Hope those who celebrate it are enjoying the Canada Day Weekend! And a happy July 4th to those who celebrate that special day. Olive Tree Genealogy added more ships passenger lists for outbound ships leaving New York. USA did not keep its outbound lists so finding any is very challenging. This project is an ongoing one and is entirely free for all. Today's new ships added are easiest to get to by going to the What's New in June page on Olive Tree Genealogy at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/free0608.shtml The new ships are listed below and they are linked from the URL above. * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Europa for Liverpool from New York 20 May 1852 * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Jason for Liverpool from New York 2 Nov 1857 * Added partial List of passengers on board Steamship Kangaroo for Liverpool from New York 18 June 1858 * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Kangaroo for Liverpool from New York 30 July 1858 * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Minestora for Liverpool from New York 4 May 1867 * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Jamestown from Norfolk, Richmond etc Virginia from New York 30 July 1858 * Added partial List of passengers on board steamship Jamestown for Norfolk, Petersburg and Richmond Virginia from New York 2 Nov 1857 Please feel free to pass this notice on to any relevant mailing lists. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

I am trying to find out if any McClures came with John Mateer (McTeer) on the Chieftain on 29, May, 1849 from Ireland. Also, does it list town or city from which he came? I appreciate any help you can offer. Regards, Adrienne Labrousse Marrison

on 26 Jun 2008 Virginia Miller wrote: Could someone please tell me if there is an image of the ship "Zieten" available online somewhere? It sailed in 1912 from Rotterdam to Portland,Maine carrying among it's passengers my husband's grandparents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a postcard image currently on sale at euro6.00 at http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,38805708,var,fr3269-Bremen-Norddeutscher-Lloyd-Gruss-von-Bord-des-Dampfers-Zieten,language,E.html and a superb photo of her "1st Class Dining Room" inviting a euro12.00 opening bid at http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,33258313,var,THEMES-BATEAUX-PAQUEBOTS-Cabine-de-Premieres-Classe-du-Bateau-Allemand-R-D-ZIETEN,language,E.html best wishes David

Hi everyone The following Naturalization Documents have been added to http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/ website * Added Naturalization Certificate for Isaac Pope, Boulder Colorado 1814 * Added Naturalization Certificate for Christine Malck from Germany, in Hudson County New Jersey 1941. Includes photo * Added Naturalization Certificate for Joseph Dioguardi from Italy, living in Glen Head, Oyster Bay New York. Nassau County 1924 * Added Naturalization Certificate for Mary Dioguardi from Italy, living in Glen Head, Oyster Bay New York. Nassau County 1924 * Added Naturalization Certificate for Grace Chiples of Cleveland Ohio, 1943 Includes photo It is easiest to use the links found at the WHAT'S NEW IN JUNE 2008 page at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/free0608.shtml Hope you find an ancestor, and please go ahead and pass this message on to any on-topic lists for NY, NJ, CO or OH Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

My serch is about JOHANNES JACOB inmigrated to Argentina in 1877? coming from Hamburg port, Germany He was a German of Russia. Ship:I think S.S Argentina Lv: Hamburg 1877 to Buenos Aires Argentina Thanks all. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Video. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-es

Hello Drew Finding a passenger list to Canada in the time period you want is a challenge. Ships Passenger lists to Canada did not have to be archived until 1865 so pre 1865 are few and far between. You may want to check out the chart at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/canada/ It is 2 columns - pre 1865 and post 1865. Each column has a list of every project or website which has ships lists or alternatives plus links to them. It's quite extensive, and pretty much covers all available resources. Best of luck Lorine On 26 Jun 2008 at 7:01, Drew Comeau wrote: > Hello List, > I'm new to this list here, but am familiar as I am a member > of the Wellington County and Islay, Scotland rootsweb > lists.  Shot in the dark here, but I was wondering if > anybody might have a record of passenger lists for any of > the following ships from Scotland to Quebec in 1848.  -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Hello Virginia, I can't find an online photo of the ZIETEN, but there is one of her identical sister ship GNEISENAU at http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=roona Photo of ZIETEN at reasonable price from http://freespace.virgin.net/donald.hazeldine/Passenger.htm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "virginia miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: [TSL] Zieten > Could someone please tell me if there is an image of the ship "Zieten" > available online somewhere? It sailed in 1912 from Rotterdam to > Portland,Maine carrying among it's passengers my husband's grandparents. > Regards, > Virginia > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1517 - Release Date: 24/06/2008 20:41

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:57 AM Subject: [TSL] Frederick Cavill and family > > Looking for information on Frederick Cavill, born 1839 in > Knightsbridge > (Professor of Swimming) who emigrated to Aus in 1879 with his > family. I have all > the census information and BMD on this family but just need to find > out what > ship they left on and the names of the family members, especially > his wife, > that left with him. If anyone has access to such records and is > willing to > help I would be extremely grateful Hi Margaret Prior to 1 Jan 1901 there really was no such place as Australia This big island was just a loose collection of separate Colonies who all kept their own records You say you have all the BDMs , from which State ? This list is International so it helps to give clue as to your location in the world Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

Hello List, I'm new to this list here, but am familiar as I am a member of the Wellington County and Islay, Scotland rootsweb lists.  Shot in the dark here, but I was wondering if anybody might have a record of passenger lists for any of the following ships from Scotland to Quebec in 1848.  I am looking for McMillans and McIntyres that settled in Arthur Township, Wellington County.  I believe I have checked every websites for ships and immigrants, but to no avail.  I'm hoping maybe someone's ancester came over on one of these ships and may have a list or some knowledge and I can narrow the search or hit the lottery. My direct ancestor's were leaving the Isle of Islay.  The closest ports would have been out of Glasgow/Greenock.  I am not aware of any ships leaving for North America out of Islay.  If anyone has a list of ships in 1848 to Montreal from Scotland, I would appreciate if you could list. Thanks in Advance. Port:  Glasgow 1.  Albion of Greenock(-made two trips to Quebec that year.) 2.  Pesina of Cambeltown 3.  Cambria of Greenock 4.  Circassian of Greenock 5.  Favourite of Greenock 6.  Mary of Greenock 7.  Jessie Stephens of Irvine 8.  Blonde of Montreal 9.  Jamaica 10. Tay 11.  Canada of Greenock 12.  Erromanga of Greenock 13.  Favourite of Greenock Port;  Lock Laxford(probably Greenock or Glasgow) 1.  Greenock of Glasgow

Could someone please tell me if there is an image of the ship "Zieten" available online somewhere? It sailed in 1912 from Rotterdam to Portland,Maine carrying among it's passengers my husband's grandparents. Regards, Virginia

Margaret, This may all be old news to you so ignore me if that is so. Website http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070601b.htm The Australian Dictionary of Biographies has a detailed entry for him including the ship he sailed on "Cavill migrated to Australia, reaching Melbourne with his family in the Somersetshire in February 1879". Hope it helps Erin Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:57 To: [email protected] Subject: [TSL] Frederick Cavill and family Hi Listeners Looking for information on Frederick Cavill, born 1839 in Knightsbridge (Professor of Swimming) who emigrated to Aus in 1879 with his family. I have all the census information and BMD on this family but just need to find out what ship they left on and the names of the family members, especially his wife, that left with him. If anyone has access to such records and is willing to help I would be extremely grateful Thank you Margaret ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are researching my husband's great grandfather - Allan Carmichael Wylie - who died just as his daughter (my husband's grandmother) was born. We knew he was an engineer on a steamship but had thought this was on a ship between Glasgow and Liverpool. Recently we found his death registration - "A.Wylie, M, 40, Apoplexy, 2/11/72, Bertha, official number 65274, 28/11/72". We followed this up at the Liverpool Maritime Museum, using microfilms : Lloyd's List London Sep-Oct 1972 & Nov-Dec 1872. However, we then found reference at the museum to Allan's older daughters being admitted to the Liverpool Seamen's Orphanage soon after his death - this said that Allan Wylie was Chief Engineer on the SS Virago. This led us to research the whereabouts of the SS Virago (official number 65215) at the time of Allan's death, again using microfilms at Liverpool Maritime Museum: Lloyd's List London 1872. >From these two lists of the voyages of SS Bertha and SS Virago it seems they were both in the Suez Canal at the time Allan died. He was Chief Engineer on the Virago but his death was registered as a passenger on Bertha. SS Bertha arrived back in London on 21 November 1872 and reported his death on 28 November 1972. SS Virago arrived in London on 7 December 1872. >From the Maritime History Archive in Newfoundland we have received copies of the crew agreement and extracts from the log book for the Virago's earlier voyage to India Aug -Dec 1871, listing Allan Wylie (certificate number 6347) as 1st engineer. We cannot find the whereabouts of the agreement and/or log book for the Virago 1872 but we have the log book entry for the Bertha which describes Allan's death and burial at sea by the master of the Bertha on the afternoon of his death, 2 Nov 1872. We don't know why or when he transferred ships. The Virago crew agreement 1871 names Allan's previous ship in 1871 as the 'Oceanic of Liverpool'. We have found online a ship of this name with the official number 63332 and reference to its maiden voyage to New York in early 1871. Also on the web a transcription of its passenger list for that voyage. Does anyone know any more about the ship and any records which might exist and which might allow us to track Allan's career back further? We cannot find any crew agreements for the Oceanic. Any help gratefully received! Eileen Cowen

The London Times of April 27, 1871 reports: Holyhead, April 26. The White Star steamer Oceanic, from New York on the 15th inst., passed Holyhead at 9a.m. to-day. May 15, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. ... Queenstown, May 13. The Oceanic Steamship Company's steamer Oceanic arrived here, and having embarked passengers she proceeded for New York at 10a.m. to-day. June 13, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, June 12. The Oceanic Steam Navigation Company's steamer Oceanic, from New York on the evening of the 3d inst., arrived off here at 5 30a.m. to-day, with 240 saloon passengers. Ninety passengers were landed, and the Oceanic proceeded for Liverpool.... On June 24, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, June 23. ...The steamship Oceanic, of the White Star Line, arrived here from Liverpool to-day; she embarked passengers and proceeded for New York. On July 18, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, July 17. The Oceanic Steam Navigation Company's steamship Oceanic, White Star line, which arrived from New York off here at 11 40, has 130 saloon and 82 steerage passengers, and $225,000 in specie. She landed 20 saloon and 12 steerage passengers, and proceeded for Liverpool at 12 20. According to an ad she was set to sail again on Aug 3 but she does not appear in the paper again that year. Aug 29, 1871: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Aug. 28. The steamship Oceanic, Captain Thompson, of the White Star Line, arrived off here from New York, at 9 p.m., with 107 saloon and 86 steerage passengers. After landing some passengers and despatches, she proceeded for Liverpool; all well. Oct 3, 1871: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Oct. 2. The steamship Oceanic, of the White Star line, from New York on the 23d ult., arrived off here at 11 15a.m. to-day with 75 saloon and 50 steerage passengers. She landed 20 passengers, and proceeded immediately for Liverpool. Oct 14, 1871: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Oct. 13. ...The steamer Oceanic, of the White Star Line, arrived here from Liverpool at 1 30p.m. to-day, embarked passengers and latest despatches, and proceeded immediately for New York. Nov 9, 1871: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Nov. 8. The steamship Oceanic, of the White Star Line, arrived at 9 a.m. She has 105 saloon and 93 steerage passengers; she landed 20 passengers and proceeded. Nov 18, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Nov. 17. The steamship Oceanic, of the White Star Line, arrived here from Liverpool at 9 40a.m. to-day, embarked passengers and latest despatches, and proceeded for New York at 10 40a.m.;... Nov 29, 1871 is this: AMERICA. New York, Nov. 28. Cholera has disappeared at Halifax. Smallpox is spreading rapidly in Philadelphia, New York, and other cities. The White Star Line steamer Oceanic arrived here at 8a.m. to-day. Dec 23, 1871 is this: SHIP NEWS. Queenstown, Dec. 22. The steamship Oceanic, of the White Star Line, arrived at 1p.m.; embarked passengers and latest despatches, and proceeded for New York immediately. The Virago was a ship (according to the ad) of the Wilson Line sailing via the Suez to India. She is listed in the Times shipping news of July 11, 1872 sailing from Deal for Colombo. July 31, the paper reported her arrival at Malta. On Aug 8, the paper reported: "the Virago, 1,454 tons, on the 23d, 13 days from London, with a general cargo for Colombo;" On Sept 6, the paper reported the ships arrival in Calcutta on Sept. 4. On Sept 24, she was reported at Madras from London. On Dec 6, she is reported "Off The Wight, Dec. 5--The Virago, steamer, from Calcutta." As for Bertha... on Nov 14, 1872 the Times shipping news reported her arriving at Lisbon. On Nov 23, in a column called "The Suez Canal" was this little item. "Messrs. A. Laming and Co., shipping agents, Leadenhall-street, write to us with reference to a statement contained in the letter of our Malta Correspondent which appeared in The Times of Thursday last. In mentioning the vessels that had arrived in the island he said that the Bertha was 40 days from Calcutta to Malta. We are requested to state that this time included six days' detention in unloading and loading at Madras, thus reducing the passage to 34 days." Regards.. Marj At 03:52 PM 6/25/2008, Eileen Cowen wrote: >We are researching my husband's great grandfather - Allan Carmichael Wylie - >who died just as his daughter (my husband's grandmother) was born. We knew >he was an engineer on a steamship but had thought this was on a ship between >Glasgow and Liverpool. Recently we found his death registration - "A.Wylie, >M, 40, Apoplexy, 2/11/72, Bertha, official number 65274, 28/11/72". We >followed this up at the Liverpool Maritime Museum, using microfilms : >Lloyd's List London Sep-Oct 1972 & Nov-Dec 1872. > >However, we then found reference at the museum to Allan's older daughters >being admitted to the Liverpool Seamen's Orphanage soon after his death - >this said that Allan Wylie was Chief Engineer on the SS Virago. This led us >to research the whereabouts of the SS Virago (official number 65215) at the >time of Allan's death, again using microfilms at Liverpool Maritime Museum: >Lloyd's List London 1872. > > >From these two lists of the voyages of SS Bertha and SS Virago it seems >they were both in the Suez Canal at the time Allan died. He was Chief >Engineer on the Virago but his death was registered as a passenger on >Bertha. SS Bertha arrived back in London on 21 November 1872 and reported >his death on 28 November 1972. SS Virago arrived in London on 7 December >1872. > > >From the Maritime History Archive in Newfoundland we have received copies of >the crew agreement and extracts from the log book for the Virago's earlier >voyage to India Aug -Dec 1871, listing Allan Wylie (certificate number >6347) as 1st engineer. We cannot find the whereabouts of the agreement >and/or log book for the Virago 1872 but we have the log book entry for the >Bertha which describes Allan's death and burial at sea by the master of the >Bertha on the afternoon of his death, 2 Nov 1872. We don't know why or when >he transferred ships. > >The Virago crew agreement 1871 names Allan's previous ship in 1871 as the >'Oceanic of Liverpool'. We have found online a ship of this name with >the official number 63332 and reference to its maiden voyage to New York in >early 1871. Also on the web a transcription of its passenger list for that >voyage. Does anyone know any more about the ship and any records which might >exist and which might allow us to track Allan's career back further? We >cannot find any crew agreements for the Oceanic. > >Any help gratefully received! > >Eileen Cowen >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listeners Looking for information on Frederick Cavill, born 1839 in Knightsbridge (Professor of Swimming) who emigrated to Aus in 1879 with his family. I have all the census information and BMD on this family but just need to find out what ship they left on and the names of the family members, especially his wife, that left with him. If anyone has access to such records and is willing to help I would be extremely grateful Thank you Margaret

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Hi Kathy, To confirm Sue's email, there was no ship named WANASARI, but this was the WONOSARI. WONOSARI 1952 7,583 gross tons, length 507ft x beam 66.1ft, single screw, speed 16 knots, accommodation for 12 passengers. Built 1952 by Hpwaldstwerke AG, Hamburg for Rotterdam Lloyd, Rotterdam. In 1970 she was transferred to the Nedlloyd fleet and in 1971 transferred to Ruys Transportation NV and placed on the Holland - China - Java service. 1977 sold to Uniocean Line, Singapore renamed LUCILLE. On 21st Sep.1980 she was trapped at Basra during the Iran - Iraq war and laid up there with war damage. 1982 declared a constructive total loss. Photo at http://home.kpnplanet.nl/[email protected]/wonosari.htm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [TSL] Rotterdam Lloyd Line Wanasari > > When I was 7 years old my family travelled from Seattle, WA, USA to > Singapore on a 12 passenger freighter named the Wanasari. I have > googled to find out about that ship and so far have turned up no > information. Can you help me? > > Kathy > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 22/06/2008 07:52

At 01:57 PM 2008-06-23 -0300, [email protected] wrote: >When I was 7 years old my family travelled from Seattle, WA, USA to >Singapore on a 12 passenger freighter named the Wanasari. I have >googled to find out about that ship and so far have turned up no >information. Can you help me? > >Kathy Hi Kathy, I don't know the full details of the ship, but I think maybe the WONOSARI ? Wonosari 1952 1970 to Nedlloyd, 1977 sold to Singapore renamed Lucille. 7,583 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/rotterdamL.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

When I was 7 years old my family travelled from Seattle, WA, USA to Singapore on a 12 passenger freighter named the Wanasari. I have googled to find out about that ship and so far have turned up no information. Can you help me? Kathy

Hi Listers, As I sit daily and "lurk" behind the scenes here, am amazed of how many sailing vessiles there have been documented and now are at our finger tips..and the vairied sizes that floated in the big bath tub of which we call the "POND"...i am an sea going person since the age of 5, not afraid of man nor beast, but to think of putting the life and limb on some of these ships, scares the pants off of me. Good job by nice folks to make our days happy in gained knowledge. ~Linda~ Willow Creek,CA.

Hello Everyone, I have just discovered that my Father William Allan aged 19 arrived in Sydney Australia on the ship RMS Manuka on the 19th February 1919 as an unassisted immigrant. He departed from Wellington, New Zealand. I have spent many years trying to find exactly when he arrived in this country and now am hoping that this is the right William Allan. I have searched many other William Allan's but always the wrong person. Would anyone have the passenger list, or any information on the Ship. Thanks very much, Regards Desni