On 11/11/08 18:16, "Ron Mapplebeck" <[email protected]> wrote: > > If your man HIRD was still with the YANARIVA in 1897 (Capt. Weston was!) Thanks I read those reports with interest.. Our man left the ship at Barry on 11 May and went to Birkenhead to get married on the 18th. How on earth he met his bride I do not know as we have not found him on ships to Liverpool. Once married he went to work for Elder Dempster on the routes to West Africa. Promoted to Captain by January 24th 1901(Niger) he is last listed in the Captain's Register on the Onitsha on 15 June 1912. He travels as a passenger from Liverpool to Accra in January 1915 and dies "at Addah Gold Coast on 21st January 1916" according to a death notice in the newspaper back in Arbroath. We have no other evidence of his death. Regards Robin

Robin, If your man HIRD was still with the YANARIVA in 1897 (Capt. Weston was!) the following report of rescuing survivors from the VILLE DE ST. NAZAIRE may be of further interest. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950DEED7153CE433A2575AC2A9659C94669ED7CF (click on link to view full report). Additional report: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C06E0D61F31E132A25752C2A9659C94669ED7CF So also may be: http://www.frenchlines.com/ship_en_490.php Ron ***** Robin's wool wrote: > On 11/11/08 14:24, "Ted Finch" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> YANARIVA was owned by Caw, Prentice, Clapperton & Co, > > > Thanks for the details .. Had found entries for Yanariva on the Miramar site > and Uboats. > > Now have a newspaper cutting from The Glasgow Herald of Friday August 17th > 1894 which details her launch from the yard of Messrs Barclay Curle and Co > (Limited) on the 16th. She was named by "Mrs Charles Clapperton" > > > For the record ... > > Her maiden voyage was to load in Cardiff (abt 29 Sept 1894) then on to New > York (21 Oct 1894). Left New York for Chile and called at Talcahouna (24 > Dec 1894) and Inquequi (Feb 18th 1895) returning via Monte Video (13 Mar > 1895) and St Vincent to deliver in Dunkirk before returning to Barry (11 May > 1895). Leaves 22 May 1895 for Nagaski with a load of Coal. > > Regards > > Robin > > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Robin, Just to amplify the info you already have from Ted. There is also an entry for the YANARIVA at: http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=4161 From the details you have she travelled light (empty - other than ballast) on her delivery voyage in September 1894 from the Clyde, upon completion by her builders, to Cardiff where she would load for her maiden voyage. A 1895 reprint register I have confirms her master was A.W. Weston. She was a steam ship. 2154 (2155 in register) was indeed her net tonnage. Ron Mapplebeck (UK) ***** Robin's wool wrote: > On 11/11/08 14:24, "Ted Finch" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> YANARIVA was owned by Caw, Prentice, Clapperton & Co, > > > Thanks for the details .. Had found entries for Yanariva on the > Miramar site and Uboats. > > Now have a newspaper cutting from The Glasgow Herald of Friday August > 17th 1894 which details her launch from the yard of Messrs Barclay > Curle and Co (Limited) on the 16th. She was named by "Mrs Charles > Clapperton" > > > For the record ... > > Her maiden voyage was to load in Cardiff (abt 29 Sept 1894) then on > to New York (21 Oct 1894). Left New York for Chile and called at > Talcahouna (24 Dec 1894) and Inquequi (Feb 18th 1895) returning via > Monte Video (13 Mar 1895) and St Vincent to deliver in Dunkirk before > returning to Barry (11 May 1895). Leaves 22 May 1895 for Nagaski with > a load of Coal. > > Regards > > Robin > > > > > ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 11/11/08 14:24, "Ted Finch" <[email protected]> wrote: > YANARIVA was owned by Caw, Prentice, Clapperton & Co, Thanks for the details .. Had found entries for Yanariva on the Miramar site and Uboats. Now have a newspaper cutting from The Glasgow Herald of Friday August 17th 1894 which details her launch from the yard of Messrs Barclay Curle and Co (Limited) on the 16th. She was named by "Mrs Charles Clapperton" For the record ... Her maiden voyage was to load in Cardiff (abt 29 Sept 1894) then on to New York (21 Oct 1894). Left New York for Chile and called at Talcahouna (24 Dec 1894) and Inquequi (Feb 18th 1895) returning via Monte Video (13 Mar 1895) and St Vincent to deliver in Dunkirk before returning to Barry (11 May 1895). Leaves 22 May 1895 for Nagaski with a load of Coal. Regards Robin

Hi Robin, The 's' probably stands for steamship (as opposed to sail). 2,154 would have been the net tonnage, as opposed to her gross tonnage which was 3,391. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnage for definitions. The term light means light ship which signifies that she sailed without cargo. Weston was the captain. For interest, the YANARIVA was owned by Caw, Prentice, Clapperton & Co, Glasgow until 1901 when the company became Prentice, Service & Henderson, Glasgow. In 1911 she was renamed CROWN OF LEON On 7th May 1917 she was torpedoed by U.63 in the Gulf of Genoa but was beached near Albegna. On 16th May she was again torpedoed by U.32 but was later refloated, repaired and sold. In 1918 she was renamed LUCANIA for Italian owners, 1923 sold to Germany renamed DESI, 1929 renamed EMSHORN, 1933 scrapped. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin's wool" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: [TSL] Help please...Abbreviations in shipping reports 1890's > > Some beginners questions. > I am tracing the maiden voyage of the Yanariva ( launched in Glasgow on > Thursday 16 August 1894) > According to the report in the Western Mail of Tuesday 2nd October 1894 > "Cardiff Arrivals Roath Dock Sept. 29 - Yanariva, s, 2154, Greenock, > light." > > > .. What is the meaning of the 's' which appears here and after many (but > not all) ship's names in Shipping intelligence reports in 1890's UK > Newspapers. > > On Launch she is rated at 'about 3400' tons ... Is the above entry showing > the load capacity? Other ships in this particular entry have numbers > ranging > from "10" to " 1392" > > And what does "light" mean? Several other ships have same entry while some > are load specific eg Timber and deals, iron ore, burnt ore and lime etc > > > Her next port is New York where the entry in the Glasgow Herald of Tuesday > October 23 1894 states > "Yanariva (s), Weston, from Cardiff at New York Oct. 21" > > > Final Q was Weston the Captain? > Our man Findlay Fraser HIRD was Mate on this voyage as recorded in his > entry > in Lloyds Captains Register. > > TIA > > Regards > > Robin > > Have detail dates for the voyage to Iquique and back to Dunkirk if anyone > is > interested. > > > > -- > Robin and Margaret McEwen-King > Lanark Scotland > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 09/11/2008 14:14

Some beginners questions. I am tracing the maiden voyage of the Yanariva ( launched in Glasgow on Thursday 16 August 1894) According to the report in the Western Mail of Tuesday 2nd October 1894 "Cardiff Arrivals Roath Dock Sept. 29 - Yanariva, s, 2154, Greenock, light." .. What is the meaning of the 's' which appears here and after many (but not all) ship's names in Shipping intelligence reports in 1890's UK Newspapers. On Launch she is rated at 'about 3400' tons ... Is the above entry showing the load capacity? Other ships in this particular entry have numbers ranging from "10" to " 1392" And what does "light" mean? Several other ships have same entry while some are load specific eg Timber and deals, iron ore, burnt ore and lime etc Her next port is New York where the entry in the Glasgow Herald of Tuesday October 23 1894 states "Yanariva (s), Weston, from Cardiff at New York Oct. 21" Final Q was Weston the Captain? Our man Findlay Fraser HIRD was Mate on this voyage as recorded in his entry in Lloyds Captains Register. TIA Regards Robin Have detail dates for the voyage to Iquique and back to Dunkirk if anyone is interested. -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

The link is the passenger list showing Presland family, ideally Im after copies of the actual lists as ancestry only has a transcribed database. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&f3=&f4=PRESLAND&=&rg_fa3 1__date=&rs_fa31__date=0&f23=&f28=&f26=&f25=&rg_f24__date=&rs_f24__date=0&f2 7=TEMPLAR&gskw=&prox=1&db=nswassisted&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=IMAGE&gst=&so= 3 The following http://www.speculumgregis.com/pages40-49ann.asp page 46 gives a little detail of the ships arrival. Thanks Darrell -----Original Message----- From: Ainslie Pyne [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 November 2008 20:41 To: DARRELL Subject: Re: [TSL] Templar ship 1844 carrying migrants to South Australia Hi again Darrell, <http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm> arriving in /South Australia/, to /list/ the /passengers/ on board that /ship/ *...* /1844/: The first census, on the 26 February /1844/, recorded 17366 people. *... * <http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&client=firefox-a&channel =s&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=ETd&q=related:www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/pas sengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm> Another link www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/Bound for South Australia.htm - 7k - Hope this might provide some assistance - I haven't time right now to follow up on the leads but let me know if you want any 'leg work' done by a visit to the library for you. Cheers Ainslie Pyne South Australia.

Looking for as much info as possible about this ship, have found my ancestral in laws on the assisted passengers list and the Templar was the ship they sailed on. Thanks Darrell U.K

Hi Bev, welcome aboard .. your query is most appropriate. Just a hint for future postings. Try to be a little more specific in the Subject line, as I just now had a moment to open yours and I see I can answer it ! :-} Reel # Ship Name Departure Information C-4539 PICKHUBEN Hamburg, Germany 1893-09-09 / Antwerp, Belgium 1893-09-13 Arrival Information Quebec, Que. 1893-09-25 / Montreal, Que. Shipping Line Remarks (HAMB) Hamburg-America (formerly) (HAN-DR) Dampfschiffs-Rhederei Hansa (not) Deutsche Dampfschifffahrts-Gesellschaft "Hansa" List Number: 99; Captain H. Spliedt You are in luck as those lists have been scanned and are online at the Library and Archives, Canada, but they are NOT indexed, so you have to read the list carefully http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html HINT: click on the image to enlarge, then hit the back button on your browser to be able to advance forward to the next page or backward to the previous page Ancestry has indexed these lists, so if you don't have a subscription, you could try a free trial. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 02:30 PM 2008-11-10 -0500, Bev Aylor wrote: >Hello, I am new to the ships list although I have used and been a help to >others on other lists in the past. > >I'm not sure that this request is appropriate to this list. > >I am looking for the manifest for the following: > >Ship: Pinkhuben >Departure: Hamburg >Date 25 September 1893 >Arrived: Montreal > >Passengers: >Franz, Alois and Alzbetta/Alabetta/Alzbett > >Another brother, Anton, came probably in 1892 but I have not found family >with information or any documentation on this. > >Is there a site I can search the 1892/1893 manifests for help? I have no >idea how to go about this. I would like to have a copy of the entire >manifest, if possible. > >Thanks for any help/suggestions your list can provide. > >Bev

Darrell, The May 1844 departure mentioned in the Ad Marj found agrees with your second link below, however it sailed to Sydney without mention of Adelaide. Not unheard of that the ship might have stopped at Adelaide en route, only maybe no "assisted" passengers disembarked there. There was an 1845 London-Adelaide trip, arriving there 24th November 1845. Seeing he went to work in the Hunter Valley shortly after arrival, then a Sydney arrival makes sense. The Sydney Shipping Gazette agrees with what Marj found 1844 August 27th ._ TEMPLAR, ship, 565 tons, Captain Brown, from London the 2nd and Cork the 16th May, with 242 emigrants. Passengers:_ Deputy Commissary General Ramsay, Mrs. Ramsay, and three Miss Ramsays and servant, Mr. Fletcher, Mr. E.G. Williams, Mr. Davidson, surgeon, and Mr. Fripp. Volume 1, Number 24 (31 August, 1844) Page 161-164 http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html There is a terrific write-up about the ship and the passengers on page 163, so scroll past the arrival notice on page 162 Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:08 PM 2008-11-10 +0000, DARRELL wrote: >The link is the passenger list showing Presland family, ideally Im after >copies of the actual lists as ancestry only has a transcribed database. >http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&f3=&f4=PRESLAND&=&rg_fa3 >1__date=&rs_fa31__date=0&f23=&f28=&f26=&f25=&rg_f24__date=&rs_f24__date=0&f2 >7=TEMPLAR&gskw=&prox=1&db=nswassisted&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=IMAGE&gst=&so= >3 > >The following http://www.speculumgregis.com/pages40-49ann.asp page 46 gives >a little detail of the ships arrival. > >Thanks > >Darrell

There may be more than one ship by this name. The London Times ship news reported on Feb 12, 1844: Arivals in Table-bay, Cape of Good Hope.--The Templar, Dec 10, from Calcutta, for London. On Feb 17, 1844: [at Liverpoor] Arrived.--Templar from Smyrna On March 22, 1844: GRAVESEND,... CUSTOM-HOUSE, March 21. Vessels Entered Outwards. the Templar, for Sydney April 2, 1844 is an ad: REGULAR PACKETS for AUSTRALIA.-- To sail from Deptford on the following days, with strict punc- tuality:--For SYDNEY, the TEMPLAR, 600 tons, Captain BROWN, on 1st of May. For PORT PHILLIP, the LORD WILLIAM BENTINCK, Captain SAINTHILL, 600 tons, on the 16th of April, and the ABBERTON, 600 tons, Captain CAMPBELL, on the 16th of May. Lying at the Third Perth, North Quay, London Docks. These ships will be the last of the season. They are all first-class, and have full poops, with splendid accommodations for cabin passengers, for whom a liberal dietary with live stock is provided, at the reduced charge of £45 each, exclusive of wines, spirits, and beer. The 'tween decks are lofty, and fitted with the utmost attention to the comforts of steerage passengers. The captains and officers are experienced in the trade, and an able surgeon is appointed to each ship. Applications for further particulars to be made to Messrs. John Gore and Co., Old Jewry-chambers; Robert Brooks, Esq., St. Peter's-chambers; or to Carter and Bonns, 11 Leadenhall-street. On May 2, 1844: CLEARED-OUTWARDS WITH CARGO. the Templar, for Sydney May 6, 1844: DEAL, May 3.--N.E. by N., fresh. Sailed, the Templar, for Sydney May 13, 1844: Liverpool. May 11, The Templar, from London for Sydney, New South Wales, has arrived at the Cove. That is the last time I see her until 1845. Regards.. Marj At 02:32 PM 11/10/2008, DARRELL wrote: >Looking for as much info as possible about this ship, have found my >ancestral in laws on the assisted passengers list and the Templar was the >ship they sailed on. > > > >Thanks > > > >Darrell > > > >U.K > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with >the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dixon" <[email protected]> To: "Ron Mapplebeck" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship "Sea Ray" WW2 > Many thanks Ron - your link led me to the information I was looking for - > on the US Maritime Commission site : > http://drawings.us-maritime-commission.de/drawing/drawings_c3_specs_fk.htm > The key was the Ship Design Spec. C3 - S - A2 > > Regards, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Mapplebeck" <[email protected]> > To: "David Dixon" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [TSL] Ship "Sea Ray" WW2 > > >> Dave, >> >> Outline details at: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/136811 >> Mentioned in several listings of WW2 troopships but have not found any >> detailed write-up nor photo. >> >> Ron Mapplebeck (UK) >> ***** >> David Dixon wrote: >>> I am looking for information about a WW2 ship the "Sea Ray" that >>> transported Australian troops in the SWPA during WW2. >>> There seemed to have been a series of "Sea" type ships at the time. Any >>> help would be appreciated. >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> ------------------------------- >>> visit TheShipsList Website >>> http://www.theshipslist.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM >

Hello, I am new to the ships list although I have used and been a help to others on other lists in the past. I'm not sure that this request is appropriate to this list. I am looking for the manifest for the following: Ship: Pinkhuben Departure: Hamburg Date 25 September 1893 Arrived: Montreal Passengers: Franz, Alois and Alzbetta/Alabetta/Alzbett Another brother, Anton, came probably in 1892 but I have not found family with information or any documentation on this. Is there a site I can search the 1892/1893 manifests for help? I have no idea how to go about this. I would like to have a copy of the entire manifest, if possible. Thanks for any help/suggestions your list can provide. Bev

The ship Nolan taken 7/22/32 P.Aixle skrimshaw Whale tooth with dates 1832 to 1836 Taken Artic Ocean Please send info.Theodore Motriuk. Vaule possibly

I am looking for information about a WW2 ship the "Sea Ray" that transported Australian troops in the SWPA during WW2. There seemed to have been a series of "Sea" type ships at the time. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Dave

Dave, Outline details at: http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/ship/show/136811 Mentioned in several listings of WW2 troopships but have not found any detailed write-up nor photo. Ron Mapplebeck (UK) ***** David Dixon wrote: > I am looking for information about a WW2 ship the "Sea Ray" that transported Australian troops in the SWPA during WW2. > There seemed to have been a series of "Sea" type ships at the time. Any help would be appreciated. > Regards, > Dave > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My what an interesting thread. You don't hear much about any thefts other than stagecoaches and the like...I remember in the 1950's there being a "high-rise" robber in New York, never did hear if the person got caught, but am sure that there were many "inventive" bad guys/gals out there, throughout history. Oh, just remembered the million dollar train robbery of London, England in the 60's? ~Linda~ IF I knew then, what I know now.... I would have done then, what i can't do now.

It should come as no surprise to any of us that thefts occur on liners. Here are 3 examples Liners were frequently used to move gold and silver from country to country. In December, 1897, the Ward Line's City of Washington transported 600,000 Mexican silver dollars from Vera Cruz to New York; more accurately, she transported 597,125 Mexican silver dollars, for during the voyage, 2,875 went missing, much to the anguish of Captain Burley and Purser Folger. In Mexico, the silver dollars had been packed, 3,000 to a box, in wooden boxes about a foot square and six inches deep. The boxes each had a lockable lid and were secured by iron bands. The City of Washington had a special tank, fifteen feet square abaft the after bulkhead that had iron walls. Located between the saloon and main decks, access was only through a manhole, that itself was secured by iron bars and then double locked with two person integrity, Burley having one key, and Folger the other. The tank was reserved for bulky cargoes like the silver; gold was kept in the ship's safe. After disembarking her passengers, the boxes of dollars were unloaded, and the tally counted. One box was missing. They searched the ship with a fine toothed comb, and found a canvas sack in the forward saloon containing 125 of the missing dollars. The search intensified, including a minute examination of the locks on the manhole, which were found to be in order. Central Office detectives determined that the box had been hidden while the ship was being loaded in Vera Cruz, and that the perps (?) sailed with the City of Washington, although it was unclear whether they disembarked in Progreso, Havana, or New York. Another question was whether the perps had been caught in the act, or almost caught which caused them to drop the sack containing part of their loot. A notorious rascal with a close to year-long reign in the forefront of jewel thieves was 25-year old Jules Rubin. Rubin began victimizing an assortment of Atlantic and pacific liners in December, 1933. In February 1934, he worked the Malolo between the US West Coast and Hawaii. During that spree, he made off with a brooch variously described as being worth $3,600 and $5,000, and a diamond ring, both from the cabin of actress Polly Moran, as well as another diamond ring worth $2,000. Afraid to take the ring off the ship after being questioned by San Francisco detectives, Rubin hid it in a light socket. A month later, Rubin returned to the scene of the crime and recovered the ring. Rubin had a good haul at Easter aboard the Kungsholm. During that trip, Rubin made off with $22,000 worth of jewellery. Amazingly, $8,000 of it belonged to one man, William K. Jacobs of New York. For good measure, a March trip aboard the Georgic yielded him a $2,900 fur coat. His activities were not going unnoticed. Detectives Erbach and Juber were on his trail. For three months, they put together their case against him. On August 15, 1934, in Grand Central Terminal, they arrested their man. Between December 1933 when he "began his depredations," and August 1934, when he was finally hauled off to durance vile, Rubin had cleared ocean liner cabins of furs and jewellery valued at $400,000, and insured for $250,000. Described by the detectives as having "a superficial culture," Rubin claimed to have two years of college. Dishonourably discharged at some earlier point from the Navy for unstated reasons, Rubin had no prior record. He had long been under suspicion. Detectives in both Honolulu and San Francisco had questioned him to no avail. Interrogated at length by Erbach and Juber, the dapper Rubin sang like a canary as he confessed to his crimes in a six page written confession. His confession allowed police to recover a $2,000 diamond ring, and they were hopeful of recovering an additional $15,000 of the loot. In fact, they recovered almost $50,000 worth of loot, including Polly Moran's brooch, which was returned to her, and an additional $43,000 worth which was unclaimed at the time of Rubin's conviction in a Federal Court in October, 1934 for larceny on the high seas. Rubin faced six years at government expense. Creativity is not just found on the part of the wrong-doer; sometimes the judge and jury exercise creativity as well. In July, 1904, Hamburg-Amerika's Graf Waldersee faced a food thief! Steerage passengers complained almost daily that food and sweetmeats were going missing from their carefully hidden resting places. One day, a passenger returned to find the thief in the act. Face and hands covered with jam, the pretty little golden haired girl was roughly grabbed by the jam's owner and turned over to the steward. In that condition, with no time to clean up, she was hauled before the Master, Captain Krech. Her guilt dripping from her mouth and hands, she was sternly interrogated. Learning the degree of poverty of the girl's parents, Krech mulled her punishment. "This is a very serious case and must be dealt with accordingly. The penalty for the first offense is imprisonment. For the second it is spanking, and for the third, it is hanging or exclusion from America. But the facts in this case are such that I shall have to be more severe. I therefore sentence you to eat the best jam this ship can produce every time you feel like it. The jam will be supplied by the steward." It was unlikely the girl understood all that, but she did understand the pot of jam that was brought to her on request. She smiled at the Captain and kept her face in the jam pot for the rest of the journey. Her fate on arriving in America is unrecorded. (My thanks to John Emery - Cedar Hill, Texas) Regards Don

Hi Don, I enjoyed this story very much - so interesting! And I loved the happy ending! Regards Diana It should come as no surprise to any of us that thefts occur on liners. Here are 3 examples Liners were frequently used to move gold and silver from country to country. In December, 1897, the Ward Line's City of Washington transported 600,000 Mexican silver dollars from Vera Cruz to New York; more accurately, she transported 597,125 Mexican silver dollars, for during the voyage, 2,875 went missing, much to the anguish of Captain Burley and Purser Folger. In Mexico, the silver dollars had been packed, 3,000 to a box, in wooden boxes about a foot square and six inches deep. The boxes each had a lockable lid and were secured by iron bands. The City of Washington had a special tank, fifteen feet square abaft the after bulkhead that had iron walls. Located between the saloon and main decks, access was only through a manhole, that itself was secured by iron bars and then double locked with two person integrity, Burley having one key, and Folger the other. The tank was reserved for bulky cargoes like the silver; gold was kept in the ship's safe. After disembarking her passengers, the boxes of dollars were unloaded, and the tally counted. One box was missing. They searched the ship with a fine toothed comb, and found a canvas sack in the forward saloon containing 125 of the missing dollars. The search intensified, including a minute examination of the locks on the manhole, which were found to be in order. Central Office detectives determined that the box had been hidden while the ship was being loaded in Vera Cruz, and that the perps (?) sailed with the City of Washington, although it was unclear whether they disembarked in Progreso, Havana, or New York. Another question was whether the perps had been caught in the act, or almost caught which caused them to drop the sack containing part of their loot. A notorious rascal with a close to year-long reign in the forefront of jewel thieves was 25-year old Jules Rubin. Rubin began victimizing an assortment of Atlantic and pacific liners in December, 1933. In February 1934, he worked the Malolo between the US West Coast and Hawaii. During that spree, he made off with a brooch variously described as being worth $3,600 and $5,000, and a diamond ring, both from the cabin of actress Polly Moran, as well as another diamond ring worth $2,000. Afraid to take the ring off the ship after being questioned by San Francisco detectives, Rubin hid it in a light socket. A month later, Rubin returned to the scene of the crime and recovered the ring. Rubin had a good haul at Easter aboard the Kungsholm. During that trip, Rubin made off with $22,000 worth of jewellery. Amazingly, $8,000 of it belonged to one man, William K. Jacobs of New York. For good measure, a March trip aboard the Georgic yielded him a $2,900 fur coat. His activities were not going unnoticed. Detectives Erbach and Juber were on his trail. For three months, they put together their case against him. On August 15, 1934, in Grand Central Terminal, they arrested their man. Between December 1933 when he "began his depredations," and August 1934, when he was finally hauled off to durance vile, Rubin had cleared ocean liner cabins of furs and jewellery valued at $400,000, and insured for $250,000. Described by the detectives as having "a superficial culture," Rubin claimed to have two years of college. Dishonourably discharged at some earlier point from the Navy for unstated reasons, Rubin had no prior record. He had long been under suspicion. Detectives in both Honolulu and San Francisco had questioned him to no avail. Interrogated at length by Erbach and Juber, the dapper Rubin sang like a canary as he confessed to his crimes in a six page written confession. His confession allowed police to recover a $2,000 diamond ring, and they were hopeful of recovering an additional $15,000 of the loot. In fact, they recovered almost $50,000 worth of loot, including Polly Moran's brooch, which was returned to her, and an additional $43,000 worth which was unclaimed at the time of Rubin's conviction in a Federal Court in October, 1934 for larceny on the high seas. Rubin faced six years at government expense. Creativity is not just found on the part of the wrong-doer; sometimes the judge and jury exercise creativity as well. In July, 1904, Hamburg-Amerika's Graf Waldersee faced a food thief! Steerage passengers complained almost daily that food and sweetmeats were going missing from their carefully hidden resting places. One day, a passenger returned to find the thief in the act. Face and hands covered with jam, the pretty little golden haired girl was roughly grabbed by the jam's owner and turned over to the steward. In that condition, with no time to clean up, she was hauled before the Master, Captain Krech. Her guilt dripping from her mouth and hands, she was sternly interrogated. Learning the degree of poverty of the girl's parents, Krech mulled her punishment. "This is a very serious case and must be dealt with accordingly. The penalty for the first offense is imprisonment. For the second it is spanking, and for the third, it is hanging or exclusion from America. But the facts in this case are such that I shall have to be more severe. I therefore sentence you to eat the best jam this ship can produce every time you feel like it. The jam will be supplied by the steward." It was unlikely the girl understood all that, but she did understand the pot of jam that was brought to her on request. She smiled at the Captain and kept her face in the jam pot for the rest of the journey. Her fate on arriving in America is unrecorded. (My thanks to John Emery - Cedar Hill, Texas) Regards Don

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