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Hello everyone! It's been a while since I wrote to this list. I've been looking for some years now for the ship that took some of my Scottish ancestors to the Upper Plains of the US in 1880. Thanks to this list and the Olive Tree website and similar websites, I knew it was likely they had come through Canada and crossed over, and that it was possible that they came from Ireland or England instead of from Scotland. However, I haven't had any luck finding more specific information than that - until now! My 95-year-old relative, the last remaining sibling of his generation, discovered some genealogy papers he'd forgotten he had, tucked away in a drawer. They record that the family took a ship from Glasgow to Quebec and then travelled on to South Dakota from there. They also state that the family brought two oxen with them, which I mention in case that would affect what ships they took. However, so far I haven't had any luck doing a more specific search. I've tried databases on Ancestry, Olive Tree, and a couple other sites so far. (It's certainly possible I'm missing something obvious, though.) I see on the databases that there are ships that went between Glasgow and Quebec at the time, but I haven't found my family, the Philp family. Does anyone have any suggestions for what databases to search or what ships I might focus on or any other tips? Also, does anyone know how they would have travelled the rest of the way from Quebec to South Dakota with two oxen in tow? Would they still have been likely to take a train, or would they have been more likely to take some other means of transportation? I know it's possible that some of the data on the papers is inaccurate, but I figure there's no harm in using it as a starting point. Please feel free to contact me off-list with suggestions, information, etc. Thanks so much! Liz Loveland

Got to say all of the 45 who came from St Michaels came on Three ships Republic Cretic Peninsular and one each on America and Brooklyn On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Lynne Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks Betty > > I have just joined the Azores list (only last night)! I have already > checked Ellis Island with no luck. I joined the Portugal list many months > ago but there is NO activity on that list at all! > > Could you please advise the name of the site to search the passport > information that you mentioned? > > Regards > Lynne > Melbourne, Australia > > ----Original Message----- > From: Betty [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 10:18 PM > To: Lynne Barnard; THESHIPSLIST > Subject: Re: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores > > Hi Lynne, > > Just wondering if you have joined the Azores List, and the Azores > "Groups." There are very helpful people on the List, and there is a lot > of very good information in the archives of the List. > > I just learned about a month ago (from Group??) that there is a site where > you can look up "Passport information" (initiating in Azores). > > There is also a Portugal List which I don't currently belong to. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > P.S. Don't forget the "Ellis Island Museum." > > > > > > (My (new) husband's grandparents were a PACHECO / MOURA couple - both coming > > from Sao Miguel ~1905. They settled in Cambridge, MA, USA, and married > here in ~1911.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Barnard" <[email protected]> > To: "THESHIPSLIST" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:56 PM > Subject: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores > > >> >> >> Good afternoon Listers >> >> >> >> Does anyone know of a list where I can view ships that departed from >> Portugal or The Azores regions in the 1850's. or can anyone advise of >> ships >> that they are aware of departing from this area. >> >> >> >> I have a relative that was born in Portugal (not sure where in Portugal) >> who >> married in 1856 in Victoria Australia. I have been searching for his name >> as Vienna, but I am now starting to believe that this was not his birth >> name >> but possibly just the name he used when he arrived in Australia. I would >> be >> very interested in any information at all. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Lynne >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had a quick run at PACHECO at Ancestry 5,555 on the passenger lists. <G> should be plenty of choice! Ancestry has some American passports Name: Maria Alves Pacheco Arrival Date: 1 Sep 1905 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903 Age: 2 Gender: Female Port of Departure: St Michael's Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Portuguese Ship Name: Peninsular Search Ship Database: Search the Peninsular in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York, New York Line: 7 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_614 Page Number: 22 Source Citation: Year: 1905; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_614; Line: 7; . Source Information: Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data: I have come down to 45 who left St Michaels 1903-07, give us some names and maybe we can find this. Eliz On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Lynne Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks Betty > > I have just joined the Azores list (only last night)! I have already > checked Ellis Island with no luck. I joined the Portugal list many months > ago but there is NO activity on that list at all! > > Could you please advise the name of the site to search the passport > information that you mentioned? > > Regards > Lynne > Melbourne, Australia > > ----Original Message----- > From: Betty [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 10:18 PM > To: Lynne Barnard; THESHIPSLIST > Subject: Re: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores > > Hi Lynne, > > Just wondering if you have joined the Azores List, and the Azores > "Groups." There are very helpful people on the List, and there is a lot > of very good information in the archives of the List. > > I just learned about a month ago (from Group??) that there is a site where > you can look up "Passport information" (initiating in Azores). > > There is also a Portugal List which I don't currently belong to. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > P.S. Don't forget the "Ellis Island Museum." > > > > > > (My (new) husband's grandparents were a PACHECO / MOURA couple - both coming > > from Sao Miguel ~1905. They settled in Cambridge, MA, USA, and married > here in ~1911.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Barnard" <[email protected]> > To: "THESHIPSLIST" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:56 PM > Subject: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores > > > > > > > > Good afternoon Listers > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a list where I can view ships that departed from > > Portugal or The Azores regions in the 1850's. or can anyone advise of > > ships > > that they are aware of departing from this area. > > > > > > > > I have a relative that was born in Portugal (not sure where in Portugal) > > who > > married in 1856 in Victoria Australia. I have been searching for his name > > as Vienna, but I am now starting to believe that this was not his birth > > name > > but possibly just the name he used when he arrived in Australia. I would > > be > > very interested in any information at all. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Lynne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon Listers Does anyone know of a list where I can view ships that departed from Portugal or The Azores regions in the 1850's. or can anyone advise of ships that they are aware of departing from this area. I have a relative that was born in Portugal (not sure where in Portugal) who married in 1856 in Victoria Australia. I have been searching for his name as Vienna, but I am now starting to believe that this was not his birth name but possibly just the name he used when he arrived in Australia. I would be very interested in any information at all. Regards Lynne

Hi Lynne, Just wondering if you have joined the Azores List, and the Azores "Groups." There are very helpful people on the List, and there is a lot of very good information in the archives of the List. I just learned about a month ago (from Group??) that there is a site where you can look up "Passport information" (initiating in Azores). There is also a Portugal List which I don't currently belong to. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. Don't forget the "Ellis Island Museum." (My (new) husband's grandparents were a PACHECO / MOURA couple - both coming from Sao Miguel ~1905. They settled in Cambridge, MA, USA, and married here in ~1911.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Barnard" <[email protected]> To: "THESHIPSLIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores > > > Good afternoon Listers > > > > Does anyone know of a list where I can view ships that departed from > Portugal or The Azores regions in the 1850's. or can anyone advise of > ships > that they are aware of departing from this area. > > > > I have a relative that was born in Portugal (not sure where in Portugal) > who > married in 1856 in Victoria Australia. I have been searching for his name > as Vienna, but I am now starting to believe that this was not his birth > name > but possibly just the name he used when he arrived in Australia. I would > be > very interested in any information at all. > > > > Regards > > Lynne > > >

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hello Lyn there is a  probate that can be accessed on  file can be downloaded note it does take some time to download  (make a cup of tea while waiting)   http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54 Antonio Vienna ocupation  labourer died Geelong 23 Oct 1893 Emanuel Vienna   occupation Soldier died Geelong 5 August 1916   regards Lorette --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Lynne Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lynne Barnard <[email protected]> Subject: [TSL] Ships departing from Portugal or the Azores To: "THESHIPSLIST" [email protected] Does anyone know of a list where I can view ships that departed from Portugal or The Azores regions in the 1850's. or can anyone advise of ships that they are aware of departing from this area. I have a relative that was born in Portugal (not sure where in Portugal) who married in 1856 in Victoria Australia.  I have been searching for his name as Vienna, but I am now starting to believe that this was not his birth name but possibly just the name he used when he arrived in Australia.  I would be very interested in any information at all. Lynne - Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

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*new* for TheShipsList website http://www.theshipslist.com/ All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows --------------> <--------------- At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three months of *new* page links on the Home page. New for December 2008 is . . . o Arrivals: o Emigrant Ships from Liverpool to US East Coast and Gulf Ports, 1856 o Emigrant Ships from Liverpool to US East Coast and Gulf Ports, 1858 These are really neat. I must find some more. Granted, they only cover ships from Liverpool to the US east coast and gulf ports, however, although it is great to find a US passenger list with port of departure, you never learn date of departure on the US arrival records. The dates given in these files are for the date of "clearing" which may or may not be the date of sailing. The date of sailing may be hours or even a few days after the "clearing" of the vessel, often reliant on the winds and tides. [from: The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea ....... clearance, the document giving permission to sail by the custom house in a port to the master of a vessel going foreign. It is given after inspection of the ship's registry, its crew list and articles, receipts for port charges, the bill of health, and the manifest. The accuracy of all these papers has to be sworn by the master before clearance can be given. A ship is cleared to sail when all these formalities have been observed.] o Passengers: o ship Lord Hungerford, from Plymouth to Port Adelaide 28th November 1856 o ship Nabob, from Liverpool to Port Adelaide 23rd December 1856 These are the last two ships with assisted passengers to South Australia for 1856. They follow the trend which developed over the 1856 emigration year with more single young men than single young women which was a total reverse of the 1855 emigration year. Interesting comment here ... .... From the Lord Hungerford, three families, 20 single men, and two single women, in all 32 souls, sailed immediately for Melbourne, no attempt having been made by these people to find employment in the colony ; but I am gratified to learn that this is the only ship, during the quarter, from which this species of emigration has taken place..... The LORD HUNGERFORD sailed from Plymouth. The NABOB sailed from Liverpool, so find people emigrating from the Northern English counties, Scotland and Wales, although there is a good smattering of Irish. I'm having fun learning more about these families from the 1851 census' and from FreeBMD, although some are definitely hiding ... maybe in plain sight, but without being personally connected, I can't always be sure of the findings, so I don't add those comments. If you recognise any families / people, who are wrongly recorded, please let Robert or I know. ... also, If anyone is able to furnish corrections or additions (like maiden names) to any of the South Australia Lists, please write to Robert or myself. Also if you know that any family or individual did leave for Victoria after arrival at South Australia then we'd like to know that too, so it can be added as a note to the list. Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value to those list members (in other words, on-topic). Enjoy ! Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi I am looking for any one researching the passenger lists for the briton I am looking for a W jeffs on the Briton leaving Southampton for South Africa 13/3/1909 regargs michele

I just checked Ancestry and while I did get a hit for someone who might be the son Hugh (in the Utah Pioneers db) there was nothing in either the NY or Canadian (logically since it doesn't start until 1865) dbs for Hugh. I searched the 1842 + or - 5 for McClel* and nothing matches. Eliz On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Sue Swiggum <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jean, > > Canada did not begin to archive passenger lists before 1865, so any records > found for passengers before that year are very scarce. > > They would have arrived via the port of Quebec. On TheShipsList website > we only have partial information for the 1842 ship arrivals, to date > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/ships1842.htm >

In the Canadian passenger lists I got two Name: Samuel Steele this man seems to be traveling with a James K? Both Irish going to Toronto and one a teacher and one farmer This image is blotched, and very hard to read Samuel is not bad <G> Gender: Male Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Date of Arrival: 20 May 1912 Vessel: Scotian Search Ship Database: View the 'Scotian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: London, England and Le Havre, France Roll: T-4785 On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Jean Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > searching for the arrival of Samuel Steele born Ballymena, North Ireland, Dec 25, 1889, and came to Canada between 1901 and 1910 on the ship the Lucitania. He settle in the Sarnia ON area, and married in 1919. He had brothers Robert, Daniel and John who also came to Canada > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could this be a brother, there was one other Steele on a Lusi* Name: John Steele Mary, Sarah and Hannah also listed Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1912 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Age: 23 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Lusitania Naturalized in Salt Lake City Port of Arrival: New York, New York Line: 21 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_1933 Page Number: 26 On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Jean Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > searching for the arrival of Samuel Steele born Ballymena, North Ireland, Dec 25, 1889, and came to Canada between 1901 and 1910 on the ship the Lucitania. He settle in the Sarnia ON area, and married in 1919. He had brothers Robert, Daniel and John who also came to Canada > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello again Jean, Just to help your search, the spelling for that ship was LUSITANIA and there was more than one vessel of that name.... http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsL.html ... although the earlier one wrecked in June 1901. Likely you will want the Cunard Line vessel of that name. I checked on "FindMyPast" for that period and ship name, but didn't find him between 1901-1910. He would have left from Londonderry, but might have ferried to Liverpool. (findmypast website has since gone "down") The Cunard Line LUSITANIA was sailing from Liverpool via Queenstown (Cobh) to New York during that period, so you should check Ellis Island website. As I hadn't found him departing from Liverpool 1901-1910 on findmypast, is there a chance that he left earlier, from Londonderry to Quebec, or later, into New York? Have you found him in the 1911 Canada census? That census does indicate the immigration year, although that date is often misremembered, but it would narrow the search to one or two years. Consider too, oral history might have the wrong ship name. For instance, there was Cunard Line LUCANIA sailing from Liverpool to New York until 1909 ;-{ Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:01 AM 2008-12-11 -0500, Jean Campbell wrote: >searching for the arrival of Samuel Steele born Ballymena, North Ireland, >Dec 25, 1889, and came to Canada between 1901 and 1910 on the ship the >Lucitania. He settle in the Sarnia ON area, and married in 1919. He had >brothers Robert, Daniel and John who also came to Canada

Hi Jean, Canada did not begin to archive passenger lists before 1865, so any records found for passengers before that year are very scarce. They would have arrived via the port of Quebec. On TheShipsList website we only have partial information for the 1842 ship arrivals, to date http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/ships1842.htm If you are pretty sure of the arrival at Pembroke, then you should consider a Quebec arrival of as long as one week before that date, as they would have to travel by water all the way, making transfers to other vessels. The railway didn't come into play before mid 1850's. Unfortunately the 1842 arrivals above end with June 28th and you family likely arrived early July. I have no proposed time frame for completing the 1842 arrivals. By the way, don't overlook the chance that they may have arrived via ... New York ? ... those records do survive, but through a subscription service. Good luck Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ At 09:19 AM 2008-12-11 -0500, Jean Campbell wrote: >searching for the ship that Hugh McClelland born Londonderry abt 1798 and >wife Elizabeth (Williamson) born abt 1798 and children Mary b 1826; David >b 1828; Sarah b 1830; James b 1833; Hugh b 1835; Robert b 1837; Martha b >1840, in Cavan Co. Ireland >Hugh Left Ireland May 8, 1842, and landed in Pembroke, Ontario at his >cousin James Miller's place July 13, 1842.

Hello everyone There seems to be renewed interest in tracing an ancestor who arrived in Canada before 1865 - a challenging time period! This is an update to the original note I wrote in February 2007 about Immigration Projects Online and ships passenger lists to Canada before 1865. Remember that before 1865, Canada did not require ships passenger lists to be kept so these projects may be all you can find for an ancestor's arrival Some of the URLs below are more than one line long and cannot be clicked on in email. You can always go to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/canada/ and use the clickable links there to get to all of these free records * Return of Irish Catholic (Counties Wexford & Carlow) families who Sailed from New Ross to Upper Eastern Canada in 1817 http://ancestorsatrest.com/ireland_genealogy_data/ireland_to _canada_1817 * Peter Robinson Settlers sailing 1825 Ireland to Canada Final settlement took place in Peterborough Ontario http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ * St. Lawrence Steamboat Co. Passenger Records 1819-1836 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/1819_20inde x.htm * Alms House Admission Foreigners & Nativity Records with Ships Names 1819 - 1840 (New York City, New York) includes individuals who had sailed into Canada first http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ny_alms1819.shtml * The Hawke Papers, letterbooks of Chief Emigrant Agent Anthony B. Hawke are available at the Archives of Ontario from 1831 to 1892. Searchable database 1865 - 1883 at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm * Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents with sailings from Londonderry Ireland to Quebec and St. John New Brunswick from 1847 to 1871. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke * People from the Fitzwilliam estate in Ireland who settled in Ontario, 1847-1855 Settlement in East half of Ontario http://ancestorsatrest.com/ireland_genealogy_data/wicklow_on tario_fitzwilliam_estate * A Story of Emigration: Southwest Wicklow (Ireland) to Ontario 1840s Settlement in West half of Ontario http://www.bytown.net/wicklowemigrants.htm * Names of Emigrants from the 1845-1847 Records of James Allison, Emigrant Agent at Montreal http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/emigrants-montreal1845- 1847a.htm * Partial Ships Passenger Lists 1850-1855. Names of Individuals in the New York Almshouse who arrived in Canada before going on to New York (includes name of ship, date of arrival and more) http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ny_alms1855.htm * Return of Emigrants Landed at the Port of Kingston Ontario, Canada 1861-1882 gives the final destination of the individuals, their date of arrival at Kingston and more. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/kingston1861oct- 1862may * Petworth Immigrants 1832-1837 http://theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/petworth.html * Emigrants from England in New York City Almshouse 1818- 1830 - 254 names of English immigrants to Canada & USA including the name of the ship they sailed on http://www.allenglishrecords.com/almshouse-a-f * Irish Immigrants at Grosse-Île - 33,026 immigrants whose names appear in surviving records of the Grosse-Île Quarantine Station between 1832 and 1937. http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-504-e.html * Search most ships lists on the Internet going to Canada and the online InGeneas databases for immigration to Canada 1800s http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada * Saint John New Brunswick Customs House Passenger Lists 1815, 1832, 1833-1834 & 1837-1838 - the only known surviving lists from this time period before 1865 http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/saintjohnin dex.htm * Colonial Archives Database contains over 70,000 detailed descriptions of documents in the archival collection mainly of the British and French colonial periods. http://www.archives.ca/02/020112_e.html * Index to Miscellaneous Immigrants to Canada Before 1865 A number of lists have been indexed by name in this database. Many of the records relate to immigrants from the British Isles to Quebec and Ontario, but there are also references to settlers in other provinces. The database also includes other types of records such as declarations of aliens and names of some Irish orphans. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigrants- canada/index-e.html Remember - if you can't click on some of the URLs above you can always go to http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/canada/ and use the clickable links there to get to all of these free records Best of luck in your research and feel free to pass this message on to any list or person you think would be interested. -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ [email protected] or [email protected]

searching for the ship that Hugh McClelland born Londonderry abt 1798 and wife Elizabeth (Williamson) born abt 1798 and children Mary b 1826; David b 1828; Sarah b 1830; James b 1833; Hugh b 1835; Robert b 1837; Martha b 1840, in Cavan Co. Ireland Hugh Left Ireland May 8, 1842, and landed in Pembroke, Ontario at his cousin James Miller's place July 13, 1842.

searching for the arrival of Samuel Steele born Ballymena, North Ireland, Dec 25, 1889, and came to Canada between 1901 and 1910 on the ship the Lucitania. He settle in the Sarnia ON area, and married in 1919. He had brothers Robert, Daniel and John who also came to Canada