Lynne First let me say there were a good many vessels by this name operating at the same time. According to the London Times of June 19, 1854 in the shipping news: DEAL June 18. 5 p.m.--Wind, S.; light and fine. Arrived and Anchored.--...the Blenheim, for Port Adelaide,... She most likely sailed on the tide. Regards.. Marj At 05:55 AM 12/9/2008, Lynne Barnard wrote: >Good evening Listers > > > >I am interested in the departure port and arrival port in Australia in 1854 >of the BLENHEIM and the route sailed. > > > >I have found a possible match to the arrival of one of my family on the PROV >site. It lists the BLENHEIM as arriving in Victoria in 1854. I have tried >many websites and Googling but cannot find any information that matches the >1854 arrival of this ship in Victoria Australia. It would help tracing my >family if I could confirm where this ship originated and the route travelled >etc. > > > >Regards > >Lynne > >Melbourne > > > > > >------------------------------- >visit TheShipsList Website >http://www.theshipslist.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Barnard" <[email protected]> To: "THESHIPSLIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: [TSL] BLENHEIM 1854 Hi Lynne > > I am interested in the departure port and arrival port in Australia > in 1854 > of the BLENHEIM and the route sailed. > This same ship carrying a large cargo of migrants to the Port of Sydney, Colony of NSW ,arriving 6 Jul 1855, having departed Southampton 21 Mar ( source Maitland Mercury on line via the NLA site) > > I have found a possible match to the arrival of one of my family on > the PROV > site. It lists the BLENHEIM as arriving in Victoria in 1854. If the VIC PRO say it did, I'd go along with that I have tried > many websites and Googling but cannot find any information that > matches the > 1854 arrival of this ship in Victoria Australia. It also came into Port of Sydney 26 Aug 1850 and 22 Feb 1849 It would help tracing my > family if I could confirm where this ship originated and the route > travelled > etc. This is a large book to be found in many libraries . "Shipping arrivals and departures VIC ports " which cover to 1854 or 5 . Not everything is on the net ......... I didnt realise you were in Melbourne anyway . All you have to do is go to the VIC PRO and look up this info and then to the SLV and look up the Argus newspaper for shipping arrival info Feb 1854 Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

Good evening Listers I am interested in the departure port and arrival port in Australia in 1854 of the BLENHEIM and the route sailed. I have found a possible match to the arrival of one of my family on the PROV site. It lists the BLENHEIM as arriving in Victoria in 1854. I have tried many websites and Googling but cannot find any information that matches the 1854 arrival of this ship in Victoria Australia. It would help tracing my family if I could confirm where this ship originated and the route travelled etc. Regards Lynne Melbourne

Hi Lynne As you are in Melbourne you would be able to view the passenger list at the PRO. That will tell you the departure port and destination port/s and other information regarding the ship and the passengers. You may even find a surgeon's report there too. Regards Lyn In Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Barnard Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2008 8:56 PM To: THESHIPSLIST Subject: [TSL] BLENHEIM 1854 Good evening Listers I am interested in the departure port and arrival port in Australia in 1854 of the BLENHEIM and the route sailed. I have found a possible match to the arrival of one of my family on the PROV site. It lists the BLENHEIM as arriving in Victoria in 1854. I have tried many websites and Googling but cannot find any information that matches the 1854 arrival of this ship in Victoria Australia. It would help tracing my family if I could confirm where this ship originated and the route travelled etc. Regards Lynne Melbourne ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can one of our RN people please tell me what ''Capt Qu DRO Men'' stands for? Many thanks -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Lynne, It will be this Duncan Dunbar vessel ... from Gilbert Provost's website, this is her Lloyds listing 1849-1855 http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/ShipsB1.htm BLENHEIM - 1849/1855 Master: Captain Molison Rigging: Ship; sheathed in felt and yellow metal in 1845 & 1853 Tonnage: 689 tons under the old measurements and 808 tons under the new measurements. Construction: in 1845 in South Shields Owner: D. Dunbar Port of registry: London Port of survey: London (1855) Voyage: sailed for Australia (1855) The ship did sail to NSW in 1855 ... confirmation shown here http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.html Although 1854 trips with assisted passengers are also shown here, the 1854 references only begin with those which sailed from UK from January 1854. The BLENHEIM shown at the PROVIC website for assisted passengers shows that the ship arrived in February 1854, which means it would have sailed in 1853 ... probably November. The Sydney Shipping Gazette in the 13th March 1854 issue, notes the arrival at Melbourne on February 28th 1854. The BLENHEIM sailed from Plymouth on November 22nd [1853], with 4 passengers and 298 government immigrants. http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html The Melbourne newspapers will probably provide more details about the arrival and as Lyn suggested, a trip to the Public Record Office will yield copies of the original documents. Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:55 PM 2008-12-09 +1100, Lynne Barnard wrote: >Good evening Listers > >I am interested in the departure port and arrival port in Australia in 1854 >of the BLENHEIM and the route sailed. > >I have found a possible match to the arrival of one of my family on the PROV >site. It lists the BLENHEIM as arriving in Victoria in 1854. I have tried >many websites and Googling but cannot find any information that matches the >1854 arrival of this ship in Victoria Australia. It would help tracing my >family if I could confirm where this ship originated and the route travelled >etc. > >Regards > >Lynne > >Melbourne

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Granzow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [TSL] Males named Doris > On the Ship List for the Bark Johanna Elisa which arrived in New > York from Hamburg, Germany on June 29, 1854 are three persons named > Doris who are listed as males. > > Can anyone tell me if " Doris" is a man's name in Germany of if it > is an abbreviation for another name, or if it has another meaning? Hi Don Its just a surname. To quote an example there were 367 people who had DORIS as a surname in the US 1860 census And there were 20 X DORIS in my Australian phone CD for 2003 I dont know what its roots are . Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

Hi, Don, I you Google "Doris surname meaning", you'll find that the name has both Irish and French roots. Regards, Tony

Here in the province of Quebec Doris is a male surname amongst the french Canadians Linda

The one that I knew was a first name. I think the last name was Miller, well known from Pearl Harbor. He was from Waco, Texas. Cecelia in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> To: "Don Granzow" <[email protected]>; <> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [TSL] Males named Doris- Its a surname > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Granzow" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TSL] Males named Doris > > >> On the Ship List for the Bark Johanna Elisa which arrived in New >> York from Hamburg, Germany on June 29, 1854 are three persons named >> Doris who are listed as males. >> >> Can anyone tell me if " Doris" is a man's name in Germany of if it >> is an abbreviation for another name, or if it has another meaning? > > Hi Don > Its just a surname. To quote an example there were 367 people who > had DORIS as a surname in the US 1860 census > And there were 20 X DORIS in my Australian phone CD for 2003 > > I dont know what its roots are . > > Bye > > > MargM > Beautiful NSW Central Coast > NSW > Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I’m hoping you can help me solve this: “John Sutherland died on his way home to England from Black River, Jamaica, British West Indies on board the ship Williams off the island of Cuba.” I can find no record of a Royal Navy vessel named Williams or even William. According to the www.slavevoyages.org database there were two slave ships named William which traveled to Jamaica in the 1760s, but neither in 1765. A slave ship named William did travel to Barbados in 1765. There was also a William owned by Samuel Sedgley which apparently transported both convicts and slaves. Is this the proverbial needle in a haystack? Any thoughts? Sincerely, Jennifer

Hi I am looking for the records for the Briton which left Southhampton for Port Natal South Africa on the 13 march 1909 . I am loking for information on Master W Jeffs who was travelling with Mrs Elizabeth Jeffs.He was from Ireland but I would like to know what the ship records list as his place of birth/origins regards Barry Jeffs

On the Ship List for the Bark Johanna Elisa which arrived in New York from Hamburg, Germany on June 29, 1854 are three persons named Doris who are listed as males. Can anyone tell me if " Doris" is a man's name in Germany of if it is an abbreviation for another name, or if it has another meaning? Thanks D.E.Granzow

Boris? You think it should/could/would be Boris? GRIN --Manaia ++++ --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Don Granzow <[email protected]> wrote: > On the Ship List for the Bark Johanna Elisa which arrived in > New York from Hamburg, Germany on June 29, 1854 are three > persons named Doris who are listed as males. > > Can anyone tell me if " Doris" is a man's > name in Germany of if it is an abbreviation for another > name, or if it has another meaning? > > Thanks > D.E.Granzow

Hi Wm Karr, Looks like these are probably east coast of Canada vessels. For information about the ships and possibly their records, I would start at the Memorial Univeristy of Newfoundland which has extensive records of local shipping as well as most of the archives of the (British) Registrar General of Ships and Seamen: http://www.mun.ca/mha/index.php Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Shipslist" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: [TSL] The Cabot and the Hawk My 2 x great grandfather, John Morrissey, was born at sea, in the 1840’s, while his mother was on a little vessel, named “The Cabot”, from St. John’s to St. Mary’s, Newfoundland. John and his younger brother, James, had two fishing vessels. In the early 1870’s, while on a trip from St. John’s, Newfoundland to Sydney, Nova Scotia, on a littler steamer named “The Hawk”, John was washed overboard and his body never recovered. So, John was born and died at sea. I have had a time trying to locate anything on either ship. Can someone help me in this endeavor? Also, would John's birth certificate be in St. John's, where he lived or in St. Mary's, where they landed? Since he was washed overboard, where would his death certificate be filed? ------------------------------- visit TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 27/11/2008 19:53

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Re the previous messages about this vessel - and the information that it was wrecked on Wardany Island - the name of the Island is "Wardang" Island. You could try the South Australian Maritime Museum at Port Adelaide, South Australia for further information on this vessel. It features fairly prominently in South Australia's maritime history. Cheers Ainslie Pyne woodsculptor/figurehead carver/restorer

Can someone give me a few pointers please on where to search? My g grandfather Walter IRVING- 'sailed from Liverpool on August 12th 1862 in a Dutch barque Helvatia, Captain Meneke, and landed in Vancouver Island on January 13th 1863, being 5 months and 1 day on the journey' . This quote came from a newspaper interview given by him in 1916 on his reminiscing about his arrival to New Zealand and working the gold fields of the Inangahua on the West Coast of NZ. This article has only just in the past month come to light and I am so happy it has answered many questions and given me so much information. I would like to find more information about the barque/bark in question - I believe it is the Helvetia but the spelling in the newspaper article is how it was written. I would also like to know where to search for any diaries that can give me a feel for that journey, ship baord life and where the boat may have stopped on the way. Thank you in advance Anne Whitehead

Hello Ainslie When we were in Tasmania we visited the Maritime museum in Hobart. At the time I wasn't aware of my great grandfather's 'Investigator' log book so it was just a general interest visit. We are going to Hobart again this month so I'll go armed with some information this time and see if there is anything there. I know they had a map showing wrecks around southern Australia. You never know what will turn up. Many thanks Denise On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:57:04 +1030, "Ainslie Pyne" <[email protected]> said: > Chris Woods wrote: > > Good morning Denise, > > > > A 'Chief Officer' is a Company (ship owner's) title in the British > > marcantile marine (now the Merchant Navy), usually held by the Chief (or > > 1st.) Mate, which is the senior post below that of Master and note that > > only the rank of Mate and Master are the legal ranks. > > > > The Chief or 1st Mate is the senior officer on the ship below Master who is > > the overall man in charge (commonly known as the Captain), and apart from > > navigation and watchkeeping, the 'Mate is responsible for the cargo, > > discipline of the crew, maintenance of the fabric of the ship, etc. > > > > > > You need your ship's Official Number for any further documentary research > > (see my recent reply to a similar enquiry, by browsing through this site's > > archives) > > There were several with this name: > > > > 23229 London 1849 569 tons, sail > > 37587 Nova Scotia 25 tons sail - not this one, for sure. > > 60885 London 1868 569 tons Sail ? coincidence of tonnage with 23229. > > Possibly 23229 had been lost. and this was a rebuild? > > > > Then there is: > > INVESTIGATOR O.N. 79344 Adelaide 1883 345 tons, Steam ! > > First registered: Adelaide, on May 26th. 1883, Port number 7/83 > > This is the first time the vessel had been registered and given her official > > mnumber. If she had sailed previously under another name, she would have > > had a different official number and that does not change with a change of > > name. This number is carved into her main beam and remains with her for > > life. > > There are some documents for this vessel at The National Archives for 1883 > > under reference BT 00/1398 > > and > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=79344&txtrestriction=BT+99&hdnsorttype=Reference&j=1 > > > > Nothing at Newfoundland. You might try Greenwich for years ending with a 5. > > > > > > Some discrepency on dates for this ship with O.N. 79344: > > if she was first registered in Adelaid in May 1883, she would not have > > sailed from Glasgow in December 1882, but see below..... > > Perhaps your log book will give some indication about this. > > Maybe she was an earlier 'INVESTIGATOR' which had a steam engine added > > later. > > > > Was she a survey vessel? > > > > > > The Official Log Book would have been returned to the (British) Registrar > > Geneeral of Ships and Seamen. > > > > Yours is a personal log kept by the Chief Officer, or 1st. Mate, unless > > he was serving on a Naval vessel..... of which there were several with this > > name: > > Paul Benyon's http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/Index.html > > > > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/I/02446.html > > Investigator, 1848 > > Type: Discovery vessel ; > > Launched : 1848 02 acquired ; Disposal date or year : 1852 > > Disposal Details : Abandoned in the Arctic Ice ; Com. Robt Jno Le Mesurier > > McClure > > BM: 480 tons > > 1848 Search for HMS Erebus and Terror > > 1 Jul 1850 Arrived Honolulu > > 4 Jul 1850 Sails for the North in search of Sir John Franklin's missing > > expedition. > > 30 Aug 1851 Arctic Exploration > > but note 'disposed of in 1852. Doesn't say whether she was scrapped or > > sold. > > > > > > > > > > Referring back to my previous replies to similar enquiries you will find > > the various contacts for Australian shipping records. > > Note also that you can check with the Glasgow archvies which shows > > unexpectedly, a passenger ship (hence no cargo): > > > > http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/shipview.asp > > > > s.s. INVESTIGATOR > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > built by D & W Henderson Ltd Glasgow, > > Yard No 249 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Propulsion: Steam, engines aft > > Built: 1882 > > Ship Type: Passenger Cargo Vessel > > Tonnage: 584 grt > > Length: 210.3 feet > > Breadth: 28.3 feet > > Owner History: > > 1881 Spencer's Gulf S.S. Co., Adelaide > > 1884 Adelaide S.S. Co. > > Status: Wrecked - 24/04/1918 > > > > Remarks: Wrecked 24/4/1918 at Wardany Island. > > > > Looks like this is your ship. > > > > > Hi folks, > > The location of the wreck site is WARDANG Island off the coast of South > Australia. - not "Wardany" suggest this is wrongly recorded from a hand > written entry and the 'G' taken to read a 'Y' > > Ainslie in Adelaide, South Australia. > formerly a figurehead carver and restorer. > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different…

Hello MargM Yes, I keep coming across the Matthew Flinders vessel wherever I look. I actually live in Qld. I'll try contacting the NSW State Library. Alternatively I'll try the Qld SL or John Oxley library both of which have been of assistance in the past on other issues. Thanks for your helpful ideas. Regards Denise On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:48:52 +1100, "MargM" <[email protected]> said: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:07 PM > Subject: [TSL] where do I start? > > > >I have a Chief Officer's Log Book for the Investigator which left > > Glasgow 15 Dec 1882 and arrived in Port Adelaide 21 Feb 1883. > > > Was the position of Chief Officer the same in 1882 as it is today? > > As > > no mention is given regarding passengers or cargo, how can I find > > out > > what sort of vessel it was, where it was built and what happened to > > it > > after its arrival in Australia? > > > > I am very new to research of this kind and have absolutely no idea > > where > > to go though I have tried looking up a couple of ships websites to > > no > > avail. > > > Hi Denise > > Since not all info in on the Net it would help if you gave some wee > clue as to your > location so maybe there is an answer to your " where do to go" > question > If I were looking for this info I would go down to the NSW State > Library, Sydney, and look up film of the Adelaide Advertiser > newspaper for a few days around the date of 20 Feb 1883 > > I dont know if http://143.216.32.39/archivessrsa/t1tbmain.asp would > help . I typed in ' Investigator ' and nothing came up > > As an aside this name ' Investigator' was used before for the > much earlier ship that Mathew FLINDERS used to circumnavigate this > huge island he named Australia > > > Bye > > MargM > Beautiful NSW Central Coast > NSW > Australia > > > -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html