Jennifer, Have you checked # Ian Nicholson. Log of Logs - a catalogue of logs, journals, shipboard diaries, letters and all forms of voyage narratives, 1788-1988 for Australia and New Zealand and surrounding oceans, Aranda, ACT, Roebuck, 1990. # Ian Nicholson. Log of Logs Volume 2 - a catalogue of logs, journals, shipboard diaries, letters and all forms of voyage narratives, 1788-1988 for Australia and New Zealand and surrounding oceans, QLD, I. Nicholson, 1993. # Ian Nicholson. Log of Logs Volume 3- a catalogue of logs, journals, shipboard diaries, letters and all forms of voyage narratives, 1788-1998 for Australia and New Zealand and surrounding oceans, QLD, I. Nicholson, 1998. Regards Lyn in Brisbane Oz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sue Swiggum Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 12:19 AM To: Jennifer Bell; [email protected] Subject: Re: [TSL] ALIQUIS - CORK > SYDNEY 1837/8 Hi Jennifer, I see that Robert has already pointed you to the Medical Pioneers website, and mentioned that TheShipsList page you cite refers to the 1838-1839 voyage of the ALIQUIS. I know TheShipsList website is big, but if you check the "Arrivals" page, you will see the Australia section (I've added the australia anchor in this URL to make it easier) http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/index.htm#australia In the list you'll see the page you cite, with the same URL Emigant Ships of 1837-39 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm You can use "Find on this page" in your browser and search on either Bowler or Aliquis to find the two entries. The first refers to the December 7th 1838 sailing of ALIQUIS with 296 persons. The second entry indicates that the selection of the emigrants for the 1838 sailing was made by Dr. Hall, rather than Dr. Bowler. I hope this helps, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 07:09 PM 2008-11-06 +1100, Jennifer Bell wrote: >/Hello, I googled the name of the Surgeon Superintendent (Dr.Bowler, >R.N. Surgeon Aliquis) and it came up with: / > >Ships to Australia 1837-1839 ><http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm> >Ships for which Selections were made by their own *Surgeons* >Superintendent. *.....* > >Garrow, H. Goldney, *R.N.*, *Dr* Hall, no account. *Aliquis*, J.W. >*Bowler*, *R.N.* *...* > >www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm - 113k - Similar pages ><http://www.google.com/search?q=related:www.theshipslist.com%2Fships%2F >australia%2Fau1838.htm> > >/but after a seemingly exhaustive search of your site I could not >locate the information this refers to. I have an ancestor who came out >on the Aliquis as an assisted immigrant and I am trying to find out >more about both the ancestor, the voyage and the ship. I do have some >information I extracted from issues of the Sydney Gazette in early 1839 >which refers to an incident (collision) in the harbour and also the >ship's subsequent fate on its next voyage if anyone is interested. The >ship set sail from Cork 7th December, 1837 and arrived in Sydney on 16th March, 1838. Any >guidance appreciated. Jennifer/ ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Bell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [TSL] JOHN II SHEERNESS > SYDNEY 1836/1837 > Seeking information on this ship which brought my convict ancestor > to > Australia. Have very basic information about the particular voyage > (tonnage, master etc) but interested to find out more about the > voyage > in particular and the ship generally. Convicts were > probably/possibly > transferred to this ship from the hulks at Sheerness. A nudge in > the > right direction would be very gratefully received. The ship is > referred > to as the JOHN 4 in several places but seems to be the same ship. Hi Jennifer Alas there are quite a few ships with the same name . With convict transports there was the John 1 ( 1) meaning its first voyage in 1827 . Then comes John 1 (2) ,2nd voyage of same ship . Pretty sure John 4 would be a different ship Maybe some info in http://www.convictcentral.com/ The National Library has started digitising old newspapers. They have the Sydney Gazette 1803- 1844 on line http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Aus-convicts would probably be a better mailing list for convict ship info Have you checked http://users,bigpond.net.au/convicts ? Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

Seeking information on this ship which brought my convict ancestor to Australia. Have very basic information about the particular voyage (tonnage, master etc) but interested to find out more about the voyage in particular and the ship generally. Convicts were probably/possibly transferred to this ship from the hulks at Sheerness. A nudge in the right direction would be very gratefully received. The ship is referred to as the JOHN 4 in several places but seems to be the same ship. Thank you, Jennifer

/Hello, I googled the name of the Surgeon Superintendent (Dr.Bowler, R.N. Surgeon Aliquis) and it came up with: / Ships to Australia 1837-1839 <http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm> Ships for which Selections were made by their own *Surgeons* Superintendent. *.....* Garrow, H. Goldney, *R.N.*, *Dr* Hall, no account. *Aliquis*, J.W. *Bowler*, *R.N.* *...* www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm - 113k - Similar pages <http://www.google.com/search?q=related:www.theshipslist.com%2Fships%2Faustralia%2Fau1838.htm> /but after a seemingly exhaustive search of your site I could not locate the information this refers to. I have an ancestor who came out on the Aliquis as an assisted immigrant and I am trying to find out more about both the ancestor, the voyage and the ship. I do have some information I extracted from issues of the Sydney Gazette in early 1839 which refers to an incident (collision) in the harbour and also the ship's subsequent fate on its next voyage if anyone is interested. The ship set sail from Cork 7th December, 1837 and arrived in Sydney on 16th March, 1838. Any guidance appreciated. Jennifer/

Jennifer I checked the London Times and found the following: Wed, Sep 21, 1836 in the ship news: CLEARED OUTWARDS IN BALLAST. The John, for Sydney Tue, Sep 12, 1837 ship news: ENTERED INWARDS AT THE CUSTOM-HOUSE, Sept. 11. ...the John, from Sydney Regards.. Marj At 03:54 AM 11/6/2008, Jennifer Bell wrote: >Seeking information on this ship which brought my convict ancestor to >Australia. Have very basic information about the particular voyage >(tonnage, master etc) but interested to find out more about the voyage >in particular and the ship generally. Convicts were probably/possibly >transferred to this ship from the hulks at Sheerness. A nudge in the >right direction would be very gratefully received. The ship is referred >to as the JOHN 4 in several places but seems to be the same ship. Thank >you, Jennifer > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 11/6/2008 3:13:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Crew's List SS George Washington ([email protected]) landed in New York on the SS George Washington on the 2 Sept 1913. In looking, by the ship's name, on the Ellis Island site, I went through the entire passenger list and was unable to find my person. Family lore stated that he may have worked his way to America. Can anyone tell me where I could find the list of the crew for this ship??? A few thoughts. First I agree with the response already posted that I always am a little skeptical on the dates provided by people on their arrivals. A lot of them were not accurate. Second might be to get a bit imaginative when you look for the name on the list. Remember spelling was not very accurate -- or as accurate as we think of it today. Also the person might have been using an "old county" name or nickname on the passenger list and "Americanized" the name years later in the USA. As for the crew lists I thought a lot of them were scanned in on the Ellis Island site as part of the passenger lists. I have not looked at 1913 specifically but I have seen other years where the crew list is part of the one on line. By reading the header on the scanned pages you can see citizens versus non-citizens versus crew. Generally I thought crew was towards the end of the list. Otherwise you might check with the National Archives which has the original microfilms and ask them if crew lists exist. The George Washington in 1913 was run by a German firm called North German Lloyd out of Bremen. The firm still exists but I do not believe they have any records. Their is an immigration museum in Bremen but I do not think they have lists either. Hope that helps. Allan Jordan **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

Hi Jennifer, I see that Robert has already pointed you to the Medical Pioneers website, and mentioned that TheShipsList page you cite refers to the 1838-1839 voyage of the ALIQUIS. I know TheShipsList website is big, but if you check the "Arrivals" page, you will see the Australia section (I've added the australia anchor in this URL to make it easier) http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/index.htm#australia In the list you'll see the page you cite, with the same URL Emigant Ships of 1837-39 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm You can use "Find on this page" in your browser and search on either Bowler or Aliquis to find the two entries. The first refers to the December 7th 1838 sailing of ALIQUIS with 296 persons. The second entry indicates that the selection of the emigrants for the 1838 sailing was made by Dr. Hall, rather than Dr. Bowler. I hope this helps, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 07:09 PM 2008-11-06 +1100, Jennifer Bell wrote: >/Hello, I googled the name of the Surgeon Superintendent (Dr.Bowler, >R.N. Surgeon Aliquis) and it came up with: / > >Ships to Australia 1837-1839 ><http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm> >Ships for which Selections were made by their own *Surgeons* >Superintendent. *.....* > >Garrow, H. Goldney, *R.N.*, *Dr* Hall, no account. *Aliquis*, J.W. >*Bowler*, *R.N.* *...* > >www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm - 113k - Similar pages ><http://www.google.com/search?q=related:www.theshipslist.com%2Fships%2Faustralia%2Fau1838.htm> > >/but after a seemingly exhaustive search of your site I could not locate >the information this refers to. I have an ancestor who came out on the >Aliquis as an assisted immigrant and I am trying to find out more about >both the ancestor, the voyage and the ship. I do have some information >I extracted from issues of the Sydney Gazette in early 1839 which refers >to an incident (collision) in the harbour and also the ship's subsequent >fate on its next voyage if anyone is interested. The ship set sail from >Cork 7th December, 1837 and arrived in Sydney on 16th March, 1838. Any >guidance appreciated. Jennifer/

Jennifer greetings Jennifer, the voyage you are making ref. to was in 1837 the voyage on the  Ship list  make ref. to the 1838 voyage to Adelaide if you go to http://www.medicalpioneers.com/ and type  Bowler you find your answer there Regards Robert, Adelaide --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Jennifer Bell <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jennifer Bell <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] ALIQUIS - CORK > SYDNEY 1837/8 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 6:39 PM /Hello, I googled the name of the Surgeon Superintendent (Dr.Bowler, R.N. Surgeon Aliquis) and it came up with: / Ships to Australia 1837-1839 <http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm> Ships for which Selections were made by their own *Surgeons* Superintendent. *.....* Garrow, H. Goldney, *R.N.*, *Dr* Hall, no account. *Aliquis*, J.W. *Bowler*, *R.N.* *...* www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/au1838.htm - 113k - Similar pages <http://www.google.com/search?q=related:www.theshipslist.com%2Fships%2Faustralia%2Fau1838.htm> /but after a seemingly exhaustive search of your site I could not locate the information this refers to. I have an ancestor who came out on the Aliquis as an assisted immigrant and I am trying to find out more about both the ancestor, the voyage and the ship. I do have some information I extracted from issues of the Sydney Gazette in early 1839 which refers to an incident (collision) in the harbour and also the ship's subsequent fate on its next voyage if anyone is interested. The ship set sail from Cork 7th December, 1837 and arrived in Sydney on 16th March, 1838. Any guidance appreciated. Jennifer/ ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patti, There are a number of very talented folks on this list who are incredibly imaginative when it comes to locating people. I know that the first thing that any of them would ask you is, "What is your ancestor's name and do you have a date of birth?" They will ask these things because the seemingly infallible records, including Naturalization Petitions, sometimes contain erroneous information. My Grandfather, for example, gave different dates of birth on at least three documents that I have found, and two different dates for the day he arrived here. Best of luck! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: [TSL] Crew's List SS George Washington >I am new to your list and was hoping someone might beable to help me. > From a Natualization Petition I was told that an ancestor left Bremen > and > landed in New York on the SS George Washington on the 2 Sept 1913. In > looking, by the ship's name, on the Ellis Island site, I went through the > entire > passenger list and was unable to find my person. Family lore stated that > he > may have worked his way to America. Can anyone tell me where I could > find the > list of the crew for this ship??? > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Patti > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to your list and was hoping someone might beable to help me. From a Natualization Petition I was told that an ancestor left Bremen and landed in New York on the SS George Washington on the 2 Sept 1913. In looking, by the ship's name, on the Ellis Island site, I went through the entire passenger list and was unable to find my person. Family lore stated that he may have worked his way to America. Can anyone tell me where I could find the list of the crew for this ship??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Patti **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

Sue, Robert and Marj thankyou for your replies I looked at the pictures and they were great thankyou I think I may have to bus it to the big smoke and take a look in the Mortlock Library for this ships passenger list. Thankyou again? Do you know if the Maritime Museum in the Port has this passenger list transcribed? Thankyou again Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <[email protected]> To: "Jill Morley" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] Oaklands 1878 Hi Jill, I can't help with a passenger list (yet) for the 1878 voyage, but on TheShipsList we have a painting and a photograph of the ship as well as the list for the 1877 voyage from Plymouth to Adelaide, which was submitted by a website visitor. http://www.theshipslist.com/pictures/oaklands.htm I checked my records and find that the barque Oaklands did also sail from Plymouth to Adelaide in 1878 arriving 22nd September. Robert & I are only completing 1856 lists, so it will take a while to get to 1878. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:44 AM 2008-11-03 +1030, Jill Morley wrote: >I would like to know if anyone can help me with this ship >Oaklands voyage around 1878 to Australia >I am looking for Richard KEAST who may have been a passenger? >Thankyou in anticipation >Jill

I would like to know if anyone can help me with this ship Oaklands voyage around 1878 to Australia I am looking for Richard KEAST who may have been a passenger? Thankyou in anticipation Jill

Christine, Details and history at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsT-U.html Photos at http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20T/slides/Themistocles-01.html and http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/themist.htm regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "chrissy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [TSL] THEMISTOCLES 1911 > > > Listers this ship arrived into Melborne 1911 > it was later used as a troop carrier in the 1st > World War. I am trying toi find a picture > that I am able to down load or cut and paste > can anyone advise me....I have found plenty of pics > but none of use > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11030 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 16:10

Listers this ship arrived into Melborne 1911 it was later used as a troop carrier in the 1st World War. I am trying toi find a picture that I am able to down load or cut and paste can anyone advise me....I have found plenty of pics but none of use Christene E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11030 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Jill, I can't help with a passenger list (yet) for the 1878 voyage, but on TheShipsList we have a painting and a photograph of the ship as well as the list for the 1877 voyage from Plymouth to Adelaide, which was submitted by a website visitor. http://www.theshipslist.com/pictures/oaklands.htm I checked my records and find that the barque Oaklands did also sail from Plymouth to Adelaide in 1878 arriving 22nd September. Robert & I are only completing 1856 lists, so it will take a while to get to 1878. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:44 AM 2008-11-03 +1030, Jill Morley wrote: >I would like to know if anyone can help me with this ship >Oaklands voyage around 1878 to Australia >I am looking for Richard KEAST who may have been a passenger? >Thankyou in anticipation >Jill

Jill According to the London Times of Feb 16, 1877 the Oaklands arrived in London from Adelaide. March 3, 1877 there is an ad for her: AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND, CAPE, &c.-- HOULDER, BROTHERS, and Co.'s REGULAR LINE of CLIPPER PACKETS. Ship Port Loading Date Rossdhu Melbourne S.W. India Dock March 15 Clipper Ship Melbourne S.W. India Dock March 30 Benlomond Melbourne S.W. India Dock To follow Commonwealth Sydney S.W. India Dock March 11 Silver Eagle Sydney S.W. India Dock March 25 Astracan Adelaide London Dock March 22 Oaklands Adelaide S.W. India Dock To follow. Apply to Houlder, Brothers, and Co., 146, Leadenhall-street, Lon- don, or 4, Oriol-chambers, Water-street, Liverpool. Times of April 5, finally sets a sailing date of April 25, 1877 for her. On April 9, the date is changed to April 30. On May 3, the date has been changed to May 4. On May 10, 1877 the shipping news reports her departure: DEAL, May 9.--Oaklands, for Adelaide On May 27, 1878 an ad reports her sailing date to Adelaide as June 20. That is the last I see of her. Regards.. Marj At 06:14 PM 11/2/2008, Jill Morley wrote: >I would like to know if anyone can help me with this ship >Oaklands voyage around 1878 to Australia >I am looking for Richard KEAST who may have been a passenger? >Thankyou in anticipation >Jill >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 02/11/2008 21:12:05 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Listers this ship arrived into Melborne 1911 it was later used as a troop carrier in the 1st World War. I am trying toi find a picture that I am able to down load or cut and paste can anyone advise me....I have found plenty of pics but none of use Christene Hi Christene, Have you seen this forum? _http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/1017.html_ (http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/1017.html) If you scroll down you will see someone has posted a link to two photographs of the themistocles _http://www.geocities.com/grecque/themistocles.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/grecque/themistocles.html) If you right click the picture you can save it as a JPEG which I think you can then print off. There is also lots of information on there and funnily emough there is someone looking for a Clara Hartley which might mean something to you. Kind regards Diana

My Ggrandfather Joseph Gotzmann arrived in the United States on, Apr 20 1853; on the Edwina,Manifest No. 00007272 from Havre with his family . I would like a copy of the Manifest and a picture of the ship if possible. Captain was John G. Broughton. Jean Bunch

Captain John G. Broughton, Manifest 00007272.The Edwina Arrived in USA 20/4/1853. Could you show me a copy of Manifest and any information of the Ship and a picture if possible. My ggrandfather Joseph J. Gatzman arrived in America on this ship.

Hi Jim, Further to Ron's post, Blue Star Line's KINGSWOOD was a small meat carrier, used on the local River Plate trade and would have been unlikely to have made a round the world voyage. This was probably Constantine's tramp steamer KINGSWOOD. Built 1914 by J. Readhead & Co, South Shields as the ONWEN for W & C. T. Jones, Cardiff, she was sold to Woolston SS Co, Cardiff in 1918 and in 1920 was sold to Rumney SS Co, Cardiff and renamed RUMNEY. 1924 purchased by J. Constantine SS Line and renamed KINGSWOOD. 1928 sold to Finland renamed HOGLAND. 1942 Torpedoed and sunk by French submarine RUBIS on voyage Norway to a German Baltic port with iron ore. [The Constantine Group by H. S. Appleyard] regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Mapplebeck" <[email protected]> To: "Jim Murphy" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] S.S. Kingswood > > Jim, > > KINGSWOOD as in your header and not KINSWOOD as in body of message? > > Miramar ship index shows two possibles for KINGSWOOD circa 1924 at: > http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/165440 > This one seems to have been with Constantines of Middlesbrough from 1924 > to 1928. > The other: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/155173 > This looks to have been with Blue Star from 1922-1931. > > The KINGSWOOD sunk 1939 was built 1929 for Constantine, replacing their > ship mentioned above. > > If you have information to clarify which one of these is your interest > it may help some of us to look for possible photo sources. > > Ron Mapplebeck > Middlesbrough (UK) > ***** > Jim Murphy wrote: >> /Hi, >> >> I would appreciate any info or a photo of the S.S. Kinswood (circa 1924) >> as a relative of mine kept a diary of a round the world trip on the >> vessel. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Jim Murphy >> / >> >> ------------------------------- >> visit TheShipsList Website >> http://www.theshipslist.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 16:10