Hello Group, I am resubscribing after a long gap so I will re post my interests I am mainly interested in my Parkinson theatrical family My gg gf James Parkinson b.1844 d. 1893 started the ball rolling sort of (maybe with a push from his sister see below) by changing from a carpet weaver to a "theatrical Properties Manager" Born in Dewsbury, he and family (wife Catherine, sons William Bailey and John were in Greenock Scotland from at least 1881 - 1882. James was the theatrical property manager of the Theatre Royal Greenock (any info on above gratefully received) In 1882 a third son James Rush Parkinson was born in Greenock. After that the trail grows cold until James Parkinson' death in 1893, when he died in Teignmouth Infirmary - by this time a Theatre Carpenter. His son William Bailey my g gf is of the most interest to me. From 1881 to 1898 I have no information at all. In 1898 he turns up in Dumfries marrying Lousia/Lily/Lilian Day who claimed actress on her marraige cert - William was claiming "Stage Carpenter". Their witnesses were also two theatricals ' a William George Page Theatrical Property Manager and Ade? Tinsley Actress - all four of these people were living at 42 English Street Dumfries - Any info on a close by theatre to this address would be welcome. Louisa Day - variously calling herself Lily, Lilian etc, was a native of Bristol and She and William turn up there for the 1901 Census - In Cheddar/Axbridge - this I knew before it was confirmed as the 1901 census was conducted on the night before their first child, Audrey, my grandmother was born. After this it gets very hazy. Audrey b. 1901 and her younger sister Rene born 1902 were supposed to be child actresses/performers. William is listed as a Music Hall Artist on birth/marriage certs. I have very little concrete information - I have been told that William "invented something that improved early film screens" that Audrey and Rene were in many productions including Babes in the Wood (like that helps!!!) I have no further record of WIlliam after the birth of REne in OCtober 1902. Lily/Louisa remarries in 1918 stating she is a widow. Audrey and Rene continued performing until 1928 when AUdrey got married. If anyone has any clues I would appreciate it. I am making a trip to the Uk this august and I intend spending some time at Colindale going through copies of the Era again (I have tried doing it from here, but collections from the Unv of Calgary are not complete) There is another family connected with this James Parkinson had a sister Sarah/Emmie who married a Samuel Clive who was an actor - probably performing at F.Wybert Clive. I have found sporadic info on them - Sarah provided the obit for her brother James in 1893 (not wife Catherine which I found strange - Catherine was very much alive in 1901 renting out accommodation - maybe even theatrical rooming house) Samuel and Sarah had a sone called Franklin W. Clive who was an asst librarian in 1901 but may have been an actor too. I am assuming that it was Sarah that got james into the theatrical world - but that is just pure supposition. Anyway, a bit involved, but if anyone has any ideas, please let me know Thanks

Hi Mel, had a lok in Who Who in the Theatre (10th Ed 1947) and it shows a few CLIVE's in the Obituary section details as follows CLIVE Colin Actor died 25 June 1937 (39) CLIVE Edward E Actor died 6th June 1940 (60) CLIVE Vincent Actor died 11th Apr 1943 CLIVE Franklin operatic Vocalist died 30th Nov 1924 CLIVE Kitty Actress died 6th Dec 1785 (74) CLIVE Wybert Actor died 18th July 1892 (32) _ This one must be yours with a name like Wybert! No other details and no PARKINSONs I'm afraid, but perhaps this might help a bit. Good Hunting regards Derek Ive Gosport England derek@ive999.fsnet.co.uk Researching IVE (London/Middx/Bucks) WHIPPE(Oxford) GRAVESTOCK(London/Beds) LIMBERT (Gravesend Kent) THOMAS (London/Ontario) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Morris <mel.morris@cogeco.ca> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [THEATRE-UK] > > Hello Group, > > I am resubscribing after a long gap so I will re post my interests > > I am mainly interested in my Parkinson theatrical family > > My gg gf James Parkinson b.1844 d. 1893 started the ball rolling sort of > (maybe with a push from his sister see below) by changing from a carpet > weaver to a "theatrical Properties Manager" > Born in Dewsbury, he and family (wife Catherine, sons William Bailey and > John were in Greenock Scotland from at least 1881 - 1882. James was the > theatrical property manager of the Theatre Royal Greenock (any info on above > gratefully received) > > In 1882 a third son James Rush Parkinson was born in Greenock. > > After that the trail grows cold until James Parkinson' death in 1893, when > he died in Teignmouth Infirmary - by this time a Theatre Carpenter. > > His son William Bailey my g gf is of the most interest to me. From 1881 to > 1898 I have no information at all. > In 1898 he turns up in Dumfries marrying Lousia/Lily/Lilian Day who claimed > actress on her marraige cert - William was claiming "Stage Carpenter". Their > witnesses were also two theatricals ' a William George Page Theatrical > Property Manager and Ade? Tinsley Actress - all four of these people were > living at 42 English Street Dumfries - Any info on a close by theatre to > this address would be welcome. > > Louisa Day - variously calling herself Lily, Lilian etc, was a native of > Bristol and She and William turn up there for the 1901 Census - In > Cheddar/Axbridge - this I knew before it was confirmed as the 1901 census > was conducted on the night before their first child, Audrey, my grandmother > was born. > > After this it gets very hazy. > > Audrey b. 1901 and her younger sister Rene born 1902 were supposed to be > child actresses/performers. > > William is listed as a Music Hall Artist on birth/marriage certs. > > I have very little concrete information - I have been told that William > "invented something that improved early film screens" > that Audrey and Rene were in many productions including Babes in the Wood > (like that helps!!!) > > I have no further record of WIlliam after the birth of REne in OCtober 1902. > > Lily/Louisa remarries in 1918 stating she is a widow. > > Audrey and Rene continued performing until 1928 when AUdrey got married. > > If anyone has any clues I would appreciate it. I am making a trip to the Uk > this august and I intend spending some time at Colindale going through > copies of the Era again (I have tried doing it from here, but collections > from the Unv of Calgary are not complete) > > There is another family connected with this > James Parkinson had a sister Sarah/Emmie who married a Samuel Clive who was > an actor - probably performing at F.Wybert Clive. > > I have found sporadic info on them - Sarah provided the obit for her brother > James in 1893 (not wife Catherine which I found strange - Catherine was very > much alive in 1901 renting out accommodation - maybe even theatrical rooming > house) > > Samuel and Sarah had a sone called Franklin W. Clive who was an asst > librarian in 1901 but may have been an actor too. I am assuming that it was > Sarah that got james into the theatrical world - but that is just pure > supposition. > > Anyway, a bit involved, but if anyone has any ideas, please let me know > > Thanks > > > >

Thank you very much, I appreciate that, The Wybert is definitely mine - why he used Wybert as his stage name is beyond me - but the others - Could be distinctly related - but I'll have a quick peek at the 1901 census again and see if any pop up ! Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: derekive [mailto:derek@ive999.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: June 11, 2003 5:43 PM To: THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] Hi Mel, had a lok in Who Who in the Theatre (10th Ed 1947) and it shows a few CLIVE's in the Obituary section details as follows CLIVE Colin Actor died 25 June 1937 (39) CLIVE Edward E Actor died 6th June 1940 (60) CLIVE Vincent Actor died 11th Apr 1943 CLIVE Franklin operatic Vocalist died 30th Nov 1924 CLIVE Kitty Actress died 6th Dec 1785 (74) CLIVE Wybert Actor died 18th July 1892 (32) _ This one must be yours with a name like Wybert! No other details and no PARKINSONs I'm afraid, but perhaps this might help a bit. Good Hunting regards Derek Ive Gosport England derek@ive999.fsnet.co.uk Researching IVE (London/Middx/Bucks) WHIPPE(Oxford) GRAVESTOCK(London/Beds) LIMBERT (Gravesend Kent) THOMAS (London/Ontario) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Morris <mel.morris@cogeco.ca> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [THEATRE-UK] > > Hello Group, > > I am resubscribing after a long gap so I will re post my interests > > I am mainly interested in my Parkinson theatrical family > > My gg gf James Parkinson b.1844 d. 1893 started the ball rolling sort of > (maybe with a push from his sister see below) by changing from a carpet > weaver to a "theatrical Properties Manager" > Born in Dewsbury, he and family (wife Catherine, sons William Bailey and > John were in Greenock Scotland from at least 1881 - 1882. James was the > theatrical property manager of the Theatre Royal Greenock (any info on above > gratefully received) > > In 1882 a third son James Rush Parkinson was born in Greenock. > > After that the trail grows cold until James Parkinson' death in 1893, when > he died in Teignmouth Infirmary - by this time a Theatre Carpenter. > > His son William Bailey my g gf is of the most interest to me. From 1881 to > 1898 I have no information at all. > In 1898 he turns up in Dumfries marrying Lousia/Lily/Lilian Day who claimed > actress on her marraige cert - William was claiming "Stage Carpenter". Their > witnesses were also two theatricals ' a William George Page Theatrical > Property Manager and Ade? Tinsley Actress - all four of these people were > living at 42 English Street Dumfries - Any info on a close by theatre to > this address would be welcome. > > Louisa Day - variously calling herself Lily, Lilian etc, was a native of > Bristol and She and William turn up there for the 1901 Census - In > Cheddar/Axbridge - this I knew before it was confirmed as the 1901 census > was conducted on the night before their first child, Audrey, my grandmother > was born. > > After this it gets very hazy. > > Audrey b. 1901 and her younger sister Rene born 1902 were supposed to be > child actresses/performers. > > William is listed as a Music Hall Artist on birth/marriage certs. > > I have very little concrete information - I have been told that William > "invented something that improved early film screens" > that Audrey and Rene were in many productions including Babes in the Wood > (like that helps!!!) > > I have no further record of WIlliam after the birth of REne in OCtober 1902. > > Lily/Louisa remarries in 1918 stating she is a widow. > > Audrey and Rene continued performing until 1928 when AUdrey got married. > > If anyone has any clues I would appreciate it. I am making a trip to the Uk > this august and I intend spending some time at Colindale going through > copies of the Era again (I have tried doing it from here, but collections > from the Unv of Calgary are not complete) > > There is another family connected with this > James Parkinson had a sister Sarah/Emmie who married a Samuel Clive who was > an actor - probably performing at F.Wybert Clive. > > I have found sporadic info on them - Sarah provided the obit for her brother > James in 1893 (not wife Catherine which I found strange - Catherine was very > much alive in 1901 renting out accommodation - maybe even theatrical rooming > house) > > Samuel and Sarah had a sone called Franklin W. Clive who was an asst > librarian in 1901 but may have been an actor too. I am assuming that it was > Sarah that got james into the theatrical world - but that is just pure > supposition. > > Anyway, a bit involved, but if anyone has any ideas, please let me know > > Thanks > > > >