Hello List I am hoping that someone can direct me to where I can find the arrival of the steamship The Suevic, White Star Line in Sydney Australia 1913. The voyage that I am interested in is the one that left Liverpool England 25 Oct 1913. I have the Embarkation List and I can see that my grandmother Edith WATERWORTH and her sister Lily WATERWORTH are listed as 3rd class passengers. Having found them leaving from Liverpool I would love to find them arriving in Sydney Australia. Many thanks Jenny

Can someone please verify the information on Unassisted Passenger Lists in to Sydney in 1906 and 1907. Thanks to the help from several on this list with our research in to with Alexander Forbes Hird we have now built up a picture of his service with the Union SS Co of Nz. He became a Captain soemtime in1906 but after grounding the Karitane in January 1907 he 'resigned' or 'retired ' at age 43. It appears he was promoted to Captain in October 1906. His first command appears to be the Karitane. Can someone check if he is listed as Captain on the Karitane voyages in October 1906? He again Captains the Karitane about in January 1907 but grounds he at Strahan Tasmania on about 25th January 1907. The West Coast Times of 29th Jan 1907 reports says 'she struck a rock and leaked slightly but the captain brought her on to Sydney'. BUT the arrivals we have show him on the Karori for the two voyages 19 Jan and 4 Feb 1907. So is he recorded as arriving Sydney on the Karitane .. And what was his position on the Karori ? Unfortunately they found 26 plates needed replacing on the Karitane and by March he had left the company. Robin

Hi List I am trying to confirm how one branch of my family came to be in Geelong Victoria. Can anyone advise me if Geelong has any records of ships arrivals in their area in the 1850's, and any related passenger lists. Any websites or advice would be very appreciated. The names of interest are Hogan, Vienna, Byars. Regards Lynne Melbourne

Dear Listers, I am seeking information about a shipwreck that occurred between September and November 1808 in the Atlantic Ocean off No Man's Island, near Nova Scotia, Canada, where it is reported that my ancestor, Joshuah Randall, Sr., perished from cold and exposure after the shipwreck. I am looking for details of the ship (name, type, size, etc.), cause and general detail of the shipwreck, the nature of the ship's trip; plus, detail about my ancestor and his duty aboard the ship, if possible. Joshua Randall was born March 3, 1742/43 in Westerly, RI, and moved to Stonington, CT. Is this No Man's Island near NS, Canada, the same one near Massachusetts, USA? Anxiously waiting, Valerie

After I posted the "Emigrants waiting to sail 1851" yesterday, I was reminded about some other Emigrants I had found in the 1851 England census a couple of years ago, but had totally forgotten ! These 103 persons were Army Pensioners and their families living at the Tilbury Fort in Essex on census night (March 30th) and the notation for them was :: Emigrants waiting for embarkation for Canada :: so at least we know where they were going. What makes this find particularly special is because it helps fill another gap in the pre-archiving of passenger lists to Canada (1865). Because they were living at Tilbury Fort, they most likely embarked at London, but I haven't been able to learn which vessel .. yet .. it might have even been a Navy Transport ship. When Marj returns from holiday, she may hopefully be able to find mention of their sailing in the London Times. I included an example of one of the children who I found as a 60 yr old living at Barrie, Simcoe North, Ontario. They look like a veritable United Nations, even within some of the families, with children born all over UK and Ireland as well as other parts of the world. I will include the link in the *new* for October page when I upload it, but thought you might like to have a look now :-} Emigrants for Canada 1851 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/tilbury1851.htm Please share this email with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Further to Sue's comments, for those of us researching assisted immigrants to Australia, the following publication takes a detailed look at the emigration depots where the government emigrants stayed prior to departure: Pescod, K, 2001, Good food, bright fires and civility - British emigrant depots of the nineteenth century, Australian Scholarly Press, Victoria. And for those who ended up in Victoria, he has also written a book which looks at the immigrant depots in that state. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: [TSL] Emigrants waiting to sail 1851 >I was researching the 1851 England census and came across a Boarding House > on Union Street in Liverpool with interesting notations. > > Many emigrants would arrive at an emigration port, like Liverpool, and > have > to spend a few days waiting to embark on a ship. They would usually stay > at a Boarding House ... often one which usually catered to emigrants from > a > certain country, or region.

I received a LOT of interest in the email I just posted on this Subject, so I hope I find some more !! I was also asked if it could be reposted on another pertinent list . . . of course I agreed. I should have mentioned in my posting that you may share that message with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Re: my recent multiple postings about the 1910 landing of the Brandenburg in Baltimore. It seems that for some reason, I'm not seeing my own postings come through in my TSL subscription. In the event, Sue has helped me get a line on the info needed. Again, my apologies. Shel Bercovich, Calgary AB.

I was researching the 1851 England census and came across a Boarding House on Union Street in Liverpool with interesting notations. Many emigrants would arrive at an emigration port, like Liverpool, and have to spend a few days waiting to embark on a ship. They would usually stay at a Boarding House ... often one which usually catered to emigrants from a certain country, or region. I found a group of Welsh with the notation " Emigrants waiting to sail from the port. " Unfortunately it did not indicate TO which country, but I thought I would include them here. The 1851 Census for England was taken on the night of 30th March 1851, so they likely sailed early April. Where born :: Aberdare, Glamorganshire (no marital status) Thomas Davies 16 Agricultural Labourer Elizabeth Davies 19 James Shaw 19 Joiner William Jenkins 26 Collier Edward Williams 33 Sawyer Where born :: Denbigh, Denbighshire (no marital status) John Vaughan 25 Sawyer William Vaughan 26 Sawyer Thomas Vaughan 24 Sawyer Where born :: Aberdare, Glamorganshire (no marital status) Edward Davies 51 Agricultural Labourer Where born :: Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire Humphrey Jones 36 Agricultural Labourer Mar. Eleanor Jones 34 Mar. Sarah Jones 7 Humphrey Jones 4 Evan Hughes 32 Collier Mar. Jane Hughes 29 Mar. Robert Hughes 8 John Davies 47 Collier Mar. Mary Davies 45 Mar. William Davies 18 Collier Unmarried Edward Jones 28 Collier " David Lewis 27 Collier " Sue --

Hi all, The Brandenburg apparently arrived Baltimore 1910 11 19, having left Bremerhaven 1910 11 02. My uncle, Abram BERCOVICH (aka Abraham; aka BERCOVITCH, BERKOVITCH; BERKOVICZ, etc.) apparently arrived on that ship -- so says a 1917 Canada->U.S. Border Crossing manifest. I am trying to find the detail on his manifest entry. He was, I believe, just passing through on his way back to Canada, so likely would be classed as a "Non-immigrant alien". Unfortunately, it appears that the "Big 'A'" only shows one page (p. 159) of the manifest. Neither Ancestry's own nor Steve Morse's search pages turn him up, suggesting that the first 158 pages of the manifest are "missing". I believe Morse's "Missing Manifests" utility only works with Ellis Island arrivals. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find my uncle's listing on the manifest? :-) Many thanks in advance for any help! Searchingly, Shel Bercovich, Calgary, AB, Canada

Hello, I wonder if anyone has any information as to where I might find out about the history of the above company which I believe operated out of Liverpool. I believe that they might still have been Ship Managers into the 1930's. There may be a connection with H W Glyn Lewis and possibly a William Lewis who lived in Liverpool and may well have worked for the Company. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Keith

Hi Listers Could anyone tell me please if there is an on-line passenger list for the SS Dominion in 1905. My wife's uncle - taken into care by Barnardo's in London in around 1903 was sent to Quebec, Canada on the SS Dominion on 3 August 1905. Many thanks John - Suffolk

  I have family that came from Ireland and  settled in Boonton, Morris County, New Jersey, sometime between 1853 and 1856.    John Collins born about 1832 Ireland Mary (Smith) Collins born about 1834 Ireland Thomas Collins  born about 1854 Ireland   and then their next recorded child is   Ellen Collins born 28 Aug 1856, Pequannock (now Boonton), Morris, New Jersey   so they must have come into the country between 1854 and 1856.   Where, what, how, etc., do I search for any passangers lists that might be available when I do not know what port they arrived in?   The husband, John, is listed as a laborer and I have no idea how or why he ended up in Boonton, New Jersey.    Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you - Mary in Virginia USA

Hello.  I am new to the list and would like to ask for help and advice on obtaining any information on my relative listed below from the ship's passanger list.   Thank you so much - Mary in Virginia USA   Information from Declaration of Intention   Patrick COUGHLIN born:   November 18, 1886, Liverpool, England Single   Emigrated from Liverpool, England, on the vessel Michigan and arrived at the port of Boston in the State of Massachusetts on March 16, 1911.  

Hi John, Sure there is, you are in luck as there is also a "British Home Children" database. Reel # Ship Name Shipping Line Special Group(s) T-485 DOMINION (DOM) Dominion Line (J): Dr. Barnardo's party of boys from London for Toronto & Winnipeg (304) with J. Golden 28 & girls for Peterboro' (117) Mrs. Lloyd 38, Matron Departure Information Arrival Information Remarks Liverpool, England 1905-08-03 Quebec, Que. 1905-08-12 / Montreal, Que. Captain William L. Mendus; death at sea: American infant, Gordon Cable on 1905-08-11 (mother, Maggie 34) Canada online Passenger Lists http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html HINT: click on the image to enlarge, then hit the back button on your browser to be able to advance forward to the next page or backward to the previous page Home Children (1869-1930) http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/index-e.html Marj Kohli is away right now, but she would advise that there are also Barnardo "after care" records available .... her webpages(s) http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/homeadd.html http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/children/Organizations/societies.html http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/children/Organizations/barnardo.html Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:34 PM 2008-09-28 +0100, John Barbrook wrote: >Hi Listers > >Could anyone tell me please if there is an on-line passenger list for the SS >Dominion in 1905. > >My wife's uncle - taken into care by Barnardo's in London in around 1903 was >sent to Quebec, Canada on the SS Dominion on 3 August 1905. > >Many thanks > >John - Suffolk

Steve Morse has just informed OliveTreeGenealogy.com that he has now added phonetic matching as another search choice for the surname on the Ellis Island One Step gold search form. Read more about this new One Step option at http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for September 2008 is . . . o Fleets: o Hunter's River Steam Navigation Co. / Australasian Steam Nav. Co. o Queensland Steam Shipping Co. / Australasian United S.N. Co. Looks like September is Australia month. Two terrific new Fleets o Passengers: o ship Fitzjames, from London & Southampton to Port Adelaide 31st December 1855 o ship Nimroud, from London to Port Adelaide 31st December 1855 o ship Australia, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 22nd January 1856 The first three ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856 . . . before you write to me ..yes, I know the first two are dated 1855, but they are recorded at 1856 in SA State Records. This snippet below is part of an interesting report by Dr. Duncan in SA . . I intend to add an extract from the report to the index page for SA ships >I regret to say that, from inquiries which I have made of the shipping >agents to the steam ships and other vessels at Port Adelaide, it appears >that a considerable proportion of the newly arrived emigrants proceed >immediately to Melbourne ; whether it is that they find difficulty in >procuring employment, whether the report of higher wages combined with the >certainty that if these reports prove incorrect they have still the gold >fields to depend upon, or whether finding in England that they cannot get >a free passage to Victoria, they apply to be sent to South Australia, >knowing that for a small sum they can immediately procure passage to >Melbourne ; whether one or more of these circumstances may be supposed to >have an influence, the fact is undoubted that a certain portion of the >newly arrived immigrants leave immediately on arrival. If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, so it can be added as a note to the list. o Arrivals: o Emigrant Ships to Australia 1856-1857 This is carries on after the 1854-1856 "Return of Ships and Emigrants despatched by Public Funds .." o Pictures: o Mongolian 1891, Allan Line o Nestorian 1867, Allan Line o Numidian 1891, Allan Line o Parisian 1881, Allan Line o Pomeranian 1882, Allan Line (ex- Grecian Monarch, Monarch Line) o Sardinian 1874, Allan Line Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Catherine, Not to Halifax, but to Saint John, New Brunswick and your Mum is right, it was SCOTIAN, but I don't know whether it was the March 1st arrival or the April 4th arrival. Reel # Ship Name Departure Information Arrival Information Shipping Line Special Group(s) Remarks T-14836 SCOTIAN Liverpool, England 1919-02-19 St. John, N.B. 1919-03-01 (CPOS) Canadian Pacific Ocean Services Ltd. (M): Returning Military - Nominal Roll of Officers & Men (see also film number T-14837 - Some Sheets misfiled with CASSANDRA) Master: W.P. Harris; see also film number T-5569 T-14837 SCOTIAN Liverpool, England 1919-03-25 St. John, N.B. 1919-04-04 (CPOS) Canadian Pacific Ocean Services Ltd. (M): Returning Military - Nominal Roll of Officers and Men Master: W.P. Harris The reference to microfilm reel number T-5569 is for the Manifest index reel for those passengers. That was a list of passengers created after arrival . . . those are not online anywhere. I checked on "Find my Past" (British outbound list) and confirmed that persons of that name were on that ship, that year (you have to be subscribed to see more than the index) http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?redef=1 SWALES 1909 F 1919 Liverpool Canada Saint John NB SWALES E S 1908 F 1919 Liverpool Canada Saint John NB As you can see, the index calls David and "female" with no name or initial. I suspect the page just had ditto marks. Unfortunately the online Saint John lists only go to 1912 at present http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html The scanned list is available through Ancestry, or you can have your local library library bring in the microfilms for you, through inter-library loan, from the Library & Archives of Canada. Good luck, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 08:11 AM 2008-09-27 -0400, Catherine Ali wrote: >I have been trying to find the ship my late father and his sister came on >from Liverpool to Halifax. This message tells all I know and I hope >someone can help me. The 2 passengers are David Swales and Esther Swales. >They were children. > >"I asked Mother if she remembered the name of the boat they came out >on. She thinks it was called the Scotian (possibly might have been the >Nova Scotian) it sailed from Liverpool Dock in March 1919- there were very >few civilians on board - it had 2000 Canadian troops being sent home from >the first world war. Mother said when her and David weren't sea sick they >would march around on deck behind the soldiers - who were singing songs >like Its a Long way to Tipperary - it was the first time they had >heard any of those songs--They landed in Halifax and then went by train >to Montreal." > >Than You. >Catherine >[email protected]

Hi Steve, That could be a problem because the lists for that period are in quasi-alphabetical order. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 04:43 PM 2008-09-26 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >Can someone do a look up for me? > >The passenger in question was a Gusti PICKHOLZ, born about 1908 in >Poland. She arrived in St John's Canada on Dec. 12, 1920 from Antwerp, >Belgian. > >I am interested in whatever info may be on the passenger manifest, >especially WHO she may have been traveling with. > >Thank you for your help. > >Steve Pickholtz >New Jersey

Hi Shel, You must not have noticed that I responded to your earlier email on this subject, dated Sept. 24th In a nutshell I told you 1. The border record you found was CAN > US, not US > CAN 2. the November 1910 BRANDENBURG arrival from Bremen was at Philadelphia BRANDENBURG (NGL) North German Lloyd's / Norddeutscher Lloyd, Breman, Germany Departure Information Arrival Information Bremen, Germany 1910-11-03 Philadelphia, PA 1910-11-17 If you discarded my earlier response, you can read it in the archives http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/by+date Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 07:37 PM 2008-09-26 -0700, Scanner wrote: >Hi all, > >The Brandenburg apparently arrived Baltimore 1910 11 19, having left >Bremerhaven 1910 11 02. > >My uncle, Abram BERCOVICH (aka Abraham; aka BERCOVITCH, BERKOVITCH; >BERKOVICZ, etc.) apparently arrived on that ship -- so says a 1917 >Canada->U.S. Border Crossing manifest. I am trying to find the detail on >his manifest entry. He was, I believe, just passing through on his way >back to Canada, so likely would be classed as a "Non-immigrant alien". > >Unfortunately, it appears that the "Big 'A'" only shows one page (p. 159) >of the manifest. Neither Ancestry's own nor Steve Morse's search pages >turn him up, suggesting that the first 158 pages of the manifest are >"missing". I believe Morse's "Missing Manifests" utility only works with >Ellis Island arrivals. > >Does anyone have any ideas on how to find my uncle's listing on the >manifest? :-) > >Many thanks in advance for any help! > >Searchingly, > >Shel Bercovich, >Calgary, AB, Canada