On 28 Oct 2008 at 8:12, Sally Haden wrote: > > It was in response to the information given by > [email protected], a few days ago, in reference to the > Incoming UK Ships Passenger lists and the info on > http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ > > >> I was most interested to explore this possibility, > >> because I am trying to trace the return to England from > >> Japan a man named James SPEED in about 1885, or > >> somewhere between 1883 up to possibly about 1887. I > >> have no idea of the name of the ship or its port of > >> destination, I only know his name and age and the certain > >> fact of his return. > >> > >> After finding 'him' on a free search, I upgraded my > >> subscription to Ancestry, only to find it wasn't him. I > >> don't mind the expense of my upgrade actually, because > >> it will mean I can look for various 'global' events now. > >> But I have a question please. Sally Since posting the first info several days ago, I've had a chance to play around in those lists and have discovered some very interesting (but FRUSTRATING) problems with the indexing of those lists! So please, if you did not find your ancestor, go back to http://olivetreegenealogy.blogspot.com/ and read the TWO posts about the problems with indexing and how best to search for an ancestor in those incoming UK lists -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

Hello Elizabeth, This would have been the Ocean SS Co CYCLOPS. CYCLOPS 2,064 gross tons, length 320ft x beam 34.3ft, one funnel, two masts, iron hull, single screw, accommodation for 35 passengers. Built 1880 by Scott & Co, Greenock for Ocean SS Co, Liverpool and used mainly on U.K. - Far East service. 1894 transferred to Ocean's Dutch subsidiary company N.S.M. Oceaan. 1902 sold to Uruguay renamed IBERIA. 1904 scrapped at Montevideo. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "rummins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: [TSL] Ship "Cyclops" 1893 > > Dear Listers, > > On the new Ancestry Index listing for UK Incoming Passenger Lists 1878 - > 1960, > I have found a reference to Mr John Rummins aboard a ship "Cyclops". > > This listing implies that the ship was coming from Shanghai, China and > arrived in London on 14 October 1893, via Port Said. The actual shipping > list shows that Mr John Rummins, Mariner, boarded at Colombo. The > shipping list page shows that the ship had previously been in Melbourne, > Adelaide and Albany prior to Colombo. There was no owner or agent listed > on the Ancestry Index individual information sheet for the Rummins > entry. > > Does anybody have information about this ship please? I know there has > been an HMS Cyclops launched in the 1860 but I doubt if this vessel > would have been taking on a number of civilian passengers. Google > searches do not seem to throw light on a vessel of this name which > appears to be the correct one. > > How common was a shipping route in 1893 which included Shanghai and then > Australian ports prior to heading to England? > > Any thoughts on the description of the ship or details of the voyage > would be much appreciated. > > The above mentioned index will be of great use to many who are trying to > locate shipping movements of relatives in this earlier time so is worth > a look to see what pops up. > > Regards, > Elizabeth > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 16:10

Dear Listers, On the new Ancestry Index listing for UK Incoming Passenger Lists 1878 - 1960, I have found a reference to Mr John Rummins aboard a ship "Cyclops". This listing implies that the ship was coming from Shanghai, China and arrived in London on 14 October 1893, via Port Said. The actual shipping list shows that Mr John Rummins, Mariner, boarded at Colombo. The shipping list page shows that the ship had previously been in Melbourne, Adelaide and Albany prior to Colombo. There was no owner or agent listed on the Ancestry Index individual information sheet for the Rummins entry. Does anybody have information about this ship please? I know there has been an HMS Cyclops launched in the 1860 but I doubt if this vessel would have been taking on a number of civilian passengers. Google searches do not seem to throw light on a vessel of this name which appears to be the correct one. How common was a shipping route in 1893 which included Shanghai and then Australian ports prior to heading to England? Any thoughts on the description of the ship or details of the voyage would be much appreciated. The above mentioned index will be of great use to many who are trying to locate shipping movements of relatives in this earlier time so is worth a look to see what pops up. Regards, Elizabeth

Jim, KINGSWOOD as in your header and not KINSWOOD as in body of message? Miramar ship index shows two possibles for KINGSWOOD circa 1924 at: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/165440 This one seems to have been with Constantines of Middlesbrough from 1924 to 1928. The other: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/155173 This looks to have been with Blue Star from 1922-1931. The KINGSWOOD sunk 1939 was built 1929 for Constantine, replacing their ship mentioned above. If you have information to clarify which one of these is your interest it may help some of us to look for possible photo sources. Ron Mapplebeck Middlesbrough (UK) ***** Jim Murphy wrote: > /Hi, > > I would appreciate any info or a photo of the S.S. Kinswood (circa 1924) > as a relative of mine kept a diary of a round the world trip on the vessel. > > Any help appreciated. > > Jim Murphy > / > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Elizabeth According to the London Times of June 13, 1893 the navy vessel Cyclops was "to take part in the naval manoeuvres". On Aug 21, 1893 the Times reported the ship Cyclops as arriving at Shanghai. On Oct 14, the Cyclops arrived at Portland from Shanghai. On Jan 15, 1894 there is an ad for the Cyclops of the Ocean Steamship company. This vessel is going from Liverpool to China and Japan but it says she goes to Algiers, Suez Canal, Straits Settlements, Java, China and Japan. I checked a 1892 ad and she was on the same run. First class fare was 10 guineas to Algiers; 40 pounds to the Straits; 45 pounds to Hong Kong and to Shanghai or Japan 50 pounds. Regards.. Marj At 03:59 PM 10/31/2008, rummins wrote: >Dear Listers, > >On the new Ancestry Index listing for UK Incoming Passenger Lists 1878 - >1960, >I have found a reference to Mr John Rummins aboard a ship "Cyclops". > >This listing implies that the ship was coming from Shanghai, China and >arrived in London on 14 October 1893, via Port Said. The actual shipping >list shows that Mr John Rummins, Mariner, boarded at Colombo. The >shipping list page shows that the ship had previously been in Melbourne, >Adelaide and Albany prior to Colombo. There was no owner or agent listed >on the Ancestry Index individual information sheet for the Rummins >entry. > >Does anybody have information about this ship please? I know there has >been an HMS Cyclops launched in the 1860 but I doubt if this vessel >would have been taking on a number of civilian passengers. Google >searches do not seem to throw light on a vessel of this name which >appears to be the correct one. > >How common was a shipping route in 1893 which included Shanghai and then >Australian ports prior to heading to England? > >Any thoughts on the description of the ship or details of the voyage >would be much appreciated. > >The above mentioned index will be of great use to many who are trying to >locate shipping movements of relatives in this earlier time so is worth >a look to see what pops up. > >Regards, >Elizabeth >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

/Hi, I would appreciate any info or a photo of the S.S. Kinswood (circa 1924) as a relative of mine kept a diary of a round the world trip on the vessel. Any help appreciated. Jim Murphy /

Hi, further to my message yesterday about this subject, I have had a reply today from the GRO about the nature of the certificates which are issued when you apply for an "Overseas" > "Marine" death, giving details about them. It might be of interest to anyone who wants to apply for a certificate. I told them that I had been shown a certificate (thanks to David on this list) which was entitled "Certified copy of an Entry in the Marine Register" and it had the following columns.... Name of Ship Official Number Date of Death Place of Death Name and Surname of Deceased Sex Age Rank etc Nationality Last place of Abode Cause of Death Passenger or Member of Crew but I wasn't sure if this was the "Death Certificate" per se. I was informed by the GRO Overseas section today that yes, this "Certified copy of an Entry in the Marine Register" is what is issued if you apply for a death certificate from the "Overseas" "Marine" index. The certificate uses whatever the captain has sent to the RGSS (Register General of Shipping and Seamen) out of his Log. He is required to do this once he gets back to the country of the ship's registration. Therefore the quantity (and accuracy!) of the information depends on the captain. In my own research case of some deaths at sea, I have already seen a copy of the handwritten record which the GRO made on receipt of the information from the RGSS. It is so scant, and inaccurate for some of the names and ages of the family who drowned, that I was hoping that the 'actual' death certificates for them might be much better. The GRO also told me that forces sea deaths are sometimes very brief and there are no next of kin contained in these death certificates (by which I presume they mean all of these death certificates, irrespective of whether they are forces or otherwise). In my own case, the ship went down in 8 minutes, so I am not surprised that the information is inaccurate... and really I wonder if in fact the Captain might have been in such a hurry to get off that he didn't have time to grab the Log book. He and the great majority of the crew survived. 12 people drowned. I have concluded that it isn't worth my money to send for any of these death certificates because they won't tell me anything more than I already know. If anyone has cause to email the Overseas GRO you could use this address: [email protected] Again, apologies if any of this is inaccurate, or not true in certain cases. Sally

Hi Elaine, Not 1940, and not to New York, but how about 1939 to Halifax and Quebec . . . probably pretty similar. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/fares/cpfares.html This is an interesting para ... Fares For Children Under one year, Cabin, $10.00 each way, Tourist and Third Class, $4.00 each way. One year and under ten, All Classes, half fare. Ten years and over, All Classes full fare. Passenger Ship Fares Index page http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/fares/index.htm Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 12:06 AM 2008-10-28 -0400, ETM wrote: >Passage fares in 1940 for an adult and child -- is >there information concerning costs for various >modes of travel from low to upper class? > >Elaine

Does anyone anywhere know how I would find information about ships and passengers in the 1700s? I've been trying for years to locate a 'Brig Mary' that supposedly sailed from Liverpool (may have originated in Dublin) to Baltimore (Port Tobacco) around 1709 (1700-1710) carrying a passenger named Thomas Delany and family but have not had any luck. I've been a member of the list for many years and I think I've only had one response in all that time saying how scarce this information is. I definitely agree but I thought I would inquire one more time before leaving the list as so much information has been made available in the interim I was hoping someone might have a clue or two I could follow up on. Thomas Delany was my immigrant and family lore would take me back 200 years more but his father ('said to be' Gideon Delaune) is the missing link that ties it all together and I can't deal with 'gossip' or 'it is said' and I would like to close in on this to complete the lines that I have. The Delany/Dulany family is well documented after their arrival in America ca. 1700-1710 (his 3 sons preceeded him aroud 1700-1704 and the Delaune family is well documented in England but so far Delany/Delaune connection has not be provable by documentation and there is another faction who believes this connection is false and his line goes back to the ancient septs. I happen to be in the Delaune camp because of stories handed down by my grandmothers over the generations but we all know that that is not exactly factually reliable over time. The fact that most Irish records were destroyed has not helped at all and the family from Delaune back were Huguenots and I have not found any of those registers either. Well, I digress, please respond with any threads that I might follow for the Brig Mary around 1708/9... Hopefully, Barbara DULANEY Engel OKC, OK, USA ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Deaths at sea, obtaining certificates (Sally Haden) > 2. *new* for TheShipsList website (Sue Swiggum) > 3. Unsubscribe (Cindy Burgwin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:09:05 +0000 > From: Sally Haden <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Deaths at sea, obtaining certificates > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi folks, > A few people seem to be asking how to find deaths at sea and how to > get a certificate. > > I am new to the list and this was/is my problem. All I can > contribute is what I have found so far, and that is as regards the > deaths at sea of English people, from a British-registered ship. > > On Findmypast you can do a free search, then pay for whatever you find. > http://www.findmypast.com/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp > > When you are there, > you can go to Deaths at sea 1854-1890 (assuming that covers it) for a > handwritten records which the GRO made when the RGSS (Register > General of Shipping and Seamen) notified them of deaths at sea, as it > was obliged to do. > > and/or > > you can go to Deaths - British overseas, by date, where you can get > the GRO number to order a certificate. > > Personally I didn't want to have to pay the minimum subscription > because I subscribe for most of my material elsewhere, so I went to a > local library where there were British Overseas deaths on fiche and > got the registration number. The GRO told me that you need > "Overseas" then within that "Marine", and of course the ship and > people, name and date. Not all local resources have the "Overseas" > section in their collection of BMD, so it's best to find out before > going. > > Ancestry do not have the Overseas BMD! At least not according to my > searches, my library's searches and the searches of other people. > > I have yet to order a certificate for the death at sea that I want, > because I am a little unclear whether it is going to tell me anything > more than I already know. I am going to ask the GRO themselves if > they can tell me what the certificate headings are. The RGSS sent > some inaccurate data to the GRO in the case of the family I am > following (Christian names and ages are very loose), so I would like > to see if this was corrected in the certificates, or if the > certificates just blindly copied what the RGSS sent them, without > following up the information to establish who these people were > (which seems a little bizarre for an official "death certificate"?). > > As you may already know, you can get a death certificate in different > ways. The GRO will send you one through an internet or phone order. > They charge according to whether you have the required GRO reference > numbers or not, and whether you want it in the post or online. > > The Overseas>Marine Deaths index appears to provide only one GRO > reference number. For a death in England and Wales you get a > registration district number and a page number. In the case I have > followed up on Overseas>Marine, there is only a page number. I guess > they don't have/need a registration district number for this because > it's one volume, "Marine". > > If, before all this, you have problems with the date or other > details, then you can first try The Times archive, for which you will > need to pay a minimum subscription to search. But if you find the > event there, you may have lots of additional interesting information. > > My apologies if I have any of this wrong! When I hear back from the > GRO, I will post to the list again. > > Regards > Sally > in Yorkshire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:30:37 -0300 > From: Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] *new* for TheShipsList website > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > *new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own > page(s) > Find them on the front page in between the big arrows > --------------> <--------------- > > At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous > month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth > between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of > *new* page links on the Home page. New for October 2008 is . . . > > o Fleets: > o Commonwealth Line (Australia) > o Atlantic Steam Navigation Company 1946-1971 > o Zuid Hollandsche Scheepvaart Maatschappij 1917-1968 &c. > > Three more Fleets bringing our Fleets to over 30,000 ships. > > o Arrivals: > o Ships to Quebec 1830 (completed ...4 pages) > > Have finally finished the 1830 papers. The last page contains interesting > items such as that two of the ships, the brig MALAY from Tobermory, brought > 50 settlers to Quebec, but had first stopped at Cape Breton, NS and > disembarked 211 passengers there. Also, the brig CROWN, from Glasgow, > doesn't mention any passengers for Quebec, but had left 209 passengers at > Cape Breton. > As usual, lots of interesting news items, with so very many settlers some > even arriving as late in the season as October 31st !! Usually the > latest you see settlers arriving, is mid September. > btw. I'm beginning the 1830 steamboat lists, so hopefully we'll be able to > see at least some of those tens of thousands of settlers. > > o Passengers: > o barque Duchess of Northumberland, from Southampton to Port > Adelaide 29th February 1856 > o ship Amazon, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 8th April 1856 > o barque Violet, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 13th April 1856 > o barque Aurora, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 22nd May 1856 > > Four more ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856, we > now have nine for that year. I'm noticing ships which are much more mixed > than large regional groups of passengers which we've seen in the > past. There are also a lot more single men than before, especially more > than in 1855. > > If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) > to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or > myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for > Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, > so it can be added as a note to the list. > > Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list > to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those > list members (in other words, on-topic). > > Enjoy ! > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cindy Burgwin <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Unsubscribe > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Unsubscribe > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:02 AM > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Chris Woods) > 2. "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details (Sally > Haden) > 3. Ship Iris ([email protected]) > 4. Re: "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) (Betty) > 5. John Forster - Stockton on Tees (Ethel Howell) > 6. Christiana (gordon) > 7. Re: Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Christine Miller) > 8. Death at sea (Edna Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:06:38 -0000 > From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > > > > Dear Christine, > > came in late on this one: > > HESTIA 118 tons, Steam, first registered Greenock, 31st. March 1876 > so > fits nicely between the REGARD and the DIANA > > There are no documents for this ship at the National Archives.# > > Various documents from the Registrar General of (British) Ships and Seamen > for 'HASTIA' O.N. 72046 at the Memorial University, Newfoundland, up > to > and including 1884: > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php > > For the 1885 documents, if they have survived, you should try Greenwich, > ensuring you include her Official Number > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/ > > If the ship was lost, you might try: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/SHIPWRECK.html > > Chris > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:02:59 +0000 > From: Sally Haden <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi folks, > > Have any of you got a death certificate for a person who was drowned > at sea? > > I would like to know what differences there are between one of those > and a normal England/Wales Death certificate, please. > > I finally have the GRO reference after following the GRO's > instructions. I needed the "Overseas" section of their indexes, then > > within that "Marine, deaths". > > I just don't know if it worth sending for. So what columns are there > on a "Marine" (drowned at sea, overseas) death certificate? > > Cheers, > Sally > in chilly Yorkshire this morning > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:52:40 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [TSL] Ship Iris > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Looking for the ship Iris which arrived Galveston, Texas Dec. 1856. My > gggrandfather, Michael Nienast ( Neunast/Nehnast) and several of his children > > including my ggrandmother Ottillie and her husband Karl Pietsch, were > passengers. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you, Marilyn > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's > Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:25:21 -0400 > From: "Betty" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > To: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > I don't know what your query was. But, I can mention that I tried to find > > information on-line about the "Lyon" last week and wasn't very > successful. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:05 AM > Subject: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:35 +0000 > From: Ethel Howell <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] John Forster - Stockton on Tees > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > My great great grandfather, John Forster, was born about 1805 at > Stockton on Tees, UK. I believe there is an entry for his death in > "Deaths at Sea 1837-1845" , perhaps before 1842. Can anyone please > tell > me the Index Number of this entry so that I can obtain a death > certificate? His wife's name was Martha, and their last child was born > in 1835. I believe he was possibly an Only Mate, and might have sailed > on the ship "Packet" from Stockton. > > I would be grateful for any help as I have been searching for him for a > long time. > > Ethel Howell. > -- > Ethel Howell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0500 > From: "gordon" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Christiana > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I wonder if anyone has info or picture of the ship Christiana? My GGrandparents > came over from England in 1856. The ship arrived in New York in December of > 1856. > Gordon > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:03:22 -0000 > From: "Christine Miller" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > To: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Chris, > > Thankyou for that. Since then, I have found that the Mrs ORR reported as > drowned, was in fact a Mr. David ORR, me misreading Mr for Mrs. (Should > have gone to SpecSavers)! However, this may help someone else looking for > Hestia in the future. > I appreciate your help. > > Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06 AM > Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:50:34 +1200 > From: Edna Young <[email protected]> > Subject: [TSL] Death at sea > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Can anyone tell me if and where I would be able to find info about a young man > who drowned at sea in 1845. He was Septimus Levering Cartwright born in 1826. > Septimus was the son of Thomas CARTWRIGHT AND Mary TREEN. The family lived in > Kent England. I am only guessing that perhaps he was a seaman on a ship. > > Ednda Young > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 > ******************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the THESHIPSLIST list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the THESHIPSLIST mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 290 > ********************************************

Can anyone tell me if and where I would be able to find info about a young man who drowned at sea in 1845. He was Septimus Levering Cartwright born in 1826. Septimus was the son of Thomas CARTWRIGHT AND Mary TREEN. The family lived in Kent England. I am only guessing that perhaps he was a seaman on a ship. Ednda Young

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for October 2008 is . . . o Fleets: o Commonwealth Line (Australia) o Atlantic Steam Navigation Company 1946-1971 o Zuid Hollandsche Scheepvaart Maatschappij 1917-1968 &c. Three more Fleets bringing our Fleets to over 30,000 ships. o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1830 (completed ...4 pages) Have finally finished the 1830 papers. The last page contains interesting items such as that two of the ships, the brig MALAY from Tobermory, brought 50 settlers to Quebec, but had first stopped at Cape Breton, NS and disembarked 211 passengers there. Also, the brig CROWN, from Glasgow, doesn't mention any passengers for Quebec, but had left 209 passengers at Cape Breton. As usual, lots of interesting news items, with so very many settlers some even arriving as late in the season as October 31st !! Usually the latest you see settlers arriving, is mid September. btw. I'm beginning the 1830 steamboat lists, so hopefully we'll be able to see at least some of those tens of thousands of settlers. o Passengers: o barque Duchess of Northumberland, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 29th February 1856 o ship Amazon, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 8th April 1856 o barque Violet, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 13th April 1856 o barque Aurora, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 22nd May 1856 Four more ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856, we now have nine for that year. I'm noticing ships which are much more mixed than large regional groups of passengers which we've seen in the past. There are also a lot more single men than before, especially more than in 1855. If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, so it can be added as a note to the list. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Unsubscribe --- On Thu, 10/30/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:02 AM Today's Topics: 1. Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Chris Woods) 2. "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details (Sally Haden) 3. Ship Iris ([email protected]) 4. Re: "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) (Betty) 5. John Forster - Stockton on Tees (Ethel Howell) 6. Christiana (gordon) 7. Re: Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 (Christine Miller) 8. Death at sea (Edna Young) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:06:38 -0000 From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Dear Christine, came in late on this one: HESTIA 118 tons, Steam, first registered Greenock, 31st. March 1876 so fits nicely between the REGARD and the DIANA There are no documents for this ship at the National Archives.# Various documents from the Registrar General of (British) Ships and Seamen for 'HASTIA' O.N. 72046 at the Memorial University, Newfoundland, up to and including 1884: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php For the 1885 documents, if they have survived, you should try Greenwich, ensuring you include her Official Number http://www.nmm.ac.uk/ If the ship was lost, you might try: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/SHIPWRECK.html Chris ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:02:59 +0000 From: Sally Haden <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] "Drowned at sea/overseas" death certificate details To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi folks, Have any of you got a death certificate for a person who was drowned at sea? I would like to know what differences there are between one of those and a normal England/Wales Death certificate, please. I finally have the GRO reference after following the GRO's instructions. I needed the "Overseas" section of their indexes, then within that "Marine, deaths". I just don't know if it worth sending for. So what columns are there on a "Marine" (drowned at sea, overseas) death certificate? Cheers, Sally in chilly Yorkshire this morning ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:52:40 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: [TSL] Ship Iris To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Looking for the ship Iris which arrived Galveston, Texas Dec. 1856. My gggrandfather, Michael Nienast ( Neunast/Nehnast) and several of his children including my ggrandmother Ottillie and her husband Karl Pietsch, were passengers. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you, Marilyn **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:25:21 -0400 From: "Betty" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) To: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Barbara, I don't know what your query was. But, I can mention that I tried to find information on-line about the "Lyon" last week and wasn't very successful. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:35 +0000 From: Ethel Howell <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] John Forster - Stockton on Tees To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> My great great grandfather, John Forster, was born about 1805 at Stockton on Tees, UK. I believe there is an entry for his death in "Deaths at Sea 1837-1845" , perhaps before 1842. Can anyone please tell me the Index Number of this entry so that I can obtain a death certificate? His wife's name was Martha, and their last child was born in 1835. I believe he was possibly an Only Mate, and might have sailed on the ship "Packet" from Stockton. I would be grateful for any help as I have been searching for him for a long time. Ethel Howell. -- Ethel Howell ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0500 From: "gordon" <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Christiana To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wonder if anyone has info or picture of the ship Christiana? My GGrandparents came over from England in 1856. The ship arrived in New York in December of 1856. Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:03:22 -0000 From: "Christine Miller" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 To: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Chris, Thankyou for that. Since then, I have found that the Mrs ORR reported as drowned, was in fact a Mr. David ORR, me misreading Mr for Mrs. (Should have gone to SpecSavers)! However, this may help someone else looking for Hestia in the future. I appreciate your help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:50:34 +1200 From: Edna Young <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Death at sea To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone tell me if and where I would be able to find info about a young man who drowned at sea in 1845. He was Septimus Levering Cartwright born in 1826. Septimus was the son of Thomas CARTWRIGHT AND Mary TREEN. The family lived in Kent England. I am only guessing that perhaps he was a seaman on a ship. 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Hi folks, A few people seem to be asking how to find deaths at sea and how to get a certificate. I am new to the list and this was/is my problem. All I can contribute is what I have found so far, and that is as regards the deaths at sea of English people, from a British-registered ship. On Findmypast you can do a free search, then pay for whatever you find. http://www.findmypast.com/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp When you are there, you can go to Deaths at sea 1854-1890 (assuming that covers it) for a handwritten records which the GRO made when the RGSS (Register General of Shipping and Seamen) notified them of deaths at sea, as it was obliged to do. and/or you can go to Deaths - British overseas, by date, where you can get the GRO number to order a certificate. Personally I didn't want to have to pay the minimum subscription because I subscribe for most of my material elsewhere, so I went to a local library where there were British Overseas deaths on fiche and got the registration number. The GRO told me that you need "Overseas" then within that "Marine", and of course the ship and people, name and date. Not all local resources have the "Overseas" section in their collection of BMD, so it's best to find out before going. Ancestry do not have the Overseas BMD! At least not according to my searches, my library's searches and the searches of other people. I have yet to order a certificate for the death at sea that I want, because I am a little unclear whether it is going to tell me anything more than I already know. I am going to ask the GRO themselves if they can tell me what the certificate headings are. The RGSS sent some inaccurate data to the GRO in the case of the family I am following (Christian names and ages are very loose), so I would like to see if this was corrected in the certificates, or if the certificates just blindly copied what the RGSS sent them, without following up the information to establish who these people were (which seems a little bizarre for an official "death certificate"?). As you may already know, you can get a death certificate in different ways. The GRO will send you one through an internet or phone order. They charge according to whether you have the required GRO reference numbers or not, and whether you want it in the post or online. The Overseas>Marine Deaths index appears to provide only one GRO reference number. For a death in England and Wales you get a registration district number and a page number. In the case I have followed up on Overseas>Marine, there is only a page number. I guess they don't have/need a registration district number for this because it's one volume, "Marine". If, before all this, you have problems with the date or other details, then you can first try The Times archive, for which you will need to pay a minimum subscription to search. But if you find the event there, you may have lots of additional interesting information. My apologies if I have any of this wrong! When I hear back from the GRO, I will post to the list again. Regards Sally in Yorkshire

Hello Chris, Thankyou for that. Since then, I have found that the Mrs ORR reported as drowned, was in fact a Mr. David ORR, me misreading Mr for Mrs. (Should have gone to SpecSavers)! However, this may help someone else looking for Hestia in the future. I appreciate your help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woods" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: [TSL] Ship - HESTIA. Drowning 1885

My great great grandfather, John Forster, was born about 1805 at Stockton on Tees, UK. I believe there is an entry for his death in "Deaths at Sea 1837-1845" , perhaps before 1842. Can anyone please tell me the Index Number of this entry so that I can obtain a death certificate? His wife's name was Martha, and their last child was born in 1835. I believe he was possibly an Only Mate, and might have sailed on the ship "Packet" from Stockton. I would be grateful for any help as I have been searching for him for a long time. Ethel Howell. -- Ethel Howell

I wonder if anyone has info or picture of the ship Christiana? My GGrandparents came over from England in 1856. The ship arrived in New York in December of 1856. Gordon

Hi folks, Have any of you got a death certificate for a person who was drowned at sea? I would like to know what differences there are between one of those and a normal England/Wales Death certificate, please. I finally have the GRO reference after following the GRO's instructions. I needed the "Overseas" section of their indexes, then within that "Marine, deaths". I just don't know if it worth sending for. So what columns are there on a "Marine" (drowned at sea, overseas) death certificate? Cheers, Sally in chilly Yorkshire this morning

Looking for the ship Iris which arrived Galveston, Texas Dec. 1856. My gggrandfather, Michael Nienast ( Neunast/Nehnast) and several of his children including my ggrandmother Ottillie and her husband Karl Pietsch, were passengers. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you, Marilyn **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Hi Barbara, I don't know what your query was. But, I can mention that I tried to find information on-line about the "Lyon" last week and wasn't very successful. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Outterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: [TSL] "Lyon" UK to Boston 1631 (fall) > >

Dear Christine, came in late on this one: HESTIA 118 tons, Steam, first registered Greenock, 31st. March 1876 so fits nicely between the REGARD and the DIANA There are no documents for this ship at the National Archives.# Various documents from the Registrar General of (British) Ships and Seamen for 'HASTIA' O.N. 72046 at the Memorial University, Newfoundland, up to and including 1884: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php For the 1885 documents, if they have survived, you should try Greenwich, ensuring you include her Official Number http://www.nmm.ac.uk/ If the ship was lost, you might try: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/SHIPWRECK.html Chris