Hello Debbie, This was the NICOLAOS ZAFIRAKIS 3,691 gross ton cargo steamer with limited passenger accommodation, built 1898 by W. Pickersgill & Sons, Sunderland as the ULLAPOOL for Japp & Kirby, Liverpool. 1899 sold to T. Ronaldson & Co (Puritan Line), Liverpool, renamed CAMBRIAN KING. After being owned by severall Liverpool and Glasgow companies, she was sold in 1920 to C. Zafirakis, Chios, Greece and renamed NICOLAOS ZAFIRAKIS. 1930 sold to G. Grohmann, Piraeus renamed AIMILIOS, 1936 scrapped Holland. Sorry but I have no info on passengers. Regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Petrides" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [TSL] Marseille to Norfolk, VA in 1920 > > > If I am reading the certificate of arrival correctly, the ship name was > the SS Nicolaos Zafarikas. It arrived in Norfolk on Sept 1, 1920 from > Marseille. > After searching on ancestry.com and other online resources, nothing even > close to this showed up. It was a Greek ship, for what thats worth. > Would the passenger manifest for this be available anywhere? Any tips in > the right direction would be greatly appreciated. > thank you, > Debbie > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1674 - Release Date: 16/09/2008 08:15

Dear All I'd be very grateful of your help in solving a family mystery. We have a diary of the above voyage but would like to find out who wrote it. Our mystery author seems to have been a painter on the above voyage which left Liverpool on Dec 17th 1884 - he lists the names of the Captain and crew but there didn't seem to be many passengers as it seemed to be carrying cargo, but did pick up 2 or 3 consul passengers en route back to Liverpool. The Crew are listed in the diary as being: Captain: Capt. Hamblin of Wavertree 1st Officer: Mr S V Richardson of Walton 2nd Officer: Mr Sullivan 3rd Officer: Mr Holtum Steward: Mr G F Kent Chief Eng: Mr Keir 2nd Eng: Mr Stewart 3rd Eng: Mr Boyd He must have been employed as a Painter as he mentions painting inside cabins, or skylights or wires several times. Can anyone shed light on where I could possibly find his name, please? Looking forward to replies in grateful anticipation! With many thanks, Sharon Sharon Laban Wales http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.

Hi Ted and John Many thanks that just about fills in my list of ship's photos for our seaman during his years with Union SS of NZ (1901 to 1907) This last ship looks a bit of a comedown after the Karitane and Moana which he was on a month or so earlier... Maybe because he grounded the Karitane.... Can anyone help find ships crew lists for the Union SS Co of NZ? We see Alexander Forbes HIRD in the NSW index of unassisted passengers and once or twice as "Capt" but this is via a colleague from the Ancestry Au site ... Are there images of those crew lists available? I have ON's for most his ships but no crew lists for the relevant dates are on http://www.mun.ca/mha/. Any suggestions welcome Regards Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Hello All Please could someone help me on this one; Gloucestor Castle - Union Castle Line London to Lourenco Marques Date of Departure 7th June 1934 There is a passenger E Whiting (I am looking for an Edgar Whiting born 15 January 1916 in Upton, Worcestorshire) Last address 55 Seven Sisters Rd - looks like M7 Occupation Clerk Aged 18 Years - (age fits with my Edgar) If he was going to Capricorn which in my reckoning is inland which port which he actually disembark at and would there be any records of his leaving the ship and entering South Africa. I have searched for this man high and low, can't even find a death in SA. I do have the image if anyone would like to see it. Many thanks Shani

Hi Mary, >From memory (not always reliable, in my case !), a death could not be registered if there was no body. So a mariner lost at sea would not appear on the death registers. The "widow" was entitled to re-marry if there was no sign of her spouse after a period of 7 years. At least, I believe that was the position in English law. Hope this helps, Mike Gould Leicestershire England -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Newbery Sent: 15 September 2008 19:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [TSL] missing presumed dead Dear Listers, Can anyone help me with a query regarding a missing mariner. A great uncle James Percival Henderson a 1st engineer, seems to have disappeared between 1873 and 1878, when his "widow" remarried. All searches as to what became of him have drawn a complete blank. How was the widow able to remarry? Would she have needed proof of his demise? As missing seamen, assets of seamen etc. have produced no results is there anywhere where there may be a record of a dispensation to allow the widow to assume death and remarry? Any suggestions gratefully received! Mary ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Can anyone help me with a query regarding a missing mariner. A great uncle James Percival Henderson a 1st engineer, seems to have disappeared between 1873 and 1878, when his "widow" remarried. All searches as to what became of him have drawn a complete blank. How was the widow able to remarry? Would she have needed proof of his demise? As missing seamen, assets of seamen etc. have produced no results is there anywhere where there may be a record of a dispensation to allow the widow to assume death and remarry? Any suggestions gratefully received! Mary

Ancestry now has Canadian Passenger list 1865-1935 online! Annette Fulford

Hello Robin, There is a photo of the ship in "Union Fleet" by Ian Farquhar ISBN 0-95978-34-74 which should be available on inter library loan. KARORI 1,863 gross tons, length 269.4ft x beam 40.8ft, single screw, speed 10 knots, cargo steamer. Built 1902 by Craig, Taylor & Co, Stockton as the MINAS for Soc. Espanola de Minas, Bilbao, Spain. 1903 KARORI Union SS Co of New Zealand. Used on the Tasmanian trade and later as a collier on the NZ coast until Aug.1927 when laid up at Wellington until sold... 1928 SHANGHAI Chun Yung Zan, Shanghai. 1930 KATIE MOLLER N. E. A. Moller, Shanghai. 1932 TUNG CHENG Tientsin Navigation Co Shanghai. Aug.1937 sunk by Japanese air attack at Shanghai. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin's wool" <[email protected]> To: "ShipsList" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [TSL] SS Karori 1907 New Zealand > > > Does anyone have a picture of the "Karori" of the Union SS Co of New > Zealand? > Official Number 118306 > > > We have Alexander Forbes HIRD on her as Captain? In 1907. > > > Robin > > > -- > Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Scotland > Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at > http://www.scottishwool.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16

Does anyone have a picture of the "Karori" of the Union SS Co of New Zealand? Official Number 118306 We have Alexander Forbes HIRD on her as Captain? In 1907. Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Scotland Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at http://www.scottishwool.com/

I cannot find any ship lists from northern Ireland to Philadelphia or Maryland years 1728 to 1730? Anyone know of any? thanks In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:25:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. SS LEURA (Peter Euston) 2. *new* for TheShipsList website (Sue Swiggum) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:01:36 +1000 From: "Peter Euston" <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] SS LEURA To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone. On Ancestry if I do a search for EUSTON in 1902 I come up with the SS Leura arriving from Brisbane to Sydney on the 24th October 1902 but when I browse the passenger lists on Ancestry by Ship & Month/Year I can only find a berthing on the 10th October 1902 without Mr & Master EUSTON. I was wondering if any kind person may know if and how to access the passenger list for the 24th October 1902. I am trying to find any movement of Wiliam, Mary, or Walton Harry EUSTON. With kindest Regards Peter EUSTON ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:06:50 -0300 From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] *new* for TheShipsList website To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for September 2008 is . . . o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1830 (in progress) One more page added for the 1830 newspapers . . a huge number of emigrants had already arrived, but they still kept coming. Even the British papers were commenting ! o Passengers: o ship Princess Louise, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 7th August 1849 o barque Wilhelmina Maria, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 30th August 1849 o ship Australia, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 10th September 1849 o ship Ocean (aka Wolga), from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 14th September 1849 o barque Pauline, from Bremen, Germany to Port Adelaide 9th December 1849 The last five shiploads of Germans to South Australia, for 1849. The original lists were very sparse in their content, so Robert consulted multiple sources to compile these lists. If any of these Germans are ancestors of yours and you can furnish information or corrections regarding names, ages &c. we would appreciate hearing from you. If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------ To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 249 ******************************************** **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Will there be files and databases for 1949? On Sep 14, 2008, at 12:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SS LEURA (Peter Euston) > 2. *new* for TheShipsList website (Sue Swiggum) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:01:36 +1000 > From: "Peter Euston" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] SS LEURA > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello everyone. On Ancestry if I do a search for EUSTON in 1902 I > come up with the SS Leura arriving from Brisbane to Sydney on the > 24th October 1902 but when I browse the passenger lists on Ancestry > by Ship & Month/Year I can only find a berthing on the 10th October > 1902 without Mr & Master EUSTON. I was wondering if any kind person > may know if and how to access the passenger list for the 24th > October 1902. I am trying to find any movement of Wiliam, Mary, or > Walton Harry EUSTON. > > With kindest Regards > Peter EUSTON > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:06:50 -0300 > From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] *new* for TheShipsList website > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on > their own > page(s) > Find them on the front page in between the big arrows > --------------> > <--------------- > > At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " > previous > month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth > between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three > months of > *new* page links on the Home page. New for September 2008 is . . . > > o Arrivals: > o Ships to Quebec 1830 (in progress) > > One more page added for the 1830 newspapers . . a huge number of > emigrants > had already arrived, but they still kept coming. Even the British > papers > were commenting ! > > o Passengers: > o ship Princess Louise, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 7th > August 1849 > o barque Wilhelmina Maria, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide > 30th > August 1849 > o ship Australia, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 10th > September > 1849 > o ship Ocean (aka Wolga), from Hamburg to Port Adelaide > 14th > September 1849 > o barque Pauline, from Bremen, Germany to Port Adelaide > 9th > December 1849 > > The last five shiploads of Germans to South Australia, for 1849. The > original lists were very sparse in their content, so Robert consulted > multiple sources to compile these lists. If any of these Germans are > ancestors of yours and you can furnish information or corrections > regarding > names, ages &c. we would appreciate hearing from you. > > If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden > names) > to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. > > Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any > other list > to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to > those > list members (in other words, on-topic). > > Enjoy ! > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 249 > ********************************************

I'm looking for - and not finding - information on several early sailing ships that brought English immigrants to New York and Philadelphia from Liverpool. The Manhattan arrived on one voyage in New York on 21 May 1821 with my 3rd great-grandparents Benjamin and Dorothy Ripton/Repton from Derbyshire on board. Dorothy's sister and her husband, Elizabeth and William Burton arrived from Derbyshire in Philadelphia on 3 Jun 1823. In looking through the ships listed on the ShipsList website, I can't find any of this early vintage - there's a Manhattan, for example, but it was built about 1866. Does anyone know of any online source for these early sailing ships? Thanks. Joanne Gaudio

Hello everyone. On Ancestry if I do a search for EUSTON in 1902 I come up with the SS Leura arriving from Brisbane to Sydney on the 24th October 1902 but when I browse the passenger lists on Ancestry by Ship & Month/Year I can only find a berthing on the 10th October 1902 without Mr & Master EUSTON. I was wondering if any kind person may know if and how to access the passenger list for the 24th October 1902. I am trying to find any movement of Wiliam, Mary, or Walton Harry EUSTON. With kindest Regards Peter EUSTON

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for September 2008 is . . . o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1830 (in progress) One more page added for the 1830 newspapers . . a huge number of emigrants had already arrived, but they still kept coming. Even the British papers were commenting ! o Passengers: o ship Princess Louise, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 7th August 1849 o barque Wilhelmina Maria, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 30th August 1849 o ship Australia, from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 10th September 1849 o ship Ocean (aka Wolga), from Hamburg to Port Adelaide 14th September 1849 o barque Pauline, from Bremen, Germany to Port Adelaide 9th December 1849 The last five shiploads of Germans to South Australia, for 1849. The original lists were very sparse in their content, so Robert consulted multiple sources to compile these lists. If any of these Germans are ancestors of yours and you can furnish information or corrections regarding names, ages &c. we would appreciate hearing from you. If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Google just announced an initiative to make more old newspapers accessible and searchable online by partnering with newspaper publishers to digitize millions of pages of news archives. One of the papers they have partnered with is the Quebec Chronicle-Telegraph, oldest newspaper in North America — publishing for more than 244 years. ProQuest & Heritage are also named as partners. Imagine what this will mean for historians and genealogists! Read more about this project, and how to start searching at http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Hello all! I am trying to find out where the SS Europa sailed to after it left New York on May 13, 1933. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find out this information? Thank you! Debbie

My Purple Rainbow wrote: > My family immigrated 19 May 1845, > ship "Iowa", and 20 May 1847, ship "Francis Depau". Both were said to > have come from Switzerland, via Havre, France, to port of New York. > Various records indicate/alternate between Switzerland and Germany as > location of births...Is > there any way of determining where they were born, what village, town > or area? How can I learn of the family left behind to gain family > connection?The family surnames were: ZIMMERMAN(n) and VOGT (Foght, > Fought, Vaught, Voght, Voight, Volk, Vought). In the time period in question, ships' lists contain only crude information on the origins of the passengers. You'll have to rely on other (American) sources for that information-- family legend, obituaries, church records, vital records, naturalization records, newspaper articles, local history, etc. Although none of those records are guaranteed to contain the information you seek, the possibility is there for each of them. If a thorough search of the records doesn't pan out, it's important to expand your efforts to your ancestors' social group. Many immigrants joined other family members or neighbors from their hometowns in this country. Find out where others in their neighborhood came from. Examine records for siblings of your ancestors. Leave no stone unturned. Good luck! Kathy

Hello, Can anyone help me or offer suggestions as to where I might locate information, any information? My family immigrated 19 May 1845, ship "Iowa", and 20 May 1847, ship "Francis Depau". Both were said to have come from Switzerland, via Havre, France, to port of New York. Various records indicate/alternate between Switzerland and Germany as location of births. I have found very little regarding either ship. Is there any way of determining where they were born, what village, town or area? How can I learn of the family left behind to gain family connection? The family surnames were: ZIMMERMAN(n) and VOGT (Foght, Fought, Vaught, Voght, Voight, Volk, Vought). Thank you. Fran _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hello,Can anyone help me or offer suggestions as to where I might locate information, any information?My family immigrated 19 May 1845, ship "Iowa", and 20 May 1847, ship "Francis Depau". Both were said to have come from Switzerland, via Havre, France, to port of New York. Various records indicate/alternate between Switzerland and Germany as location of births. I have found very little regarding either ship.Is there any way of determining where they were born, what village, town or area? How can I learn of the family left behind to gain family connection?The family surnames were: ZIMMERMAN(n) and VOGT (Foght, Fought, Vaught, Voght, Voight, Volk, Vought).Thank you.Fran _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hi Denise, You don't mention whether you have already done a "Google" search for that ship. A quick look and I find this page: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~GENHOME/imm10b.htm And several web sites mention a ship, "Charming Betsy," which took on that name around 1800. (Notice that it is also called Charming Betsey.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: [TSL] 'Charming Betsy' >I am very new to this list and it is likely that my question is quite >basic. > But, I don't know how to find out this information any other way. > > > > My LANG/ LONG relatives arrived in the Colonial US aboard the Charming > Betsy, John Bull, Master, from London. Qualified Oct. 12, 1733. > > > > Can anyone tell me about this ship; the name of the port of departure and > the name of the port of entry; how long the voyage took and what the > conditions might have been. > > > > Thank you > > Denise > > >