At 11:44 AM 2006-09-27 +1000, Tanya Orchard wrote: >Seeking information on the Grosser family- travelled from Germany to South >Australia in 1841 >Tanya Hello again Tanya, This list too, will be added to TheShipsList in the future. Grosser Karl Albt. Hermann 41 Joiner 624/3 Silesia Anna Rosina (Wogisch) 38 Amelia Rosalia Eva 15 Hermann Eduard Louis 9 Hermann Eduard Ludwig 8 Johann August Traugott 5 Maria Magdelena 3 Maria Salome Inf. born 26 June 1841 It seems Maria Salome was nearly born at sea, as the ship departed Altona on July 3rd. <<Altona is the westernmost district of the city of Hamburg in Germany, on the right bank of the Elbe.>> There were 41 deaths in passage . . mostly children. Sue --

At 11:42 AM 2006-09-27 +1000, Tanya Orchard wrote: >Seeking info on the Lampe family believed to have travelled from Bremen, >Germany to South Australia in 1846 >Tanya Hi Tanya, Robert Janmaat from South Australia and I have a joint project of . . Immigrants to South Australia, (UK, assisted passage) 1847-1886: (91 passenger lists to date) http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm During Robert's trips to the Library &c. he also collected a variety of records for German immigrants to South Australia and I now have 13 more lists awaiting preparation for going online, for the years 1837-1847 including the two in which you are interested. Robert & I have decided to have a new index page to list those German Passenger lists, but I will also include a link on the index page above, as well as on the main passenger list index page and on the Home Page under Special Projects . . so watch for the completed lists. In the mean time, a copy / paste from the spread sheet Lampe Hermann 30 Shoemaker 949/2 - Lampey Johanna (Jago/Jager) 26 . . as you can see, full right in the 'remarks' a possible spelling variation, however if you are confirming LAMPE, then I will remove that. Johanna's maiden name spelling is also in doubt, so if you can confirm that too, it will be appreciated. The 949/2 reference is from their listing in the South Australian Biographical Index. The - shows that we haven't learned their former German residence, so if you could provide that as well, it would be great. Skjold to follow Sue --

I am searching for my gggrandfather, Alexander Morton, born 1802 in Scotland. He came to Canada between 1827-1829. He was married in Nov 1829, in Chatham, Ontario, Canada. Does anyone know where I could find out which ship he came on during this timeline? Pat from Kansas

For guides to researching Master Mariners (captains), births at sea, etc, see http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKPages.htm and click on Merchant Navy. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON WHEATLEY" <ElnnWhtl@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <TheShipsList@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:11 AM Subject: [TSL] Donaldson Line > Hi > > I wonder if you would be able to help me or give me any advice please? > > My g.grandfather I am told was a ship's captain for the Donaldson Line. > Possibly in the 1880's and 1890's (as he is supposed to have had a > daughter born on sea in about 1889/90 or 91). > His name was Francis/Frank Courtney (McCourtney). > He lived in Greenock most of the time. > > I haven't been able to find the birth at sea (apparently according to > stories on the equator) nor anything that tells me that Francis was > indeed a Ship's Captain! > > I can't find him or his family in 1891 so wondered if he was at sea > and if there was a census taken at sea? > > He had at least one daughter "adopted" by a ships engineer called > James McKenzie but I can't find anything on him or his wife Jessie at > all! > > Please are you able to help at all? > > Are there any records for the Donaldson Line that would list ship's > captains or the crew? > > Would they have kept records of births at sea? > > So many questions... > > I look forward to hearing from you, with thanks > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My in-laws sailed on the Carthaginian, departing Glasgow on 2 Nov 1915, according to the Inspection Cards (Immigrants and Steerage Passengers). I am not certain of their port of arrival. I cannot find a passenger list for this sailing. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Thanks Mary McAdam USA

Hello: "... a lesson that one must look at every option regarding spelling and the power of a list like this one. I am awed and humbled." --Clifford Louis Bischoff Last thoughts: Records are just that... recorded data/info of events of someone's life. But do not - ever - take them as the gospel truth, unless you were there at that moment in time when the event took place. So, you didn't find info you were seeking. So what. You know your ancestor(s) existed and alot of times that is all we have. Intuitions, inclinations, clues, feelings, inklings, etc., whatever term feels right... take it, go with it, and fly. The sky's the limit. "I am awed and humbled." --Clifford Louis Bischoff Aw shucks! Methinks another slice of humble pie twill do it, right hea... in the Heart, mate! <G> "Happy Hunting All", --Manaia Bishlark@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 09/26/2006 2:06:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, otg@csolve.net writes: On 26 Sep 2006 at 11:25, manaia alofa wrote: > See www.castlegarden.org again, and check for a Wolfgang > LAITH arriving New York 1888. Greetings, In many counselors lies wisdom. I do believe that Wolfgang Laith is Wolfgang Raith. Birth year is correct, arrival is correct, month is only one month off from his declaration (I can't remember what month we took a vacation four or more years ago) and his destination to Appleton, Wisconsin makes sense. I can understand that the trilled German "R" could come out as an "L" to some ears. Also another brother came to the USA through Antwerp Belgium. Not to bore you with personal stuff but this again is a lesson that one must look at every option regarding spelling and the power of a list like this one. I am awed and humbled. Clifford Louis Bischoff --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Hi I wonder if you would be able to help me or give me any advice please? My g.grandfather I am told was a ship's captain for the Donaldson Line. Possibly in the 1880's and 1890's (as he is supposed to have had a daughter born on sea in about 1889/90 or 91). His name was Francis/Frank Courtney (McCourtney). He lived in Greenock most of the time. I haven't been able to find the birth at sea (apparently according to stories on the equator) nor anything that tells me that Francis was indeed a Ship's Captain! I can't find him or his family in 1891 so wondered if he was at sea and if there was a census taken at sea? He had at least one daughter "adopted" by a ships engineer called James McKenzie but I can't find anything on him or his wife Jessie at all! Please are you able to help at all? Are there any records for the Donaldson Line that would list ship's captains or the crew? Would they have kept records of births at sea? So many questions... I look forward to hearing from you, with thanks

John Graham was born in Comrie,Perthshire, Scotland in 1846. He is supposed to have come to Canada in 1872 possibly accompanied by his wife and mother, both called Margaret Graham. Would there be passenger lists for this period? Regards, Virginia

On 26 Sep 2006 at 18:25, Debbie Bert wrote: > I have not been able to find the passenger lists for the > above ships to figure out if it is my Joseph. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml There's a limited access period right now for ships lists to NY and Boston, plus images, online at Ancestry It's free, no credit card needed. have fun! Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Diane Deagle at mapadeagle@shaw.ca asks about the family-Bergsveinn Jonsson, wife Sesselja Jonsdottir and 4 children, Margret, Jon, Kristjan and Dadi (their last name was Bergsveinson/Bergsveinsdottir) who emigrated from Iceland to Winnepeg in 1888. She confirmed that they boarded the Copeland to Scotland and I know that the Copeland ran aground in 1888 and was lost. Therefore the event could not have been later than that date. Bergsveinn died in Winnipeg,Manitoba,Canada Jan 14, 1891. Can anyone identify the ship that they crossed to Canada from the UK please? Don (on Diane's behalf)

<<If you are talking about Ancestry.com's online CG database, it agrees with the filmed lists.>> Could someone with access to Ancestry please do a lookup for me. I am trying to find the ship that Joseph Herskowitz came to America on. He came from the Hungary-Austria region. One census even lists them as coming from Germany. I have eliminated the ship Werra already, that Joseph isn't the right age. Joseph or Josef Herskowitz (have found this surname spelled different ways) b. Feb. 1864. He married Ida Markovitz, she was born 1866. I don't know if they married before they came or if they married here in America. The census records show him coming to America in 1890 and her in 1891. Their children were born in New York. I did find a Josef Hersckowiz listed as coming to america on the ship Teutonic, arriving in New york on June 19, 1890. (ship no. 135, film no. 1027786). Also on that same roll of film is an Ida Herschkovitz arriving on the ship Normannia on June 28, 1890. Also a Josef Herschkwitz on the ship Rugia, arriving Dec. 22, 1891 , film no. 1027626. I have not been able to find the passenger lists for the above ships to figure out if it is my Joseph. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks deb

In a message dated 09/26/2006 2:06:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, otg@csolve.net writes: On 26 Sep 2006 at 11:25, manaia alofa wrote: > See www.castlegarden.org again, and check for a Wolfgang > LAITH arriving New York 1888. Greetings, In many counselors lies wisdom. I do believe that Wolfgang Laith is Wolfgang Raith. Birth year is correct, arrival is correct, month is only one month off from his declaration (I can't remember what month we took a vacation four or more years ago) and his destination to Appleton, Wisconsin makes sense. I can understand that the trilled German "R" could come out as an "L" to some ears. Also another brother came to the USA through Antwerp Belgium. Not to bore you with personal stuff but this again is a lesson that one must look at every option regarding spelling and the power of a list like this one. I am awed and humbled. Clifford Louis Bischoff

Hi Don and Diane, Don you forgot to mention when the Copeland ran aground. Iceland and Scotland were (still are) big trading partners, so Icelanders nearly always "ferried" to Scotland to embark on transatlantic steamers. At 06:56 PM 2006-09-26 +0100, Don Hazeldine wrote: >Diane Deagle at mapadeagle@shaw.ca asks about the family-Bergsveinn Jonsson, >wife Sesselja Jonsdottir and 4 children, Margret, Jon, Kristjan and Dadi >(their last name was Bergsveinson/Bergsveinsdottir) who emigrated from >Iceland to Winnepeg in 1888. >She confirmed that they boarded the Copeland to Scotland and I know that the >Copeland ran aground in 1888 and was lost. Therefore the event could not >have been later than that date. >Bergsveinn died in Winnipeg,Manitoba,Canada Jan 14, 1891. Can anyone >identify the ship that they crossed to Canada from the UK please? > >Don >(on Diane's behalf) If Margret was born August 13 1876 and "K" was born August 13th 1884, then their 1901 census listing says they arrived in 1887 rather than 1888, however remembered emigration years are often in error on census documents. This is the houshold . . you can see what fun transcriptions can be . . the surname for Margaret and her husband and son looks more like Johnson to me. However, IF they lost a child at sea, make sure you check the first 1888 arrival .. NORWEGIAN >> Svienn Bergsvensson [sic], 3 1/2 months July 5th 1888 << Joehnson? Walter M Head M May 14 1875 25 Joehnson Margret F Wife M Apr 13 1876 24 Joehnson? Bergsveitn? M Son S Oct 13 1899 1 Sigurson Mrs. G. F Lodger W Apr 12 1867 34 Johnson Mrs. G. F Lodger S May 28 1871 29 Bergsveinsson K. M Brother S Aug 13 1884 16 Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada Subdistrict: Ward/Quartier No. 3, Winnipeg (City/Cité), MANITOBA District Number: 12 Subdistrict Number: c-5 Archives Microfilm: T6436 From the CD-ROM --"TheShipsList Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports 1865-1899"-- http://theshipslist.com/cdrom/index.htm Reel Number Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks C-4536 NORWEGIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1888-06-29 Quebec, Que. 1888-07-08 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Icelanders (319) List Number: 38; Captain Robert Carruthers; death at sea: [Emily?] July 7th 1888 & [?] July 6th 1888 & Svienn Bergsvensson [sic], 3 1/2 months July 5th 1888; faded manifest C-4536 HIBERNIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1888-07-14 Quebec, Que. 1888-07-28 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Icelanders (246) List Number: 48; Captain John Brown; faded manifest C-4536 CARTHAGINIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1888-09-07 Quebec, Que. 1888-09-18 / Montreal, Que. (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Icelanders to Winnipeg (90) List Number: 79; Captain Angus Macnicol C-4514 SCANDINAVIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1888-08-16 / Londonderry, Ireland 1888-08-17 / Galway, Ireland 1888-08-[n.d.] Halifax, N.S. 1888-08-29 / Philadelphia, PA (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Icelandic Passengers (some pages faded) List Number: 65; Captain John Park Just in case, in 1887 there were 9 ships arriving at Quebec with Icelanders, all from Glasgow except one, which from Liverpool with one small Icelandic group for Ottawa. The first two groups for 1887 were large, not beginning before July . . eg. C-4535 NORWEGIAN Glasgow, Scotland 1887-07-02 Quebec, Que. 1887-07-11 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Large Party of Icelanders to Winnipeg List Number: 46; Captain Robert Carruthers C-4535 BUENOS AYREAN Glasgow, Scotland 1887-07-17 Quebec, Que. 1887-07-27 (MTL) Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line) (O): Icelanders for mostly Winnipeg (830) six child deaths, 2 births List Number: 53; Captain James Scott <snip> There is one more on reel C-4535 and the rest are on C-4536. In 1887 BUENOS AYREAN had three trips with Icelanders, the NORWEGIAN had two, SIBERIAN x1, GRECIAN x2. The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the Library & Archives of Canada [LAC], in Ottawa. The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan [ILL]. You can find the details for this procedure at this LAC Genealogy Research URL http://www.collectionscanada.ca/ill/index-e.html You are also able to ILL from Ottawa, to libraries in the US, and outside North America. These microfilms contain arrivals from ALL ports, they are not indexed. The LDS do also have copies of this microfilm, their number LDS number 0889458 - 1887 & 0889459 - 1888 ~ port of Quebec Diane I see you have a Canadian email address. Here find a list of institutions in Canada who also have copies of this microfilm. You may have one close by http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-903-e.html Good Luck Sue --

And if you want to see the actual image of the passenger list, try http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml and click on the NY Passenger Lists link On 26 Sep 2006 at 11:25, manaia alofa wrote: > See www.castlegarden.org again, and check for a Wolfgang > LAITH arriving New York 1888. > > HTH, > --Manaia > > > Bryce Rumbles <brycerumbles@yahoo.com> wrote: > To my knowledge, they are very much INcomplete -- no where > near where ellisisland.org was when they went public. I > have yet to find ANYONE I've searched for there! But it > can only improve, right? > > Bishlark@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, > > How complete are the Castle Gardens Lists? > > I am looking for Wolfgang Raith who according to his > Declaration of Intent arrived in New York in October of > 1888. I know that he came from Ried am Haidstein, Koetzting > in East Bavaria. > > No success as of today. > > 1) I know the name could be misread by the scribe. > > 2) I know that the arrival year was one of the most > misremembered dates on census information although he filed > Declaration of 1892 which is only four years out. Seems to > me to file the Declaration in a court he would have had to > have good information. > > 3) Is it possible that his ship is not yet in the system? > > Clifford Bischoff > > Bryce > King of Info Dude > www.myspace.com/brumbar > www.myspace.com/georgetc2006 > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

I googled & found your ship on the link below along with a lot of other ship pictures. _http://www.ende-genealogy.de/ships.htm_ (http://www.ende-genealogy.de/ships.htm) Beverly Mack Zanon ISTG Charter Member/Research Team _http://www.immigrantships.net_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/) ____________________________________ Looking for a photo of the ship Hammonia time period is 1883. Thank You, Colleen

See www.castlegarden.org again, and check for a Wolfgang LAITH arriving New York 1888. HTH, --Manaia Bryce Rumbles <brycerumbles@yahoo.com> wrote: To my knowledge, they are very much INcomplete -- no where near where ellisisland.org was when they went public. I have yet to find ANYONE I've searched for there! But it can only improve, right? Bishlark@aol.com wrote: Greetings, How complete are the Castle Gardens Lists? I am looking for Wolfgang Raith who according to his Declaration of Intent arrived in New York in October of 1888. I know that he came from Ried am Haidstein, Koetzting in East Bavaria. No success as of today. 1) I know the name could be misread by the scribe. 2) I know that the arrival year was one of the most misremembered dates on census information although he filed Declaration of 1892 which is only four years out. Seems to me to file the Declaration in a court he would have had to have good information. 3) Is it possible that his ship is not yet in the system? Clifford Bischoff Bryce King of Info Dude www.myspace.com/brumbar www.myspace.com/georgetc2006 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

On 25 Sep 2006 at 19:34, ROGER KNIERIEM wrote: > Oral history states my grandmother went back to Ireland > leaving Boston 1918-1921 with three small children. I can > not find her on any Boston Manifest returning during that > time period. I have looked under different spelling of her > name and so forth. Is there a way she could have returned > with three children and not been recorded?? If she returned she would be recorded on a list. Did you check the Boston free access passenger lists 1820 - 1943 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml You didn't tell the list her name or any dates of birth etc or her children's names so I can't have a look for you. But the access at the URL above is entirely free (no credit card required) so have fun! Lorine **Search over 5,000 Ships Passenger Lists to USA http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml ** Naturalization Records at http://naturalizationrecords.com/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ otg@csolve.net

Hi folks, I am looking for more information about my grandfather James Jesse Stroud who was born on a ship bound for New Zealand (I do have a birth date). I'm hoping there are lists of infants born at sea that I might be abkle to access to try and sift through in the hope of finding more. Apparently on arrival at Bluff (most southerly port of New Zealand, near Invercargill) his mother (an actress/singer travelling on the ship) handed the infant to people on the wharf by the name of Carter and she disappeared. I did hear some story about the birth father being the son of 'landed gentry' who didn't want to take on the responsibility of a wife who was an entertainer and her child and she didn't want to be hampered by an illegitimate child. The child was adopted by the Stroud family of Invercargill. This would have been sometime in the last half of the 1800s. I believe my grandfather travelled extensively in his late teens and early 20s before joining the British Army and serving in India where he met his wife to be who was part of the household of a British Army officer. I understand he was leader of the Vice Roy's Orchestra as well as taking part in regular army activities. The couple married and moved to New Zealand to live. Jim, a gifted musician, songwriter, composer, and string instrument teacher, had initially gone off to England to try and find out more about his birth family but I didn't ever hear if he was successful. He joined the British Songwriters Society. He also served in Gallipoli and France with the ANZACs before returning to New Zealand. Jim kept me entertained with his stories of exploits in India and in Europe - he was a great storywriter so I'm not too sure how many of his tales are correct - although I am sure there was some truth in them! Thanks in anticipation, Cheers Ainslie (in Adelaide, South Australia)

On 25 Sep 2006 at 20:22, Bishlark@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > How complete are the Castle Gardens Lists? If you are talking about the lists on the CG website t's an ongoing project. It isn't complete. If you are talking about the filmed lists, they should be complete If you are talking about Ancestry.com's online CG database, it agrees with the filmed lists. If you are talking about CG lists on other websites, such as http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/castle-garden.htm it isn't complete. > > 2) I know that the arrival year was one of the most > misremembered dates on census information although he filed > Declaration of 1892 which is only four years out. Seems to > me to file the Declaration in a court he would have had to > have good information. Nope. It wasn't verified before 1906 so he could have told them anything. > > 3) Is it possible that his ship is not yet in the system? > Depends what "system" you are referring to. Have you tried the open access to this database on Ancestry? No credit card needed, entirely free at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml It's a time limited offer, but since it has all the ships and all the images from the filmed lists, it's probably your best bet. Be sure to be very creative in spelling. I know you said you are aware of that, but you didn't tell us what variations you've used. Use the wildcards on Ancestry to widen your search. Use only a first name. Use only a surname. use only a year and place of origin....etc But most importantly don't forget that "R" names can be heard (and therefore spelled) as "Wr" Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com

Hello Colleen, Photos of HAMMONIA at http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/ regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Dobrzynski" <seedsofcuriousity@yahoo.com> To: <TheShipsList@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: [TSL] Hammonia in 1883 Looking for a photo of the ship Hammonia time period is 1883. Thank You, Colleen --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message