Thanks Kim, that was the way I took it. Poor Patricia had been on the list since last March, but I didn't want to take any chances. If she subs again, I will explain to her . . although, the messages were sent last night so I didn't seen them until this morning, so she would have seen them on list and John's comment. Reunion.com was something I had always just ignored. I'd never looked into what it was <sigh> My husband's 85+ year old aunt sends me "funnies" which are great, but those "forward" things too, which I NEVER forward either. ;-} Sue -- At 11:05 AM 2008-11-19 -0500, Kim Gawlak wrote: >Hi Sue, >Just FYI, I have seen this happen once before on another list I subscribe >to -- Reunion.com did the same thing... >It's some sort of spam-program.... As I recall, it was completely >accidental and not anything the person did intentionally (or >therwise??) -- I think it somehow got into the person's address book and >went out from there.... > >Another reason why I NEVER forward those emails that say "send to 10 >people you know in the next 5 mins" etc. All just scammers, I say! > >Best, >kim

Hi Sue, Just FYI, I have seen this happen once before on another list I subscribe to -- Reunion.com did the same thing... It's some sort of spam-program.... As I recall, it was completely accidental and not anything the person did intentionally (or therwise??) -- I think it somehow got into the person's address book and went out from there.... Another reason why I NEVER forward those emails that say "send to 10 people you know in the next 5 mins" etc. All just scammers, I say! Best, kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Swiggum" <[email protected]> To: "J MOORE" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [TSL] ADMIN (was) Re: Patricia added you as a friend on Reunion.com! > John and list, > > I don't know what on earth Patricia was thinking. The only thing I can > think is that she maybe used her personal address book with the list > address included. > > I have unsubscribed Patricia from this list. > > The list address is only an address which people can send mail TO, not > FROM, so as no-one can confirm _from_ this address to accept the > "invitation," there should be no cause for concern. > > Sue > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > At 10:36 AM 2008-11-19 +0000, J MOORE wrote: >>It would appear that Pat has foolishly given Reunion.com access to her >>address book. >>It, and some other "social networking sites" that dupe people into giving >>away the >>addresses in their contacts list are parasites, and on no account should >>anyone join >>them. >> >>John > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It would appear that Pat has foolishly given Reunion.com access to her address book. It, and some other "social networking sites" that dupe people into giving away the addresses in their contacts list are parasites, and on no account should anyone join them. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Coyne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:45 AM Subject: [TSL] Patricia added you as a friend on Reunion.com! | Hi, | | I looked for you on Reunion.com, but you weren't there. Please connect with me so we can keep in touch. | -Patricia | | Do You Know Patricia? | YES - Connect with Patricia, and see who's searching for you | http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2002&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?uid=301033351&[email protected] | NO - I don't know Patricia http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2000&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?unsub=true&[email protected]&uid=301033351 | ---------------------------- | | Reunion.com - Find Everyone from Your Past. | You have received this e-mail because a Reunion.com Member sent an invitation to | this e-mail address. For assistance, please refer to our FAQ or Contact Us. http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2001&&&http://help.reunion.com/selfhelp?lid=2 | Our Address: 2118 Wilshire Blvd., Box 1008, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784 | | ------------------------------- | visit TheShipsList Website | http://www.theshipslist.com/ | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

John and list, I don't know what on earth Patricia was thinking. The only thing I can think is that she maybe used her personal address book with the list address included. I have unsubscribed Patricia from this list. The list address is only an address which people can send mail TO, not FROM, so as no-one can confirm _from_ this address to accept the "invitation," there should be no cause for concern. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 10:36 AM 2008-11-19 +0000, J MOORE wrote: >It would appear that Pat has foolishly given Reunion.com access to her >address book. >It, and some other "social networking sites" that dupe people into giving >away the >addresses in their contacts list are parasites, and on no account should >anyone join >them. > >John

I've been notified that the server hosting TheShipsList _website_ (not this email discussion list), will be moving its physical location on Thursday the 20th November. The move will take 3-4 hours and the reboot as long as one hour, so it it will be a possible downtime of as many as 5 hours <she says optimistically>. I can't be more specific as to the GMT time (or equivalent), but it will be moving from Los Angeles datacenter to the San Diego datacenter, probably in daylight hours. If you try to visit during down-time you will probably receive a 401 error, but it is only temporary, as I've noted. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi, I looked for you on Reunion.com, but you weren't there. Please connect with me so we can keep in touch. -Patricia Do You Know Patricia? YES - Connect with Patricia, and see who's searching for you http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180515&extra=&&&2002&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?uid=301033351&[email protected] NO - I don't know Patricia http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180515&extra=&&&2000&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?unsub=true&[email protected]&uid=301033351 ---------------------------- Reunion.com - Find Everyone from Your Past. You have received this e-mail because a Reunion.com Member sent an invitation to this e-mail address. For assistance, please refer to our FAQ or Contact Us. http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180515&extra=&&&2001&&&http://help.reunion.com/selfhelp?lid=2 Our Address: 2118 Wilshire Blvd., Box 1008, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784

Hi, I looked for you on Reunion.com, but you weren't there. Please connect with me so we can keep in touch. -Patricia Do You Know Patricia? YES - Connect with Patricia, and see who's searching for you http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2002&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?uid=301033351&[email protected] NO - I don't know Patricia http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2000&&&http://www.reunion.com/showInviteRegistration.do?unsub=true&[email protected]&uid=301033351 ---------------------------- Reunion.com - Find Everyone from Your Past. You have received this e-mail because a Reunion.com Member sent an invitation to this e-mail address. For assistance, please refer to our FAQ or Contact Us. http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=13400&messageid=6000&databaseid=1225389107&serial=1207176509&[email protected]&userid=180400&extra=&&&2001&&&http://help.reunion.com/selfhelp?lid=2 Our Address: 2118 Wilshire Blvd., Box 1008, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784

Hi Folks, In 1863 newspaper reports say the Alexander WATERS was the owner of a brig, *Stephen Watson* built in The Wear in1838 at 219 tons. It ran aground at Gunfleet Sand on December 13th 1863 taking coal from Sunderland to London. All hands survived. A different newspaper quotes the owners as Messrs. A Watson and S. Grieves of Sunderland. According to the census and his son-in-law's obituary Alexander WATERS born in 1799 was also a Master mariner. I am looking for any further information on the brig and, if possible, an image of a coaling brig of that period. Regards Mike Yegwart

*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for November 2008 is . . . o Fleets: o King Line / Philipps & Company / Philipps, Philipps & Company Ltd 1899-1959 This Fleet was a cargo ship line. o Arrivals: o Ships to Quebec 1830 (completed ...4 pages) Just a reminder that the 1830 Quebec papers are completed. o Passengers: o SOUTH AUSTRALIA o ship Gomelza, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 10th June 1856 o ship Hooghly, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 25th July 1856 o ship Eliza, from Southampton to Port Adelaide 20th August 1856 Three more ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856. They are all great lists with lots of families but fewer single women. The British Parliamentary Papers for 1855 eg. published complaints about too many young women not able to find employment, which probably accounts for fewer of them being selected for the 1856 ships. The list compilers sometimes use ditto marks ( " or do. ) to indicate where people had resided. Robert and I have found that this was a careless practise, because some were definitely not from that place. For those, I have included their proper residence circa. 1851, in the "Remarks" column, for others just question marks, like the elusive Whiting family on the HOOGHLY and the Hosking family on the ship I'm now working on, so I'll repeat this message next time .... if you recognise any families / people, who are wrongly recorded, please let Robert or I know. ... also, If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, so it can be added as a note to the list. o Passengers: o QUEBEC o New Swiftsure - 1st trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 20th July 1830 o New Swiftsure - 2nd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 27th July 1830 o New Swiftsure - 3rd trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 5th August 1830 o New Swiftsure - 4th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 9th August 1830 — mostly Scots, big families, lots of children o New Swiftsure - 5th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 22nd August 1830 o New Swiftsure - 6th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 1st September 1830 o New Swiftsure - 7th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 4th September 1830 o New Swiftsure - 8th trip up, ...no passengers o New Swiftsure - 9th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 18th September 1830 o New Swiftsure - 10th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 26th September 1830 — notation "Settlers in Distress." o New Swiftsure - 11th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 2nd October 1830 o New Swiftsure - 12th trip up, Three Rivers to Montreal, 10th October 1830 o New Swiftsure - 13th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 17th October 1830 o New Swiftsure - 14th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 24th October 1830 o New Swiftsure - 15th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 4th November 1830 These are the only 1830 steamboat lists we have up (to go with thw 1830 newspapers), but more are coming very soon. This was the last season for the NEW SWIFTSURE, as at the end of the season she was sold to Sir John Caldwell and was going to have her engines taken out, and placed in the sawmills at Becancour. The 9th August trip is great with obvious Scottish families, and some children being referred to as laddies and lasses (I so wish they had included the names). I think they probably arrived at Quebec in the brig Stirling Castle from Greenock. Another interesting group were on the September 26th trip. That list had the notation "Settlers in Distress." They were allowed to travel free, or for a reduced fare. I'm guessing they had arrived on the brig Atlantic, from Belfast. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Does anyone know of any ship manifests BEFORE Penn's arrival in 1682 that would have Joseph ASHTON from England on it? I have searched those I've found online, but no luck so far, and there's not that many. I know he was in Philadelphia before 1682, but I don't know how long, nor do I know if he actually came to Philly directly from England. Perhaps he came via New England several years earlier, or some alternative route. Joseph died in 1708, naming 2 children who are believed to have been b in Philly ca 1682/84. I have not been able to confirm that. Most family trees suggest Joseph was b 1654 in Lancashire, Englad, which would suggest Liverpool as the departure port; I have not been able to confirm that. Joseph was married to Jane (surname unknown), but I don't know whether they married before or after he arrived in the US. Any help greatly appreciated. Sharon **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Hi Jan, In 1912 Yugoslavia did not exist. Slovenia was a part of the old Austro-Hungarian empire until after the Great War when Yugoslavia was formed in about 1919. The most likely port of departure was Trieste which was Austrian until 1919 when ceded to Italy. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Hayes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [TSL] Ships from Yugoslavia > > Hi Ship-list members, > > I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if you could help me. I'm > searching for the ship/manifest for the family of Shubl (Shuble/Shubel) > The 1920 census has them entering the USA in 1912 and 1913 . .. John > Shubl in 1912 . the wife Hannah and 3 children in 1913. Te family is > Yugoslavian speaking Slovenian. The children's ages in 1913 would have > been about .... Hannah(4yrs), Mary( 0+ months) and Frank(1yr), > > Then 1930 census has them all arriving in 1913. > > The next child birth occurred in 1915 in Eastern Pa. With that in mind, > I'm wondering what ships could have come into Buffalo, NY, Mich, or NYC > and even Baltimore or PA. . And where did most Yugoslavian families depart > from? > > I have found a 1911 Janos Szabol entering Philadelphia , that could be him > coming without a wife. But is says Hungary as his birthplace. Did the > borders change so he could have been a Yugoslavian? And I still cant find > his wife and 3 children entering the USA. I am using Ancestry but is there > a better site to find this information ? > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > Thank you, > Jan Hayes > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1786 - Release Date: 13/11/2008 18:01

No they don't Sue but the point was if Frank worked out which ship they came on from the indexes then he would be able to check the passenger list which would. Much more definitive than guessing the most likely which still doesn't help anyway as passenger lists are much easier to find this end than the UK end. Regards Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Sue Swiggum [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 7:57 AM To: Lyn; [email protected] Cc: Frank Morgan Subject: Re: [TSL] UK Emigration departure ports to Melbourne Aust. 1850 Hi Lyn (copy Frank) I don't think those databases do indicate the name of the departure port, just B for a British port and F for a foreign port (ie. any place other than a British port). Frank, I had been thinking about your query and thought that maybe Liverpool would have been most likely from Leeds. England had pretty well established rail by that time, so that would have opened up other opportunities, so I can't be sure. You should begin with the databases Lyn mentioned to learn which year, which month of arrival and the name of the ship. There are assisted (from 1839) and unassisted (from 1852) links ... you can quickly find the direct links here ... just scroll down to Australia http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/Resource.htm#pax Armed with that information about the ship name and month / year of arrival, you can access the Sydney Shipping Gazette online ... http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html ... You will get the hang of it, but Melbourne arrival information was usually published in the SSG about 2-3 weeks later. You will almost 100% likely, learn the port of departure (as well as learning the day of arrival), usually Captain name, "cabin passengers" names and numbers of emigrants. Sometimes you'll find a chatty piece about the voyage and maybe the cargo the vessel carried ... those aren't necessarily on the same page. The images are .pdf so you'll need an Adobe Reader (free download if you don' t have it) Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 07:30 AM 2008-11-15 +1000, Lyn wrote: >Hi Frank > >It might be easier to find them arriving in Australia - the passenger >list will have the port of departure. Are you aware of the online >indexes at > >http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVgu >ide02 >3.jsp > >http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Immigrat >ionam pShippi although NSW this has one index for Port Phillip. > >Regards > >Lyn >In Brisbane >Oz. >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Morgan >Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2008 12:37 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TSL] UK Emigration departure ports to Melbourne Aust. 1850 > >Hello, > >I am seeking the likely Ports of Departure for a family who lived in >Leeds, Yorkshire. > >Their arrival into Melbourne, Victoria, is estimated as about 1849/50. > >Frank, Perth Aust.

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Hi Frank It might be easier to find them arriving in Australia - the passenger list will have the port of departure. Are you aware of the online indexes at http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide02 3.jsp http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Immigrationam pShippi although NSW this has one index for Port Phillip. Regards Lyn In Brisbane Oz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Morgan Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2008 12:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TSL] UK Emigration departure ports to Melbourne Aust. 1850 Hello, I am seeking the likely Ports of Departure for a family who lived in Leeds, Yorkshire. Their arrival into Melbourne, Victoria, is estimated as about 1849/50. Frank, Perth Aust. ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ship-list members, I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if you could help me. I'm searching for the ship/manifest for the family of Shubl (Shuble/Shubel) The 1920 census has them entering the USA in 1912 and 1913 . .. John Shubl in 1912 . the wife Hannah and 3 children in 1913. Te family is Yugoslavian speaking Slovenian. The children's ages in 1913 would have been about .... Hannah(4yrs), Mary( 0+ months) and Frank(1yr), Then 1930 census has them all arriving in 1913. The next child birth occurred in 1915 in Eastern Pa. With that in mind, I'm wondering what ships could have come into Buffalo, NY, Mich, or NYC and even Baltimore or PA. . And where did most Yugoslavian families depart from? I have found a 1911 Janos Szabol entering Philadelphia , that could be him coming without a wife. But is says Hungary as his birthplace. Did the borders change so he could have been a Yugoslavian? And I still cant find his wife and 3 children entering the USA. I am using Ancestry but is there a better site to find this information ? Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Jan Hayes

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?Order=62172 <http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?Order=62172&page=1&Ta ble=Assisted+immigrants+arriving+in+Sydney+%26+Newcastle%2c+1844-59&SQL=Sele ct+*+FROM+%5bAssisted+immigrants+arriving+in+Sydney+%26+Newcastle%2c+1844-59 %5d+WHERE+Surname+LIKE+%27PRESSLAND%27+AND+Firstname+LIKE+%27%25%27+Order+by +Surname%2cFirstname> &page=1&Table=Assisted+immigrants+arriving+in+Sydney+%26+Newcastle%2c+1844-5 9&SQL=Select+*+FROM+[Assisted+immigrants+arriving+in+Sydney+%26+Newcastle%2c +1844-59]+WHERE+Surname+LIKE+%27PRESSLAND%27+AND+Firstname+LIKE+%27%25%27+Or der+by+Surname%2cFirstname What does POB mean in the remarks column? Thanks Darrell

At 09:51 PM 2008-11-14 +0000, DARRELL wrote: >What does POB mean in the remarks column? Hi Darrell, That got me thinking, so I checked the website and found this "More Information" webpage http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_to_assisted_immigrants_366.asp Abbreviations in the search results bv: born on voyage, in quarantine etc. b&dv: born and died on voyage, in quarantine etc. cob: child(ren) on board (listed separately) dv: died on voyage, in quarantine etc. inft: infant pob: parent(s) on board (listed separately) sf: stepfather tw: travelling with I had checked your Pressland and see that abbreviation for Alfred, who was 15. Alfred was considered an adult, therefore would have been listed as a "single man" rather than with the family and the younger children. Children 14 and above were considered adults. I notice though that the British Parliamentary pages for arrivals from 1856 on ... http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1856-1857.htm ...state "N.B.— From January 1st 1856, all persons above the age of 12 years are reckoned as adults." Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Lyn (copy Frank) I don't think those databases do indicate the name of the departure port, just B for a British port and F for a foreign port (ie. any place other than a British port). Frank, I had been thinking about your query and thought that maybe Liverpool would have been most likely from Leeds. England had pretty well established rail by that time, so that would have opened up other opportunities, so I can't be sure. You should begin with the databases Lyn mentioned to learn which year, which month of arrival and the name of the ship. There are assisted (from 1839) and unassisted (from 1852) links ... you can quickly find the direct links here ... just scroll down to Australia http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/Resource.htm#pax Armed with that information about the ship name and month / year of arrival, you can access the Sydney Shipping Gazette online ... http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html ... You will get the hang of it, but Melbourne arrival information was usually published in the SSG about 2-3 weeks later. You will almost 100% likely, learn the port of departure (as well as learning the day of arrival), usually Captain name, "cabin passengers" names and numbers of emigrants. Sometimes you'll find a chatty piece about the voyage and maybe the cargo the vessel carried ... those aren't necessarily on the same page. The images are .pdf so you'll need an Adobe Reader (free download if you don' t have it) Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 07:30 AM 2008-11-15 +1000, Lyn wrote: >Hi Frank > >It might be easier to find them arriving in Australia - the passenger list >will have the port of departure. Are you aware of the online indexes at > >http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide02 >3.jsp > >http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Immigrationam >pShippi although NSW this has one index for Port Phillip. > >Regards > >Lyn >In Brisbane >Oz. >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Morgan >Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2008 12:37 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TSL] UK Emigration departure ports to Melbourne Aust. 1850 > >Hello, > >I am seeking the likely Ports of Departure for a family who lived in Leeds, >Yorkshire. > >Their arrival into Melbourne, Victoria, is estimated as about 1849/50. > >Frank, Perth Aust.

I just found a site with another transcription of the list of the Elizabeth and Anne http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tornabene/index4.htm It is complete with the Prison number, I believe all the men on board (the listed prisoners) were at Preston. Eliz

Hi listers, The Library & Archives, Canada (LAC), have just uploaded a brand new online database for Immigrants to Canada for the period prior to the formal archiving of passenger lists, which was in 1865. This was initially a card index referred to as the "Miscellaneous Immigration Index." There is a very long list of the sources included and you can read those by clicking on the "Search Help" page. That page also gives a full description of the database. There have been several *new* databases recently added on the LAC website, so you can find them all listed here http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/Resource.htm#pax Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/