Good Morning Don, The MARAMA (sp) was a 6,437 gross ton passenger ship built 1907 by Caird & Co, Greenock for Union SS Co of NZ Used mainly on the Trans-Tasman route, but was transferred to the Vancouver service in 1908 and 1909. During WWI she was converted to a hospital ship and saw service as such from 5th Oct.1915 to 21st Jul.1919 when she returned to her owners. In 1937 she was sold to Japanese shipbreakers. There were many ships named VICTORIA but unfortunately Union SS Co did not own a ship with this name, Full fleet list at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/unionnz.html Try the search box at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/index.htm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: [TSL] Union Steamship Co of Newzealand Good morning list, We are interest in learning more about the two ships Victoria and Marana owned/operated by this company, both found listed on the San Francisco passenger/crew arrivals list. Listed on both ships was a Donald Mennie, carpenter on various arrivals between 1912 and 1915, who may be a relative. The last sighting of him was 21st May, 1915 when the Marana sailed from San Francisco bound for Sydney . We understand that several of this companies ships were transferred to war service. Were these two ships included in the transfer? Any information about where and when these ships were built and their eventual fate will be most welcome. Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 21/08/2008 18:54

Hello to all: I tried posting this message a few weeks ago but I don't think it went thru, never saw it posted; if it is a rerun, I apologize. I'm trying to understand why, on the Ellis Island site, my grandfather, Michaly Beny, arrives aboard the "Dresden" on 05/31/1892 but in the recently obtained copy of his "Alien Registration Form", it is written that he arrived on a German boat, the "Verra". I googled the Verra but couldn't get anywhere as I don't read German. He came originally from Hungary but an area that is now in Slovakia. Can anyone suggest why the discrepancy in names of ships? Is it likely he travelled on one ship before crossing the Atlantic on the Dresden, which sailed from Bremen? I know people often forgot the names of the ships they arrived on but this seems to be a rather big name difference. What route might someone from Hungary have taken to get to Bremen? I appreciate any input. Thanks, Nancy

Hi Ray, The WALLASEA was a 1,311 gross ton three masted, full rigged ship, length 188ft x beam 38ft, built 1860 at Belfast, Maine and owned by C. W. H. Pickering, Liverpool. She disappears from the Registers after 1871. See http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch.cfm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Rob" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: [TSL] " WALLASEA " > > > The ship WALLASEA carried emigrants and immigrants from England to > Australia , at some stage of her commission. > In particular it was noted on this Mailing List , many years back , that > the ship sailed on that run , between 1865 and 1867. > > Information about the ship is sought. and although such questions have > previously been asked on this Mailing List , I am unable to locate any > response. > > So eight years on may I re-open the subject ? > > Is there information to be had somewhere , on this ship , I wonder ? > > Cheers > Ray > > _________________________________________________________________ > SEEK New Zealand's #1 jobsite > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2FID%5FSEEKNZMAIN%5FUSR%2FPages%2Falliance%5Fhomepage%2Eascx%3FComeFrom%3Dmsnnz%26tracking%3Dsk%3Asptlmini%3Ask%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Awindowslive%3A%231&_t=757263783&_r=Seek_NZ_tagline_no1&_m=EXT > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 21/08/2008 > 18:54 > > >

Good morning list, We are interest in learning more about the two ships Victoria and Marana owned/operated by this company, both found listed on the San Francisco passenger/crew arrivals list. Listed on both ships was a Donald Mennie, carpenter on various arrivals between 1912 and 1915, who may be a relative. The last sighting of him was 21st May, 1915 when the Marana sailed from San Francisco bound for Sydney . We understand that several of this companies ships were transferred to war service. Were these two ships included in the transfer? Any information about where and when these ships were built and their eventual fate will be most welcome. Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/

on Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:20:41 +0100 David Railton wrote > Can anyone tell me if Funchal, Madeira was a port of call on any passenger > routes from any part of the world through Med/Suez to India in 1922? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although not researched in detail, I would be very surprised if there were regular direct sailings between Madeira and India via the Mediterranean as Funchal is really in the wrong direction. It was a regular port of call on European services to west and southern Africa and E Coast South America. Even for passengers moving between the Portuguese territories of Madeira and Goa they would likely have changed ship at Lisbon. Other connecting ports could be Cadiz, Barcelona, Marseille, Genoa - or for Brits, back in the UK. David

David, Try this URL - http://www.cunard.com/Destinations/PortDetails.asp?LeftNav=Planner&sub=&Region=&portid=335 I googled "Funchal Madeira 1922" - to get this one and there were several other likely URLs too. I am sure if you chase around using combinations such as Madeira + India + 1922 you will find out more information. I didn't have very long online due to other commitments but a few minutes browsing through these sites would no doubt give you the answers you're after. Cheers Ainslie.

Can anyone tell me if Funchal, Madeira was a port of call on any passenger routes from any part of the world through Med/Suez to India in 1922? David

Hello Harry, About 2 years ago, you forwarded on this list an article extracted from the "New York Times, September 14, 1853, page 2". In this article, it is mentioned that this document is the 38th letter on "the Production, Industry and Resources of the Slave States". Did you have the opportunity to look at the other letters? Did any of them also related to New Orleans or to Louisiana in general? How could it be possible to locate the other letters? And, may be, to have some scanning of them? Thank you very much in advance. And thank you again for sharing that 38th letter. Best regards.. Jean-Louis Crespin >From Paris (France) e-mail: [email protected]

It has been suggested to me that a particular traveller from England to Madeira in 1922 may have been on the first stage of a voyage to India. The ship she disembarked from at Madeira went on to Buenos Aires. I would imagine that it would be an unusual route to take. Can anyone tell me if there were passenger services from Madeira to India in the 1920s? I imagine that if there were any they would be very infrequent. David

[email protected] wrote: > About 2 years ago, you forwarded on this list an article extracted from > the "New York Times, September 14, 1853, page 2". > > In this article, it is mentioned that this document is the 38th letter on > "the Production, Industry and Resources of the Slave States". > > How could it be possible to locate the other letters? And, may be, to have > some scanning of them? I'm not Harry, but I can answer your question. The archives of the New York Times is available free online at their website: http://www.nytimes.com/ At the top of their home page is a search box. Put "Production, Industry and Resources of the Slave States" in the box and you will find the entire series of letters. To narrow down your search, you can click on "Go to Advanced Search" on the results page. The articles are all in pdf format and can be downloaded. Good luck! Kathy

When I try this site it doesn't work. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 226 Today's Topics: 1. Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org (Manaia Alofa) 2. Re: Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org (Sue Swiggum) 3. Re: Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org (Manaia Alofa) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Manaia Alofa <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello: Looking for Castle Garden destination codes info. Can anyone help? Thanks! --Manaia ++++ --- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Stroebel <[email protected]> wrote: > I am looking at my great grandmother data from > castlegarden.org and the destination code reads > "8581" and she arrived in New York City from > hamburg, germany and lived and died from 1883 until after > 1910 in Jersey City, New Jersey. These codes can't be > right. > > -Dave > > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Manaia Alofa > <[email protected]> wrote: > > 7328: USA > > 2880: Canada > > 3455: Bermuda > > 7778: New York > > > > This was answered recently on the Rootsweb mailing > list, > > See: > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.immigration.ships/2068.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx < snip > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:08:26 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TSL] Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Manaia, I believe this was just answered recently, but Steve Morse has them here http://www.stevemorse.org/ http://stevemorse.org/ellis/destcodes.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 01:54 PM 2008-08-14 -0700, Manaia Alofa wrote: >Hello: > >Looking for Castle Garden destination codes info. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks! >--Manaia > >++++ > >--- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Stroebel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am looking at my great grandmother data from > > castlegarden.org and the destination code reads > > "8581" and she arrived in New York City from > > hamburg, germany and lived and died from 1883 until after > > 1910 in Jersey City, New Jersey. These codes can't be > > right. > > > > -Dave > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Manaia Alofa > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 7328: USA > > > 2880: Canada > > > 3455: Bermuda > > > 7778: New York > > > > > > This was answered recently on the Rootsweb mailing > > list, > > > See: > > > > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.immigration.ships/2068.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx >< snip > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Manaia Alofa <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TSL] Destination Codes on CastleGarden.org To: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]>, [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Bless Your Heart" Sue, always thinking for others, like the Good Soul you are! I've got more ?s coming soon. GRIN --Manaia ++++ --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Manaia, > > I believe this was just answered recently, but Steve Morse > has them here > http://www.stevemorse.org/ > http://stevemorse.org/ellis/destcodes.htm > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 226 ********************************************

Hi Manaia, I believe this was just answered recently, but Steve Morse has them here http://www.stevemorse.org/ http://stevemorse.org/ellis/destcodes.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 01:54 PM 2008-08-14 -0700, Manaia Alofa wrote: >Hello: > >Looking for Castle Garden destination codes info. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks! >--Manaia > >++++ > >--- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Stroebel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am looking at my great grandmother data from > > castlegarden.org and the destination code reads > > "8581" and she arrived in New York City from > > hamburg, germany and lived and died from 1883 until after > > 1910 in Jersey City, New Jersey. These codes can't be > > right. > > > > -Dave > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Manaia Alofa > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 7328: USA > > > 2880: Canada > > > 3455: Bermuda > > > 7778: New York > > > > > > This was answered recently on the Rootsweb mailing > > list, > > > See: > > > > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.immigration.ships/2068.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx >< snip >

"Bless Your Heart" Sue, always thinking for others, like the Good Soul you are! I've got more ?s coming soon. GRIN --Manaia ++++ --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Manaia, > > I believe this was just answered recently, but Steve Morse > has them here > http://www.stevemorse.org/ > http://stevemorse.org/ellis/destcodes.htm > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hello: Looking for Castle Garden destination codes info. Can anyone help? Thanks! --Manaia ++++ --- On Thu, 8/14/08, David Stroebel <[email protected]> wrote: > I am looking at my great grandmother data from > castlegarden.org and the destination code reads > "8581" and she arrived in New York City from > hamburg, germany and lived and died from 1883 until after > 1910 in Jersey City, New Jersey. These codes can't be > right. > > -Dave > > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Manaia Alofa > <[email protected]> wrote: > > 7328: USA > > 2880: Canada > > 3455: Bermuda > > 7778: New York > > > > This was answered recently on the Rootsweb mailing > list, > > See: > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.immigration.ships/2068.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx < snip >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <To: "Magoris H.D." <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] Duchess of Northumberland - Cork to Port Jackson - 1836 > Hi Deirdre, > > Did you find his partial bio on "Australian Medical Pioneers?" > http://www.medicalpioneers.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?detail=1&id=1580 > > (they have a typo in the ship name) > > I'd noticed that they mentioned :: Index to unassisted passengers > 1826-1853 > :: but the only place I could find any mention of that was on > Ancestry. > > The DUCHESS OF NORTHUMBERLAND was ship-rigged, 541 tons, Captain > David > Roxburgh. Sailed from Cork on the 26th May 1836 with 319 emigrants > and > arrived on 3rd October 1836. > > Hi Deirdre , I was about to suggest you check early film of the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper when I noticed your email address . It is a really good move when posting on foreign list/s , although TheShipsList is more international , to give clue to your location As Sue says your Dr HUNTLEY comes up in Ancestrys passenger arrivals 1826 -1922 to NSW , but no film number for a passenger list . You could try an email to NSW State Records [email protected] and ask if a passenger list has survived Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

Sue, Deidre greetings this might be the data Base you are looking for, look for the FREE search on the left http://www.macbeth.com.au/indexes/aboutassimm.html Regards Robert, Adelaide --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TSL] Duchess of Northumberland - Cork to Port Jackson - 1836 To: "Magoris H.D." <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:17 AM Hi Deirdre, Did you find his partial bio on "Australian Medical Pioneers?" http://www.medicalpioneers.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?detail=1&id=1580 (they have a typo in the ship name) I'd noticed that they mentioned :: Index to unassisted passengers 1826-1853 :: but the only place I could find any mention of that was on Ancestry. I didn't find an actual regular passenger list but more like a Report for the Colonial Secretary of an arrived vessel, with cabin passengers named, but no ages or children names, just numbers then simply numbers of steerage passengers with no names. What might be rich for you though is that it includes Robert Huntley's report of the voyage in his hand, with signature. It includes a Q & A for the surgeon to complete which is similar to this one for the Taymouth Castle, to SA in 1855 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/taymouthcastle1855.htm The DUCHESS OF NORTHUMBERLAND was ship-rigged, 541 tons, Captain David Roxburgh. Sailed from Cork on the 26th May 1836 with 319 emigrants and arrived on 3rd October 1836. btw. I also found him mention here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp For the index for the 1841 census in "Farringdon, Parish Murray, District Braidwood" and another in the Insolvency Index . . . Surname FirstName Business StreetAddress Locality Occupation Sequestration File Number DateCertificateIssued Item NRSSeries Remarks HUNTLEY Robert - - Farringdon Surgeon 25/02/1842 105 10/07/1842 - 0 - . . . so it looks like medicine didn't pay too well at first. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 01:32 PM 2008-08-13 +0100, Magoris H.D. wrote: >Hi all > >I have recently discovered that my ggg grandfather and his family sailed >to Australia in 1836 aboard the Duchess of Northumberland. His name was >Robert Huntley, a doctor from Staines, Middlesex, who had been appointed >as the ship's surgeon and was therefore allowed to take his wife and >children to Australia on board as well. However, I have not been able >to unearth a passenger list. > >The ship arrived in Sydney in October 1836. One of Robert Huntley's >sons, Alfred Huntley, is the Huntley after whom Huntley's Point in >Sydney is named. > >Can anyone help? > >Many thanks > >Deirdre Magoris ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Deirdre, Did you find his partial bio on "Australian Medical Pioneers?" http://www.medicalpioneers.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?detail=1&id=1580 (they have a typo in the ship name) I'd noticed that they mentioned :: Index to unassisted passengers 1826-1853 :: but the only place I could find any mention of that was on Ancestry. I didn't find an actual regular passenger list but more like a Report for the Colonial Secretary of an arrived vessel, with cabin passengers named, but no ages or children names, just numbers then simply numbers of steerage passengers with no names. What might be rich for you though is that it includes Robert Huntley's report of the voyage in his hand, with signature. It includes a Q & A for the surgeon to complete which is similar to this one for the Taymouth Castle, to SA in 1855 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/taymouthcastle1855.htm The DUCHESS OF NORTHUMBERLAND was ship-rigged, 541 tons, Captain David Roxburgh. Sailed from Cork on the 26th May 1836 with 319 emigrants and arrived on 3rd October 1836. btw. I also found him mention here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp For the index for the 1841 census in "Farringdon, Parish Murray, District Braidwood" and another in the Insolvency Index . . . Surname FirstName Business StreetAddress Locality Occupation Sequestration File Number DateCertificateIssued Item NRSSeries Remarks HUNTLEY Robert - - Farringdon Surgeon 25/02/1842 105 10/07/1842 - 0 - . . . so it looks like medicine didn't pay too well at first. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 01:32 PM 2008-08-13 +0100, Magoris H.D. wrote: >Hi all > >I have recently discovered that my ggg grandfather and his family sailed >to Australia in 1836 aboard the Duchess of Northumberland. His name was >Robert Huntley, a doctor from Staines, Middlesex, who had been appointed >as the ship's surgeon and was therefore allowed to take his wife and >children to Australia on board as well. However, I have not been able >to unearth a passenger list. > >The ship arrived in Sydney in October 1836. One of Robert Huntley's >sons, Alfred Huntley, is the Huntley after whom Huntley's Point in >Sydney is named. > >Can anyone help? > >Many thanks > >Deirdre Magoris

Hi all I have recently discovered that my ggg grandfather and his family sailed to Australia in 1836 aboard the Duchess of Northumberland. His name was Robert Huntley, a doctor from Staines, Middlesex, who had been appointed as the ship's surgeon and was therefore allowed to take his wife and children to Australia on board as well. However, I have not been able to unearth a passenger list. The ship arrived in Sydney in October 1836. One of Robert Huntley's sons, Alfred Huntley, is the Huntley after whom Huntley's Point in Sydney is named. Can anyone help? Many thanks Deirdre Magoris

Deirdre I cannot help with a passenger list but there was a report filed with the British Government and printed in the British Parliamentary Paper "Correspondence between Secretary of State for Colonies and Governors of Australian Colonies respecting Emigration" in 1837 (358). The report deals mostly with the voyage of 1835 when the ship brought over females from Ireland but it gives a description of the vessel. "That ship was 550 tons register measurement, with a crew of 35 men, under the management of a captain and four officers." Then in the "Select Committee on Transportation, Report, Minutes of Evidence, Appendix, Index" from 1837-38 (669) is something on the 1836 voyage from Cork. Ship Duchess of Northumberland, of 540 tons register, from Ireland for Sydney. First Class......236 Second ditto.....21 Third ditto.........20 Fourth ditto.......17 Fifth ditto...........30 Total................324 Then this item: "The females sent out in that ship were selected in Ireland by persons appointed for that purpose by the Colonial-office; in one voyage they turned out well." These voyages with the female emigrants have been written up and you may find some other information on the voyage. Regards.. Marj At 08:32 AM 8/13/2008, Magoris H.D. wrote: >Hi all > > > >I have recently discovered that my ggg grandfather and his family sailed >to Australia in 1836 aboard the Duchess of Northumberland. His name was >Robert Huntley, a doctor from Staines, Middlesex, who had been appointed >as the ship's surgeon and was therefore allowed to take his wife and >children to Australia on board as well. However, I have not been able >to unearth a passenger list. > > > >The ship arrived in Sydney in October 1836. One of Robert Huntley's >sons, Alfred Huntley, is the Huntley after whom Huntley's Point in >Sydney is named. > > > >Can anyone help? > > > >Many thanks > > > >Deirdre Magoris > > > > > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robin Re your message Message: 1 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:34 +0100 From: "Robin's wool" <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Union Steam Ship Co of New Zealand and the response from Derek Hayward Message: 2 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:33:07 +0000 (GMT) From: derek hayward <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Union Steamship Co of New Zealand I can advise you that I live in Wellington, NZ, and could access all those institutions like National Library and Archives NZ that Derek refers to. The former holds those newspapers; the latter holds crew lists, or at least the captain in a card index system. Moreover, we have a Maritime Museum ["Museum of City and Sea"] in Wellington where I believe the original NZ records of the Union Steam Ship Co of New Zealand are held. All these institutions are of course accessible via internet, but whether you can thus find exactly what you want, I am not sure. I suggest that you try the internet approach first, and if you get stone- walled, then I may be able to find the time to visit the institutions for actual records. Some of the ships that Alexander Forbes HIRD sailed on have very NZ names: Kakapo [not Kakpo], Mokoia, Moana, Karitane, Wakatipu. The others sound more Aussie to me. Why do you want to know the routes? Regards Nick