I am searching for my Father, Jan Tatko, who departed Poland and arrived someplace in Canada in 1911. I am wondering if he was a passenger on this line? Also searching for my Grandfather, Stanislaw Dereszewski, who would have come to the USA sometime between 1905-1906... have no idea where he landed. Thank you, Delphine (Tatko) Burgio

Dear Sir, I have been searching for information on S.S. Stromboli and thanks to your site have found at least some details of her history. Unfortunately your web site is the only information I can find. I would be very grateful if you could provide me with some advice as to where I could look for more information. This ship is significant to my family as my Great Great Grandfather served as a fireman on her between 1861 and 1871 according to the census records. Thank you in advance for your time. Regards Iain Davenport

I often talk about misremembered years relating to Naturalization papers, however, this also pertains to Census, as illustrated below. On the Allan Line ship IONIAN in 1908 T-493 IONIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1908-05-02 Quebec, Que. 1908-05-10 I spotted a really big TOCHER family from Scotland to Winnipeg Mrs. Jemima 40 Bella 17 Annie 14 Jeanie 13 John 11 James 10 Mary 9 George 7 Charlie 6 Louisa 4 Alexander 3 William 7 months I decided to check them out on the 1911 census, which was only three years later and found still at home Name Age John Tocher 44 Jemima Tocher 43 James Tocher 13 George Tocher 11 Mary Tocher 9 Louise Tocher 7 Charlie Tocher 8 Alexander Tocher 5 William Tocher 4 Father John, who had preceeded the family shows an emigration year of 1905, but mother Jemima and the children show an emigration year of 1907. William, who was listed seven months old at emigration in May 1908 was born in August 1907. How soon people forget the year. Keep this in mind as you search for emigration records when relying on information from naturalization or census records. Make sure to straddle your research year. Sue --

At 01:22 PM 2006-09-15 -0700, virginia miller wrote: >I am looking for the immigration of Isabella Rutherford who was in Lincoln >County,Ontario in May, 1873. She was from Perthshire, Scotland and likely >left from Glasgow, but I'm not sure when. I gather that there are no >indexed passenger lists for this period. Where would she have most likely >landed and where would be best to start searching for her? Presumably I >would need to start in May of 1873 and work backwards. >Advice would be greatly appreciated. >Regards, >Virginia >She was identified as having assisted at the birth of her >granddaughter, Janet Stewart, in Lincoln Co. in 1873. I thought perhaps she >might have been visiting and returned to Scotland later. Virginia, Going back to your original emails . . . she might well have been on a visit. I am indexing the steamboat lists . .Quebec to Montreal from 1819-1836. These contain locals of course, but also many thousands of emigrants and visitors. As I transcribe the steamboat lists, I also transcribe from the newspapers the sailing vessels arriving and departing from Quebec for the corresponding years, as they indicate whether they were carrying settlers, as well as naming most 'cabin' passengers. I am working on 1826 now, but as I go through the years, I'm amazed at the people travelling back and forth between Britain and Canada . . .some, many many times. Even making holiday visits to the Mediterranean. St. Lawrence Steamboat Co. Passenger Records - 1819-1836: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/1819_20index.htm (606 + passenger lists to date) Never before published passenger lists for the Steamboats which carried arriving immigrants from Quebec, to Montreal, where they continued to their destinations in the United States and Canada. I had always dwelled on the hardships of sailing vessel travel and didn't think anyone would consider making a trip across the Atlantic or even to Australia &c. unless they had to, but they DID. Consider . . they had no other basis for comparison. There was no choice of Airbus or Boeing or sailing vessel <grin> So yes . . think about beginning with May 1873 and working backward. She would have arrived via the port of Quebec. You don't mention when Janet was born, but for 1873 . . there were 3 May arrivals from Scotland (the first ship of the 1873 navigation season arrived on April 26th from Liverpool) From the CD-ROM --"TheShipsList Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports 1865-1899"-- http://theshipslist.com/cdrom/index.htm Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks C-4528 ST. PATRICK Glasgow, Scotland 1873-04-16 Quebec, Que. 1873-05-04 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (U): Ottawa Valley Society (22) List Number: 4; Captain John G. Stephen; list very faded C-4528 MANITOBAN Glasgow, Scotland 1873-04-29 Quebec, Que. 1873-05-13 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) List Number: 9 C-4528 CORINTHIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1873-05-14 Quebec, Que. 1873-05-27 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) List Number: 17; Captain James Scott In 1872 there were 32 ships Glasgow-Quebec between May 8th and November 16th on microfilm C-4527 and C-4528. Don't discount a New York arrival either. It was relatively easy to get from New York to Canada at that time, and the season was longer. The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS also have copies of this microfilm. I see you have a Canadian email address. Here find a list of institutions in Canada who also have copies of this microfilm. You may have one close by http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-903-e.html Good Luck Sue --

At 02:39 PM 2006-09-15 -0700, virginia miller wrote: >Isabella is a bit of a mystery. She was my gg grandmother. I don't know >her birthdate or the identity her parents. I think she may not have been >married to my gg grandfather who was Alexander Stewart. She would probably >have been born before 1812-my great grandfather was born in 1827 in >Perthshire. She was identified as having assisted at the birth of her >granddaughter, Janet Stewart, in Lincoln Co. in 1873. I thought perhaps she >might have been visiting and returned to Scotland later. >Virginia Virginia, If this is her in 1901, she seems to have stayed :-} Stewart Isabella F Head W Feb 2 1812 88 Stewart James M Head S Mar 29 1839 60 Stewart Peter M Son S Mar 20 1846 54 This indicates she was born in Scotland and emigrated in 1830. Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada Subdistrict: Stratford (City/Cité), PERTH (North/Nord), ONTARIO District Number: 104 Subdistrict Number: g-8 Page 13 Archives Microfilm: T-6490 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/cache/index.html Sue --

from the Sydney Gazette, January 22, 1804 A new Regulation is about to take place in the manner of taking Apprentices inthe Royal Dock Yards, which, if carried into effect, will be highly advantageous to the Service. In future, instead of Apprentices being taken indiscriminately, they are to be the sonsof Commissioned or Warrant OFficers inthe Royal navy, or the sons of Artificers in the naval Arsenals. The Pay and Allowance to a Master for his Apprentice are rather complained of; as it is proposed, by way of encouragement, to allow one third of his earnings to be applied to the use of his parents or guadians for his board and lodgings. cheers Jenny Fawcett Genseek Genealogy www.genseek.net

This might be the one, but I am doubtful. Her son, my great grandfather, Angus Stewart didn't come to Canada until 1857. The name of the "accoucheur" on the birth registration of his daughter in 1873, was "Isabella Rutherford". I believe Angus to be the illegitimate son of an Alexander Stewart in Scotland who was married to somebody else with whom he had 8 children. But who knows? Thanks for your interest, Virginia

Hello Mary Clipping all or part of previous messages from your reply doesn't mean the info is lost. You still have the previous messages in your "In Basket." Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada .................................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: <wseone56@aol.com> To: <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 > Greetings: This information provided here will ........ > Sorry to include such a lengthy subject and answers replies but > I needed to keep the information..If there is a better way to do > this please let me know,by that I mean not deleting parts of the > message??? <clip>

Hello Virginia Depending on her age you may be able to find her in the 1901 or 1911 census for Canada. They contain year of immigration to Canada. If she came after 1865, when lists were required, that would give you a place to start. There are several Isabella Rutherfords listed in Ontario LDS 1881 online census but not in Lincoln. Some additional info may help find her. Is Rutherford her married name, did she marry in Canada, etc.? Hope this helps. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada .................................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "virginia miller" <vjmill@telus.net> To: <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [TSL] Isabella Rutherford >I am looking for the immigration of Isabella Rutherford who was >in Lincoln County,Ontario in May, 1873. She was from Perthshire, >Scotland and likely left from Glasgow, but I'm not sure when. I >gather that there are no indexed passenger lists for this period. >Where would she have most likely landed and where would be best >to start searching for her? Presumably I would need to start in >May of 1873 and work backwards. > Advice would be greatly appreciated. > Regards, > Virginia > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Isabella is a bit of a mystery. She was my gg grandmother. I don't know her birthdate or the identity her parents. I think she may not have been married to my gg grandfather who was Alexander Stewart. She would probably have been born before 1812-my great grandfather was born in 1827 in Perthshire. She was identified as having assisted at the birth of her granddaughter, Janet Stewart, in Lincoln Co. in 1873. I thought perhaps she might have been visiting and returned to Scotland later. Virginia

Greetings: This information provided here will certainly assist me in doing this part of my Family History and I appreciate it very much. This message in addition to a few others the last couple of days have truly been a great in my understanding now what I need to do to investigate my European Ancestors and Canadian as well in their quest to come to America. Sincerely, Mary A. Christiansen Sorry to include such a lengthy subject and answers replies but I needed to keep the information..If there is a better way to do this please let me know,by that I mean not deleting parts of the message??? Mary A. Christiansen -----Original Message----- From: theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:19 PM Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Overland or by Ship query (Sue Swiggum) 2. Re: Overland or by Ship query (jwyze1@gmail.com) 3. Re: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 (Ann Serb) 4. Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland (C Kluz) 5. Re: Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland (Sue Swiggum) 6. Apprentices in the Royal Navy 1804 (Jenny Fawcett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:33:25 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: "jwyze1@gmail.com" <jwyze1@gmail.com>, THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060914112201.027c3898@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello Jill, The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S. 1912-01-17 T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-03-20 T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S. 1912-04-10 T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-11-19 (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for the family. Sue -- At 02:50 PM 2006-09-14 +0100, jwyze1@gmail.com wrote: >Hello List >I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know >the answer. > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have >continued by sea to the Port of St John >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but >recently considered that perhaps she >went by sea. > >Any information would be useful. > >-- >Regards, Jill ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:02:36 +0100 From: "jwyze1@gmail.com" <jwyze1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: "Sue Swiggum" <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Cc: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d9bccb8b0609140802u38d24ff0r3da4892a4b60087a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Sue Thank you for this information. Amy Armstrong travelled on the T-4745 arriving on 1912-11-19. I have a copy of the Canadian Manifest ie the landing details, but do not have a copy of the front summary page, which is a shame. However, having just read the very small print in one of the last > Hello Jill, > > The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four > Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). > > T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-01-17 > T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-03-20 > T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-04-10 > T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-11-19 > (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" > > The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have > taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It > would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the > passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of > the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that > railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for > the family. > > Sue > -- > > . > > > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal > Edward > >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate > >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey > have > >continued by sea to the Port of St John > >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different > >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to > >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > > > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), > but > >recently considered that perhaps she > >went by sea. > > > >Any information would be useful. > > > >-- > >Regards, Jill > ------------------------------ theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (Hoskins) 2. Scottish Emigrants to South Western Ontario in 1818 (Harry Dodsworth) 3. Re: Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (PAUL NICHOLS) 4. namibia (Ilana & Stephan) 5. SS Scotia (Indi Barat) 6. Re: Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 (Harry Dodsworth) 7. NAME OF SHIP ESSEX (GMR7815@aol.com) 8. Re: namibia (Ted Finch) 9. (no subject) (Karen Ard) 10. Overland or by Ship query (jwyze1@gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:28:42 -0400 From: "Hoskins" Subject: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: Message-ID: <001401c6d78c$5aa53e90$783e0448@YOURC9649576F1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would like info on the Ida Kiss that arrived in New York, 10 January 1850, from Newport, Wales. My gggrandmother was a passenger, arriving with her children, to join my gggrandfather in NE Pennsylvania. The internet only shows one arrival for this ship. Is there any info on this voyage or ship....time taken, size of ship, etc ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: af877@freenet.carleton.ca (Harry Dodsworth) Subject: [TSL] Scottish Emigrants to South Western Ontario in 1818 To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914003827.4EDE124747@smeagol.ncf.ca> Montreal Gazette, July 7, 1819 To the Emigrants who arrived at Quebec in the summer of 1818, and who came in the Jane of Greenock, and the Carlow of London, from the parishes of Comera, Balyhidder, Weems, and Killice in Perthshire, North Britain [1]. When we parted from you at Montreal for this part of the Country, we promised to inform you of the advantages, which we might find it to possess. You are probably so scattered about now, that we cannot inform you in any other way than by addressing you a letter in a newspaper; and we earnestly hope, that the Editors of other papers, will be kind enough to give our letter one insertion, that you may all have the opportunity of hearing from us. We have been of the party of Colonel Burwell, and assisted him to Survey about seventy thousand acres of land, in the Township of London, which we have just completed, and Colonel Talbot has just located us upon one hundred acres each. The Township of London is bounded in front by the river Thames, and is well watered by the north branch of it, and a great many smaller branches which intersect every Concession in the Township; some of which are very excellent for Mill seats. The land is of the finest quality we ever saw. The soil is generally very black and deep; and at the same time, intermixed with a small quantity of white sand. The Timber is Sugar Maple, Elm, white Oak, Butternut, Cherry, and Basswood. We have not passed through a lot, but that we have seen some Butternut trees, under which, the ground was frequently almost covered with Butternuts at this season of the year. The pack-men of our party have often gathered, and brought quantities of them, to where we have encamped at night, and cracked as many as we wished. Towards the last of April, and the first of this month, they have been as fine and dry amongst the leaves of last year, as though they had been kept in a house. Several persons who have removed from the Eastern part of this Province, and now live near this place, have informed us, that the wintering of Cattle and Horses does not cost more than half as much here as there. When we left Scotland, the Ministers of our parishes begged us to settle near each other, which we sincerely wish and hope, that such of you as are not settled to your satisfaction, will come to this part of the Province, and now live near this place. You will certainly like the country when you see it. We have had no trouble in getting our lands. When we made choice of them, we applied to Colonel Talbot, and we have two years to perform the Settlement duties in, which is all to our own advantage. Several of our friends are now here, and every new Settler who has money, or is industrious, can buy provisions from our neighbours on Talbot Road, and in Westminster, on the opposite side of the River Thames, to last until they can grow them from their own farms. We remain your friends, JAMES MCFARLANE, ARCHIBALD MCFARLANE, JAMES CAMPBELL, JOHN CARMICHAELL. London (U. C.) 20th, May, 1819 Notes. 1. Sue Swiggum identified the ships as the Jane and the Curlew, and the parishes as Comrie, Balquhidder, Weem and Killin. 2. Colonel Talbot was a long serving, but controversial, emigration agent who did much to encourage settlement of South Western Ontario, between London and the Detroit River. Colonel Burwell surveyed the area. 3. Almost all of the Carolinian forest has been stripped from SW Ontario. The land is used for various types of farming, depending on its quality. 4. The names of many passengers on the Curlew were listed in Colonial Office papers and have been transcribed by Sue on http://www.theshipslist.com John Carmichael is listed on the Curlew but the other signatories of the letter are not; perhaps they were on the Jane. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:25 -0700 From: "PAUL NICHOLS" Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: Message-ID: <034d01c6d79a$fb50f4c0$250110ac@Pauli007> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) has a nice section on their web site that explains immigration records, where and how to find them (with links), that is a great place to start -- http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:57 -0300 From: Ilana & Stephan Subject: [TSL] namibia To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060913222721.027c7cc0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed To whom it may concern We are in the process of restoring the old jettie in Swakopmund Namibia utilized by the Woermann Linie. Does the Woermann Linie still exist or what does it operate now , who bought them out? Kind regards Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:20:26 +1000 (EST) From: Indi Barat Subject: [TSL] SS Scotia To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914022027.40861.qmail@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Ted This is what I have been waiting for... a BIG thank you for your help. Warm regards Indi --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: af877@freenet.carleton.ca (Harry Dodsworth) Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship Ida Kiss, NY 10 January 1850 To: TheShipsList@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914025006.CEC0224747@smeagol.ncf.ca> "Hoskins" posted: >> Would like info on the Ida Kiss that arrived in New York, 10 January 1850, from Newport, Wales. My gggrandmother was a passenger, arriving with her children, to join my gggrandfather in NE Pennsylvania. The internet only shows one arrival for this ship. Is there any info on this voyage or ship....time taken, size of ship, etc. >> Basic arrival reports can be obtained after September 1851 from the New York Times. There may be a similar report in the New York Herald for the 1850 arrival but I don't have access to that newspaper. Certainly the Magellan list of New York arrivals suggests the Ida Kiss only made one arrival. The ship is not listed in the American registers (1857+) at the Mystic Seaport site. There is a note about an Austrian ship Ida Kiss landing at Albany, Western Australia in 1853 on Mariners list (2005). This queries the method of calculating tonnage. Apparently the Ida Kiss was entered at Albany as 594 tons while the Austrian Maritime Register listed her as 735 tons. Either figure is low for a ship in 1850. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:39:03 EDT From: GMR7815@aol.com Subject: [TSL] NAME OF SHIP ESSEX To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Would there be someone who possibly could do a lookup of the ship ESSEX that arrived in New Orleans about March 1848-1850. I am almost sure that a Sigmund Rapp is listed in the passenger list, I would like to also know where i could get a picture of the ship and possibly a description of it. Thank you ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:42:08 +0100 From: "Ted Finch" Subject: Re: [TSL] namibia To: "Ilana & Stephan" , Message-ID: <006f01c6d7d9$aafb7880$0d7186d9@finch96fpe5ia0> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Stephan, I believe that Woermann Line was taken over by SAFMARINE, Capetown, now part of the Moller-Maersk group of companies. Suggest a call to Safmarine to confirm this. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilana & Stephan" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [TSL] namibia > > To whom it may concern > > We are in the process of restoring the old jettie in Swakopmund > Namibia utilized by the Woermann Linie. > > Does the Woermann Linie still exist or what does it operate now , who > bought them out? > > Kind regards > > Stephan > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:31:52 -0700 From: Karen Ard Subject: [TSL] (no subject) To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Karen Ard Message-ID: <6AAB9A13-4388-11DB-8BD7-000A95E3FF98@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subscribe ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:53 +0100 From: "jwyze1@gmail.com" Subject: [TSL] Overland or by Ship query To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello List I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know the answer. In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have continued by sea to the Port of St John NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to St John? Also, how long would the journey take? I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but recently considered that perhaps she went by sea. Any information would be useful. -- Regards, Jill ------------------------------ End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 ****************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: C Kluz <cjkluz@prodigy.net> Subject: [TSL] Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060914182021.53514.qmail@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I match one person coming in there is: First Name:Antoni Last Name:Jakubiak Ethnicity:Russia, Polish Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel:Potsdam Port of Departure:Rotterdam Manifest Line Number:0023 The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time and help. Cindy Williams-Kluz cjkluz@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:52:16 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [TSL] Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland To: C Kluz <cjkluz@prodigy.net>, theshipslist@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20060914203847.028d4e38@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Cindy, How about this one? First Name: Anastazi Last Name: Jakatjak Ethnicity: Russian-Polish Last Place of Residence: Pleni, Russia Date of Arrival: May 22, 1913 Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Giessen Port of Departure: Bremen Manifest Line Number: 0006 Going to his brother-in-law Wladyslaw S_____ in Detroit. Jakatjak definitely isn't the correct spelling . . not a t anyway. He leaves behind his wife Katerzyna ? Maybe he got to Detroit about May 28 ? Sue -- At 11:20 AM 2006-09-14 -0700, C Kluz wrote: >Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: > > >I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to >the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he >boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY >on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is >stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that >day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar >to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's >manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I >match one person coming in there is: > >First Name:Antoni >Last Name:Jakubiak >Ethnicity:Russia, Polish >Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia >Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 >Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M >Ship of Travel:Potsdam >Port of Departure:Rotterdam >Manifest Line Number:0023 > > >The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but >nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a >manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. > >If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for >your time and help. > >Cindy Williams-Kluz >cjkluz@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:32:55 +1000 From: "Jenny Fawcett" <jfawcett@genseek.net> Subject: [TSL] Apprentices in the Royal Navy 1804 To: <theshipslist@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <023701c6d8a1$8b957540$7a1f8aca@USER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" from the Sydney Gazette, January 22, 1804 A new Regulation is about to take place in the manner of taking Apprentices inthe Royal Dock Yards, which, if carried into effect, will be highly advantageous to the Service. In future, instead of Apprentices being taken indiscriminately, they are to be the sonsof Commissioned or Warrant OFficers inthe Royal navy, or the sons of Artificers in the naval Arsenals. The Pay and Allowance to a Master for his Apprentice are rather complained of; as it is proposed, by way of encouragement, to allow one third of his earnings to be applied to the use of his parents or guadians for his board and lodgings. cheers Jenny Fawcett Genseek Genealogy www.genseek.net ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to THESHIPSLIST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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I am looking for the immigration of Isabella Rutherford who was in Lincoln County,Ontario in May, 1873. She was from Perthshire, Scotland and likely left from Glasgow, but I'm not sure when. I gather that there are no indexed passenger lists for this period. Where would she have most likely landed and where would be best to start searching for her? Presumably I would need to start in May of 1873 and work backwards. Advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Virginia

Hi Tom, At 08:03 PM 2006-09-13 -0400, Tom Devine wrote: >I am looking for the ships manifest for an arrival -into NY- of The SS >Pretoria on June 19, 1903. It had left from Bremen (I believe) and had my >5 1/2 year old grandma on board. I can not find her name in the searchable >database for the Ellis Island site and it's frustrating as I know the >exact date of arrival (from her and her older brother's naturalization papers). > >Any help would be appreciated. > >-Tom Devine Not Bremen, the Hamburg-American Line ship PRETORIA sailed from Hamburg to New York. In 1903 it arrived at New York on June 11th but in 1904, on June 17th, which is closer to your date. Series Roll Vol. Year Month Day Frame Ship Port FHL roll T715 366 640 1903 June 11 248 Pretoria Hamburg 1399051 T715 469 914 1904 June 17 604 Pretoria Hamburg 1399154 The above is from Steve Morse's one-step pages for entry into Ellis Island http://www.stevemorse.org/index.html Lots of ways to search . . either my ship name and scroll through the pages or by using the White Form and search for names "starts with" and using a time span for year of arrival (I usually try one year on either side of year you are researching). Don't forget that the actual year of emigration was the most misremembered part of the date. For those who arrived prior to September 1906, it wasn't neccessary for them to *prove* their date / ship / port of arrival in order to naturalize. Good luck, Sue --

Thanks Sue for your help and yes he made his residence in Detroit and lived here the rest of his life. I wasn't aware of any relatives he was coming to the US to stay with....but you learn something new everyday when you uncover these facts....next step is to find my grandmother's information. Once again, thanks for your prompt responses...you have been a BIG help. Cindy ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> To: C Kluz <cjkluz@prodigy.net> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:54:14 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] Fw: Grandfather Immigration from Russia/Poland At 07:20 AM 2006-09-15 -0700, C Kluz wrote: >That maybe a possibility...My grandmother's name was Katrazyna....I >realize handwritings are very difficult to read and decifer. I just >couldn't find either one of them or my 2 aunts who immigrated in with my >grandmother in the Ellis Island database, though I know they came in >through that port. > >Thanks for your help. > >May I ask a quick question? How did you go about locating them him in >such a timely manner? Was it simply paging through the database? > >thanks, >Cindy Hi Cindy, Hmmm the almost right wife name is a plus . . and if he started out at Detroit, it would make you wonder. I always use Steve Morse's abosolutely wonder one-step pages for entry into Ellis Island http://www.stevemorse.org/index.html I just used the White Form . . with first name starts with, same for last name. Gender male and then just used a date range for arrival one year on each side of the year you quoted. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Cindy, How about this one? First Name: Anastazi Last Name: Jakatjak Ethnicity: Russian-Polish Last Place of Residence: Pleni, Russia Date of Arrival: May 22, 1913 Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Giessen Port of Departure: Bremen Manifest Line Number: 0006 Going to his brother-in-law Wladyslaw S_____ in Detroit. Jakatjak definitely isn't the correct spelling . . not a t anyway. He leaves behind his wife Katerzyna ? Maybe he got to Detroit about May 28 ? Sue -- At 11:20 AM 2006-09-14 -0700, C Kluz wrote: >Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: > > >I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to >the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he >boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY >on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is >stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that >day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar >to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's >manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I >match one person coming in there is: > >First Name:Antoni >Last Name:Jakubiak >Ethnicity:Russia, Polish >Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia >Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 >Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M >Ship of Travel:Potsdam >Port of Departure:Rotterdam >Manifest Line Number:0023 > > >The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but >nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a >manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. > >If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for >your time and help. > >Cindy Williams-Kluz >cjkluz@prodigy.net

Hello Sue Thank you for this information. Amy Armstrong travelled on the T-4745 arriving on 1912-11-19. I have a copy of the Canadian Manifest ie the landing details, but do not have a copy of the front summary page, which is a shame. However, having just read the very small print in one of the last columns - I can see "travelled inland on" L.C.R. Thanks for this Sue, you've been very helpful. Regards, Jill On 9/14/06, Sue Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Hello Jill, > > The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four > Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). > > T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-01-17 > T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-03-20 > T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-04-10 > T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S > . > 1912-11-19 > (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" > > The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have > taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It > would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the > passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of > the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that > railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for > the family. > > Sue > -- > > At 02:50 PM 2006-09-14 +0100, jwyze1@gmail.com wrote: > >Hello List > >I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might > know > >the answer. > > > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal > Edward > >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate > >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey > have > >continued by sea to the Port of St John > >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different > >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to > >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > > > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), > but > >recently considered that perhaps she > >went by sea. > > > >Any information would be useful. > > > >-- > >Regards, Jill >

Hello List I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know the answer. In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have continued by sea to the Port of St John NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to St John? Also, how long would the journey take? I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but recently considered that perhaps she went by sea. Any information would be useful. -- Regards, Jill

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Hello Jill, The Canadian Northern Steamships (Royal Line) ship ROYAL EDWARD, had four Halifax arrivals in 1912 (and seven Quebec arrivals). T-4741 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-01-10 Halifax, N.S. 1912-01-17 T-4742 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-03-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-03-20 T-4743 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-04-03 Halifax, N.S. 1912-04-10 T-4745 ROYAL EDWARD Avonmouth (Bristol), England 1912-11-13 Halifax, N.S. 1912-11-19 (M): Naval draft for Esquimalt B.C. for H.M. Sloop "SHEARWATER" The Royal Edward did not continue to St. John. Your great aunt would have taken the train to New Brunswick, most, if not all the way to Minto. It would have only taken a few hours, with stops. If you have a copy of the passenger list, in 1912 the front summary page often included the name of the railway lines and their departure times and the initials of that railway company usually appear at the end of the row on the manifest for the family. Sue -- At 02:50 PM 2006-09-14 +0100, jwyze1@gmail.com wrote: >Hello List >I hope this question is appropriate to this list and that someone might know >the answer. > >In 1912 my great aunt sailed from Avonmouth, Bristol UK on the Royal Edward >to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Her ultimate >destination was Minto, New Brunswick. My question is would her journey have >continued by sea to the Port of St John >NB or overland? If she travelled by ship would it have been a different >ship or would the Royal Edward have continued to >St John? Also, how long would the journey take? > >I had always assumed that her journey was overland (she was only seven), but >recently considered that perhaps she >went by sea. > >Any information would be useful. > >-- >Regards, Jill

Good day....I was wondering if anyone give me some direction: I have been researching my grandfather Anastazy Jakubiak who immigrated to the United States. I have his Declaration of Intention which states he boarded a vessel in Bremen, Germany and entered the United States via NY on or about the 28th of May 1913.The boat name on his declaration is stated as "Gerse". I have researched boat arrivals at NY on about that day and have come up with the Friedrich De Grosse which looks very similar to the "Gerse". However, I cannot find my grandfathers name on the ship's manifest nor at the Ellis Island website. When I search Ellis Island I match one person coming in there is: First Name:Antoni Last Name:Jakubiak Ethnicity:Russia, Polish Last Place of Residence:Slacy, Russia Date of Arrival:May 29, 1913 Age at Arrival: 33y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel:Potsdam Port of Departure:Rotterdam Manifest Line Number:0023 The names are very similar along with his age and date of arrival....but nothing else matches. I cannot locate his name on documents, either a manifest of either ships or in the Ellis Island Databases. If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time and help. Cindy Williams-Kluz cjkluz@prodigy.net