On 8 Sep 2008 at 7:49, Gary & Barbara Hoffstetter wrote: > downtown Dallas. Several years before we moved, I found my > g-grandfather listed on a microfilm for 1868 which landed in > New Orleans. He then went on to Galveston where he > eventually landed. Since most of the manifests have been > lost for Galveston, I wanted to get a copy of the one for > New Orleans. The film wasn't very good and the copy machine > wasn't very good which means I couldn't get a copy that I > could read. > Louis main library in downtown St. Louis. I couldn't find > him on their microfilm set! I've also tried to locate him > on ancestry.com without any success. I even tried to go > through all the ship's manifests for 1867-69 for New Orleans > without any success. > > > > I seem to recall that there are possibly two different sets > of microfilms for ship's manifests or the same manifests > with differing numbers. > > Gary, I don't know if this will help but the WPA (Works Project Administration) indexed names for New Orleans passengers. Vols. 1, 2 and 3 of the 6 volumes they prepared are found on microfilm M2009 from NARA. It covers the years 1813-1849. Vol. 5 is missing; Vol. 4 & 6 have not been filmed. See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_la.shtml for information on these resources. For a complete list of NARA and FHC microfilm numbers for LA, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_louisiana.shtml To find a ship to LA after 1820 you can search ONline transcriptions or OFFline microfilm records. Ships to Louisiana after 1820 can be found at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_la1820.shtml To use custom search engines to search multiple websites at once, see the page "Search FREE Ships Passenger Lists to Louisiana" (528 ships ) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchlaships.shtml Good luck! -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

I am very new to this list and it is likely that my question is quite basic. But, I don't know how to find out this information any other way. My LANG/ LONG relatives arrived in the Colonial US aboard the Charming Betsy, John Bull, Master, from London. Qualified Oct. 12, 1733. Can anyone tell me about this ship; the name of the port of departure and the name of the port of entry; how long the voyage took and what the conditions might have been. Thank you Denise

[email protected] wrote: > I found my g-grandfather listed on a microfilm for 1868 > which landed in New Orleans. > I seem to recall that there are possibly two different sets of > microfilms for ship's manifests or the same manifests with differing > numbers. Gary, There is a set of films that index the passenger lists and a set of films for the passenger lists themselves. Is that what you were thinking about with respect to the "two different sets of microfilms"? Does the St. Louis library have both sets of films? You might want to check the index to see if he was found by the set of eyes who did that work. Good luck! Kathy

Until 5 years ago I lived in the Dallas, TX area where I used the microfilms at the Dallas Main Library location in downtown Dallas. Several years before we moved, I found my g-grandfather listed on a microfilm for 1868 which landed in New Orleans. He then went on to Galveston where he eventually landed. Since most of the manifests have been lost for Galveston, I wanted to get a copy of the one for New Orleans. The film wasn't very good and the copy machine wasn't very good which means I couldn't get a copy that I could read. Since that time, we moved to the St. Louis and I've tried to again locate what I found on the microfilms in TX at the St. Louis main library in downtown St. Louis. I couldn't find him on their microfilm set! I've also tried to locate him on ancestry.com without any success. I even tried to go through all the ship's manifests for 1867-69 for New Orleans without any success. I seem to recall that there are possibly two different sets of microfilms for ship's manifests or the same manifests with differing numbers. My g-grandfather's name was Jacob Kaspar (listed on the manifest as Casper), a clergyman that was listed in the Cabin section with possibly 4 other clergymen of about the same age, on the ship Saxonia and all from Switzerland. They were all accepting calls to the Texas German speaking Protestant communities North and West of Houston. Was what I saw in Dallas a figment of my imagination or was it real? Gary Hoffstetter

Good Morning Listers; I am searching for a Wilke family (my cousin's ancestors) arriving before 1870 from Mecklenburg, Prussia. Your help is needed. Christoph Wilke appears as a Baptismal Sponsor in Port Huron, MI, September 20, 1868. The complete Wilke family first appears in the US 1870 Census living in Macomb Twp. Macomb Co., MI. Fred C. Wilke made statements in 1920 US census that he arrived in US in 1860; in 1930 US Census he said he arrived in US in 1861. I have scoured Germans To America Volume 13 (1859) to Volume 24 (1870) and these specific family members - in various surname spellings - do not appear. The family does not appear in an 1860 US Census. Your collective help or guidance would be sincerely appreciated. Wilke Family names are Christopher b. 1822 Maria b. 1822 Christoph born about 1848 Fred C. b. 1851 Maria b. 1853 Carl (Charles) b. 1856 Wilhelm b. 1858 Berta b. 1860 Otto b. 1862 Luise b. 1864 Emma b. 1865 Anna b. 1867 The 1870 Census of Macomb Twp. info that the children were all born in US has been proven to be in error. An associated family - Louis Kreutzmann (Krutzmann) arrived Baltimore, MD September 16, 1858 (Louis, Augusta, Lewis) on board ship Luna. This family (various spellings checked) does not appear in Germans To America. An associated family - Heinrich Hesse arrived New York June 4, 1866 (Heinrich, Rosina, Karl, Caroline) on board ship Senator Iken. [An associated family - Friederick Kreutzmann (various spellings checked) also can not be found in Germans To America (Friederick b. 1801, Dorothea b. 1800) from Egeln, Sachsen-anhalt. They appear in 1870 Census in Port Huron] [An associated family - Friederich Schmidt also can not be found in Germans To America (Friederich b. 1833, Louisa b. 1836, Frederick b. 1858, Louisa b. 1860, Dorothea "Dora born on the ocean" March 22, 1863. This family does not appear in Germans to America. They appear in 1870 Census Port Huron.] Because members of these four associated families do not appear in Germans To America, I am of the thought they (in general) traveled and arrived in Canada and crossed the border, perhaps at Port Huron. [After our extensive searching, I can't imagine a different scenario that so many associated families do not appear in the G To A Volumes.] Any and all help will be very much appreciated. How can I solve this? Thanks, in advance... Ernie Misch in Royal Oak, MI ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

I am interested in the Japan-Australia Line and the Austral-China Navigation Co, both trading out of Sydney Australia in the 1920's. Do you have any information about them? Or can you direct me to any sources. Many thanks, Mark Richmond

Joyce, it would be helpful if you were able to provide the names of your ancestors, and approximately when they came to Canada. The port nearest to Dundas, would be Hamilton, Ontario, just down the lake (Lake Ontario) from Toronto, Ontario. You might also try www.collectionscanada.gc.ca Best of luck with your search, Marina Ontario, Canada

I have the family in Ireland and in the US. We know they came through Canada and one family has them landing at Dundas. Does anyone know about any emigation there - records or anything else? Thank fou for any information you may have. Joyce

Joyce, Full family names and information of births and deaths along with locations would help people research your family. > [Original Message] > From: Joyce &/or Tom Urban <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/5/2008 7:40:03 PM > Subject: [TSL] Dundas, Ontario emigration port > > Family knowledge says some of our Irish ancestors entered through > Dundas before leaving to enter the US. This occurred around 1850-52. > Does anyone have information or know how to get information on > emigration through Dundas? > Joyce > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Family knowledge says some of our Irish ancestors entered through Dundas before leaving to enter the US. This occurred around 1850-52. Does anyone have information or know how to get information on emigration through Dundas? Joyce

Hi all I am wondering if anyone can help find information concerning the above Shipping line. My 3 x great Grandfather was Samuel Shaw and he was a Ship's Master in the early 1800s sailing out of Belfast. He also sailed to Canada and Russia but his obit mentions his career with Langtry. I cannot get anything up on Google except Lillie Langtry and various people of that name. Does anyone know anything about them or where I could find the information please? regards Lyn in Oz.

Vicki He is listed as PIPER, THOMAS WILLIAM DAVID on the Commonwealth Graves Commission Site http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2973455 and is Commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial in London where the Bayreaulx was registered. http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=765114 The Bayreaulx sailed from Cardiff on 20 October in Ballast bound for Montreal with 23 souls on board and either hit a mine or was torpedoed by U-63 on October 23rd, there were no Survivors. I presume John was a nickname? Good Hunting Pete Message: 1 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:51:25 -0300 From: vickipiperwall <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] The Bay Steamship Company, 21 Old Broad Street, London EC 1916/17 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I wonder if you could possibly help me Amongst the family papers that I have is the notification of my Uncle?s death sent to my Grandmother on the 17th January 1917. My uncle - John Piper was on a merchant ship , the name was something like SS Bayreauly, or Bayreanly, or Bayreaux (the writing on the document is very difficult to decipher), the lifeboat of which was washed up off the coast of Aberystwith on December 9th 1916, and there was no other trace. I have been trying to find records/details of the Bay Steamship COmpany, of 21 Old Broad Street, London EC (the piece of paper I have is headed up from them) and I can find no trace of a)the company, b) any ship with any similar name that was lost around this time. I suppose the ship was torpedoed or attacked by enemy fire etc. I wonder if you have come across any of these names, or could indeed point me in the right direction - I seem to have hit a blank and would really like to find out the details of what happened to my uncle etc. best regards Vicki Piper-Wall

Hello Vicki, The Bay Steamship Co was owned by Sale & Co, London. The company lost several ships during the Great War - BAYHALL 17.12.1916, BAYCRAIG 1.1.1917, BAYNESK 9.1.1917, BAYNAEN 25.3.1917, BAYSOTO 6.8.1917, BAYCHATTAN 11.10.1917, BAYVOE 9.1.1918, BAYGITANO 18.3.1918. >From the dates you give, this would seem to be the BAYHALL. This was a 3,898 gross ton steamer, built 1906 by R. Stephenson & Co, Newcastle for Guthe Bros & Co, West Hartlepool as the DINSDALEHALL. 1915 sold to Belgium renamed BRABANDIER. 1916 sold to Bay SS Co, London renamed BAYHALL. 17th Dec.1916 captured by German submarine U46 while 90 miles N x E from Cape Ortegal in position 45.16N 08.00W and sunk with explosives on voyage Port Louis, Mauritius to Bordeaux with a cargo of sugar. The Master was taken prisoner. The rest of the crew would have been set adrift in lifeboats. See http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?14961 Photo of similar ship BAYNAEN at http://www.wreck.fr/baynaen.htm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "vickipiperwall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [TSL] The Bay Steamship Company, 21 Old Broad Street,London EC 1916/17 I wonder if you could possibly help me Amongst the family papers that I have is the notification of my Uncle´s death sent to my Grandmother on the 17th January 1917. My uncle - John Piper was on a merchant ship , the name was something like SS Bayreauly, or Bayreanly, or Bayreaux (the writing on the document is very difficult to decipher), the lifeboat of which was washed up off the coast of Aberystwith on December 9th 1916, and there was no other trace. I have been trying to find records/details of the Bay Steamship COmpany, of 21 Old Broad Street, London EC (the piece of paper I have is headed up from them) and I can find no trace of a)the company, b) any ship with any similar name that was lost around this time. I suppose the ship was torpedoed or attacked by enemy fire etc. I wonder if you have come across any of these names, or could indeed point me in the right direction - I seem to have hit a blank and would really like to find out the details of what happened to my uncle etc. best regards Vicki Piper-Wall ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 02/09/2008 06:02

I wonder if you could possibly help me Amongst the family papers that I have is the notification of my Uncle´s death sent to my Grandmother on the 17th January 1917. My uncle - John Piper was on a merchant ship , the name was something like SS Bayreauly, or Bayreanly, or Bayreaux (the writing on the document is very difficult to decipher), the lifeboat of which was washed up off the coast of Aberystwith on December 9th 1916, and there was no other trace. I have been trying to find records/details of the Bay Steamship COmpany, of 21 Old Broad Street, London EC (the piece of paper I have is headed up from them) and I can find no trace of a)the company, b) any ship with any similar name that was lost around this time. I suppose the ship was torpedoed or attacked by enemy fire etc. I wonder if you have come across any of these names, or could indeed point me in the right direction - I seem to have hit a blank and would really like to find out the details of what happened to my uncle etc. best regards Vicki Piper-Wall

Can anyone tell me where to find records of sinking in Nova Scotia of the Brig Hardy in October 1818? Lindsay Fraser

Fran Weeks wrote: > It's possible that my gr-grandfather, Edward Tague, sailed aboard the > ship Greece and landed in New York on 4/29/1873, from either > Queenstown or Liverpool. I don't know if he would have come alone or > with siblings. Would someone kindly suggest how to go about finding > the truth of this information? He definitely came with other family members. Find out which ones here: http://www.castlegarden.org/about.html Search for just the surname Tague in 1873, and you'll get all those with that surname. Good luck! Kathy

It's possible that my gr-grandfather, Edward Tague, sailed aboard the ship Greece and landed in New York on 4/29/1873, from either Queenstown or Liverpool. I don't know if he would have come alone or with siblings. Would someone kindly suggest how to go about finding the truth of this information? Many thanks. Fran Weeks

HI: i am looking for a ship that came into Philadelphia during 1840 called the "old Galley" or "old Salley". Thanks for any info. Cynthia O'Connor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 238 Today's Topics: 1. New York to Havre 1858 (Christiane Hongler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:45:56 +0200 From: "Christiane Hongler" <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] New York to Havre 1858 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello List I should be grateful if someone could answer the following questions please: Which ships did arrive at the port of Havre coming from New York between 20 and 27 April 1858? If not possible, which ships sailed from New York which were likely to arrive at Havre within these dates? I checked the online NY Times archives and found only steamship Fulton (sailed 2 April 1858 from NY) and the Vanderbilt (sailed 9 April 1858 from NY). Are passengers lists available? Thank you so much for your answer. Chris ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 238 ********************************************

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for August 2008 is . . . o Fleets: o Union Line, Hamburg One Fleet this month. A website visitor asked about this one, and Ted delivered ! o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1830 (in progress) A stormy start to the Quebec navigation season for 1830. I didn't include ALL the reports of dismasted and abandoned &c. vessels, because there were too many. I have included most of those which pertain to passengers. In April, Europe to New York passages were really short, so I included a table showing some of the passage times, some as short as THIRTEEN days ! 1830 looks like it was a huge emigration year. For example, the New York item mentioned above states "From the 14th to 17th April, there have arrived in New York from Europe, two thousand one hundred and seventeen passengers. " This table (link below) shows the increase in emigration for 1830. Total Emigration from UK 1815 to 1870 http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/EmigFromUK1815_1870.htm Even if you don't have 1830 emigrants, there are some other general newspaper items. eg. If you like politics, there is an article on whether to grant free navigation on the St. Lawrence and whether to allow American trade to the West Indies ! If you like humour, there is an article about the emigration of one family to Squampash Flatts ... :-} o Passengers: o ship Glentanner, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 26th November 1855 o barque Royal Albert, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 1st December 1855 o barque Agincourt, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 4th December 1855 o ..... o Crocodile 1869 Portsmouth to Quebec (unemployed Admiralty Dockyard Workers) These three SA lists complete the year 1855 for assisted passengers. It was a really big year, with 37 ships with 300-400 +/- passengers on board each ship. GLENTANNER includes mostly Welsh and Irish families, however the young singles are predominantly Irish. The ROYAL ALBERT has a few English and Irish and a larger group of Scottish families and singles, many who were part of the Charter for the Highland and Island Emigration Society emigrants. (they are on separate lists(s)) The AGINCOURT has a mix of English, Welsh and Irish, with the single women almost exclusively Irish. The 1869 CROCODILE list was a terrific coup. The original manifest is online at the Library & Archives of Canada website, however, a few pages of the manifest are missing, namely all the single men and families A-D of the group from the Portsmouth Dockyard. A website visitor, Patricia Lovell, is writing a Paper about the emigration to Canada of the unemployed Admiralty Dockyard Workers, 1869-1870, and found the names of all the Portsmouth passengers included in a newspaper item, so kindly sent them to me, to reconstruct the list. If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hello List I should be grateful if someone could answer the following questions please: Which ships did arrive at the port of Havre coming from New York between 20 and 27 April 1858? If not possible, which ships sailed from New York which were likely to arrive at Havre within these dates? I checked the online NY Times archives and found only steamship Fulton (sailed 2 April 1858 from NY) and the Vanderbilt (sailed 9 April 1858 from NY). Are passengers lists available? Thank you so much for your answer. Chris