Canada Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Do you know of a passenger list for the trip of the Thingvalla, leaving Christiana for New York, arriving April 19, 1889? Thanks. Terry Sheahan

Hello, My grandfather came to Canada from Liverpool in 1902. I am trying to find out what ship he came on. His name was Joseph Ogden Skidmore and he travelled with his wife Maria and son Joseph. I would appreciate any help you could give me. Thank you. Pat Danbrook

I'm familiar with the 30A immigration forms for passengers for Canada arriving 1919 - 1924 approx. In most cases there is no large manifest. However there was a question recently on another list about a passenger landing in Canada from the Empress of Scotland in transit to the United States. Was there a large manifest for them as 30As were not used for most transit passengers? (I have seen some for passengers travelling Australia - Canada - England or Japan - Canada - England) I would expect them to be on the St. Albans lists for entry to the United States from Canada but are they recorded on any Canadian records? -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Dave, At 10:58 AM 2006-09-11 -0300, Dave A wrote: >Dear Sir, >My GG Grandfather and Grandmother left Bristol in 1848,I assume that >they boarded a ship with their Children heading to Plymouth to board >the ship Palmyra to Melbourne Australia. >Was there a ship from Bristol to Plymouth called the Betaskim?,or if >you know the name of a ship that transported them to Plymouth in 1848. >On the passengers list aboard the Palmyra to Australia,1848,it states >James and mary Ann Andrews (nee Whitcombe) >,Betaskim,Devonshire.However James Andrews was raised in Bristol and >married in Bristol.All of His children were born in Temple Bristol. >can you please help me with this research. >Kind Regards from Australia. >David Andrews. >dan83951@bigpond.net.au According to the Sydney Shipping Gazette, the barque PALMYRA, 602 tons, Captain Robertson, departed London the 4th April 1848 and Plymouth the 14th April 1848 with Mrs. Russell, Mr. Finlayson and 253 immigrants, Dr. Russell surgeon-superintendant and arrived at Port Phillip on July 19th 1848. http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html Volume 5, Number 228 (29 July, 1848) Page 181 I saw this family on the 1841 census and they are living at Temple, Gloucestershire. Ann Andrews abt 1831 Temple Gloucestershire Elizabeth Andrews abt 1830 Temple Gloucestershire Emma Andrews abt 1835 Temple Gloucestershire Hester Andrews abt 1839 Temple Gloucestershire James Andrews abt 1806 Temple Gloucestershire James Andrews abt 1833 Temple Gloucestershire Mary Andrews abt 1806 Temple Gloucestershire Mary Andrews abt 1829 Temple Gloucestershire Richard Andrews abt 1837 Temple Gloucestershire Name: James Andrews Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Civil parish: Temple Hundred: Bristol City County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: HO107/375/8 Registration district: Bristol Sub-registration district: St Mary Redcliff ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Folio: 30 Page: 8 Line number: 17 GSU Number: 288784 In the Victorian Passenger index there seem to be some confusing duplicate entries (I don't know whether the "tabs" will hold together) http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24 Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page ANDREWS RICHARD 11 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS WILLIAM 7 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS ESTHER 9 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS ANNE 17 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 8 ANDREWS ESTHER 9 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS RICHARD 11 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS MARY 43 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS JAMES 13 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS ELIZABETH 18 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS JAMES 14 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS JAMES 41 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS ELIZABETH 18 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 8 ANDREWS WILLIAM 7 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS JAMES 40 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS EMMA 12 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS EMMA 13 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 2 ANDREWS MARY ANNE 42 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 ANDREWS ANNA 16 JUL 1848 PALMIRA 4 11 In 1848 England, I would have thought that they may have travelled by train from Bristol to Plymouth to embark. I can't explain the "Betaskim, Devonshire" notation you found on the passenger list. I'd be inclined to think it was an error . . . was it a " do " (ditto) or was it written beside their names? I googled it and came up with your family, but posted to another list by a Michael Donovan maadonovan@gmail.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=michaeldonovan55&id=I2031 . . this does say James was born in Devonshire, England, as was his father William, but his wife Mary Anne was born in in Stoke, Cornwall, England. According to that post, they married in Bristol and the children were born there. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Sarah Weiss was born in 1893 + or - a year or two. Judy Schlosser

I have been unable to find a book or CD that would list the passenger list for the President Grant ship which embarked from Hamburg and arrived at Ellis Island in Dec 1907. The CD's don't come made for MacIntosh computers. I found my grandfather on this ship but not my grandmother. I have heard that they met on the ship. Her name was Sarah Weiss but could be listed as Sarah Edis or Edisis if it was changed. Her name does not turn up for any ship on Ellis Island.org (But sometimes my grandfathers doesn't turn up and sometimes his name does turn up). Sarah was from Bassarabia Russia. I am trying to find out what town she came from. Thank you, whoever has time to check. Judy Schlosser

David There may be more than one ship by this name but I found the following in the Times. From the Times, Apr 20, 1848, page 8 Shipping News Liverpool, April 19 "Sailed.--The Nancy and the Ondernaming, for Rotterdam--the Satellite, for Cronstadt--the Jane, for Newfoundland--the Palmyra, for Beyrout." She is mentioned as arriving from Demerara in the Oct 13, 1848 Times. In the Times of London, Sept 7, 1848 page 6 is an item: "Emigration To Australia--Several vessels with labourers for the Australian colonies have cleared out from London within the last fortnight; amongst the rest two ships have gone for the first time with emigrants direct to Boydtown, Twofold-bay, and Moreton-bay, one of the most northern settlements. Boyd-town is the entrepot of the fertile district of Mancroo, and is rapidly rising in importance." There is also an item in the June 2, 1848, page 6 issue of the Times talking about emigration to Australia. It talks of the vast number of ships sailing from London. However, it also says that some stop at Plymouth to "complete their number." The ship mentioned in this item was the Castle Eden. But, there is also an ad in the Oct 16, issue: Regular Line of Packet Ship.--For Victoria and Canton to sail the 10th November, the well-known fast-sailing ship Palmyra, A1, 485 [may be 465] tons register, coppered and copper-fastened. Archibald Campbell, Commander; lying in the London Dock. This ship has a full poop, with superior accommodations for passengers, will call at Portsmouth, and sail thence the 15th of November. For terms of freight or passage apply to the Commander, on board; or to Phillipps, Tiplady, and Co., 2, Royal Exchange-buildings. She did sail on Nov 12 from Gravesend for Demerara. Regards.. Marj At 09:58 AM 9/11/2006, Dave A wrote: >Dear Sir, >My GG Grandfather and Grandmother left Bristol in 1848,I assume that >they boarded a ship with their Children heading to Plymouth to board >the ship Palmyra to Melbourne Australia. >Was there a ship from Bristol to Plymouth called the Betaskim?,or if >you know the name of a ship that transported them to Plymouth in 1848. >On the passengers list aboard the Palmyra to Australia,1848,it states >James and mary Ann Andrews (nee Whitcombe) >,Betaskim,Devonshire.However James Andrews was raised in Bristol and >married in Bristol.All of His children were born in Temple Bristol. >can you please help me with this research. >Kind Regards from Australia. >David Andrews. >dan83951@bigpond.net.au > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Hello Ken, NORSEMAN 1866 1,386 gross tons, length 263ft x beam 32.2ft, clipper bows, iron hull, one funnel, two masts, single screw, speed 9 knots. Built 1866 by Charles Lungley & Co, Deptford, London for the Union Line, Southampton and used on the Southampton - South Africa mail and passenger service, usually with a call at Plymouth. 1873 sold to J. Heugh. 1874 converted to a cable repair ship for Cia Telegrafica Platino-Brasileira and used on the Siemen's cables between Rio de Janeiro and Montevideo. 1880 engines compounded to give a speed of 12 knots. 1888 laid the up-river River Plate cable. 1892 badle damaged in a storm and put up for sale. 1895 purchased by A. C. S. Springer, London, 1898 scrapped. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <KenTemp@aol.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:00 AM Subject: [TSL] Steamer Norseman > Hello: > > I am looking for information about the steamer listed above. I came > across a 1870 Season Pass and I am interested in learning more about > the ship. > > Can you help me? > > Ken Leche > Battle Creek, Michigan > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Steve From the NY Times of June 30, 1852 comes Brig August Adoloh [sic], (Prus.) Wagner, Hamburg, 42 days, mdse. and 166 passengers to Schmidt & Balchen. Regards.. Marj At 09:58 AM 9/11/2006, Steve Schwarze wrote: >Hi my name in Steve Schwarze and I had some ancestors come over on the >ship 'August Adolphs'. Their particular trip left Hamburg, Germany and >arrived in New York on 30 Jun 1852. Neither your web site or the >Palmer List of Merchant Vessels has anything on this ship. Do you know >anything about it. I would appreciate any info you might have. > >thanks much, > > >Steve > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:TheShipsList-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:TheShipsList-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Leave Subject Line empty * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Hi Patricia, Sorry but cannot help with passengers. LA GASCOGNE 1886 7,395 gross tons, length 495.4ft x beam 52.2ft, two funnels, four masts, single screw, speed 17 knots, accommodation for 390-1st, 65-2nd and 600-3rd class passengers. Laid down by Forges & Chantiers de la Mediterannee, La Seyne as L'ALGERIE but completed as LA GASCOGNE for Compagnie Generale Transatlantique, Le Havre. 18th Sep.1886 maiden voyage Havre - New York. 1894 rebuilt with two masts and 3rd class passenger accommodation increased to 1,500. 4th Mar.1911 last voyage Havre - New York. 1912 sold to Cie. Sud Atlantique, Bordeaux and used on the Bordeaux - South America route. Aug.1914 used as a French Auxiliary Cruiser but soon returned to the company. 26th Feb.1915 chartered back to CGT and Bordeaux - New York for three voyages. 1915 again requisitioned by the French Government and used as a naval depot ship at Salonica. 1919 scrapped at Genoa. Picture at http://www.immigrantships.net/v5/picturesv5/lagascogne.jpg regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Welch" <patwelch63@hotmail.com> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:09 AM Subject: [TSL] La Gascogne -29 Aug 1887 - Depart: Le Havre, France - Origin: Switze-Arrive:N.Y. > Request any information about family and ship. I have a picture. Are > there any naturalization or other records availabe. What area in > Switzerland would they be from.? We would mainly try to find where > Auguste Huber was from and what happened to him once he arrived New York. > > Ship Name - La Gascogne > > Place of Origin - Switzerland > > Port of Departure - Le Havre, France > > Arriving - New York > > Arriving Date - 29 Aug 1887 > > Family seems to be traveling together: > > HUEBER > > Valentine Huber, b. abt 1860 male > Catherine " b. abt 1862 female > Marie Hueber, b. abt 1842 female ****** > Hypolite, b. abt 1872 male > Auguste b. abt 1874 male ******** > Joseph b. abt 1875 male > Elise b. abt 1877 female > Albertine, b. abt 1878 female > Childe, b. abt 1880 female > Jean, b. abt 1854 male > > We believe AUGUSTE HUBER is our ancestor who showed up 1900 in Whiteside > Co., Illinois. There is no social security record of marriage record that > shows parentage. Story is that his mother went back to Switzerland and > left him with friends. > > I think I located Joseph in 1900 and 1920 and 1930 in Albany. Valentine > and Catherine are in Brooklyn, N.Y. 1900. > > > > ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > >

Dear Sir, My GG Grandfather and Grandmother left Bristol in 1848,I assume that they boarded a ship with their Children heading to Plymouth to board the ship Palmyra to Melbourne Australia. Was there a ship from Bristol to Plymouth called the Betaskim?,or if you know the name of a ship that transported them to Plymouth in 1848. On the passengers list aboard the Palmyra to Australia,1848,it states James and mary Ann Andrews (nee Whitcombe) ,Betaskim,Devonshire.However James Andrews was raised in Bristol and married in Bristol.All of His children were born in Temple Bristol. can you please help me with this research. Kind Regards from Australia. David Andrews. dan83951@bigpond.net.au

Hi my name in Steve Schwarze and I had some ancestors come over on the ship 'August Adolphs'. Their particular trip left Hamburg, Germany and arrived in New York on 30 Jun 1852. Neither your web site or the Palmer List of Merchant Vessels has anything on this ship. Do you know anything about it. I would appreciate any info you might have. thanks much, Steve

Hello, I am trying to find information on a deck chair off of a ship supposedly from mid 1800s..The chair is wooden and has "O.C.C." impressed into the wood and it is old.I found it in an attic while cleaning out an old house and it had a note taped to it stating a it had been aquired by a doctor who came over in the 1800s on this ship.I have searched for hours and can find no information on those initials.If you can help at all I would really appreciate it. thanks,Tom

Request any information about family and ship. I have a picture. Are there any naturalization or other records availabe. What area in Switzerland would they be from.? We would mainly try to find where Auguste Huber was from and what happened to him once he arrived New York. Ship Name - La Gascogne Place of Origin - Switzerland Port of Departure - Le Havre, France Arriving - New York Arriving Date - 29 Aug 1887 Family seems to be traveling together: HUEBER Valentine Huber, b. abt 1860 male Catherine " b. abt 1862 female Marie Hueber, b. abt 1842 female ****** Hypolite, b. abt 1872 male Auguste b. abt 1874 male ******** Joseph b. abt 1875 male Elise b. abt 1877 female Albertine, b. abt 1878 female Childe, b. abt 1880 female Jean, b. abt 1854 male We believe AUGUSTE HUBER is our ancestor who showed up 1900 in Whiteside Co., Illinois. There is no social security record of marriage record that shows parentage. Story is that his mother went back to Switzerland and left him with friends. I think I located Joseph in 1900 and 1920 and 1930 in Albany. Valentine and Catherine are in Brooklyn, N.Y. 1900.

Hello: I am looking for information about the steamer listed above. I came across a 1870 Season Pass and I am interested in learning more about the ship. Can you help me? Ken Leche Battle Creek, Michigan

An ancestor traveled from Hamburg to New Orleans on the Bark 'Miles' arriving in Galveston on June 5, 1855. Another document that I have says the ship departed Hamburg on 16-4-55 which would make the transit time about 7 weeks. A family document lists the time as 16 weeks. Anyone have any idea about this as I tend to agree with the two documents? Also, anyone have a site that would describe conditions on a ship such as this which carried 126 passengers? Frank Jurenka