I have found that the Barque Felicitas ON 69631was built by Baldwin, Peter apparently in Quebec (but may have been in Kingston Ontario ..where I cleaned bilges on a ship repair in 1957!) and was sold to ?? in Liverpool UK in 1874 Our man was on her from June 1886 to June 1888 Can anyone help find this ship in that period? Regards Robin

G'day List I am researching the Liverpool ship SEA 1847-53 and have identified some of her voyages to Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada., New York and New Orleans. I have found these voyages from various newspaper reports. Can anyone suggest places that I might be able to research, to find more about this ship at those ports? ie. cargo, passengers, captain etc. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Cheers........Bob

Hi everyone, Just wanted to share this exciting news with everyone: Incoming UK Ships Passenger lists are now online! Genealogists can now search for ancestors on UK Incoming Ships Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 These new passenger lists include OUTBOUND lists from Canada and America as well as other countries such as Australia, all heading for ports in the United Kingdom. Read more about this terrific new resource at http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Neither Canada or America maintained "outbound" passenger lists. The records for all these ship passengers travelling between 1890 and 1960 are the only United Kingdom "inbound" lists, but prior to this month, they were not indexed, nor microfilmed. The original inbound lists were kept at Public Record Office in Kew, England, and they could only be viewed in person. Now they are online and I've been having a lot of fun finding my own ancestors going back to England from Canada. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Hi Listers, I'm new on here and hoping someone may be able to help me. I have just found a record for: Alfred P Perry on the document: 'List or Manifest of Aliens Employed on the vessel as members of crew'. Vessel: Br.str. "Princess Kathleen" arriving at Seattle Washington May 16 1936. He was a Fireman, age 22, English, 6'1" weight 176 and had served 4 years. Sailed from port of Victoria B.C. (British Columbia I think) He crops up on lots of records for the same ship over the 4 years. Joined up 1/6/1932 age 17 Princess Kathleen. My question: How can I find out more about this person? The name is right, the nationality is right and the birth year is right. I need to know about where he came from, address or real date of birth. There is also an Alfred P Perry on the Legion Magazine for British Columbia Naval Reserve Volunteers - died in 1991 aged 76 which would more or less be same birth year. Is this the same man? Can I find out more on the B.C Naval Reserve Volunteers? Many thanks, Diana Can anyone in Canada help?

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Hello! I am trying to find information on the ship Henry Kneeland. My GGGrandfather Henry Sullivan came over from Ireland on this ship. Apparently, the ship left Liverpool for New York and arrived on July 27, 1833. He was a shoemaker. If anyone has a picture of the ship, I would be most grateful. Best of regards, Mike Lochner Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE

Hi Listers, I really got the feeling of the ship that Don posted this day, Could we have more? Thank you Don for this. ~Linda~ IF I knew then, what I know now.... I would have done then, what i can't do now.

This was posted on the LinersList by John Emery, Cedar Hill, Texas. The chat is usually about modern cruise ships but I thought you might like to read some details of a liner from 'our' era. (with John's agreement) For those who are more interested in the passenger ships of the past. Some ships are happy ships throughout their careers; others have no end of difficulties, and are very unhappy. One of the latter was the Cunard Line steamer Ultonia. On November 12, 1898, the new Cunard steamer Ultonia arrived in Boston on her maiden voyage. Primarily designed for cattle and cargo, the Ultonia could also carry considerable numbers of passengers. She was 513 feet long with a 57 foot beam, and she had twin screws, registering 10,402 tons. In June, 1905, the Ultonia faced her first major mutiny on a voyage between New York and Fiume. The firemen balked at being switched from a four hour watch to a six hour watch and struck. Faced with this situation, her Captain ordered some of his Austrian crewmen to replace the striking firemen. Having none of it, the Austrians attempted to beat up the British officers. Resorting to their pistols, the officers and put the Austrians in irons, and ordered the rest of the crew into the engine rooms at gun point, there to act as firemen and stokers. In 1911, the Chief Officer of the Ultonia and the Second Officer of the Austrian ship Laura participated in a wireless chess match that lasted two hours. Even though the two ships never sighted each other, the match continued. The Ultonia´s Chief Officer won. In a scene eerily reminiscent of the recently lamented Titanic, the Ultonia under the command of Captain Prothero struck ice on her first trip of the 1912 season, from Southampton to Montreal. She struggled into Halifax having lost one screw in the prevailing "phenomenal ice conditions," which existed that year. Her 1,200 passengers disembarked at Halifax for transit to their ultimate destinations in Canada and the US. She had departed Southampton on April 28, and arrived at Halifax May 6. She departed Halifax for Montreal on May 8. In 1915, the Ultonia had a tie-in with the loss of the Lusitania. Her commander, Captain Malin, became ill, and the only available master was Captain W. T. Turner, late of the Lusitania. At this time, the Ultonia was still fully a Cunard ship, not being chartered to the Admiralty. By this time, though, the Ultonia had become something of a joke in shipping circles, being described as "...the slowest vessel in the Cunard service in the Atlantic trade, and has the record (sic) of taking twenty-three days from Gibralter to New York." Embarrasingly, the Ultonia closed out 1915 stuck in the mud at St Nazaire. Four tugs released her from her position of shame. 1916 saw the Ultonia a victim of yet another mutiny among her crew. This unhappy ship had a mixed crew of Spaniards, Bengalese, West Indians, Maltese, Irish, and Americans. In this instance, the Spanish firemen decided after the ship had sailed from Erie Basin to Boston, but before leaving New York Harbor, that it was time for them to be paid off. Captain Turner, still in command (what a demotion after commanding the Lusitania), anchored in the vicinity of Liberty Island and summoned assistance. The New York police refused to do anything about what Turner described as a "mutiny," but he sent his purser ashore to the British consulate to get replacements for the Spanish being put ashore. Most of the replacement crew, mostly Arabs and West Indians, were from the recently sunk Industry, so the crewmen were pleased to be at sea again so soon. No doubt, Turner was pleased to see the backs of the troublesome Spanish, who had also caused trouble recently in St Nazaire in knife fights with locals, which resulted in 12 of the Spanish crewmen in durance vile, and three in the hospital. On June 27, 1917, the unhappy life of the Ultonia was brought to an end by a German submarine 190 miles Southwest of Fastnet. Lightly armed for defensive purposes, her armament was of no use against the torpedo that gave no notice of its approach. One man was killed. A sea change from late 20th-early 21st Centuries.

Hi Kathy, Thanks so much for your posting about the Noregian Ships, sure anwered a few questions that I had been developing about travels in thelate 1800's. Thanks again for your efforts. ~Linda~ Garden of Weedin'...Free weeds, you pick!

Hi Susan, Welcome back ! Yes, Marj and I are still here :-} Kathy sent a great link, but I found this one for the Olympic. Granted, Tunisian was a bit older, but this should give you a decent idea of second class acommodations. http://www.sopse.org.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?a=query&p=hants&f=generic_objectrecord.htm&_IXFIRST_=1&_IXMAXHITS_=1&%3Dcms_con_core_identifier=hs-so-hs8323-i-00-000.jpg&t=hs-hs-titanic_5&s=VsJ_sa1pJhF Maybe some Postcard sites will have more images of passenger cabins http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/Resource.htm#pictures Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 10:14 PM 2008-10-21 -0400, Susan Evans Shaw wrote: >Greetings, > >After a lapse of a few years I have re-joined the list. I hope to see some >familiar names. > >My first question is about a second cabin passenger's creature comforts. >Would there be bath or shower available in 1912. Was there much demand? I >know people didn't bathe with the frequency we do in Modern times but I am >interested in the facilities available. My apologies if the question has >already been raised. > >Sue Swiggum and Margery Kohli are you still fielding questions? > >Good to be back, > >Susan in Hamilton ON

Susan Evans Shaw wrote: > My first question is about a second cabin passenger's creature comforts. > Would there be bath or shower available in 1912. I am > interested in the facilities available. There are some pictures of a ship's interior here: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=haaml Although from 1876, you can imagine that 36 years later, things had improved quite a bit. Conditions on steamships were an immense improvement over that in sailing ships: http://www.norwayheritage.com/steerage.htm Hope this helps, Kathy

Greetings, After a lapse of a few years I have re-joined the list. I hope to see some familiar names. My first question is about a second cabin passenger's creature comforts. Would there be bath or shower available in 1912. Was there much demand? I know people didn't bathe with the frequency we do in Modern times but I am interested in the facilities available. My apologies if the question has already been raised. Sue Swiggum and Margery Kohli are you still fielding questions? Good to be back, Susan in Hamilton ON

On 18 Oct 2008 at 9:44, Kathy wrote: > Olive Tree Genealogy wrote: > > The Missing Friends Project at > > http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ has > > added another set of extracts from Newspapers. > > Anyone looking for the complete Missing Friends database can > find it here: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ That's a great database Kathy, and it is one of several linked to from the Missing Friends Project online at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ But for anyone who just wants to see who sailed into Quebec (and other Canadian ports) it may be easier to view the names at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ Remember, spelling wasn't uniform back then, and a person might be under a different name than expected. Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Carlton, There are virtually no surviving passenger records for Nova Scotia prior to 1881. This is all we know about the ships to and from Nova Scotia and their passengers, from 1815 on .. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/novascotia.htm The first mention of "Disbanded Soldiers & Pensioners" is in 1816 Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 04:38 PM 2008-10-17 -0700, Carlton Nash wrote: >Am looking for any information regarding William Francis Shatford, born >London England, 31 Jan 1796, died Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, 8 Apr 1878. >William served in the Royal Navy aboard H.B.M.S. Java where he was taken >prisoner by U.S.F. Constitution during a sea battle off the coast of Brazil >on 29 Jan 1812. William was 16 years old at that time. Java's crew >returned to England in April,1813. William was 17 years old at that time. >William married Elizabeth Sally Richardson in Nova Scotia 19 Nov 1822 so his >arrival there had to be prior to that date.

Olive Tree Genealogy wrote: > The Missing Friends Project at > http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ has added > another set of extracts from Newspapers. Anyone looking for the complete Missing Friends database can find it here: http://infowanted.bc.edu/

Hi folks, I am delighted with what has been sent to me already about the drowning at sea from the "Hong Kong", so thanks to you all. I have some further questions, please... 1. Does "founder" necessarily mean the ship sank? 2. What documents am I likely to find in TNA or NMM? I am hoping I may be able to see the ships log and crew/passenger list and the National Maritime Museum or wherever. I suppose that the Captain (who seems to have not been in the lifeboat which sank) might have grabbed the log before abandoning ship? If he wasn't able to do that, and if nothing was salvaged, then would there be documents relating to an inquiry which the maritime authorities required - either for the loss of the vessel or for the death of passengers? What are the names for such investigations / documents? Inquest? 2. The disaster was off the Horn of Africa, pretty much in the Indian Ocean. If the 12 bodies had been recovered, what would have happened to them? Would they have been buried in the nearest (Christian?) place onshore, or could they have been preserved and taken to England to bury? I suppose if the bodies had not been recovered, under cause of death it would say "missing, presumed drowned". Were death certificates issued in these cases? 3. I read an anecdote about the disaster that it was in a monsoon. Is it possible there was a storm in February in the north of the Indian Ocean, which may have contributed to the ship being a bit off course and hitting an uncharted rock? Do they have monsoons in February in the Indian Ocean? My distant memories of geography lessons are a bit shaky but I do feel doubtful. I have found www.theshipslist.com about the Milburn Line, and I have read the Milburn information on www.red-duster.co.uk. Here's what has been sent to me so far, thanks to Marj and Ted: > The steamship HONG KONG left Gravesend on 24th Jan.1875 bound for > Japan and reached Port Said on 10th Feb. On leaving Port Said, she > had on board 49 persons, of whom 9 were passengers. On the morning > of 22nd Feb.she struck a submerged uncharted rock and foundered > near Socotra off the Horn of Africa. The lifeboats were launched > and everyone safely transferred to them when the Chief Officer's > boat capsized drowning all 12 occupants including a lady passenger > and her 5 children. The rest of the survivors landed safely > (Dictionary of Disasters at Sea 1824-1962 by C. Hocking) > The ship was 1,881 gross tons and was built in 1871 for Watts, > Milburn & Co, London. > > The London Times of Feb 27, 1875 reported the loss of a passenger > steamer -- in part: > > "The Hong Kong, steamer, from London to Japan, struck on a sunken > rock off Abdel Kuri and foundered....In the list of passengers > furnished to us by the owners occurs the name of Mrs. Jane Walton, > with her children, Alfred, Esther, jane, Thomas, and Nellie, and > according to the brokers, this lady was going out to join her > husband at Yokohama...." > > The ship was owned by Messrs. Watts, Milburn, and Co., of 85, > Gracechurch-street, London. The loss was twelve drowned, including > Jane Walton and her five children. I would much appreciate hearing anything further from you! Sally in England

The Missing Friends Project at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ has added another set of extracts from Newspapers. The recent set is from the Boston Pilot, published in Boston Massachusetts. >From October 1831 to October 1921, the Boston Pilot newspaper printed a Missing Friends (Information Wanted) column with advertisements from people looking for lost friends and relatives who had emigrated from Ireland to the United States & Canada. Many travelling to Canadian ports went on to USA, but others remained in Canada. This project is extracting the names and other details of those who sailed into Quebec and other Canadian Ports of Arrival. Many of those who settled in America sailed to Canadian ports as the cost was much less. This new dataset of Missing Friends from the Boston Pilot is for those who were known to have arrived or settled in Quebec. Since ships passenger lists to Canada did not have to be archvived before 1865, these extractions will form an important piece in the gap in surviving ships passenger lists. Search for your ancestors in the Boston Pilot extracts, 1830-1840 at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/MissingFriends/ This is an ongoing project. Feel free to pass this message on to others - enjoy! Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Hi Ted, How marvellous that you were able to find out for me! I am thrilled, and it is very moving to see the details. It is a great short cut to finding out other things now! These were not my ancestors, but I have followed the family closely for sometime now and they would have known my great grandfather probably, so it seems like they are my family. So it wasn't a monsoon at all, which shows how embroidered second- hand stories can be. I now have further questions, which I hope someone may pick up for me? First, is that the total of the entry in the Dictionary of Disasters at Sea? How can I find out what sort of cargo it was carrying (which I presume it was), and/or what was the ship's purpose? What sort of ship was it? If it was built for Watts, Milburn & Co. London, were they the owners in 1975? Or might it have been acquired by Jardine Mathesons? Where can I find out more about Watts, Milburn & Co? Many many thanks, you have helped me so much already! Sally On 17 Oct 2008, at 16:06, Ted Finch wrote: > Hi Sally, > > The steamship HONG KONG left Gravesend on 24th Jan.1875 bound for > Japan and reached Port Said on 10th Feb. On leaving Port Said, she > had on board 49 persons, of whom 9 were passengers. On the morning > of 22nd Feb.she struck a submerged uncharted rock and foundered > near Socotra off the Horn of Africa. The lifeboats were launched > and everyone safely transferred to them when the Chief Officer's > boat capsized drowning all 12 occupants including a lady passenger > and her 5 children. The rest of the survivors landed safely > (Dictionary of Disasters at Sea 1824-1962 by C. Hocking) > The ship was 1,881 gross tons and was built in 1871 for Watts, > Milburn & Co, London. > > Hope this helps > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Haden" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: [TSL] Hong Kong (vessel name), passengers drowned 1875, > Far East > > >> Hi folks >> >> I am new to the list and hope that someone will be able to help me >> find out more about the fate of a vessel somewhere in the Far East in >> 1875. >> >> On 22nd February 1875 an English woman and her five young children >> drowned at sea somewhere en route to Japan. Her name was Jane >> WALTON. She was to join her husband Thomas in Japan, who was there >> on contract in a British-Japanese project to build Japan's first >> industrial glass factory. I am writing a book about the project >> because my great grandfather was there too. >> >> This was not emigration. >> >> Jane and her children were on board the "Hong Kong" (registration >> number 65570). I have read an anecdote related many years later by a >> friend of Thomas Walton which said that the ship was in a monsoon at >> the time of the drowning. I don't know if the ship was lost, or just >> some of the passengers. >> >> As the glass factory project was probably financed by the big >> merchant company Jardine Matheson & Co. it is quite possible that the >> ship was owned by Jardine Matheson & Co. >> >> I don't know where the ship was registered and I don't know where to >> look. The ship might have departed from Britain, or it might have >> been a smaller more local vessel which ran between, say Hong Kong, >> Nagasaki and Shanghai. Jardines had big interests in all those >> places. >> >> All I have is the GRO "deaths at sea" record which, as I understand >> it, is the record made by the GRO when they received the information >> from the Register General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). It says the >> registration was received 24th June 1875, which is four months after >> the event. >> >> I have not yet found any newspaper reports, but haven't searched very >> thoroughally yet. >> >> I would really appreciate any advice about this! >> >> Cheers! >> >> Sally >> in England >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> visit TheShipsList Website >> http://www.theshipslist.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to THESHIPSLIST- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: > 16/10/2008 07:38 > >

Am looking for any information regarding William Francis Shatford, born London England, 31 Jan 1796, died Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, 8 Apr 1878. William served in the Royal Navy aboard H.B.M.S. Java where he was taken prisoner by U.S.F. Constitution during a sea battle off the coast of Brazil on 29 Jan 1812. William was 16 years old at that time. Java's crew returned to England in April,1813. William was 17 years old at that time. William married Elizabeth Sally Richardson in Nova Scotia 19 Nov 1822 so his arrival there had to be prior to that date.

Hi Sally, The steamship HONG KONG left Gravesend on 24th Jan.1875 bound for Japan and reached Port Said on 10th Feb. On leaving Port Said, she had on board 49 persons, of whom 9 were passengers. On the morning of 22nd Feb.she struck a submerged uncharted rock and foundered near Socotra off the Horn of Africa. The lifeboats were launched and everyone safely transferred to them when the Chief Officer's boat capsized drowning all 12 occupants including a lady passenger and her 5 children. The rest of the survivors landed safely (Dictionary of Disasters at Sea 1824-1962 by C. Hocking) The ship was 1,881 gross tons and was built in 1871 for Watts, Milburn & Co, London. Hope this helps Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Haden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: [TSL] Hong Kong (vessel name), passengers drowned 1875, Far East > Hi folks > > I am new to the list and hope that someone will be able to help me > find out more about the fate of a vessel somewhere in the Far East in > 1875. > > On 22nd February 1875 an English woman and her five young children > drowned at sea somewhere en route to Japan. Her name was Jane > WALTON. She was to join her husband Thomas in Japan, who was there > on contract in a British-Japanese project to build Japan's first > industrial glass factory. I am writing a book about the project > because my great grandfather was there too. > > This was not emigration. > > Jane and her children were on board the "Hong Kong" (registration > number 65570). I have read an anecdote related many years later by a > friend of Thomas Walton which said that the ship was in a monsoon at > the time of the drowning. I don't know if the ship was lost, or just > some of the passengers. > > As the glass factory project was probably financed by the big > merchant company Jardine Matheson & Co. it is quite possible that the > ship was owned by Jardine Matheson & Co. > > I don't know where the ship was registered and I don't know where to > look. The ship might have departed from Britain, or it might have > been a smaller more local vessel which ran between, say Hong Kong, > Nagasaki and Shanghai. Jardines had big interests in all those places. > > All I have is the GRO "deaths at sea" record which, as I understand > it, is the record made by the GRO when they received the information > from the Register General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). It says the > registration was received 24th June 1875, which is four months after > the event. > > I have not yet found any newspaper reports, but haven't searched very > thoroughally yet. > > I would really appreciate any advice about this! > > Cheers! > > Sally > in England > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 16/10/2008 07:38

Hi folks I am new to the list and hope that someone will be able to help me find out more about the fate of a vessel somewhere in the Far East in 1875. On 22nd February 1875 an English woman and her five young children drowned at sea somewhere en route to Japan. Her name was Jane WALTON. She was to join her husband Thomas in Japan, who was there on contract in a British-Japanese project to build Japan's first industrial glass factory. I am writing a book about the project because my great grandfather was there too. This was not emigration. Jane and her children were on board the "Hong Kong" (registration number 65570). I have read an anecdote related many years later by a friend of Thomas Walton which said that the ship was in a monsoon at the time of the drowning. I don't know if the ship was lost, or just some of the passengers. As the glass factory project was probably financed by the big merchant company Jardine Matheson & Co. it is quite possible that the ship was owned by Jardine Matheson & Co. I don't know where the ship was registered and I don't know where to look. The ship might have departed from Britain, or it might have been a smaller more local vessel which ran between, say Hong Kong, Nagasaki and Shanghai. Jardines had big interests in all those places. All I have is the GRO "deaths at sea" record which, as I understand it, is the record made by the GRO when they received the information from the Register General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). It says the registration was received 24th June 1875, which is four months after the event. I have not yet found any newspaper reports, but haven't searched very thoroughally yet. I would really appreciate any advice about this! Cheers! Sally in England